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gt244
21st May 2006, 14:21
Hi guys
I need to buy some protective gear for when i start road riding. Which is better protection wise out of leather w/body armour and the kind of rain-jacket padded material (sorry dont know its proper name) with body armour? (some have kevlar).
Ive always though leather looks better LOL but would rather have something which would cushion my fall so speak because i know i will come off the bike on the road at some stage :o
Any advice would be appreciated :D

sAsLEX
21st May 2006, 14:50
Cordura is the man made stuff, alright for one crash then needs replacing

But nothing beats leathers, for ultimate protection, not waterproof so buy a waterproof suit to go over!

Patch
21st May 2006, 15:27
I've always worn leathers, always will. I've had conversations with others that the cordura is more convenient, cheaper, has armour plating etc etc.

My question is: Why isn't it used for racing on a regular basis??

Be prepared to spend good money on quality gear.
e.g. one piece leather suit $1000-
helmet from $500- up
waterproof boots $500
summer gloves $100
waterproof gloves $200
waterproof suit $150 (worn over leathers)


In 12years its only my second suit. Would highly recommend a one-piece, because two-piece or jackets tend to ride up while slidding down the road at speed. Can be rather painful and recovery time is alot longer, so is worth the extra hassle.

Spend the money, cause once you fall off its soooooooo too late to wish you had. Unfortunately, its not if, its more when.

Motu
21st May 2006, 15:29
If you want to blat around at high speed on a sports bike and pose at the cafe - go for leather (colour coded to the bike of course)

If you want to put in lots of km in all conditions go for a cordura set up.

If you want to adventure ride go for cordura.

ZeroIndex
21st May 2006, 16:20
I've always worn leathers, always will. I've had conversations with others that the cordura is more convenient, cheaper, has armour plating etc etc.

My question is: Why isn't it used for racing on a regular basis??

Be prepared to spend good money on quality gear.
e.g. one piece leather suit $1000-
helmet from $500- up
waterproof boots $500
summer gloves $100
waterproof gloves $200
waterproof suit $150 (worn over leathers)


In 12years its only my second suit. Would highly recommend a one-piece, because two-piece or jackets tend to ride up while slidding down the road at speed. Can be rather painful and recovery time is alot longer, so is worth the extra hassle.

Spend the money, cause once you fall off its soooooooo too late to wish you had. Unfortunately, its not if, its more when.
Ok, even though I'm only getting a jacket and pants 2 bins (week 1 & 3), 2.5 months and 4000km later, I don't think spending $500+ on a helmet is necessary.. I got a HJC CS-10 gloss black helmet for $120, and that is fine.. Gloves $100? go buy from QuasiEvil.. Waterproof boots $500? I got some really nice boots from LifeStyleImports, and waterproofed them myself.. $170 (including the can of waterproofing stuff..)

..meh..

ZeroIndex
21st May 2006, 16:23
in my own opinion, buy what you can afford, and for the conditions you will be riding in.. When I first started, all I wanted was a 2-piece leather suite, now that I work at dx-mail, riding in really crap weather a lot of the time (and still with 'not proper gear', I'm gonna be getting me a 2-piece cordura suite on Thursday, and then when I have more money, I'll get an average 1-piece leather suit for group rides, etc..

Patch
21st May 2006, 17:05
Ok, even though I'm only getting a jacket and pants 2 bins (week 1 & 3), 2.5 months and 4000km later, I don't think spending $500+ on a helmet is necessary.. I got a HJC CS-10 gloss black helmet for $120, and that is fine.. Gloves $100? go buy from QuasiEvil.. Waterproof boots $500? I got some really nice boots from LifeStyleImports, and waterproofed them myself.. $170 (including the can of waterproofing stuff..)

..meh..


Once you've slid down the road a couple of times, be interesting to see if ya still gonna buy cheap gear.

There is no substitute for good quality gear.

Crasherfromwayback
21st May 2006, 17:19
You asked about the best for crash protection.....
Leather, end of story.
How many cows have you seen with gravel rash?

ZeroIndex
21st May 2006, 17:21
Once you've slid down the road a couple of times, be interesting to see if ya still gonna buy cheap gear.

There is no substitute for good quality gear.
dude.. I have [re: your post] "slid down the road a couple of times" ..and that was over 2 months ago.. I now have money to buy gear, but I'm gonna start off with some nice cheap cordura, cause that is what I can afford, and it will fill my gear needs..

Mr Skid
21st May 2006, 18:23
Appropriate gear depends on how good a rider you are.
If you're shit then wear leather. If you're good, jandals will suffice.

Ixion
21st May 2006, 18:26
...because i know i will come off the bike on the road at some stage :o
....

Why?



,,,Once you've slid down the road a couple of times, be interesting to see if ya still gonna buy cheap gear.


Maybe he doesn't intend to slide down the road. It's not mandatory you know?



Ok, even though I'm only getting a jacket and pants 2 bins (week 1 & 3), 2.5 months and 4000km later, I don't think spending $500+ on a helmet is necessary.. I got a HJC CS-10 gloss black helmet for $120, and that is fine.. Gloves $100? go buy from QuasiEvil.. Waterproof boots $500? I got some really nice boots from LifeStyleImports, and waterproofed them myself.. $170 (including the can of waterproofing stuff..)



