Ok Cullen....

[Indiana_Jones]

WHERE'S THE BEEF?!

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You jumped up prick.

-Indy

[thealmightytaco]

It's a budget for a stable future. Or some shit.

[yungatart]

You don't know the half of it, Indy. I'm ashamed to admit the git lives in Napier. He is a horrible little man, who exists ONLY because of the party list.

[chanceyy]

can not give us tax breaks after all, the country is in such a bad way :tugger:


like all polititians .. full of shit and empty promises

[terbang]

Oh well I agree he is a prick but at least Auckland will see some road improvement..!:soon:

[Swoop]

but at least Auckland will see some road improvement..!:soon:
This is a Tui advert.

The myopic inbred gerbil must die a horrible death... May the fleas of a thousand camels infest his armpit!!!

[The Pastor]

um

Auckland is ALWAYS having road improvement, you cant solve traffic, but roads are getting work done on them.


you idiots know nothing at all, the economy is somthing very fragile - keeping it stable is by no means any easy task. Grow up and stop following the heard.

Sure tax cuts would be great, so would cutting the benifits to pay for them, NZ has heaps of debt. Who really gives a shit, even if we got some meaninless tax cut, we'd get taxed some other way. You cant win, the only solution is to move to aussie.

[VasalineWarrior]

you idiots know nothing at all, the economy is somthing very fragile - keeping it stable is by no means any easy task. Grow up and stop following the heard.

Sure tax cuts would be great, so would cutting the benifits to pay for them, NZ has heaps of debt. Who really gives a shit, even if we got some meaninless tax cut, we'd get taxed some other way. You cant win, the only solution is to move to aussie.

What are you? His one and only fan club?
Dude, I think we are overtaxed in this country. So do many others. A 9 billion surplus and you cant aford a tax break? Smells like something out of Rotorua to me (no offence to rotovegans).

[scumdog]

Cullen? Last person I knew with that name gave fags a bad name

Auckland roads? You know they are crap, why depend on a budget and then moan the roads are no good??

Gimme rough gravel roads and no uppity city-slickers and I'll be happy!!!

[GR81]

Labour = the ghey!

[Dafe]

um

Auckland is ALWAYS having road improvement, you cant solve traffic, but roads are getting work done on them.


you idiots know nothing at all, the economy is somthing very fragile - keeping it stable is by no means any easy task. Grow up and stop following the heard.



This country NEEDS to get up in arms over the current Government.
Because the Government is driving the country into the ground with it's immigration policies and introduction of multiple benefits.

So we've had a leaked document policy and a Janitor lost his job over it, the Prime Minister saying that what this Janitor did was Grossly Dishonest.
This is the comment from a Prime Minister who conducted fraud whilst in office, signing a painting she did not paint.

The same Prime Minister that drives to Rugby matches at over 180kph.

Why does this government have immunity from such crimes? Why is the government untouchable for it's offences?

I'll give it to you in one word - Communism.

This country needs people to speak out against this government, because this government is pure bullshit.

[idb]

This is the comment from a Prime Minister who conducted fraud whilst in office, signing a painting she did not paint.

The same Prime Minister that drives to Rugby matches at over 180kph.

Why does this government have immunity from such crimes? Why is the government untouchable for it's offences?

Why does everyone get so upset over these?
Every job has it's perks and surely the leader of a country should have the best perks of all.
I sometimes use a bit more toilet paper at work than I really need....it's a little bit of luxury and I consider it a perk.
I'd be pissed off if public pressure on the PM's "crimes" (perks) results in a nationwide crackdown on perks and I have to go back to using three squares instead of a luxurious four!!!
So please, leave Helen alone and let me continue to wipe my arse with a smile and a contented sigh!!!!

[Ixion]

This country NEEDS to get up in arms over the current Government.
,,

I'll give it to you in one word - Communism.

This country needs people to speak out against this government, because this government is pure bullshit.

Hooray. Another comrade. Can you get your hands on guns? Or dynamite? "We'll keep the Red Flag flying here". If I can keep accumulating fellow travellers at this rate, we'll be able to bring forward the revolution.

[scumdog]

Communism, where everybody is equal - but some are more equal than others<_<

[Swoop]

So please, leave Helen alone and let me continue to wipe my arse with a smile and a contented sigh!!!!

What drugs are you on???
I bet the morons in the labour party have spiked your morning coffee with something a bit stronger than equal.....:laugh:

[scumdog]

So please, leave Helen alone and let me continue to wipe my arse with a smile and a contented sigh!!!!

