ZX14 versus Hayabusa

[Mrs Busa Pete]

went to see zx14 at mount eden to day left there not convinsed that i should change demo in store mid july i think he said . is there a comparison of the two out there on the web

[Qkchk]

Yeah one is farken ugly and the other is a Suzuki :rofl:

[UrbanMyth]

yes very ugly but when they 1st announced the zx1400 they said it would be back on top of the fastest bike list like the zzr1100 was for ages.But suzuki countered with the promise of how awesome the '07 busa will be.

[Titanium]

try http://bmwk1200s.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3390

Click the links for the 2 articals at top of posts.

Cheers


Peter

[UrbanMyth]

wow cheers bmw your a top bloke
Haha watch all the suzuki die hards deny this.Kawasaki should have made a 1300 to really compete though i guess

[Titanium]

pleasure is all mine .....

Remember to read the bits about the BMW K1200 S :first:

Cheers

Peter

[Sensei]

Doesn't mater if someone makes a faster bike any more the BUSHA has made its mark on been a Legend ! & will keep selling bikes based on that .

[Marmoot]

unexpectedly saw 1 black zx140 past me in the NW m'way 2 nighs ago.

Damn bastard looked great........

[Edbear]

Excellent link BMW! Well written test, but merely confirms my view that modern bikes are, or should be, about what type of riding one wants to do. My personal preference in that group would be the Blackbird, closely followed by the legendary, (and deservedly so!), 'Busa. But I bet the new owners of the Kwaka will just be loving their bikes! How many of us will have the necessary cojones, ability, time, space and opportunity to work out a significant difference on NZ roads? I bet our local KB Blackbirder would have something to say about the observations in the test, too!:rockon:

[mynameis]

The ZXR 1400 is a ugly peice of shit, which looks something like a cross breed between a motobike and a rickshaw lol .. it's a fat ugly and chunky meat. In terms of power and torque did a bit of search it still in "TBA" stage to be announced.

But I reckon if they keep on competing they will end up with 2000c bikes which wont even look like bikes nemore..but the busa is a dream mate ! Smooth as anything ! Raaaah Go the busa anyday !

:whocares:

[Mrs Busa Pete]

from behind and to the side i could sort of see a gpx1000rx with a 45angle at the front .11-12 thousand to change that is a paint job/turbo/and pipe plus some change.do bikes get slow or do we just expect that first time feel every time?

[Quasievil]

The ZXR 1400 is a ugly peice of shit, which looks something like a cross breed between a motobike and a rickshaw lol .. it's a fat ugly and chunky meat. In terms of power and torque did a bit of search it still in "TBA" stage to be announced.

But I reckon if they keep on competing they will end up with 2000c bikes which wont even look like bikes nemore..but the busa is a dream mate ! Smooth as anything ! Raaaah Go the busa anyday !

:whocares:


Well youre a Noob arent ya? Ugly piece of shit? ugly fine if its not your cup of tea, but a piece of shit? youre obviously an idiot its not only the result of a great deal of work as well as the top performing hypa sport tourer bike currently on the market, but it has taken the crown of the Busa? to have a little no body from Auckland calling it a piece of shit is laughable.Have you seen it , have you riden it, I think not.
you sound like a threatened busa lover.
go sell your bike you arent worthy to ride the brand

[Mrs Busa Pete]

it looks the part, only a super car or bike can look radical and get away with it rather than being an up scale of a smaler model

[UrbanMyth]

right on Quasievil

[Blackbird]

Excellent link BMW! Well written test, but merely confirms my view that modern bikes are, or should be, about what type of riding one wants to do. My personal preference in that group would be the Blackbird, closely followed by the legendary, (and deservedly so!), 'Busa. But I bet the new owners of the Kwaka will just be loving their bikes! How many of us will have the necessary cojones, ability, time, space and opportunity to work out a significant difference on NZ roads? I bet our local KB Blackbirder would have something to say about the observations in the test, too!:rockon:

IMHO, they're all fantastic bikes with strong points and weaknesses like any bikes. In the end, the choice will either be about what each bike does for you at an emotional level, or wanting the latest and brightest. Having the cojones to extract the most from any of these bikes is a valid point. Despite all the willy-waving about how good certain people on KB are, the most telling statement I've ever seen is from Kenny Roberts Snr. He has Gixxer 750 and Gixxer 1000 road bikes. He said that his preference is the 750 because he can get close to extracting everything it has to offer. He said that the 1000 scares him before he even gets close. I think that puts it nicely in context.

[Titanium]

The ZXR 1400 is a ugly peice of shit, which looks something like a cross breed between a motobike and a rickshaw lol .. it's a fat ugly and chunky meat. In terms of power and torque did a bit of search it still in "TBA" stage to be announced.

But I reckon if they keep on competing they will end up with 2000c bikes which wont even look like bikes nemore..but the busa is a dream mate ! Smooth as anything ! Raaaah Go the busa anyday !

:whocares:

Quote of the week......

What do you mean IF.... there is already a 2300 cc bike..... you got to get out more.

Coming for a 250 cc rider / 11 year old bike........

Do some more research buddy ...... those figures are everywhere..... 163 - 171 RWHP / 99 - 105 RWT

check below link to a thread of 62 dyno runs ... from stock to over 200 BHP.

http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/anmviewer.asp?a=2079&z=2

Peter

:bash:

[Crasherfromwayback]

pleasure is all mine .....