Very sensible. some of the figures quoted for magic gear are absurd. Noone would ever take up motorcycling if such expenditures were indeed necessary. If you intend to treat the road as a road not a racetrack, there is no need for such extravagance. Keep it for the race track.




How many cows have you seen with gravel rash


Not many. But then, I've not seen many cows riding motorbikes, either.

SwanTiger
21st May 2006, 18:40
because i know i will come off the bike on the road at some stage

If you believe that your riding ability is that inadequate that you are inevitably going to crash then it is my opinion you should NOT ride a motorcycle.

Alternatively, book yourself in for riding courses.

SlowHand
21st May 2006, 18:43
Appropriate gear depends on how good a rider you are.
If you're shit then wear leather. If you're good, jandals will suffice.

i tried the jandals only today, sheesh, talk about shrinkage...
what do you wear?

Mr Skid
21st May 2006, 18:45
i tried the jandals only today, sheesh, talk about shrinkage...
what do you wear?I wear full leathers in my Honda Jazz, since the door fell off.
Fuking Honda build quality my arse.

gt244
21st May 2006, 19:48
Got a bike a couple of days ago, just learning to ride it now (on grass atm) though ive been told i should try to learn on the road seeing as thats where ill be riding it.
I'd be a real dumba** (and a heck of an optimist) to think that i wasnt going to come off my bike at some stage, i dont WANT to come off but even if im 100% vigilent and cautious i cant control the other road users who might not be so careful.
As they say, practice makes perfect and ill be sure to do alot of that before i go out for a serious ride!

Jantar
21st May 2006, 20:29
Cordura is the man made stuff, alright for one crash then needs replacing

But nothing beats leathers, for ultimate protection, not waterproof so buy a waterproof suit to go over!

Leather can be made water proof when traeted with Bees wax. It will keep you dry for up to 3 hours in West Coast rain. But leather does absorb water, and to keep it water proof it must be dried slowly and re-waxed regularly.


Be prepared to spend good money on quality gear.
e.g. one piece leather suit $1000-
helmet from $500- up
waterproof boots $500
summer gloves $100
waterproof gloves $200
waterproof suit $150 (worn over leathers)
!

You can get good quality gear for much less than this.

Two piece leather suit $459. From Leather Image
helmet from $130- up
waterproof boots $220 up
summer gloves $49
waterproof gloves $99
waterproof suit $19.90 (worn over leathers) at The Warehouse.

Leather is the best choice by far, but you must be prepared to maintain it. (ie clean and wax often). Cordura, if you just want to wear and forget.

Edbear
21st May 2006, 20:36
Not many. But then, I've not seen many cows riding motorbikes, either.



Bling! I found some good deals going on full sets of gear advertised in the bike mags, like KR and BRM. Got artificial material myself with soft armour in the usual places. I think leather would only make me look fat...:shutup:

Jantar
21st May 2006, 21:43
. I think leather would only make me look fat...:shutup:
I don't need leather to achieve that effect.:nya:

MattRSK
21st May 2006, 21:56
While we are on the subject of gear, does anyone know of a really cheap one piece racing suit. Im really desperate to get one...Cheap... I am 6foot and 65kgs. Slim :blip: . Thanks from Matt

ZeroIndex
21st May 2006, 22:33
While we are on the subject of gear, does anyone know of a really cheap one piece racing suit. Im really desperate to get one...Cheap... I am 6foot and 65kgs. Slim :blip: . Thanks from Matt
http://www.lifestyle-imports.co.nz/ They look very good, and once I've got my Cordura's from him, I will be saving up to get one :)

ZeroIndex
21st May 2006, 22:36
Ok, even though I'm only getting a jacket and pants 2 bins (week 1 & 3), 2.5 months and 4000km later, I don't think spending $500+ on a helmet is necessary.. I got a HJC CS-10 gloss black helmet for $120, and that is fine.. Gloves $100? go buy from QuasiEvil.. Waterproof boots $500? I got some really nice boots from LifeStyleImports, and waterproofed them myself.. $170 (including the can of waterproofing stuff..)

Very sensible. some of the figures quoted for magic gear are absurd. Noone would ever take up motorcycling if such expenditures were indeed necessary. If you intend to treat the road as a road not a racetrack, there is no need for such extravagance. Keep it for the race track.


How many cows have you seen with gravel rash

Not many. But then, I've not seen many cows riding motorbikes, either.

Gonna get my Cordura from http://www.lifestyle-imports.co.nz/ on Thursday

And about those cows..

Crasherfromwayback
21st May 2006, 22:48
If you believe that your riding ability is that inadequate that you are inevitably going to crash then it is my opinion you should NOT ride a motorcycle.

Alternatively, book yourself in for riding courses.
I've just gotta believe that's a piss take....
Because...if not, you're a moron.
Let me carry on as if you're serious. (If you're not, the approriate apology will follow)
Even if the person believes they have the ability and skills of Rossi, does that mean they shouldn't dress for being taken out by Rossi's blind and mental great-great grandfather?
Get real.
Don't ever listen to people like this mate, dress like you're gonna crash.
If you don't crash great. Your gear lasts forever.
If you do...bad one, but at least you'll minimize the damage.
YOU'RE the one that needs a 'refresher' course mate.
Perhaps you don't need saftey gear sipping a latte at the local cafe?