Are smiles and contented sighs more absorbent that bog-paper when it comes to arse-wiping???:confused:

[idb]

What drugs are you on???
I bet the morons in the labour party have spiked your morning coffee with something a bit stronger than equal.....:laugh:
I'm just worried about my bottom Swoop.
No-one else cares.

[Ixion]

Communism, where everybody is equal - but some are more equal than others<_<

Actually. Communism says nothing about anybody being equal. that's democracy. Communism says "You do what y'r fuckin' told. Comrade. And shut up". Which is fine with me, so long as I'm the one doing the telling ! Don't mind everyone being equal either, so long as I'm more equal than the rest of you.

[Lias]

I dont like his politics, and I hate his political party, but Micheal Cullen is actually a realy nice bloke. Got to meet and chat to him about 10 years ago, and hes a nice guy and VERY intelligent.

And if every single budget had tax cuts in it, we'd end up paying no tax, and then our society would goto shit.. Dunno why everyones so uppity, its not like we're any WORSE off than we were before.

[Lou Girardin]

The only 'transformation' resulting from this budget will be a new Govt in 2008.
$76M to tell fat bastards to stop filling their faces has to be a piss-take.
Not to mention tens more millions on yet another treaty settlement.

[Swoop]

Got to meet and chat to him about 10 years ago...
People change............:confused:

[Phurrball]

You don't know the half of it, Indy. I'm ashamed to admit the git lives in Napier. He is a horrible little man, who exists ONLY because of the party list.

Ah, actually no.

Cullen has been around since long before MMP, and previously held one of the safest Labour seats in the country with a large majority - Dunedin South.

If there were no list, Cullen would still be in the house...Brash on the other hand...well he tried his luck back in the day and was denied.

If Cullen were not in the house, it would be far less amusing - love his wit!

I'm kinda like Lias, but the opposite way around (didn't pick myself saying that!). Don't mind Brash personally, but detest his party and his politics...

[GR81]

Every job has it's perks and surely the leader of a country should have the best perks of all.
does that put her above the law tho? i think not!

[oldrider]

They are Socialists, they steal your money so that they can spend it for you on things that "they" want.
Be happy, that is what this country voted for! Perhaps you were one of their supporters. :confused:

[idb]

does that put her above the law tho? i think not!
Surely that's the biggest perk of all.
More power to her - I've still got my extra square so we're both happy.

[Skyryder]

Well Don's made it official. Tax cuts in Australia. I know where I'm better off. So if you don't like the country, government, Cullen, Clarke, MMP, STV or even for that matter HIV.............then fuck off. Then you can tell us how better off you are in OZ.

Now then who's going..................:soon: names please. :stupid:


Skyryder

[MSTRS]

If there were no list, Cullen would still be in the house...
Oh no he wouldn't. He is detested here. The prick went to a school fundraising gala where Yungatart was working the sausage sizzle - he ordered one and did not want to pay for it "Because you know who I am, don't you?". That is not the action of an intelligent, responsible adult. He did not get his sausage for free cos Yungatart was not scared of him. Fuckn tosser.

[The Pastor]

What are you? His one and only fan club?
Dude, I think we are overtaxed in this country. So do many others. A 9 billion surplus and you cant aford a tax break? Smells like something out of Rotorua to me (no offence to rotovegans).

Hey genius,
Yes we are overtaxed, If you add it all up, the minium wage earner has to pay around 40-50% tax and that rate only goes up the more you earn. But you have to ask "why are we over taxed?" Becasue we are over benifitted with benifits that encourage not getting off the government free ride. Im all for less benifits and less tax. You cannot have the ammount of benifits that new zealand has AND have tax cuts too.


$9 billion surplus? YEAH RIGHT! Do you know how much NZ owes to other countrys? That 9 billion is just the ammount of money they didnt spend last year. It IS NOT 9 BILLION THEY HAVE SITTING IN THERE BACK POCKETS.

Like I said, Grow up.

I have many extreem views on solving tax cuts, magua will agree with me that my ideas are over the top but heres one just for you.

TAX/ PRISON OVERCROWDING SOULTIONS PART ONE

The current problem
We are paying to much tax to fix roads and prisons are over crowed and prisons/sentances are too soft

The soultion
Chain Gangs
If you take the ammount of prisoners in jail today and formed a chain gang that would build motorways/ roads. You could dubble the ammount of people you can fit in one prison. How? well you would have 2 teams working 12 hr shifts, when one team is finished there shift they would go back to jail and be replaced by the other team. One team would be in jail while the others work, rotating it around every 12 hrs would mean dubble the ammount of inmates a prison can hold.

Now to make the prisoner work you need officers with guns, lots of guns, everyday they would excute one person just to show them who is boss. The least productve inmate would be gone each day untill they learn to get to work. In the same way you would stop any inmates running away.