Remember to read the bits about the BMW K1200 S :first:

Cheers

Peter
For sure BMW make nice automobiles.
Should stick to doing only that.

[Zed]

went to see zx14 at mount eden to day left there not convinsed that i should change demo in store mid july i think he said . is there a comparison of the two out there on the webI take it you didn't test ride the new 14 Pete? Once you do you'll be closer to a convincing decision matey. :blip:

[iwilde]

At the end of the day they're both doing the same job at 3x the speed limit.
I'd be happy to own either if I was looking for a sports tourer. Quasi's point was that you can't personaly mud the 14 unless you've owned it, or at the very least test riden it. Also, by what means did you arive to the conclusion that it's a piece of shit?

[UrbanMyth]

Buddy,just stop hear before he absolutely shits all over you mynameis.
And im sure he owns something closer to a 1400 then you..

[Titanium]

For sure BMW make nice automobiles.
Should stick to doing only that.

OK, I'll be sure to pass on that gem of insight.

Ever ridden one?

http://bmwk1200s.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3506&highlight=

Rider most likely had some input to this as well,

Get some learn in ya buddy.

[APPLE]

Yeah one is farken ugly and the other is a Suzuki :rofl:
Given time,suzuki will cum up with something ''Xtremely lethel''

[ZeroIndex]

damn that new ZX-14 is flash..
*pulls out the Santa Wishlist* :D

[Crasherfromwayback]

OK, I'll be sure to pass on that gem of insight.

Ever ridden one?

http://bmwk1200s.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3506&highlight=

Rider most likely had some input to this as well,

Get some learn in ya buddy.
Ridden one??
Even better...I've worked in two Beemer dealerships.
So I guess...I can comment on them.
They're shit.

[terbang]

Havn't ridden the 14 though it looks ok in the piccies.
Own a Busa and ridden it for 7000 kays and whilst it aint the prettiest of bikes it is an absolute pleasure to ride with surprising comfort. It'll be a while, if ever, before I ride it to its limits.

[Maha]

Ah Ha, new you were looking, something was said the other night and i asked if you were looking at a ZX14......mmmmmmmm
If i had the $$$$$$'s i would have one of those K1200's in one sixtieth of an hour..... but thats just me.......:blip:

[Titanium]

Ridden one??
Even better...I've worked in two Beemer dealerships.
So I guess...I can comment on them.
They're shit.

Man, I so wish I had spoken to you before I bought mine.......

Yeah... they are THE shit.

Still not quite clear you have ridden one though........

[ZeroIndex]

is it just me, or did some posts disappear?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Man, I so wish I had spoken to you before I bought mine.......

Yeah... they are THE shit.

Still not quite clear you have ridden one though........
Good one mate.
And if you'd 'spoken' to me before you got ripped off (sorry, bought)....
You'd not listen anyway....because BMW riders kid themselves into thinking they've done well.
And I don't need to ride the latest incarnation of shit to know what they're like.
Expensive, heavy, shaft driven, sterile piles of poo. Purchased by people who want a wanky badge, and don't realise they could spend half as much and get a better bike from the land of the rising sun.

Tell me in your own words....what justifys the purchase price of one?
What do they do better than the rest?
Why does the motorcycle division of BMW lose so much money?

[Titanium]

Good one mate.
And if you'd 'spoken' to me before you got ripped off (sorry, bought)....
You'd not listen anyway....because BMW riders kid themselves into thinking they've done well.
And I don't need to ride the latest incarnation of shit to know what they're like.
Expensive, heavy, shaft driven, sterile piles of poo. Purchased by people who want a wanky badge, and don't realise they could spend half as much and get a better bike from the land of the rising sun.

Tell me in your own words....what justifys the purchase price of one?
What do they do better than the rest?
Why does the motorcycle division of BMW lose so much money?


Cause I like it and can afford it...... fuck the badge ... if a jap, or brit or yank or italian bike appealed to me and looked looked like it and I could afford it I'd buy it to.

24k for a ZX-14 - $27K for a Bema ...... Whose getting ripped off?:zzzz:

[Titanium]

is it just me, or did some posts disappear?

Think you might be on to something Sherlock.......

Who stole the posts?

[iwilde]

Cause I like it and can afford it...... fuck the badge ... if a jap, or brit or yank or italian bike appealed to me and looked looked like it and I could afford it I'd buy it to.

24k for a ZX-14 - $27K for a Bema ...... Whose getting ripped off?:zzzz:
21k for the 14 isn't it?

[imdying]

BMW K1200S - $30,500
Kawasaki ZX14 (ZZR1400) - $21,290

Source http://motorcycletrader.co.nz/ ..... Whose getting ripped off :lol:

[iwilde]

BMW K1200S - $30,500
Kawasaki ZX14 (ZZR1400) - $21,290

Source http://motorcycletrader.co.nz/ ..... Whose getting ripped off :lol:
I guess you'd have to buy the BMW cause it's slower, costs more to buy, old tec', cost more to service...etc...I think I'd rather have the 14 and then with the change buy a motard for round town.

