Shell Fuel Rip Off

[James Deuce]

The "new formula" is utter rubbish.

I've used 3 tanks of the 96 Octane stuff now, and prior to filling with Shell's "new formula" I was getting between 270 and 275 kms per tank before the fuel gauge started flashing. That was filling at completely random petrol stations.

On the Shell "new formula" 96 Octane petrol I can just squeak to 240kms.

I'll try BP 96 for 3 tanks. I'll let you guys know if it makes a difference.

[snuffles]

come on...... did you really expect the miracle fuel to work.... just like adding Wynns to your tank.

[scumdog]

Use BP Ultimate in my F100, it 'pinks' less and if anything the mpg had improved.

[Edit] I think it's listed as 98 octane.

Downside? It costs more.

[Devil]

I've had the same issue, Jim. Using the shell stuff I've had the worst mileage ever (on the Triumph). Dont have a car anymore so cant try it in that.

[James Deuce]

come on...... did you really expect the miracle fuel to work.... just like adding Wynns to your tank.

No I didn't actually. I didn't expect to get worse mileage though. There was another thread on the miracle Shell formula where it was suggested that people try it out and report back.

[SARGE]

The "new formula" is utter rubbish.

I've used 3 tanks of the 96 Octane stuff now, and prior to filling with Shell's "new formula" I was getting between 270 and 275 kms per tank before the fuel gauge started flashing. That was filling at completely random petrol stations.

On the Shell "new formula" 96 Octane petrol I can just squeak to 240kms.

I'll try BP 96 for 3 tanks. I'll let you guys know if it makes a difference.


stuff all that .. go to Kumeu BP.. bring a can and fill up with the leaded race fuel...

[igor]

Use BP Ultimate in my F100, it 'pinks' less and if anything the mpg had improved.

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I thought u good old boys brewed ya own down there:scooter:

[Toast]

I use 98, pretty certain that it gives me better mileage than standard 96 or 91. Haven't tried the Shell shite, but if it's even worse, don't wanna.

Smells like a corporate PR disaster coming up, they're always fun.

[F5 Dave]

Did you really think they had changed their formula on anything other than the advertising?

Did you really think they don’t all get the gas from the same refinery?

Did you really think they don’t horsetrade & sell to each other when they run out of stock?

Why are you running 96 anyway? Most bikes are setup to run 91 so they can be exported to all markets without changes. Using higher octane will not help & only hinder. Many find this with AvGas on racebikes. ‘course it’s better. Well. . . not often so on a std bike.

If your bike pinks then by all means run higher octane.

The calorific value (energy content) of a higher octane gas may well be lower as there are heaps of aromatics to boost octane. Throttle response may suffer as a result too.

[James Deuce]

Why the hell am I taking flak for sharing information?

You can all get fucked.

[F5 Dave]

Run out of coffee this morning Jim?

[Cibby]

Why the hell am I taking flak for sharing information?

You can all get fucked.



be nice jim

I completely agree with you, i gave the shall fuel two full tanks in my car, and i got about 50kms less on each tank

It is a complete ripoff.

Bastards.

[Edbear]

Easy there, Jim! He's just demonstrating the general cynicism most feel towards the fuel companies. :rockon:

[F5 Dave]

I don’t think they’ve formulated it to be worse. In fact I don’t think they’ve formulated it at all. You get a base gas refined at the best price they can & add aromatics & detergents etc to bring it up a std that they can sell it for, adjusted to whether it is 91, 96 or 98.

The base gas will vary. Also the type of driving or riding you do can vary heinously. I just did a trip (Auckers) in the van & thought “heck the mileage had improved from last time I did it”, but thinking back there was favourable weather (esp compared with last time) & Bec did a bunch of the driving & is less lead footed than me.

+ you can vary the amount of gas you put in quite a bit.

All I’m saying is it is hard to get objective measurements.

[igor]

I don’t think they’ve formulated it to be worse. In fact I don’t think they’ve formulated it at all. You get a base gas refined at the best price they can & add aromatics & detergents etc to bring it up a std that they can sell it for, adjusted to whether it is 91, 96 or 98.

The base gas will vary.

All I’m saying is it is hard to get objective measurements.

i do like the smell of fresh strawberries. do u think they coud add in some strawberry juice so mine would smell of this. and can I kingsize that as well:whocares:

[F5 Dave]

Nah, just add Castrol TTS:blip: yum!