But if the inmates are doing all the construction work, our massive roadworks industry will be gone! - who do you think will be holding the guns? They will still have to be there to make sure the work the inmate does is up to spec, but the projects will take a lot less time with the extra ammmount of workers that they get. Which means if they dont have to pay workers the cost of the project will come down, while the time taken to complete the project reduces there fore REDUCING TAX.

But if you do all that the number of prisoners will drop as you will be shooting to many of them.
True, For this plan to be fully working as effiecntly as possable you would need to have tougher sentances, for example, say you get caught stealing instantly you get a 2 week streetch on the chain gang, when you have completed your time would you go an steal again? Unlikely. If more people were put onto a plan like this they would not commit the crime and as the government pays for crime stopping / court TAX WOULD BE REDUCIED.
With a system like this sentances will be shorter as the experiance is hardkore (yes with a K) meaning more reformed prisoners and a better soicity. Inmates will also gain a life skill to get them off the dole.

There is much much more ideas that I have, and they will never ever become anything more than pipe dreams, but Oh what dreams - imgaine never having to lock up your house/car/bike....

[paturoa]

I have a vauge recollection about something Labour said in their first term about no new taxes.

Anyone remember what the process was when the first anti-smoking leglisation was introduced. I don't remember the actual sequence but went something like. Resturants set aside non-smoking area, then the next step was work places, then the next step was all resturants, then the next step was pubs and RSAs, and now the debate is public places.

hmmmmm....

Anyone notice a NEW capital gains tax???

[The Pastor]

There will ALWAYS be new taxes - there like clamidia keeps coming back :(

[MSTRS]

There will ALWAYS be new taxes - there like clamidia keeps coming back :(
The right analogy would be that if taxes were an STD (sorry STI) then clymidia gets added to herpes gets added to genital warts gets added to syphillis....see where this is going?
Wouldn't be so bad if I could get treatment on the NHS for the AIDS they left me with in the '80s.

[SPman]

Geez - what a pack of fuckin winjas........

[oldrider]

And if every single budget had tax cuts in it, we'd end up paying no tax, (Whats wrong with that?)

and then our society would goto shit.. (Why?)

Dunno why everyones so uppity, its not like we're any WORSE off than we were before. (Speak for your self, I am worse off)

I want to invest my own money where I want to invest it, for my benefit!

I don't want them (the Govt) stealing my money to invest it for some one else's benefit, Just so that they will vote them back into power!

I don't want them (the Govt) stealing/devaluing my share investments/savings, just so that they (the govt) can run down Telecom to a state where they can Nationalise it again just to suit their ideological beliefs.

Yes I am a lot worse off under this Labour Government than I was before they came to power and every way I turn they carve more and more tax out of our savings/investments.

We are now getting too old to fight back, can't get a job now, can't get a loan to start a business everything we own is depreciating, can't afford to replace it, cost of living escalating.

Sure they give me a pension but that is a pittance compared to what they take away to give to some one else who doesn't do anything to help them selves.

Our house has increased in value but we have to live there until we die then I hope at least the family might get something back, if they are lucky!

What do you mean we are no worse off? (50% more tax) I am not a National supporter but they were the better offer of the "two" at the election. (IMHO) John.

[Finn]

I want to invest my own money where I want to invest it, for my benefit!

I don't want them (the Govt) stealing my money to invest it for some one else's benefit, Just so that they will vote them back into power!

I don't want them (the Govt) stealing/devaluing my share investments/savings, just so that they (the govt) can run down Telecom to a state where they can Nationalise it again just to suit their ideological beliefs.

Yes I am a lot worse off under this Labour Government than I was before they came to power and every way I turn they carve more and more tax out of our savings/investments.

We are now getting too old to fight back, can't get a job now, can't get a loan to start a business everything we own is depreciating, can't afford to replace it, cost of living escalating.

Sure they give me a pension but that is a pittance compared to what they take away to give to some one else who doesn't do anything to help them selves.

Our house has increased in value but we have to live there until we die then I hope at least the family might get something back, if they are lucky!

What do you mean we are no worse off? (50% more tax) I am not a National supporter but they were the better offer of the "two" at the election. (IMHO) John.

This is the begining of a long friendship.

It's a pity that more people don't sit down and work it out like you did. Unfortunately, most of the people that support labour don't have anything to loose. It's rich people like yourself that should be penalised. You're a capitlist pig for being able to own a house in the first place. This country disgusts me.

[Jamezo]

I don't want them (the Govt) stealing/devaluing my share investments/savings, just so that they (the govt) can run down Telecom to a state where they can Nationalise it again just to suit their ideological beliefs.