Ixion
21st May 2006, 23:08
If I seriously believed that it was inevitable that I was going to crash, I would give up riding tomorrow. What you believe, will happen.

I respect the possibility of a crash , but certainly do not believe that it is inevitable.

I agree with Mr Swanny. Anyone who genuinely believes that crashing (in a bike or a car) is inevitable is a danger to themselves and to others, and should be put off the road, because the prophecy will become self fulfilling.

On the track it is probably true. On the road (which is NOT a race track) it is not true.

You are inevitably going to crash. I am not.(I possibly may, but not inevitably)

EDIT: Moreover, the debate was not whether a rider should wear NO prtotective clothing, but whether it is essential to spend $3000 plus on it. As to that question, the matter of relative speed may be considered. Sprotsbike riders belt along at 250kph. The original poster, a learner, will hopefully be less extravagant speedwise, and stick to more pedestrian speeds. Impact damages increases exponentially with speed (the LTSA keep telling us so, and that point of their propaganda is true). More impact, more "work" the gear has to do, more magic required.

So the $500 basic gear at legal speeds is probably going to be better protection than the expensive stuff at 250kph.

The learner will hopefully also keep both wheels on the road whilst riding, which will make a difference also.

stevedee
21st May 2006, 23:09
Mate get the mindset "I never fall off" and get some good gear, my opinion is that leather is the best but I never plan to test the theory. Ride to survive not to impress others.

spd:-)

skidMark
21st May 2006, 23:10
latex....and lots of lube :blip:

Motu
21st May 2006, 23:21
The best bit of safety gear you can get you already have - your brain.Use it,expand on it,it'll never wear out and save you from more injury than any expensive suit.

Crasherfromwayback
21st May 2006, 23:26
If I seriously believed that it was inevitable that I was going to crash, I would give up riding tomorrow. What you believe, will happen.

I respect the possibility of a crash , but certainly do not believe that it is inevitable.
Cool as mate, don't even bother with a helmet then.
'BELIEVE' mate.....lol...get real.
What shit advice.
I've seen so many people with the same "I'm not planning on crashing" attitude as yours.
Try and pick your nose with no meat on your fingers.

sAsLEX
21st May 2006, 23:28
Leather can be made water proof when traeted with Bees wax. It will keep you dry for up to 3 hours in West Coast rain. But leather does absorb water, and to keep it water proof it must be dried slowly and re-waxed regularly.


Or three holes in a rubbish bag keeps the wind and rain of your torso, and can be kept in the tiniest of places, and doesn't take hours of prep

SwanTiger
21st May 2006, 23:28
No it is not a pisstake, if you have the mentality that your riding is that inadequate that you're going to crash then you really shouldn't ride a motorcycle.

Shit does happen and we need to take precautions, such as safety gear. I never said otherwise.

I did not state an opinion in regards to safety/riding gear. I don't have an opinion, only preference so did not comment on that speficically.

Be careful who you call a moron.



Don't ever listen to people like this mate, dress like you're gonna crash.

Motu
21st May 2006, 23:32
I've crashed many times with no helmet,no gloves,wearing just jeans and sneakers,a denim jacket - I'm still here at 52 years old,I have no scares or broken bones from motorcycle accidents.I'm a ''miracle'' eh? Of course these days I have a pretty comprehensive kit and intend to keep my crashes to a minimum.Die if you want to mate - just don't drag us into it.

Ixion
21st May 2006, 23:38
Cool as mate, don't even bother with a helmet then.
,,.

Often didn't until they made them compulsary. Still here , with meat on fingers, after 40 years of it.

But I HAVE seen the poor buggers in the spinal units and the neuro units, who crashed wearing all the gear there was. Reality is, if you crash on the road there's a good chance you may die. Gear or no gear, the magic's not strong enough.Keep on crashing, and it becomes a certainty.

*THAT'S* the inevitability that a lot of people don't want to face up to.

Crasherfromwayback
21st May 2006, 23:39
No it is not a pisstake, if you have the mentality that your riding is that inadequate that you're going to crash then you really shouldn't ride a motorcycle.

Shit does happen and we need to take precautions, such as safety gear. I never said otherwise.

I did not state an opinion in regards to safety/riding gear. I don't have an opinion, only preference so did not comment on that speficically.

Be careful who you call a moron.
Mate....the guy didn't state his riding was inadequate, he's just being realistic.
What's wrong with thinking eventually you're gonna crash (your fault or not).?
Unmarked gravel....diesel spill....some other cunt taking you out...?
All of you 'long term experts' that have ridden for sooooo long without a crash, and the believe you'll never have one cause you don't bring it upon yourself through negative thoughts.....wake up.

Ixion
21st May 2006, 23:46
What's wrong is that if you crash, there's a good chance you die, or are permanently injured. Magic gear notwithstanding.

What is bad is that when crashers crash (cos, being inevitable, they don't bother to ride safely), there's a risk that they may take me out too. The main reason why I keep away from KB rides. I don't really give a stuff if you crash or not. I just don't want to be around when it happens.

Oh, and BTW, my gravel is always unmarked. Part of not crashing - don't rely on other people to make it safe for you. Your safety is your responsibility.