[terbang]

BMW motorcycles are just like the cars...Over rated and over priced. Though I have had some good rides on Beemers and don't dislike them I just find the Jappers to be far more superior.

[ZeroIndex]

Think you might be on to something Sherlock.......

Who stole the posts?
I think it's because 'someone' **cough* eminem wannabe *cough** was acting like a n00b.. but if the posts were deleted, I'll be quiet about it now..

[Sensei]

Enough about BMW's blablab . ZX14 has just been out for less than 6 months & not to sure on the Busha about 8 + years & has held its own with out much change apart from colours which to me Says alot ! Its taken everyone else this long to catch up & get in front LOL . I would be very suprised that Suzuki hasn't already got their new Beast sitting behind the curtain . :yes:

[Edbear]

I would be very suprised that Suzuki hasn't already got their new Beast sitting behind the curtain . :yes:





Rumour and sneak pics of mockups suggest it's a six cylinder! Would sound awesome, but even a freshen-up of the current model would keep it ahead.:yes:

[imdying]

ZX14 has just been out for less than 6 months & not to sure on the Busha about 8 + years & has held its own with out much change apart from colours which to me Says alot ! Its taken everyone else this long to catch up & get in front LOL . I would be very suprised that Suzuki hasn't already got their new Beast sitting behind the curtain . :yes:I agree that the Busa has stood the test of time... but I'm guessing that's a lack of trying on the part of the competition. The Busa is a pretty low tech beast, it's a brutal hammer more than a sharpe blade... but that's part of it's charm of course. I suspect the fight for hypersport dominance has pulled resources away from the fight for the absolute fastest hypertourer as much as taking a long time to catch up. In other words, they didn't catch up because they weren't trying (too busy building ZX10Rs, GSXR1000s, 636s, R6s etc etc. And well why not! The Busa and ZX12R are thoroughly effective tools. They don't need to be cutting edge, and they still sell well!

/edit: And I suspect due to the nature of the best (not needing a revision every year), the next Busa will be a thorough remake, and will soldier on for many years too (cause do we really need a new Busa every two years like they do in the hypersports class??)

[terbang]

The Busa is a pretty low tech beast, it's a brutal hammer more than a sharpe blade... but that's part of it's charm of course.

Yup thats it in a nutshell

[Edbear]

I agree that the Busa has stood the test of time... but I'm guessing that's a lack of trying on the part of the competition. The Busa is a pretty low tech beast, it's a brutal hammer more than a sharpe blade... but that's part of it's charm of course. I suspect the fight for hypersport dominance has pulled resources away from the fight for the absolute fastest hypertourer as much as taking a long time to catch up. In other words, they didn't catch up because they weren't trying (too busy building ZX10Rs, GSXR1000s, 636s, R6s etc etc. And well why not! The Busa and ZX12R are thoroughly effective tools. They don't need to be cutting edge, and they still sell well!

/edit: And I suspect due to the nature of the best (not needing a revision every year), the next Busa will be a thorough remake, and will soldier on for many years too (cause do we really need a new Busa every two years like they do in the hypersports class??)



You're quite correct my dear Watson! Everyone's putting a lot of resources into the litre/600 classes as that's where the money and fierce competition is!

[Sensei]

I believe that any Top Japanese brand name has only a couple of things it wants . To have the out right Fastest bike on the Road & the Best Track/Road bike as well . If not then there would be no ZX14 or Hayabusa's & no SBK or Moto-GP

[imdying]

Yeah, Kawasaki has always wanted 'most powerful in class' and 'fastest bike in the world'. I think if it wasn't for their sustained effort in the hypersports class, Kawasaki would have taken the title from the Busa long ago. Didn't Suzuki build the Busa originally (in part) to poke the borax at Honda (the whole Hayabusa, Japanese Peregrine that eats Blackbirds) :lol: They probably ltao at how long the Busa has lasted anyway :D

[Edbear]

(the whole Hayabusa, Japanese Peregrine that eats Blackbirds) :




So did Honda get the joke?:laugh: And did Kawasaki miss the point with the ZX12R? SUzuki's been laughing all the way to the bank since launching the 'Busa in '99!:first:

[imdying]

The ZX12 is an unusual bike... I've never ridden one, but all the tests I've read seem to rate it... except for the thorn in the side that is the Busa. Lovely looking bike, the first time I saw one in the flesh was at the Ruapuna drags. This thing made no noise, no burnout, nothing interesting at all. Except that it took off almost silently, no fuss, and ran a 10 second pass. Bizarrest thing... respect++ though :)

[Sensei]

Have ridden a ZX12R felt very big even bigger than my GSXR1100 . Didn't get to give it a trash as owner was on mine & thought better of it . Still great bike not as much bottom end as I thought there would be but as above didn't go looking for it . Abit of a strange bike tho not to sure where it was intended for Fast it was but Sports Tourer ?? not really sure . A shoot out of the top Beast shall tell us all what we need to know . :blip:

[Lou Girardin]

I'll bet that very few owners have topped out a Busa, ZX14, or even most of the litre bikes.
So who really gives a fat rat's arse whether one is a poofteenth of a km/h faster?
Someone talk about how they handle.

[ZeroIndex]

I'll bet that very few owners have topped out a Busa, ZX14, or even most of the litre bikes.
So who really gives a fat rat's arse whether one is a poofteenth of a km/h faster?
Someone talk about how they handle.
agreed......

