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Indoo

21st May 2006, 10:51

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3675226a10,00.html

Just wondering if theres any resident experts that can explain a condition that appears to make drivers run from the scenes of crashes and hide from the Police in bushes. Especially given that he didn't need any medical attention and didn't even see a doctor till the day after.

I would have thought it was because he was pissed worthless loser whose only thought was to save his own arse.

He crashed into a young family, putting a woman in hospital fighting for her life. If she does survive she will be left seriously brain damaged. Her husband and young daughter are sitting by her bedside going through god knows what. Meanwhile this pathetic peice of trash has already returned to work, hired a top lawyer and is trying to shake off any responsiblity for the lives he has destroyed.

The victims side.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10382795

Edbear

21st May 2006, 11:09

Hope they throw the book at him!:angry:

Big Dave

21st May 2006, 11:16

I think you only need to read the 'hiding in bushes' part to make a character judgement on one who formerly put himself forward as honorable enough to enforce the laws.
Hope the jury finds likewise.

crashe

21st May 2006, 11:41

If he gets done like a dogs dinner in court and sent down...
He will then say he should not have been charge throu the courts.. that he should be dealt with by his own people...
Well thats what Donna Huata reckons... so why not this guy as well.

Personally he has no excuse for running and leaving the scene of the accident... He has been trained in the past as a police officer.... surely all that training means that you help at accidents no matter what...

I say throw the book at him....

But we must wait to see what evidence the court is told and what the judge decides should happen to him.

I know of a accident where the driver crossed the line.... saying he fell asleep at the wheel.
The people in the other vehicle, there injuries were:
Driver - Both legs smashed up - still recovering
Front passenger - Lost a leg and other leg smashed up - have to use a wheelchair for most occassions for the rest of her life.
Passenger back of the van lying down at the time of the hit - Operation to her spleen and still having inside problems.
Passenger sitting up back of van - cuts and bruises.

Verdict from the courts - slap on the wrist, small fine and short term loss of license.

This happened over a year ago. The driver admitted it at first and then got a lawyer and changed his mind. He sells cars and needs his license to drive.
The victims lives will never be the same again.... yet they got nothing but a few dollars for damages.... wopeee shit.

I believe it is time the judges gave out harsher penalties....

onearmedbandit

21st May 2006, 11:47

They should make him wait by the womans side, help understand the grief, pain, misery, suffering he has inflicted upon an innocent family. (this takes into account that he is actually guilty of serious driving charges). Then throw the book at the fucker.

RT527

21st May 2006, 11:53

I wasnt home from work in time to be on the call out for this incident, also B4 i go further, I am only speculating and it is only an opinion of what I`ve experianced as this case is b4 the courts .
But I hope the bastard is found guilty, To say he thought that the tempory lane was a passing lane is utter bollocks, I travel that road daily and even b4 they put the cones out to make single lanes and dropped the speed to 50, it was painfully obvious that it was just like any other 2 lane highway in our country.
hehe also the road would have had good visibility as the moon was rather full cause when I turned off at the bombays(even though it was closed.....just showed them id and they let me through)I then went the Kaiaua/Miranda Rd and i had excellant visibility and an excellant ride as all the other traffic was being diverted through Te Kauwhata
so the roads were virtually empty.......o and did I say that all the cops in the area were at the accident, lol didnt make a diff to me ....I`m a nana and dont go over the limit unless I`m passing.
Anyways this guy needs to have a judge appoint personal responsibility on this guy, he chose to drive drunk ...he chose to pull out and pass.....he chose to run from the scene....injury or not....thought the police were trained officers who were chosen cause they didnt freak out in tough times?.
So why cant the justice system treat these guys like the Idiots they are and charge them with attempted murder or murder....what they are saying is if you go and shoot someone with a gun it can t be murder cause you were drunk, so it can only be manslaughter, huh go figure , a 4 wd Beemer is a pretty big weapon.
thing is he will prolly drink and drive again so wont have learnt anything by all this.
He is a coward hiding behind excuses ........ He will get his day .

Edbear

21st May 2006, 12:02

So why cant the justice system treat these guys like the Idiots they are and charge them with attempted murder or murder....what they are saying is if you go and shoot someone with a gun it can t be murder cause you were drunk, so it can only be manslaughter, huh go figure , a 4 wd Beemer is a pretty big weapon.
thing is he will prolly drink and drive again so wont have learnt anything by all this.
He is a coward hiding behind excuses ........ He will get his day .

You make a good point, one that has been floated before and should be highlighted! HE CHOSE TO DRIVE AFTER DRINKING, KNOWING WHAT IT MEANS! At the very least, drunk driving should be a mandatory manslaughter charge in the case of an accident causing death or a charge similar to attempted manslaughter in this case. Driving with reckless disregard for the lives and welfare of others is inexcuseable, (drunk or not), IMO!