SwanTiger
21st May 2006, 23:48
Mate....the guy didn't state his riding was inadequate, he's just being realistic.
What's wrong with thinking eventually you're gonna crash (your fault or not).?
Unmarked gravel....diesel spill....some other cunt taking you out...?
All of you 'long term experts' that have ridden for sooooo long without a crash, and the believe you'll never have one cause you don't bring it upon yourself through negative thoughts.....wake up.

Whatever, we have a difference of opinion.

I'm not going to waste any more time when your emphasis is only on proving your argument to be the "correct" one.

Crasherfromwayback
21st May 2006, 23:52
But I HAVE seen the poor buggers in the spinal units and the neuro units, who crashed wearing all the gear there was. Reality is, if you crash on the road there's a good chance you may die. Gear or no gear, the magic's not strong enough.Keep on crashing, and it becomes a certainty.

*THAT'S* the inevitability that a lot of people don't want to face up to.
You're drifting from what I said.
Dress for the worst case scenario is what I'm saying.
Anything less is not good advice to someone asking for help on the matter.
Skill and ego wasn't the original question.

SwanTiger
21st May 2006, 23:55
What is bad is that when crashers crash (cos, being inevitable, they don't bother to ride safely), there's a risk that they may take me out too. The main reason why I keep away from KB rides. I don't really give a stuff if you crash or not. I just don't want to be around when it happens.


This be the truth.

I was brainwashed by a few KB members who emphasised that one day "I would crash" and that it happens to everyone. Well I have already had a crash on my GN 250 and the only injury I sustained was sore testicles from ramming into the tank on impact.

The cause of the crash was a front tyrre blow out on a corner which lead me into a ditch.

On my new bike I've had several hairy moments but controlled them. Not so long ago once instance occured where crashing was "invenitable" and in the few split seconds before impact with two other vehicles I thought "this is it, fuck and I'm not insured" and thought "fuck this, I'm not crashing" and at the very last minute controlled the situation and the only damage was to my nice clean underwear.

Morale is like the rule of "Look where you want to go" same applies for "Believe what you want to have happen".

And not to drag him into it, but its one thing that turned my mind around and I thank the man very much for it.

At the pub I was talking to Frosty about racing and how he said that he was going to win the championship. We yacked a bit and eventually it boiled down to him saying "Its all what you believe, I told myself I'm going to win the champinionship and I believe it". Guess what -- the bugger won it!

It just highlights my point.

Get well soon Frosty.

EDIT: When I crashed my GN I was wearing sneakers, jeans and a whooly jacket. For the record.

gt244
21st May 2006, 23:56
Crasherfromwayback: appreciate the backup :)

All i was trying to say was i need decent gear in case i do come off. Yup, chances are i could still end up pretty munted even dead, but i think id be worse off with crappy/no gear. Im a cautious car driver, ill be an even more cautious bike rider (granted im a female and the car crash stats are in our favour) but sh*t happens and theres nothing i can really do about being in the wrong place at the wrong time except for consult my crystal ball :D

(signed in under brothers profile cant be bothered signing out and in all the time).

Crasherfromwayback
22nd May 2006, 00:00
Your safety is your responsibility.
Sure is.
Until some docile cunt takes you out.
Dress to crash.
Don't listen to the "I've never crashed", nor plan to croud.

Ixion
22nd May 2006, 00:09
Well, tell y'what. When you can sell me some gear that can guarantee 100% that I can walk away from any crash at all with no injury, then I'll dress to crash.

Until then, I think I'll just keep on with the policy of not crashing.

But, to each his own. You crash as often as you wish, you're in Wellington and I'm in Auckland, so it's unlikely to affect me.

Crasherfromwayback
22nd May 2006, 00:09
The cause of the crash was a front tyrre blow out on a corner which lead me into a ditch.


same applies for "Believe what you want to have happen".

It just highlights my point.


EDIT: When I crashed my GN I was wearing sneakers, jeans and a whooly jacket. For the record.
Actually mate...it highlights MY point.
Don't tell me....you dreamed you were gonna have a front tyre blowout on your GN and it happened right? You asked for it right?
And as far as not continuing the debate, it's not about right or wrong?
I thought that's why you chose to disagree with me in the first place....

SwanTiger
22nd May 2006, 00:11
Crasherfromwayback: appreciate the backup :)

All i was trying to say was i need decent gear in case i do come off. Yup, chances are i could still end up pretty munted even dead, but i think id be worse off with crappy/no gear. Im a cautious car driver, ill be an even more cautious bike rider (granted im a female and the car crash stats are in our favour) but sh*t happens and theres nothing i can really do about being in the wrong place at the wrong time except for consult my crystal ball :D

(signed in under brothers profile cant be bothered signing out and in all the time).

All good.

My opinion here.

Whatever you choose, make sure it has armour.

Don't worry about loosing skin, I've lost plenty, in one instance I've scrapped my face along the ground at 30kmp/h and boy did it fucken hurt. The rest of the kids in the neighbourhood had a laugh for a few months though, "MELON FACE" was the popular nickname.

9 times out of 10 it'll grow back without scarring.

Crasherfromwayback
22nd May 2006, 00:13
Well, tell y'what. When you can sell me some gear that can guarantee 100% that I can walk away from any crash at all with no injury, then I'll dress to crash.

Until then, I think I'll just keep on with the policy of not crashing.