[imdying]

Totally... it's all marketing BS.

[Edbear]

I'll bet that very few owners have topped out a Busa, ZX14, or even most of the litre bikes.
So who really gives a fat rat's arse whether one is a poofteenth of a km/h faster?
Someone talk about how they handle.




Apparently they handle pretty well!....Sorry, couldn't resist! I agree, though. I haven't topped out my GSX-F either. Sad, eh? Or maybe I just enjoy riding it around our roads and I'm careful where I stretch its legs. Anyone done 300km/h around the Coro loop? I've asked before, how frustrating is it to ride on public roads a bike that does over 160km/h in FIRST gear!?:wait:

[Ham]

Its less annoying than having to rev your bike to 14k to make any power

[Edbear]

Its less annoying than having to rev your bike to 14k to make any power




Mine won't rev to 14k! Mine's old, only redlines at 12k. :bye:

[Ham]

lol, OK. In that case its better than having no power :yes:

[Edbear]

lol, OK. In that case its better than having no power :yes:




Das ok! My ol' T500 redlined at 6! My GSX at 12k sounds pretty cool! And 80hp is about twice the T500's too! Got taught about modern litre bikes when I was passing a couple cars on the Coatesville Rd one day. Was about redline in third, thought I was goin' pretty quick when an R1 blasted past us all like we was goin' backwards!

[Titanium]

I guess you'd have to buy the BMW cause it's slower, costs more to buy, old tec', cost more to service...etc...I think I'd rather have the 14 and then with the change buy a motard for round town.

Yup real slow....... conpared to a.......?
Yup low tech ...ABS, Fuel Injection, Can-Bus fly by wire..... duo lever front end....on board computer...... ESA (electronic adjustable sports Suspension)... heated grips.......at least my hands will be warm to play with my diddle.....
Yup costs more to service (than what, an equivalent sports tourer?) its all relative.... or a single cylinder... 2 stroke..... oh yeah NO stretched chains..
Oh and I got to choose lots of things on my K1200S beforw they made it.....
Oh yeah and a 2 year warranty......

Never have bagged another bike on here.........

Hell it was a toss up between a 14 and K1200S........ one arrived a 5 weeks before the other...... and only 5 x 14's arrived in the first shipment. Imagine having to wait for anything mass produced from Japan..... OMG!!!!:nono:

Stil drool over the Ducati I could have bought ... but did not .... now there is servicng costs.....!!!!

Still scares the shit out of me and gives a big grin at the same time....... and that is all that matters.

:zzzz:

[Quasievil]

I had my first sit on the 14 today and have to say, its one hell of a bike, nice everything good sitting position, style, love it.
I wonder when the next lot will arrive?

[thatHurt]

Yup real slow....... conpared to a.......?
Yup low tech ...ABS, Fuel Injection, Can-Bus fly by wire..... duo lever front end....on board computer...... ESA (electronic adjustable sports Suspension)

Don't mean to be rude but is this a car or a bike we're talking about?

[Titanium]

Don't mean to be rude but is this a car or a bike we're talking about?

Bike.....It be.

[Sensei]

I'll bet that very few owners have topped out a Busa, ZX14, or even most of the litre bikes.
So who really gives a fat rat's arse whether one is a poofteenth of a km/h faster?
Someone talk about how they handle.

Have had my GSXR K3 Hit top gear limiter chasing a guy up here on his Busa on a road I know very well & still could only keep up . This road is fairly twisty with alot of up & down corners so yes Busa's handle bloody well freaked be out how fast they can go around tight corner at high speed . They raced the Busa in the USA as well . Just since you asked thought an answer would be nice > :yes:

[Titanium]

Nurburing lap times. Pretty good for a sport tourer.

7,49 = 160 km/h Honda RC 30, Helmut Daehne (the record)
7,55 = 157 km/h GSX-R 750 -98, Felix.
7,55 = 157 km/h Kawasaki ZX-9R, Oliver Thierold, 2000.
7,57 = 157 km/h BMW K1200S - 2004, Markus Barth BMW, Germany, 2004
7,58 = 157 km/h Suzuki GSX-R 1000, Stein Rømmerud, BIKE, Norway, 2001.
7,58 = 157 km/h Yamaha YZF R1 -00 175-180 bhp, 10kg lighter, Jani, Finland, 2001.
7,58 = 157 km/h Suzuki GSX-R 1000, Bernd Schweigert, Germany, 2002.
8,06 = 154 km/h Yamaha YZF R1 -98, Gerry Nordström, BIKE, Sweden, 1998.
8,06 = 154 km/h Yamaha YZF R1 -99, Stein Rømmerud, BIKE, Norway, 1999

Now That is a track day......