Ah....

The way I look at it, Telecom operating an effective monopoly only benefits one group: Telecom shareholders. I am not one of them. Are Telecom not effectively 'taxing' the entire country by being allowed to operate the largest racket in the country?

The Government owes its allegience not to the NZSX, but to the people. It would be imprudent not to exercise its power to the benefit of the bulk of the people (the exact nature of which would be a whole new thread).

I'm sorry if you've just seen some of your capital wiped out, but that's what you get for throwing your chips in with the capitalists, especially in such an industry so dependent on Government regulation.

Ideology doesn't come into it. I say congratulations to Labour for showing some balls in a rare event, and throwing its weight around to achieve something worthwhile. Though I may add I am wholeheartedly in favour of absolute nationalisation for such critical industries as telecommunications. Then we might be able to take advantage of such unspeakable activities as 'centralised planning'!??!?!!

[Winston001]

Ah....

The way I look at it, Telecom operating an effective monopoly only benefits one group: Telecom shareholders. I am not one of them. Are Telecom not effectively 'taxing' the entire country by being allowed to operate the largest racket in the country?

I'm sorry if you've just seen some of your capital wiped out, but that's what you get for throwing your chips in with the capitalists, especially in such an industry so dependent on Government regulation.


Of course another view is that the rule of law has been subverted by the Executive (Cabinet).

In 1988 approx we sold Telecom. Lets ignore the arguments about price etc. In the long term this NZ company is now owned substantially by Kiwi shareholders - Mum and Dad. What Telecom owns is private property, held for the benefit of its shareholders.

The concept of private property is sacroscant in Western democracies. If a government wants the property - it buys it. Plain and simple.

But not this time. Our sheltered academic leaders have with the stroke of a pen taken private property. Using regulations to impose unbundling is nothing less than theft.

If Labour were honest about it, they'd compulsorily buy Telecom's lines. As it is, Mr Mugabe would feel perfectly at home here now.

[Indiana_Jones]

Dear God what have I started?

-Indy

[Jamezo]

The concept of private property is sacroscant in Western democracies. If a government wants the property - it buys it. Plain and simple.

But not this time. Our sheltered academic leaders have with the stroke of a pen taken private property. Using regulations to impose unbundling is nothing less than theft.

If Labour were honest about it, they'd compulsorily buy Telecom's lines. As it is, Mr Mugabe would feel perfectly at home here now.

Close. Our concept of private property is sacrosanct to heavily capitalist countries.

Private property is all fine up to a point. When the exclusive ownership of something as important as the case here conflicts with the interests of the people, the Government should be obligated to act.

I'm not going to necessarily ignore the issue of price. Why should we pay the full market price to buy back an asset sold under its worth? Consider it a reversal of the bone we chucked to the capitalists.

If you really cannot make the distinction between the private PRIVATE property seized by the Mugabe regime, and intervention in a critical piece of national infrastructure, then you're more heavily indoctrinated than I gave you credit for. Top drawer.

[Ixion]

Of course another view is that the rule of law has been subverted by the Executive (Cabinet).

In 1988 approx we sold Telecom. Lets ignore the arguments about price etc. In the long term this NZ company is now owned substantially by Kiwi shareholders - Mum and Dad. What Telecom owns is private property, held for the benefit of its shareholders.

The concept of private property is sacroscant in Western democracies. If a government wants the property - it buys it. Plain and simple.

But not this time. Our sheltered academic leaders have with the stroke of a pen taken private property. Using regulations to impose unbundling is nothing less than theft.

If Labour were honest about it, they'd compulsorily buy Telecom's lines. As it is, Mr Mugabe would feel perfectly at home here now.

You are wrong on many counts. Telecom is not owned by "mum and dad" It is owned by overseas capitalists.

And the government has not takne anything - property private or otherwise. It has simply demanded that a corporation (which exists, let us remember, for ONE reason only - to make as much profit as possible for its overseas owners) allow other corporations to offer us a competative service. Those other corporations will have to pay Telecom for access to those lines.

And very little "private property" is "sacrosanct". And it is certainly nonsense to claim that private property is sacrosanct in any "western democracy" - whatever that is. Real estate is not. Nobody in this country can have absolute ownership of land - it is held by fee simple, and can always be reclaimed by the Crown. Which is done quite often when it is required for motorways, power pylons etc.

Your private property , your bike, may be seized and sold if you act in a way that is against the public interest - by riding when drunk.