But, to each his own. You crash as often as you wish, you're in Wellington and I'm in Auckland, so it's unlikely to affect me.
Good one mate.
I hope when you're riding in mid summer in your Speedo's up there, you at least burn the fuck out of your leg on a hot exhaust seeing as you're not going to crash.
You're so right.
Protective gear is for negative wossies.

SwanTiger
22nd May 2006, 00:14
Actually mate...it highlights MY point.
Don't tell me....you dreamed you were gonna have a front tyre blowout on your GN and it happened right? You asked for it right?
And as far as not continuing the debate, it's not about right or wrong?
I thought that's why you chose to disagree with me in the first place....

That post has no relevance to whatever you said.

Again its my own opinion - give up already. Do you want a fucken medal or some shit?

Crasherfromwayback
22nd May 2006, 00:21
That post has no relevance to whatever you said.

Again its my own opinion - give up already. Do you want a fucken medal or some shit?
No relevance?
YOU put your oar in about the 'bringing it upon yourself' crashing scene.
Then, you gave us a couple of examples where it 'wasn't your fault'.
Yet we should never dress as if we're 'expecting' to crash?, cause that makes us accidents waiting to happen???
Hello???
Medal?
Fucken aye I want one.
And a false chest.

SwanTiger
22nd May 2006, 00:29
No relevance?
YOU put your oar in about the 'bringing it upon yourself' crashing scene.
Then, you gave us a couple of examples where it 'wasn't your fault'.
Yet we should never dress as if we're 'expecting' to crash?, cause that makes us accidents waiting to happen???
Hello???
Medal?
Fucken aye I want one.
And a false chest.

The examples of my lack of responsibility / fault in those scenarios was falsely painted, you are absoloutely correct, sir. It was my fault and I accept absoloutely that I suffered consequences based on my own actions.

You are completely correct, again. I'm wrong in apparently implying that we as motorcyclist should never wear protective gear. I was also wrong in expecting that we will never encounter a situation which causes us to crash.

Medal, I think thats fair, here it is.

Happy now?

You are correct. You are right. Your opinion is gospel.

Here is your medal, sir.

<img src="http://www.milnet.com/pentagon/medals/PIM-Medal.gif">

Now you can go and crash in your wonderful protective gear, that I so admittly oppose the use of.

Crasherfromwayback
22nd May 2006, 00:33
Shit hot mate, and thanks!
One last thing......any chance you could change the colour of the meadal?
It clashes with the others.

SwanTiger
22nd May 2006, 00:37
Shit hot mate, and thanks!
One last thing......any chance you could change the colour of the meadal?
It clashes with the others.

No, get fucked :motu:

Crasherfromwayback
22nd May 2006, 00:41
Not without the approriate protection!

SwanTiger
22nd May 2006, 00:44
Not without the approriate protection!

LOL, maybe you aren't such a fuck knuckle after all.

... Nah, you're still a fuck knuckle until proven otherwise :nya:

NSR-Dan
22nd May 2006, 01:23
I recon wear anything thing that doesnt require dry cleaning. nothing like throwing it in the wash with a cup of cold power. ooooooooo baby.

Motu
22nd May 2006, 08:03
Crasherfromwayback has target fixation in his stand here - and that's exactly what we are talking about.Coming around a corner you come across an ''oh fuck!'' situation,a gravel spill,someone pulling out and looking the other way - you can say ''I'm going to crash!'',fixate on the problem,hit the brakes go down and crash....not a good way to think at all.

A more experianced rider will shit themselves too - but the simple act of looking through the corner,maybe planning a couple of escape routes will see the situation resolved with barely a lift of throttle.

It's not a matter of someone thinking ''I'm going to crash today'',or someone else donning an invisble shield when they get on their bike - what we are talking about is confidence in your own abilities...if you are not confident there is a very real chance of you crashing....if you have confidence in your abilities the likelyhood of crashing is reduced conciderably.

I don't see a problem there....and part of your confidence is in wearing the apropiate gear.

Quasievil
22nd May 2006, 08:11
Gonna get my Cordura from http://www.lifestyle-imports.co.nz/ on Thursday

And about those cows..

No youre fucken Not, I got Cordura arriving today, you will come and check it out younglin!!!

Quasievil
22nd May 2006, 08:16
Just a small announcment I got 650 kgs of Gear arriving today, I didnt buy it to look at it needs to sell.
Boots
Cordura
Pants non Knee slider
Pants with Knee slider
Gloves leather
Gloves waterproof
Ladies Gear
T SHirts
Caps
Back Protectors two kinds
One Piece Leather

You name it I got it.

Design your own One Piece leathers and colours, made to measure TOP RACING SPEC $650.00

So let me know if I can help!!

Cheers

ZeroIndex
22nd May 2006, 09:40
No youre fucken Not, I got Cordura arriving today, you will come and check it out younglin!!!
ok.. I will come have a look.. Getting my new exhaust put on at 5pm in Pukekohe today, so is +/- 7pm ok to come have a look?

Quasievil
22nd May 2006, 10:41
ok.. I will come have a look.. Getting my new exhaust put on at 5pm in Pukekohe today, so is +/- 7pm ok to come have a look?