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8:37 --- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo
8:37 --- Honda NSX 3.0 (07/1991)
8:38 --- Honda NSX 3.2 (08/1997)
8:38 --- Mercedes Benz SL500 (12/2001)
8:38 --- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296 PS
8:38 --- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8 (12/1998)
8:39 --- Honda S2000 (01/2000)
8:39 --- Morgan Aero 8 (04/2003)
8:40 --- Holden GTS, on an in and out lap (2000)
8:40 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5 Targa Automatic (07/1997)
8:41 --- Aston Martin DB7 (1999)
8:41 --- Audi S3, 210 PS (06/1999)
8:42 --- Audi S4, 265 PS (08/1998)
8:42 --- Lotus Exige (11/2000)
8:43 --- Honda Integra Type R (12/2000)
8:44 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5
8:45 --- Chevrolet Corvette, 339 PS, automatic
8:46 --- Porsche 993 Carrera S, 285 PS
8:47 --- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 PS (11/2001)
8:49 --- Jaguar XKR Coupe (07/1998)
8:49 --- Renault Clio Sport V6
8:49 --- Audi TT 1.8T quattro Coupé, 225 PS (11/1998)
8:50* -- Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (2000)
8:51 --- Mercedes Benz C43 AMG (02/1998)
8:52 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 430
8:58 --- Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (07/1991)
9:09 --- Volkswagen Golf V6 4Motion


:scooter:

[Mrs Busa Pete]

I wonder when the next lot will arrive?

We where told mid june /july

[Quasievil]

We where told mid june /july

So in Kawasaki Language thats November ???

[imdying]

Nurburing lap times. Pretty good for a sport tourer.

*snip* a short list of bikes and boring cagesNot really the best choice of tracks to show it's 'speed'... the Ring like the Isle of Mann is as much about the rider as the bike. What's it do round Phillip Island?

[Titanium]

Not really the best choice of tracks to show it's 'speed'... the Ring like the Isle of Mann is as much about the rider as the bike. What's it do round Phillip Island?


Ahhhhh I see..... it is ALL about speed.......

[imdying]

If you're comparing lap times, then yes? One thing to note with those Ring times is the top bike. It's clearly not the fastest. That points to a couple of things:
- It's not like for like; some of those bikes may have been race bikes, i.e. race VFR vs std R1?
- The rider at that track is more important, thus those time are really a comparison of riders, not bikes
- Local knowledge at that rack is more important, thus those time are really a comparison of riders, not bikes

So yeah, those prove nothing... You will also note that 'speed' is in hyphens, which indicates that when I've put speed, I don't mean outright speed. Of course if we're comparing lap times, then I guess in your mind is indeed ALL about speed....

[jafa]

Apparently they handle pretty well!....Sorry, couldn't resist! I agree, though. I haven't topped out my GSX-F either. Sad, eh? Or maybe I just enjoy riding it around our roads and I'm careful where I stretch its legs. Anyone done 300km/h around the Coro loop? I've asked before, how frustrating is it to ride on public roads a bike that does over 160km/h in FIRST gear!?:wait:

Funnily enough I don't find it frustrating riding a 300km/h missle (ZX12R)... so far! I think it's an odd mix of maturity (yeah, right), a healthy respect for the bike, valuing my drivers licence and fearing an abrupt end to my life that keeps me in check.

Nonetheless, I wandered out to that beautiful straight at the back of Hunua a couple days ago to check out what 'full throttle' felt like. I rode up and down the straight to check all was ok then nailed it in 3rd gear. The word 'ferocity' came to mind. I was doing 220km/h before I knew it. Holy sh*t. On the way home I thought it would be a waste of a bike if I didn't take it to the track at some point... How often can you get away with a blat on the public road before being nabbed?

Anyway, I haven't done the Coro loop yet but don't expect to be doing it at 300km/h. I haven't ridden to any extent yet so can't comment on the handling of the ZX - a 7 year gap between bikes means my confidence and competency needs a little time to warm up...!

[Sensei]

Now this is a Sweet looking BMW 1200 & would do a quick lap in this state of tune :yes:

[imdying]

Oh yeah, that'd put a horn on a jellyfish :yes:

[Sensei]

how frustrating is it to ride on public roads a bike that does over 160km/h in FIRST gear!?

Not as much as not been able to do it in TOP gear :rofl: :scooter:

[Edbear]

Funnily enough I don't find it frustrating riding a 300km/h missle (ZX12R)... so far! I think it's an odd mix of maturity (yeah, right), a healthy respect for the bike, valuing my drivers licence and fearing an abrupt end to my life that keeps me in check.

Nonetheless, I wandered out to that beautiful straight at the back of Hunua a couple days ago to check out what 'full throttle' felt like. I rode up and down the straight to check all was ok then nailed it in 3rd gear. The word 'ferocity' came to mind. I was doing 220km/h before I knew it. Holy sh*t. On the way home I thought it would be a waste of a bike if I didn't take it to the track at some point... How often can you get away with a blat on the public road before being nabbed?

Anyway, I haven't done the Coro loop yet but don't expect to be doing it at 300km/h. I haven't ridden to any extent yet so can't comment on the handling of the ZX - a 7 year gap between bikes means my confidence and competency needs a little time to warm up...!