We will see a return of many silly gadgets, pills & additives to boost power & mileage. They make their presence every ten years or so. All are predictably snake oil.

[Edbear]

i do like the smell of fresh strawberries. do u think they coud add in some strawberry juice so mine would smell of this. and can I kingsize that as well:whocares:




Would you like fries with that?:yes:

[igor]

Nah, just add Castrol TTS:blip: yum!


We will see a return of many silly gadgets, pills & additives to boost power & mileage. They make their presence every ten years or so. All are predictably snake oil.

oh silly me for not thinking of this. u r so wise

thank you very much for your assistance

[F5 Dave]

Glad to be so well respected.

Which hopefully will help with sales of my new range of fuel boosting additives that should launch onto the market, ohh, about 2:30 this arvo.

Fist is an elixir made from the slime from eels mixed with black ice. Nothing is slipperier & will reduce friction in you engine by 19.5% while adding ozone to the atmosphere.

Next will be my exhaust pipe add-on turbofan that will increase the power of a shitbox starlet to that of a racing V8. But sadly only to the virtual test vehicle we used to make the claims.
Send money now to. . .

[Swoop]

Why the hell am I taking flak for sharing information?

You can all get fucked.

Jim2, I'm enjoying your posts on the fuel situation. It's great that there are people around who will do research and obtain an independant view from that of the conglomerates marketing gurus.
Keep up the good work!:rockon: :yes:

[kevie]

be nice jim

I completely agree with you, i gave the shall fuel two full tanks in my car, and i got about 50kms less on each tank

It is a complete ripoff.

Bastards.


Went to Hammie in my car yesterday on the new Shell fuel (91 octane).... I recon I used about 1/3 tank more petrol that we would have normally used:nono: .

Wonder if Campbell live would be interested in this lol:blah: :blip:

[Hitcher]

Sounds like good grounds for a formal complaint to the Ministry of Consumer Affairs and the Advertising Standards Authority. A spanking of some magnitude is in order.

[Insanity_rules]

I found the 91 stuff better in my car (by about 16Km's per 40 litre tank) but my bike's now having difficulty cold starting and gets less to a tank. Might try some of the BP stuff in it. Just waiting to get the bash now for getting good fuel results in my car.

My car's NZ new and my Bikes an import. Could that be the difference?

[Toast]

Did you really think they had changed their formula on anything other than the advertising?



Well it seems like they may have changed something, if the building reports of less mileage under roughly the same conditions turn out to be a true indication of the underlying qualities of the gas in question.

[imdying]

stuff all that .. go to Kumeu BP.. bring a can and fill up with the leaded race fuel...Not sure how many bikes in NZ have o2 sensors... but won't leaded fuel root them rather quickly?

[imdying]

Next will be my exhaust pipe add-on turbofan that will increase the power of a shitbox starlet to that of a racing V8. But sadly only to the virtual test vehicle we used to make the claims.
Send money now to. . .Quick Ducatilover!!! This might work on your Spada :lol: :lol:

[SARGE]

Not sure how many bikes in NZ have o2 sensors... but won't leaded fuel root them rather quickly?


that'll teach you to buy a modern bike huh?

[Ixion]

Not sure how many bikes in NZ have o2 sensors... but won't leaded fuel root them rather quickly?

Only BMW as far as I am aware, though that may have changed in the last few years.

[Ixion]

Use BP Ultimate in my F100, it 'pinks' less and if anything the mpg had improved.

[Edit] I think it's listed as 98 octane.

Downside? It costs more.

Could be, could be. But, uh, just by the way, what was the compression ratio in that tank of yours again :whistle:

[ZeroIndex]

so.. what is the best gas to use?

[Paul in NZ]

Glad to be so well respected.

Which hopefully will help with sales of my new range of fuel boosting additives that should launch onto the market, ohh, about 2:30 this arvo.

Fist is an elixir made from the slime from eels mixed with black ice. Nothing is slipperier & will reduce friction in you engine by 19.5% while adding ozone to the atmosphere.

Next will be my exhaust pipe add-on turbofan that will increase the power of a shitbox starlet to that of a racing V8. But sadly only to the virtual test vehicle we used to make the claims.
Send money now to. . .