Hi Mate, make it tomorrow night if you can?
Cheers

ZeroIndex
22nd May 2006, 11:10
Hi Mate, make it tomorrow night if you can?
Cheers
ok, will do that

The_Dover
22nd May 2006, 11:42
Fuck swanny, I'm gonna give you some shit if you do bin!

Protective gear isn't worn to be tested, end of story.

You don't wear a jimmy hat cos you suspect the chick has something.

But I know that I'd rather it was Cowpoos girlfriends hide sliding down the road than mine should the worst happen (again).

yungatart
22nd May 2006, 11:54
I wear a two pice zip together cordura suit, bought 2nd hand for about $325, MSTRS has leather overalls and jacket, bought 2nd hand for about $400, hXc has two piece zip together leathers, 2nd hand for about $200. Buy what you can afford as long as it fits.

9cents
1st June 2006, 00:37
It seems to me you're all arguing for the same thing but don't realise it.
Some have a glass half full attitude.
Some have a glass half empty attitude.
Me? I don't really care how much is in there, but should my glass slide down the road one day, I'd like to spill as little as possible :yes:

FROSTY
1st June 2006, 08:27
My opinion has changed over the years.
For your average road rider who lets face it doesn't plan/intend/expect to crash EVER let alone every other day I think Cudura is the way to go .
It will protect you ONCE in a crash then its usually semi buggered
But its comefortable,water proof ish and easy to look after.
If you are a racer,track day freak or just like to push the envelope then you expect to fall off maybee not often but you know its gonna happen eventually.
For these guys leather is the only way to go.

NSR-Dan
5th June 2006, 01:48
ir econ if it will save you in a crash, get some average to good gear and i def recomend a one peice suit and a good helmet not a cheap 100-200 dollar one (better helmets are actully made of better materials not just to look better),

I have a friend that bought cheap gear and had a bad accident, her jacket rode up and grinded part of her thigh bone off she had jeans on and her leg was so badly damaged that it had to be amputated and also because of her cheap helmet her head was cracked and ended up in a coma for 8 months.

im not saying you should dress to crash, but dress for the unexpected. her accident was caused by a drunk driver, which was very unlucky, other people out there that have been fortunate have been lucky but however there can be that situation like hers where good gear could of saved her leg and partial brain damage (she suffered from severe memory lost and forgot about 6 years of her life), in some cases even lives.

Nicksta
5th June 2006, 07:09
well, i used to ride in a cordura 2 peice and HJC helmet, now i ride in a 2 piece (but fully zips together) suit and awesome shoei helmet.....
I had to put my cordura on to ride to work the other day and felt completely vulnerable....
Go the leather suit... (and it feels nice too)
you only get one skull, protect it well....

sAsLEX
5th June 2006, 09:46
i def recomend a one peice suit

Two piece suits are fine as long as they zip together to stop the jacket riding up as you go tarmac surfing

Quasievil
5th June 2006, 10:33
Two piece suits are fine as long as they zip together to stop the jacket riding up as you go tarmac surfing

Absolutely, up to now 15 bikers from this site have crashed in our gear, all two piece suits, not all zipped together, all of these bikers where ok and unhurt do to the leather performance, also all of them are still using the same leathers as they where not damaged, worst we have had was a small tear about 2" long (nothing)
Some riders have even crashed twice in our two piece suits (CaN).

as much as this sounds like an advert its also a note to indicate that two piece suits are absolutely excellent, in fact for the road a one piece is inferior as other factors such as practical usability make them a pain in the arse.

Mr Skid
5th June 2006, 15:35
Hi

I wold be interested to know how protective Dainese body armour
worn under a non protective jacket would be. I would like to buy
some for skiing and was wondering if it would be ok on the bike
also. I have also heard it is hard to get hold of in NZ Hi cassina, the person you should talk to is NhuanH.
He knows lots about Dainese gear.

terbang
5th June 2006, 17:32
Leather is the way..

Fisherman
16th June 2006, 00:49
Ive found that i now want a leather jacket as my synthetic is too bulky if im going somewhere in town and they dont work too well on that peg beside the door. In saying that i cant go anywhere without it cos i feel 'naked' but buy something that is practical and u will wear.

ZeroIndex
16th June 2006, 01:06
Ive found that i now want a leather jacket as my synthetic is too bulky if im going somewhere in town and they dont work too well on that peg beside the door. In saying that i cant go anywhere without it cos i feel 'naked' but buy something that is practical and u will wear.
i feel the exact same way.. Quasi.. I'm gonna be banging on your door sometime in the next few weeks (busy saving hard for some leathers)

Quasievil
16th June 2006, 07:24
i feel the exact same way.. Quasi.. I'm gonna be banging on your door sometime in the next few weeks (busy saving hard for some leathers)

I got a few seconds if that helps you out, nothing major but cant sell them for full quid, nothing performance affecting anyway.

Paul in NZ
16th June 2006, 08:37
I've always worn leathers, always will. I've had conversations with others that the cordura is more convenient, cheaper, has armour plating etc etc.

My question is: Why isn't it used for racing on a regular basis??

My feelings are...

Top racers get paid to wear those leathers and they are custom made for the individual and the conditions. If I had the $$ I'll bet a house full of spotty teenage virgins that I could develop a synthetic suit for racing and pay a top rider to wear it. Fact is, the gear makers make a LOT of $$ knocking out cheap replicas of the real thing!