Appreciate the comments from an owner! I guess I'd love to ride a truly fast bike, but as with you, I'm very aware of my limitations just yet! You've got to try the Coro, soon! One corner is signposted at 15km/h! That loop gives the upper body a real good workout, I can assure you! I like the fact that on roads such as that, one can have a lot of fun at legal speeds without needing to do 160+. Blackbird may disagree but I think ZX12's and the like would be better suited to places like the back blocks of Reporoa/ Rerewhakaitu, etc. (Oops! Hope I haven't given away someone's secret "private road"!):rockon:

[Blackbird]

Appreciate the comments from an owner! I guess I'd love to ride a truly fast bike, but as with you, I'm very aware of my limitations just yet! You've got to try the Coro, soon! One corner is signposted at 15km/h! That loop gives the upper body a real good workout, I can assure you! I like the fact that on roads such as that, one can have a lot of fun at legal speeds without needing to do 160+. Blackbird may disagree but I think ZX12's and the like would be better suited to places like the back blocks of Reporoa/ Rerewhakaitu, etc. (Oops! Hope I haven't given away someone's secret "private road"!):rockon:

Blabbermouth:nya: I use the big straight from Rainbow Mountain towards Murapara as a personal test track for top speed. Oh, and the 'bird is fine for the Coro Loop as I have a ride height spacer under the rear shock. Still not as nimble as a pure sports bike though. Our house is only 3 km from the big hill behind Coromandel Town so I get plenty of practice:yes:

[The Stranger]

The Busa is a pretty low tech beast, it's a brutal hammer more than a sharpe blade... but that's part of it's charm of course.


In what way is it a brutal hammer?
Only ridden one once but fealt that it was an awesome piece of work.
Well behaved and easy to ride around town.
Not really heavy at all, even by todays standards.
The weight feels very low anyway.
The power is awesome and comes on progressively.
The handling is incredible for a sport tourer.
Capable of huge speeds.


Personally I would have thought none of those traits suggest a brutal hammer.

[Edbear]

Sorry, mate!:second:




Blabbermouth:nya: I use the big straight from Rainbow Mountain towards Murapara as a personal test track for top speed.

And...???:psst:

[Blackbird]

Sorry, mate!:second:

And...???:psst:

Errr.... I prefer to keep my friendship with Bykey Cop thanks :nono:

[imdying]

In what way is it a brutal hammer?
Only ridden one once but fealt that it was an awesome piece of work.
Well behaved and easy to ride around town.
Not really heavy at all, even by todays standards.
The weight feels very low anyway.
The power is awesome and comes on progressively.
The handling is incredible for a sport tourer.
Capable of huge speeds.


Personally I would have thought none of those traits suggest a brutal hammer.Brutal hammer isn't a detraction from the bike... it's just a metaphor for the weight, the huge torque, and lower state of tune (bhp/cc) when compared to the 'sharp blades' like the GSXR1000 and ZX10Rs of the world. The weight sure does feel low down though... 215kg dry, doesn't feel over 200kg.

[jafa]

:D
Appreciate the comments from an owner! I guess I'd love to ride a truly fast bike, but as with you, I'm very aware of my limitations just yet! You've got to try the Coro, soon! One corner is signposted at 15km/h! That loop gives the upper body a real good workout, I can assure you! I like the fact that on roads such as that, one can have a lot of fun at legal speeds without needing to do 160+. Blackbird may disagree but I think ZX12's and the like would be better suited to places like the back blocks of Reporoa/ Rerewhakaitu, etc. (Oops! Hope I haven't given away someone's secret "private road"!):rockon:

Ooooh yes. The Coro loop is high on my list. I doubt I'll be anywhere near getting my knee down but it'll be an awesome ride regardless (I've drooled over bikes at the Pepper Tree too many times - it's my turn now!)

Anyway, I'm biding my time until I'm 'back in the groove'. I'm sure old man Blackbird would be keen for a cruise... and maybe a cup of tea at the end of it. :D

[Blackbird]

:D
I'm sure old man Blackbird would be keen for a cruise... and maybe a cup of tea at the end of it. :D

Ya cheeky young bugger:nono: Always game for a ride and a cuppa/bite to eat at our place goes without saying for non-lippy people. I'm up there this weekend but most of the w/e is reserved for painting. Too many cages about on a long weekend anyway!

[Lou Girardin]

Have had my GSXR K3 Hit top gear limiter chasing a guy up here on his Busa on a road I know very well & still could only keep up . This road is fairly twisty with alot of up & down corners so yes Busa's handle bloody well freaked be out how fast they can go around tight corner at high speed . They raced the Busa in the USA as well . Just since you asked thought an answer would be nice > :yes:

You're one of the reasons I said few.

[Lou Girardin]

Blabbermouth:nya: I use the big straight from Rainbow Mountain towards Murapara as a personal test track for top speed.

That's brave, the cops always used to use that as a hunting ground.

[Blackbird]

That's brave, the cops always used to use that as a hunting ground.

Yep, no-one should run fast down there after 9am on Sundays. Have never seen any on Saturday mornings. Detectors aren't going to help at those speeds either and there's nowhere to run.

The straights between the Atiamuri Bridge on SH1 and the Whakamaru Dam alongside the river are also good due to low traffic density.

[beyond]

Funnily enough I don't find it frustrating riding a 300km/h missle (ZX12R)... so far! I think it's an odd mix of maturity (yeah, right), a healthy respect for the bike, valuing my drivers licence and fearing an abrupt end to my life that keeps me in check.

Nonetheless, I wandered out to that beautiful straight at the back of Hunua a couple days ago to check out what 'full throttle' felt like. I rode up and down the straight to check all was ok then nailed it in 3rd gear. The word 'ferocity' came to mind. I was doing 220km/h before I knew it. Holy sh*t. On the way home I thought it would be a waste of a bike if I didn't take it to the track at some point... How often can you get away with a blat on the public road before being nabbed?