In this case the government has acted very properly, by taking steps to see that the public interest is respected, since it had become plain that Telecom wa not going to do so voluntarily. That is why we HAVE a government to protect the public from the rapacity of capitalist exploitation.

Myself, of course, I want the government to nationalise Telecom (and Vodfone and Telstra) lock stock and barrel. Without compensation. As a start.

[scumdog]

And the government has not takne anything - property private or otherwise. It has simply demanded that a corporation (which exists, let us remember, for ONE reason only - to make as much profit as possible for its overseas owners) allow other corporations to offer us a competative service. Those other corporations will have to pay Telecom for access to those lines.


Your private property , your bike, may be seized and sold if you act in a way that is against the public interest - by riding when drunk.

Iart.

Re the first statement: The Govt sold it (after getting taxpayers to pay for a lot of upgraded technology to be installed to make it seem more attractive to the potential buyer) as it was "costing the taxpayers too much money to run, a private company should be able to run it more profitably, besides we are here to run the country - not business"

So they achieved that aim - NOW they claim it is making too much money and has a monopoly - WTF it had a monopoly when it was Govt run!!! and SHOULD have been able to make a profit too.

And if the Govt has such a cavalier attitude to private property then it is no wonder we have so many leeches holding thier hand out - no incentive to own anything/do anything to better yourself.

BTW I bought a car while overseas - and the Govt stings me with the GST on that transaction:angry2: - they sure as hell have a long pair of claws!!:buggerd:

[Phurrball]

Oh no he wouldn't. He is detested here. (snip).

Don't know the situation re the sausage, but living where he is now is by choice and convenience (workload) I'm sure. I'm sure if there was no MMP Cullen would still be the member for Dunedin South with a huge majority. Putting someone like Cullen on the list is pragmatic - exactly why Don Brash is list only too. It's not like Cullen is the only one in that situation. They all do it. It's smart political strategy.


(snip) This country disgusts me.

Nyeh! You know where the border is if you don't like it. This place is still paradise regardless of the colour of gubbermint.

[MSTRS]

So what you are saying is that the slimiest pollies that the public would vote OUT in an instant are the ones put on the party list(s) ??:nya: :blip:

[Finn]

Nyeh! You know where the border is if you don't like it. This place is still paradise regardless of the colour of gubbermint.

I'm sorry, but that fact that you live in Langholm and walk around your house naked means I can't take you seriously. Ahhh yes, the border... Currently this is in Somalia somewhere.

Look hippy, I know NZ is a paradise. That's why I'm concerned for it's future. Like I've said before, I'll leave once I've finished milking this place.

[mstriumph]

It's a budget for a stable future. Or some shit

there's usually a lot of shit found in stables ? :shutup:

[Pixie]

I dont like his politics, and I hate his political party, but Micheal Cullen is actually a realy nice bloke. Got to meet and chat to him about 10 years ago, and hes a nice guy and VERY intelligent.

And if every single budget had tax cuts in it, we'd end up paying no tax, and then our society would goto shit.. Dunno why everyones so uppity, its not like we're any WORSE off than we were before.
He's a smug,smart alec,cunt

[Phurrball]

I'm sorry, but that fact that you live in Langholm and walk around your house naked means I can't take you seriously. Ahhh yes, the border... Currently this is in Somalia somewhere.

Look hippy, I know NZ is a paradise. That's why I'm concerned for it's future. Like I've said before, I'll leave once I've finished milking this place.

Scared I might have something worthwhile to say Finn?? Nice to have an automatic exclusion to ignore those who ya don't agree with eh? :shutup:

As for bashing hippies?! Have you been talking to Lias again? As for Laingholm...you're just jealous you can't walk round naked in the trees :motu: ('Tis a bit drafty on the bike but...)

I spend heaps of time in Central Auckland too...which is a pity...the trees and locals are nicer in Laingholm (and the twisty roads are pretty fine too!)

And MSTRS...why do you think Brash is on the list eh?

[Deano]

you idiots know nothing at all, . Grow up and stop following the heard.





You cant win, the only solution is to move to aussie.

The heard (sp) is moving to Aussie, so which is it ?

Who's the idiot ?

[idb]

there's usually a lot of shit found in stables ? :shutup:
Crikey MT - that's struggling for a pun

[The Pastor]

The heard (sp) is moving to Aussie, so which is it ?

Who's the idiot ?


You are mistook, I told YOU to move to aussie.


Idiot.

[Deano]

You are mistook, I told YOU to move to aussie.


Idiot.

:laugh: :zzzz:

Your ugly and you mother dresses you funny.

[cowpoos]

:laugh: :zzzz:

Your ugly and you mother dresses you funny.
don't forget he's from auckland too....so he can't ride either!