Racers don't generally have to deal with oncoming traffic or roadside obstacles such as trees and powerpoles, gutters etc and their custom made suits are tight and wrinkle free and replaced regularly.

If a racer takes a tumble, they tend to slide for ages without impacting said trees etc and without a doubt, leather has excellent abrasion resistence so a suit of leathers is suitable protection. A lot of time and effort goes in to making the track 'safe'.

Codura or synthetic materials have the distinct advantage of weather protection so it's my choice because we travel longer distances and I cannot remember a single long trip without rain at some stage or other. I believe that I am a safer rider in these conditions if I am warm and dry.

Our gear has built in hard armour with a soft backing which is designed to spread the load of any impact which is the the most likely cause of serious injury to a road motorcyclist. At least one that is now so old and fat that he no longer thinks he could take Rossi on a good day.. Stuff all time goes into making our unpredictable environments 'safe' for motorcycles.

However, all the gear in the world will not protect you from being a moron. Defensive riding techniques and common sense are worth more than all the leather in the world....

Lou Girardin
16th June 2006, 14:45
What Paul said.
What use is a perforated race suit when it's 10 degrees, pissing down and you're so cold you couldn't operate the brake even if you could find it.
And I've seen textile gear that has handled a high speed slide just fine.
I'd trust my Spidi GT textile suit far more than some cheap no-name leather kit.
(No quasi, this isn't a dig at your gear. Too many people have said it's good to doubt it)
Horses for courses.

gunnyrob
16th June 2006, 15:37
Great to see we're back on topic after all the flaming!

I binned a bike at an intersection at low speed wearing 2 pc leathers a while back and just dusted myself off with no harm done, despite it lying on my leg part of the way. The downside with leather is once it's wet, you're gonna be wet for the next couple of days. (something to bear in mind if you're off to the Brass monkey)

I've now bought a full set of Spidi gear and it's great. Very comfy, warm and waterproof, and has leather on road contact points as well as armour.

Buy what you can afford BEFORE you buy your bike as once the bike is there it will suck all your spare cash in fuel, tyres & insurance.

Good Quality stuff will last a lot longer than crappy gear, so give it a good check out before you buy. Also, check out the product reviews on this site to get ideas on what to go for or avoid.

A defensive riding course I did has saved my skin lots of times, so get on one ASAP. Good luck, stay upright :ride:

Quasievil
16th June 2006, 15:44
I'd trust my Spidi GT textile suit far more than some cheap no-name leather kit.
(No quasi, this isn't a dig at your gear. Too many people have said it's good to doubt it)
Horses for courses.

It cant relate to my gear anyway Mr Girardin, as I have my own brand on my gear,as well as NZ based legal guarantees etc, not to mention in 15 crashes everyone is still wearing it, like to see some of the big names say that........ if they could.
My gear is simply better, I know it is, I seen it perform, take the gloves for example, Keystone 3 crashes, still okay, dss3 3 crashes still okay. Battered and grazed for sure but still up for another ride, I know alpinestar cant handle that. So I actually arrogantly regard Alpinestar and Spidi as a cheap brand with a name.

I know cheek prick, but its tru otherwise its :blah:

The Stranger
16th June 2006, 15:52
Once you've slid down the road a couple of times, be interesting to see if ya still gonna buy cheap gear.

There is no substitute for good quality gear.

I have.
In the same set of Quasi's leathers both times.
If I didn't point out the burns on the leather you would never know.

Quasi's leather is both cheaper and offers better protection than the cordura gear.
It's not often where the cheaper gear is better, take the opportunity when you find it.

The Stranger
16th June 2006, 15:57
But I know that I'd rather it was Cowpoos girlfriends hide sliding down the road than mine should the worst happen (again).

She puts the lotion on.

The Stranger
16th June 2006, 16:03
If you believe that your riding ability is that inadequate that you are inevitably going to crash then it is my opinion you should NOT ride a motorcycle.

Alternatively, book yourself in for riding courses.

Yeah you really should listen to swanny here, he has real experience.

He is the same guy who pulled a wheelie on Markauckland's bike whilst wearing denim and went around the rest of the night as a biohazard dropping blood everywhere.

So when you selling the bike Swanny?

SwanTiger
16th June 2006, 16:37
Yeah you really should listen to swanny here, he has real experience.

He is the same guy who pulled a wheelie on Markauckland's bike whilst wearing denim and went around the rest of the night as a biohazard dropping blood everywhere.

So when you selling the bike Swanny?

Crashing someone elses Motorcycle doesn't count :nya:

The Stranger
16th June 2006, 16:39
Crashing someone elses Motorcycle doesn't count :nya:

Mind if I borrow your bike?

The_Dover
16th June 2006, 16:45
Somebody might see you on it............

The Stranger
16th June 2006, 17:17
Somebody might see you on it............

Fuck, what was I thinking.
Thanks Dover, I owe you one.

SwanTiger
16th June 2006, 17:42
Mind if I borrow your bike?

Depends which one.