Anyway, I haven't done the Coro loop yet but don't expect to be doing it at 300km/h. I haven't ridden to any extent yet so can't comment on the handling of the ZX - a 7 year gap between bikes means my confidence and competency needs a little time to warm up...!

Yep, the straight at the back of Hunua is a good un. Bit lumpy in places which is no good at speed as it kind of launches you into the air at precarious moments.
I've had the 1400 up to 253kmh with my face near the dials. Moving a lot of air mass on a naked 1400.
Had 230kmh two up with a larger mate on the back. pretty quick when you have no failring but lots of fun too. :)

[beyond]

:D

Ooooh yes. The Coro loop is high on my list. I doubt I'll be anywhere near getting my knee down but it'll be an awesome ride regardless (I've drooled over bikes at the Pepper Tree too many times - it's my turn now!)

Anyway, I'm biding my time until I'm 'back in the groove'. I'm sure old man Blackbird would be keen for a cruise... and maybe a cup of tea at the end of it. :D

Ohh, the Coro loop. Drool drool, dribble dribble. Here we are stuck at work while the Coro loop beckons once again.
It's got to be the best bit of road in NZ for bikes, especially the bit from Whitianga to Coromandel. :)

Love the Coro Loop. Could do it every weekend, no sweat if commitments and wifey wasn't calling.

[jafa]

Yep, the straight at the back of Hunua is a good un. Bit lumpy in places which is no good at speed as it kind of launches you into the air at precarious moments.
I've had the 1400 up to 253kmh with my face near the dials. Moving a lot of air mass on a naked 1400.
Had 230kmh two up with a larger mate on the back. pretty quick when you have no failring but lots of fun too. :)

Ha ha ha! Yes, damn lumpy in places! I experienced my first (and so far only) tank-slapper on my FZR1000 years ago hooning down that road. Scared the living crap out of me. :shit:

I assume KB organises the occasional track-day? I think a blat now and again on a track may keep my urges in check. I'll keep my eye out, so to speak...

[Titanium]

How about a 250 hp turbo version ..... an $8,000 euro conversion, but.

Or the SBK version ......

cheers

[imdying]

How about a 250 hp turbo version ..... an $8,000 euro conversion, but.

Or the SBK version ......

cheers
Ummm, yes please!

[SPman]

Comparo http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mccompare/06_Rocket_Touring/index.motml

The ZX-14 is clearly a better bike.

All three testers noted its comfort, smooth motor and gearbox, great comfort level and wind protection, as well as the way it accelerates like a bullet train launched off a cliff. It has a smooth, integrated, flowing design that looks great and attracts plenty of attention, and it's got a seamless, well-designed quality to it that befits a flagship-level motorcycle like this. It's the most expensive Kawasaki sportbike at $11,499, and well-heeled consumers expect a flawless and freshly-styled bike to gaze on in their roomy, spotless and well-lit garages. The `Busa was a bit ahead on the twisty roads...

171 BHP vs 159 BHP for the busa.
"
As an all-around motorcycle, the ZX-14 is clearly the best choice, but we have new respect for what is probably one of the best heavyweight sportsters made, a bike deserving of legend status. What is exciting is the thought of an updated Hayabusa for 2007 or 2008, a bike that refines and smoothes the bike to improve power, comfort and braking, but retains the light feel and touch that make the big Suzuki a pleasure to hustle down a twisty road. Until that day, the ZX-14 is the bike to have in this category, although owning a `Busa is still pretty cool. Like in many other categories, you can't go wrong with either Rocket Tourer.

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[Titanium]

If you're comparing lap times, then yes? One thing to note with those Ring times is the top bike. It's clearly not the fastest. That points to a couple of things:
- It's not like for like; some of those bikes may have been race bikes, i.e. race VFR vs std R1?
- The rider at that track is more important, thus those time are really a comparison of riders, not bikes
- Local knowledge at that rack is more important, thus those time are really a comparison of riders, not bikes

So yeah, those prove nothing... You will also note that 'speed' is in hyphens, which indicates that when I've put speed, I don't mean outright speed. Of course if we're comparing lap times, then I guess in your mind is indeed ALL about speed....

Yeah buy the looks of it some might have been race bikes and some not ...

Looks like a mix of Race, Hyper sports, sports tourers .... just like this thread... and about riders..... just lke this thread, racers, sports bike riders, sports tourers .... just like local knowledge of a piece of road that someone on a sports tourer may ride better than some one on a hyper sports who does not now the road.

So it still proves nothing, was not meant to ... was just a bit of information about different bikes and riders on the same road / track. Oh and to show that the BMW K1200S and the rider on that day could hold his own.

[Titanium]

Comparo http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mccompare/06_Rocket_Touring/index.motml

The ZX-14 is clearly a better bike.

All three testers noted its comfort, smooth motor and gearbox, great comfort level and wind protection, as well as the way it accelerates like a bullet train launched off a cliff. It has a smooth, integrated, flowing design that looks great and attracts plenty of attention, and it's got a seamless, well-designed quality to it that befits a flagship-level motorcycle like this. It's the most expensive Kawasaki sportbike at $11,499, and well-heeled consumers expect a flawless and freshly-styled bike to gaze on in their roomy, spotless and well-lit garages. The `Busa was a bit ahead on the twisty roads...