Bah!

Dave, stick to the technical stuff and leave the marketting to a pro...

Ladies and gents, not only is 'Fist 5' super fuel enhancer (a number in the title makes it technical) an elixir made from the slime from eels mixed with black ice. But the eels are actually ELECTRIC eels thus transforming your normal car into a miserly and super modern planet saving hybrid car allowing you to reap the benefits of the latest advances in automotive technology trends and to hold your head high as you collect the kids from school in your 27 litre SUV...

Still not slippery enough? Well for a limited time, with every 5lt pack of new 'Fist 5' we are giving away our new oil additive - "Fist XP5". This really is made from the slipperiest substance ever discovered by mankind. We have made the entire marketting team from ALL the oil companies redundant and then, ground them up into a smooth paste, added some of Winston Peters hair oil and poured it into a cute take home dispenser designed by Tony Blair. Folks, we have done the research - If you can find anything more slippery than this - we will give you your money back (conditions apply)

[Karma]

If you can find anything more slippery than this - we will give you your money back (conditions apply)

Take your pick...

OJ Simpson or Michael Jackson...

You think anything gets more slippery?

[madboy]

Different bikes are tuned for different gas. As are different cars. My 2002 636 and our 1998 import family wagon both specify and get run on 95+. My old 1989 MX-5 is specified and is run on 91. My last turbo car (a heavily modified 1992 model) ran on 98, and would run but like a sack of shite on 96. The price of mods. My parent's 2001 NZ new car runs 95+.

Age of vehicle is irrelevant to what it is tuned to run on. It comes down to the tune, either factory or aftermarket. In saying that, a lot of cars in particular, will have a computer that can cope with different fuels. It just adjusts tune to account for it.

[Flyingpony]

Why the hell am I taking flak for sharing information?

You can all get xxxxx.

Keep up the good work there Jim2!

Would like to read your results from running BP. I've just filled with Caltex from nearly empty tank (nearest to home since I'd just add meths :drinkup:). Will see how far I get with it. Not sure where next tank will be from, got two months to think about it.

[Paul in NZ]

Take your pick...

OJ Simpson or Michael Jackson...

You think anything gets more slippery?

OJ Simpson? Who would put that in their tank? A tank of OJ? Nah - slippery but no good from a marketting point of view - too fruity...

Michael Jackson? Slippery is not the same as sticky - the man is tacky tacky tacky...

[Karma]

Well ok then... but they really don't get more slippery than this guy;

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[Fatjim]

Speaking of Shell rip off.

Went to the Shell in Johnsonville on sunday to buy a map. Looked to me like the label said $4.95 but the muppet behind the till would only sell it to me for $13.95. Had no choice but to buy it.

Can someone who's local check that they've sorted it out. I told the muppet I'd be back to have a look as I was understandably pissed off.

If they haven't sorted I'm gonna make a special trip to tip them all over the floor so they have to do something about it, and I might make lots of noise too :)

FJ

[Karma]

Had to buy a map? They run outta pies?

[scumdog]

Could be, could be. But, uh, just by the way, what was the compression ratio in that tank of yours again :whistle:

Oh, 10.5 to 1 if I have the 'low-comp' model but COULD be 11 to 1 if I have the year of manufactur wrong.

[Fatjim]

Had to buy a map? They run outta pies?
I needed the map so I could find more pies!

["D" FZ1]

I buy Shell as I can use FlyBuys. I am not getting anymore mileage out of a tank than I did before

[F5 Dave]

I needed the map so I could find more pies!

Open your eyes! EtaNada or whatever it's called is on the main rd of J'vlle over the road from the Wear-house (where everyone gets a bogan).

Anyways, their pies are pretty sharp, I often have one while waiting for a WOF from Richards up the road.
[edit] can't place where the shell is come to think of it, Mob & BP are main rd & Calt around crnr, erm. . .

[Hitcher]

I buy Shell as I can use FlyBuys. I am not getting anymore mileage out of a tank than I did before
But you're getting more Flybuys...

[John Banks]

When exactly was it that people started believing what they see in advertising?

[Krayy]

Why the hell am I taking flak for sharing information?

You can all get fucked.

I can always count on Jim for a good chuckle on a slow arvo.