Switch

21st May 2006, 12:30

I hope he gets done :nono: I hope she gets better, sad story :weep:

onearmedbandit

21st May 2006, 12:35

You choose to drive a vehicle intoxicated on the road, you didn't just 'find' yourself behind the wheel. I say that is premeditated (sp?) so charge them with murder. Driving sober, reach down to adjust your floormat and have a crash causing death, manslaughter is okay for that. But choosing to get behind the wheel when drunk, you made your bed now lie in it fucker.

marty

21st May 2006, 13:51

I know of a accident where the driver crossed the line.... saying he fell asleep at the wheel.
The people in the other vehicle, there injuries were:
Driver - Both legs smashed up - still recovering
Front passenger - Lost a leg and other leg smashed up - have to use a wheelchair for most occassions for the rest of her life.
Passenger back of the van lying down at the time of the hit - Operation to her spleen and still having inside problems.
Passenger sitting up back of van - cuts and bruises.

Verdict from the courts - slap on the wrist, small fine and short term loss of license.

This happened over a year ago. The driver admitted it at first and then got a lawyer and changed his mind. He sells cars and needs his license to drive.
The victims lives will never be the same again.... yet they got nothing but a few dollars for damages.... wopeee shit.

I believe it is time the judges gave out harsher penalties....

similar thing happened in cambridge on either xmas eve or boxing day a few years ago, driver has no recollection of how it happened, killed 3 or 4 of her friends in the car. found guilty, appealed, got off scot free. sure she has to live with it blah blah blah, but no consequence?

metric

21st May 2006, 15:44

running away & hiding like a coward...

pathetic.

poor woman - that's her life (& family's lives) potentially written off

fkn jerk.

Mrs Busa Pete

21st May 2006, 16:03

Not much more i can add to what others have said.Just one thing if he is an ex cop he will have freinds:devil2: inside so with a bit of luck he will get his.:kick:

Skyryder

21st May 2006, 20:33

Just wondering if theres any resident experts that can explain a condition that appears to make drivers run from the scenes of crashes and hide from the Police in bushes. ]

The condition is known by the yellow streak that is associated with the spine.

It afflicts those with low moral courage and high intellectual capacity to blame others to justify their actions. Some allude to perpetual denial that they are at fault while others are known profess their profound sorrow only at a time when it suites them i.e. usually just prior to sentening in the hope that their self centered remorse will assist in a reduced punishment.

Skyryder

kevie

21st May 2006, 22:44

I agree about the law needing to toughen up .... said it to my MP and others for ages.

I recon drunk driving should be attempted manslaughter or manslaughter... they KNOW the risks in driving drunk.
If I get a gun and aim it at someones head in jest and it happens to be loaded its manslaughter........ driving drunk is no different.

I told MP NZ need to change the legal system, bring in MINIMUM sentances not the recomended/maximums like they have. A magistrate can then extend the sentance but not reduce it ... and for serious offences and second/repeat offenders....NO PAROLE !!

And make prisons less atractive, no flash meals, no grievance claims, no Celphones, computers, privelages.

After all ... these people have violated peoples rights and they insist on retaining theirs ..... they should only have the 'right to the basics of life' eg ... sustaining (not flash) meals, medical treatment if appropriate, clothing and warmth.
Make them work in there too, no work no meal..... bet the crime rate would drop if that all happened.

Ixion

21st May 2006, 23:19

Should we extend the same tough treatment to other road crimes, when death results ? Speeding? dangerous driving? If someone dies in an accident and one party was exceeding the speed limit, should they too face manslaughter charges (murder is legally impossible). If not, why not? (Other than the "I do one of those, but not the other" argument) . Not taking a position either way, just seeing if people are willing to take their arguments to their logical conclusion.

Lias

22nd May 2006, 10:22

Given that his photos been published, and everyone and his dog know hes an ex copper, I 'd say hes going to have a fun time in the cells.

spudchucka

22nd May 2006, 13:45

What a dickhead!

Indoo

22nd May 2006, 14:08

Given that his photos been published, and everyone and his dog know hes an ex copper, I 'd say hes going to have a fun time in the cells.

That is assumming he does end up in the cells. Being rich and able to afford a top lawyer and all the associated 'experts' makes a difference.

Really he should get a minimum of 5 years and a disqualification period of at least 10 given that he has effectively killed another person. And had the victim and family not been in an SUV you can guarantee that he would have killed three people.

In N.Z the lives of victims are cheap and the lives of criminals are held dear. He might not even go inside, with a bit of community service, donation to his victim and a period of disqualification 'justice' will be served. Meanwhile the victims life if she does survive will be destroyed, as will her husbands and daughter who will have to spend the rest of theres caring for her.

The person whose actions directly caused it will go on living his as per normal, he feels no remorse, no guilt and accepts no responsibility for what he did. It was the fault of the poorly laid out roadworks why he overtook into oncoming traffic, a medical condition was responsible for why he ran from the scene and no doubt an error in police breath testing procedure why he blew over the limit. He appears to be completely ammoral and utterly criminal.

I hope justice is done for the husbands sake but I know it won't be and thats the tragedy.

Lou Girardin

23rd May 2006, 12:51

scumdog

23rd May 2006, 13:09

Should be done like a dinner - why was HIS time so imprtant that he had to drive like that? To get to the next wine-bar before it closed? .