N4CR
16th June 2006, 17:50
Hmm i'd pick Chobham armour. Might be a little unconventional though?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chobham_armour

Go leather for protection, cordura is shit when you fall off on it, gets nasty holes in it at any speed. Not good.. I only wear it when it gets fuckin cold. Still never used the liner either :)

ZeroIndex
16th June 2006, 17:57
It cant relate to my gear anyway Mr Girardin, as I have my own brand on my gear,as well as NZ based legal guarantees etc, not to mention in 15 crashes everyone is still wearing it, like to see some of the big names say that........ if they could.
My gear is simply better, I know it is, I seen it perform, take the gloves for example, Keystone 3 crashes, still okay, dss3 3 crashes still okay. Battered and grazed for sure but still up for another ride, I know alpinestar cant handle that. So I actually arrogantly regard Alpinestar and Spidi as a cheap brand with a name.

I know cheek prick, but its tru otherwise its :blah:
you have my vote of confidence with the gloves.. latest bin was straight onto the right one, and my hand is perfectly fine, and the glove as the tinyist of scrapes on the carbon fibre bit (on the right pinky finger)..

Motu
16th June 2006, 20:14
My flared Levi cords survived a spill that saw the rivets leave burn marks on my hip and wore my thick leather belt down to half thickness - there wasn't a mark on the Levi's or my body....I'd swear by Levi cords,you don't have to have the flares if you feel uncomfortable in that style....

Paul in NZ
18th June 2006, 10:04
Absolutely, up to now 15 bikers from this site have crashed in our gear, all two piece suits, not all zipped together, all of these bikers where ok and unhurt do to the leather performance, also all of them are still using the same leathers as they where not damaged, worst we have had was a small tear about 2" long (nothing)
Some riders have even crashed twice in our two piece suits (CaN).

as much as this sounds like an advert its also a note to indicate that two piece suits are absolutely excellent, in fact for the road a one piece is inferior as other factors such as practical usability make them a pain in the arse.

I think you need to be very careful making comparisons or making statements as every accident is different. Gear, is utterly the last survival barrier and cannot be trusted to save you, regardless of brand or type. Identical equipment will perform differently under very small condition changes, different fit etc etc. I have no doubt, having met you, that you are selling a first rate product but please be careful, sooner or later someone will get hurt or die wearing your gear... It's just a matter of time / opportunity / numbers.

My worry is when people start threads like this they get the impression leather will protect them in all conditions, it won't.

I have personally seen a friend tumble off a bike at less than walking speed and wearing full leather and a Bell helmet (state of the art at the time) die from impact injury. Unbelieveable... Yet another friend head fist into a car, flies through the air and hits a lampost with his body at about waist height, only denims and NO helmet, perfectly fine! THE best survival tip... Don't fall off... If you wear anything, wear a suit of clear space between you and the environment.

OK - I now I'm a daft old bastard that does not understand modern sports bikes and the whole scene but.... I'm alive...

Motu
18th June 2006, 11:29
A lot of misconceptions for sure - people crash and see their shredded leathers and go - ''Wow,if I hadn't been wearing my leathers I'd be mincemeat!'' A valid and true statement,leather is just preserved skin,and it's a lot thicker and tougher than our own.But other materials react in different ways - in my example above,why was my leather belt ground away and yet the cords unmarked? The cords were slippery,they slid over the surface,didn't catch or tear,while the leather gripped the surface and took the abuse.Another time I crashed and spun down the road on my back,I was slidding so long I stood up when I thought I'd nearly stopped and launched into a forward roll,landing on my back and slidding some more.I was wearing an old worn out oilskin parka,again there was not a mark on it...same as the cords it was able to just slide over the surface.Different circumstances and I might not be here to tell my tales....

Buy the best gear you can afford and wear it everytime you ride - ATGATT.

ZeroIndex
18th June 2006, 17:26
A lot of misconceptions for sure - people crash and see their shredded leathers and go - ''Wow,if I hadn't been wearing my leathers I'd be mincemeat!'' A valid and true statement,leather is just preserved skin,and it's a lot thicker and tougher than our own.But other materials react in different ways - in my example above,why was my leather belt ground away and yet the cords unmarked? The cords were slippery,they slid over the surface,didn't catch or tear,while the leather gripped the surface and took the abuse.Another time I crashed and spun down the road on my back,I was slidding so long I stood up when I thought I'd nearly stopped and launched into a forward roll,landing on my back and slidding some more.I was wearing an old worn out oilskin parka,again there was not a mark on it...same as the cords it was able to just slide over the surface.Different circumstances and I might not be here to tell my tales....

Buy the best gear you can afford and wear it everytime you ride - ATGATT.
so.. who is going to be oiling you up at the next track day? P/T :D

Quasievil
18th June 2006, 17:57
OK - I now I'm a daft old bastard

There we finally have it on record:yes: !!!!!

right you are Mr Paul

Paul in NZ
18th June 2006, 20:51
There we finally have it on record:yes: !!!!!

right you are Mr Paul

I can't spell and manage to hit all the keys either.... shame shame shame...

I HAVE to be an idiot as well. Just spent 4 hours returning my Triumph breather system to circa 1970 and them modified it to work. Spent an hour wondering where my chain oiler went (off the parts book) - before I found out late 1970 bikes don't have them (a good thing) and I remembered that I never ever had one in the first place... Then a happy hour mounting the exhaust bracket upside down, reversing it, noticing the drawing in the parts book is WRONG and modifing it so it fits... Still... I made progess I think... I forgot what it looked like before I started but I have less stuff on the bench so I musta done OK...

Must be an idiot because I enjoyed it all...