Embroi-de-ry.......kit-tens, fluffy rabbits....mit-tens (you know the rest)

[Jantar]

I've only had two tanks of the new Shell in the GS1200 so far, and that was mainly commuting. I appear to be getting 5 - 10% less distance from each tank so far, but I'll get a better idea after an extended run.

[sunhuntin]

havent even tried it...and wont. i work for bp, and so buy from them too...only once have i put another companys fuel in scuffys tank.

fatjim....information centers have free maps....ive got a map for every inch of new zealand, all from the information center. i always feel sorry for people who buy maps from us....i do make a point of giving out the free city ones if they are from out of town.

[Titanium]

I have used Shell 96(95) Octane in my company car since March 2005. I drive about 1000 kms a week.

Back in March 05 I was getting 800 kms to 70 ltrs of the stuff........ Their new fuel efficiency formula now gets me a whopping 800 kms to 70 ltrs.

Man I am on to a winner.

Lucky fuel card holder.


Peter

[sedge]

I've been noticing weird mileage... Always use Shell... Last stop on the way home... Sometimes I'll get 180 before the fuel light comes on, sometimes 220... Where did that 40ks of gas go ? I'm not riding any differently ? Maybe riding into the wind ? who knows ? It's a pretty big difference.

IIRC all the petrol companies ship their stuff in, it goes into the same storage tanks, they just put it in different trucks.

So, basically, the petrol companies don't sell the product, only the distribution experience.

Sedge.

[sunhuntin]

sedge...one of the guys that came into work on a bike said riding into the wind burned more fuel....he had to put in more than he expected, so thats maybe where its gone. i dont really keep an accurate record of when i fill/how many k's. generally when i am filling it going on a trip out of town, so fill, travel, return home, burn the remainder off commuting, then fill for travel again.

[sedge]

It's a bit odd though... None of my other bikes were like this ? I've been riding >100ks a day for years on all sorts of bikes.... Maybe it's a v-twin thing ? (first one I've had) Or fuel injected thing ? (first one I've had too)

Only noticed it since March.

But a 20% difference over two days ? Ah well... Maybe the fat bits stick out around the edges on some days more than others...

Sedge.

[DirtMad]

Slightly off topic but the only fuel that didnt cause my cage to register unsuitable knock levels on the ecu was mobil 98 and the gull 95 or 96 or whatever the shit it is... never had much luck on bp,shell,caltex or regular mobil. It was tuned aggresively though, but goes to show you some fuel brands seem to work better in some situations~~~

[ZeroIndex]

I definitely reckon wind has a lot to do with it.. considering when i was on the Hamilton ride on Sunday, with Flux in front of me, I think he had his throttle wide open (kr150), I had mine wide open too, and every time i put my body/head down (minimizing drag), i would gain on him quite a bit

proving: less drag = better fuel consumption

[Skunk]

Can't place where the shell is come to think of it, Mob & BP are main rd & Calt around crnr, erm. . .Shell is across the road from BP. Has Burger Queen attached...
Caltex... there isn't one. Challenge (Caltex in drag) is in Newlands.

[Finn]

4 pages of utter dribble.

If you're going to compare fuels you've got to run tests under a contolled environment. There's no controlled enviroment here on KB. "I once changed into 4th at 8527 rpms instead of my usual 4126 rpm's and had to fill up at Birkenhead instead of Northcote." If you want to start talking about rip offs, start talking about this government who over taxed us 6 billions dollars last year and murders people on waiting lists and teaches 10 year olds who can't count who to spell "Treaty of Waitangi"

[paturoa]

.... this government who over taxed us 6 billions dollars last year and murders people on waiting lists and teaches 10 year olds who can't count who to spell "Treaty of Waitangi"

you starting a new party per chance - got my vote

[ZeroIndex]

4 pages of utter dribble.

If you're going to compare fuels you've got to run tests under a contolled environment. There's no controlled enviroment here on KB. "I once changed into 4th at 8527 rpms instead of my usual 4126 rpm's and had to fill up at Birkenhead instead of Northcote." If you want to start talking about rip offs, start talking about this government who over taxed us 6 billions dollars last year and murders people on waiting lists and teaches 10 year olds who can't count who to spell "Treaty of Waitangi"
yup.. i'm always waiting for this thread to die..