Anybody who has had to follow-up the victims of a crash like that knows the torment they go through - and through no fault of their own.

It's not the dead that are the concern (no disrespect meant) but those who suffer permanent disability, pain and lack of employment from the actions of another idiot driver for month after month, year after year - arghhh!:mad: :angry2:

madboy

23rd May 2006, 13:34

We are all free here to exhibit whatever opinions we may have about the rights or wrongs of this situation, and the personalities of those involved. But we must also remember some of the facts. These facts are that you have an accused who is possibly "connected", who clearly has money and who has an understanding of the justice system. In court it's not about what's right or wrong. It's not about facts. It's not about morals. It's about evidence. And evidence has a price.

While we judge this guy for playing the justice system to his advantage, remember that we all play the "system" to our advantage too. I would hope we don't play it for quite the same reasons this chap is, but we still play it.

Now on a final note - karma.

Skyryder

25th May 2006, 19:23

While we judge this guy for playing the justice system to his advantage, remember that we all play the "system" to our advantage too. I would hope we don't play it for quite the same reasons this chap is, but we still play it.

Now on a final note - karma.

This guy didn't want to play, he was hideing. Big big difference.

Skyryder

terbang

25th May 2006, 21:39

This guy is a piece of Shit but he will probably get off like Rickard and co did and there will probably be a whole bunch of supressed evidence ETC.

The Pastor

25th May 2006, 22:46

He's just another fine example of our quaility police force...

scumdog

25th May 2006, 23:25

He's just another fine example of our quaility police force...

This is a troll right?

Or did this dude crash while he was a cop and the crash was never noticed until he was a property developer?

Or are you just thick and can't read properly???

Kickaha

26th May 2006, 06:57

This is a troll right?

Or did this dude crash while he was a cop and the crash was never noticed until he was a property developer?

Or are you just thick and can't read properly???

I pick the second option

now what kind of prize did I win? :yes:

Lou Girardin

26th May 2006, 09:55

This is a troll right?

Or did this dude crash while he was a cop and the crash was never noticed until he was a property developer?

Or are you just thick and can't read properly???

Don't they say, once a cop, always a cop?

spudchucka

26th May 2006, 10:21

Don't they say, once a cop, always a cop?
Once a snake always a snake?

And who the hell are "they" anyway?

thehollowmen

26th May 2006, 10:27

Edbear

26th May 2006, 10:38

And who the hell are "they" anyway?

"They" are everywhere! Always nameless, faceless but always with great words of wisdom...:yes:
As for this particular - (insert own description), he'd be the same type cop or not.

spudchucka

26th May 2006, 11:27

he'd be the same type cop or not.
Exactly. Lets be thankfull that he isn't a cop now.

Lou Girardin

26th May 2006, 15:53

Once a snake always a snake?

And who the hell are "they" anyway?

You know who "they" are. "They" used to supply info that we get off the interweb now.

Timber020

26th May 2006, 23:53

Good call on the property developer, I have yet to meet one of the greedy softcocks that has much in the way of morals or clue. (and i work with them and against them alot)

Its a shame, as I know the guys family and was good mates with one of his brothers. He came from a really good family, his old man was a hard working farmer. I guess it was the property developer in him that made him want to hide from his responsibilitys and hope that the mess he made would blow over.

Skyryder

27th May 2006, 09:02

He came from a really good family, his old man was a hard working farmer.

Now we wait for excuses how his actions were so out of characeter, he's pillar of the community, etc and all the other crap his lawyer can spiel to the Judge.

Skyryder

"D" FZ1

27th May 2006, 09:34

Hope they nail the prick :nono:

RT527

27th May 2006, 10:12

Fight / flight response.

I got rammed yesterday, road rage. I was sure I took down the number plate correctly as he was caged in at the lights but when I went to the cop station I didn't have it right. The hormones that run through your body at this time do strange things to you.

They shouldn't run but they do. And if you talk to an ambo you also hear "fight" stories where they pull someone from a car with broken limbs and they're swinging punches...

I don't condone it, but near all phsyc and physiology textbooks outline this response in people in great detail.

M8 In nearly all the Car crashes I`ve been to, the so called Fight/Flight ones you are talking about, 99% of them have had extremely serious head injurys, are very ill and don`t know whats going on around them......yes it can cause them to flee, but they usually dont go far b4 the human body cant cope any more, this guy wouldnt have lasted the night had he had such a brain injury (apart from being a dickhead)at best he wouldnt have gone to the doctor the next day and then gone home, the doctor would have immediatly admitted him to hospital.
He knew what he was doing IMO he was shit scared of losing his so called right to drive, he knows how the system works so hes going to do everything he can to say it wasnt his fault, all hes doing is distracting the facts by saying poor me i was injured.
I am positive that this guy Does not represent the normal everyday Cop who is out there any one saying so should actually get off their fat arses and go and be a cop themselves then we see what shoe fits where eh!.
I take my hat off to the working cops in nz who do it despite the pay and conditions( hope all this gets me off a ticket or two.....nope ah well worth a try hehe).
Again this is still to go to court so anything said is personal opinnion only and may not have happened.
Drive/Ride safe be safe.