171 BHP vs 159 BHP for the busa.
"
As an all-around motorcycle, the ZX-14 is clearly the best choice, but we have new respect for what is probably one of the best heavyweight sportsters made, a bike deserving of legend status. What is exciting is the thought of an updated Hayabusa for 2007 or 2008, a bike that refines and smoothes the bike to improve power, comfort and braking, but retains the light feel and touch that make the big Suzuki a pleasure to hustle down a twisty road. Until that day, the ZX-14 is the bike to have in this category, although owning a `Busa is still pretty cool. Like in many other categories, you can't go wrong with either Rocket Tourer.

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Best choice of 2 motorcycles....... sweet.

Link to a more comprehensive test posted earlier in this thread

http://www.zx14ninja.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=719

http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=23614&set_time=1147552583

Happy reading.


Peter

[imdying]

Oh and to show that the BMW K1200S and the rider on that day could hold his own.
Hell specs alone show that! She's sure not your 'typical' BMW :D :rockon:

[UrbanMyth]

wow i liked sensies example.Extremely sexy

[marty]

busa is still the bike i yearned for for years. i never thought - 'gee i'd like a kawasaki....'

[Blackbird]

Thought you might be interested in this UK ‘bird. Huge expenditure on Ohlins suspension/forks, racing discs and billets and a TURBO. Talk about no expense spared! Don’t like the colour, but I could live with it! Probably spent more on it than a new bike but magnificently executed.

[Edbear]

Thought you might be interested in this UK ‘bird. Huge expenditure on Ohlins suspension/forks, racing discs and billets and a TURBO. Talk about no expense spared! Don’t like the colour, but I could live with it! Probably spent more on it than a new bike but magnificently executed.




Well and truly 'X' rated...!:gob:

[Blackbird]

Well and truly 'X' rated...!:gob:

Pass the tissues...:blip:

[Blackbird]

This is performance data for 3 of the bikes under discussion. It would be interesting to compare them in detail with the Kawasaki. None of those shown are exactly slow! The testing was done on an ex-RAF runway, not a dragstrip with a higher grip coefficient.

[Zed]

This is performance data for 3 of the bikes under discussion. It would be interesting to compare them in detail with the Kawasaki. None of those shown are exactly slow! The testing was done on an ex-RAF runway, not a dragstrip with a higher grip coefficient.Hi Geoff, great data, do you know what year these bikes were? ZX-12 & Gixxer were close...Blackbird a bit lagging, oh well we knew it would! :spudguita

[Blackbird]

Hi Geoff, great data, do you know what year these bikes were? ZX-12 & Gixxer were close...Blackbird a bit lagging, oh well we knew it would! :spudguita


Hi Matthew

Without tracking the mag down from another part of the house, it was probably around 2001. It was certainly before a catalyser was fitted to the exhaust systems. Both the later 'bird and 'busas had lower power than the earlier models. Not sure about the '12.

Cheers

Geoff

[The Stranger]

This is performance data for 3 of the bikes under discussion. It would be interesting to compare them in detail with the Kawasaki. None of those shown are exactly slow! The testing was done on an ex-RAF runway, not a dragstrip with a higher grip coefficient.

Happened on this site (http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/downloads/carmotorcycleperformancecharts1.htm) which I think is handy, though needs some updating.

Still recon that the Blackbird is pretty damn good considering it is a 10yr old sport tourer.

[Zed]

Still recon that the Blackbird is pretty damn good considering it is a 10yr old sport tourer.Nearly ten years yes. I'll always have a place in my heart for the ole Bird! :yes:

[sugilite]

As hard as I try, I cannot get this character out of my mind when I see photos of the ZX14R! It's from the kids movie Lilo and Stitch.

[The Stranger]

went to see zx14 at mount eden to day left there not convinsed that i should change demo in store mid july i think he said . is there a comparison of the two out there on the web

Went and saw the ZX14 today.
Must say they are not at all a nice looking bike.
Everything about it looks cheap, from the swing arm right through to the gauges.
By contrast both the Busa and Blackbird have a lot more attention to design and detail.
Will be interesting to see if it will stand the test of time as both the others have. I predict it wont.

[Edbear]

Quote from a European test of the ZX14. "...at 290 I changed into top (!!!!) and opened the throttle fully (!!!!!). The bike went to 299 very quickly where the speedo stopped. The tacho kept going though, so the bike is "politically" limited to 299.":blip:

[Lou Girardin]

Quote from a European test of the ZX14. "...at 290 I changed into top (!!!!) and opened the throttle fully (!!!!!). The bike went to 299 very quickly where the speedo stopped. The tacho kept going though, so the bike is "politically" limited to 299.":blip:

If the speedo is typically bike accurate, he was probably doing 270 at an indicated 299.
The good thing about such a high top speed is that you don't have to look at the bug eyed freak for long.

[The_Dover]

The good thing about such a high top speed is that you don't have to look at the bug eyed freak for long.

I thought Quasi decided on a Ducati instead of the ZX14??

Oh well, at least it will only be the bug eyed freak in the mirrors.