[Finn]

you starting a new party per chance - got my vote

Thought about it but I wouldn't last 5 minutes. Kiwi's would have to be responsible and accountable for their own actions and we know that would go down like Dovers GSX.

[Jantar]

...If you're going to compare fuels you've got to run tests under a contolled environment. ...

We don't ride our bikes under a comtrolled environment. We ride them in all different ways: commuting; touring; hooning; heavy traffic; light traffic etc. We ride in all types of weather conditions and with all types of riding styles.

A test under a controlled environment just tells what fuel is better in that particular environment, not what is better overall. A general feeling that a paticular fuel is better or worse than it used to be can tell us much more than a controlled test.

As I have already said, my feeling is that after two tanks I am getting less mileage per tank than I used to, but I'll reserve judgement until after an extended ride.

[SlowHand]

Well ok then... but they really don't get more slippery than this guy;

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I see your Gresed up guy, and raise you Groundskeeper willy


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[Karma]

I'll see your groundskeeper willie and raise you a (pre jenny craig) kirstie alley...

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[Finn]

We don't ride our bikes under a comtrolled environment. We ride them in all different ways: commuting; touring; hooning; heavy traffic; light traffic etc. We ride in all types of weather conditions and with all types of riding styles.

A test under a controlled environment just tells what fuel is better in that particular environment, not what is better overall. A general feeling that a paticular fuel is better or worse than it used to be can tell us much more than a controlled test.

As I have already said, my feeling is that after two tanks I am getting less mileage per tank than I used to, but I'll reserve judgement until after an extended ride.

My point exactly. Yadda, yadda.

[Finn]

I'll see your groundskeeper willie and raise you a (pre jenny craig) kirstie alley...

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No deal. One more failed audition and Poo's will buy her for milking.

[ZeroIndex]

forget about petrol.. look at my new avatar :D

[oldrider]

We have been paying more attention to our fuel usage in our vehicles for the last couple of years.
The reason being not so much the fuel performance but in order to maximise the (supposed) add on benefits of ,fly buys and cash back on Visa etc.
Being retired we have now got a considerable change in our monthly living costs and income etc so we have been keeping an eye on our financial realities lately.
We live 100km from our nearest service town (Oamaru) and that gives us a long enough run on our vehicles to get a fairly reliable check each time we use them, we also use Shell for the fly byes.
I won't drive the car unless I absolutely have to, that's her department so there is not much driver change.
Oddly enough we had noted that the car seemed to be doing very well on fuel and that was before we ever even had the slightest idea there was any change claimed to the fuel.
The change was noticeable enough for me to start experimenting with the fuels for my bike my bike more for performance than for the cost at that stage.
When you only have 650cc and limited horse power you want as many working for you as possible.
The conclusion I had come to prior to any knowledge of any change to the fuel was that we seemed to be getting slightly better mileage in the car.
I had been complimenting her on her economical driving!
The bike is an unknown quantity because I change fuels too much and am too erratic on how I ride it. Seems to go pretty well on BP98 but shit, $$ hurt.
Well that's just my two pence worth, back to the asylum. :bye: Cheers John.

[Finn]

John, it's also winter and combustion engines use less fuel in the cold. Don't go buying her any chocolates yet.

[kickingzebra]

Went to Hammie in my car yesterday on the new Shell fuel (91 octane).... I recon I used about 1/3 tank more petrol that we would have normally used:nono: .

Wonder if Campbell live would be interested in this lol:blah: :blip:
Dopey bugger!! should have come and said hello!!

And my bike with the ignition advanced, and the valve shims worn, pinks like hell, and funnily enough the most stable fuel (ie least pinking) seems to be mobil 98, though I haven't tried gull yet.
Shell 95 econoshit runs worse, but as my riding is variable as anything, I won't blame the BP 98 I used at the track day for getting less than 10 kms per litre.
I blame the subway lunch.

[ZeroIndex]

Dopey bugger!! should have come and said hello!!
haha.. I live like.. 1km from you.. if no-one else will visit you, I'll come visit sometime.. and curiousity makes me want to see that Quasi tattoo..

[kickingzebra]

Kevie knew me when I was knee high to a grass hopper!
Crazy man that one (in the good sense)
I'll post a photo of it in a few days when it has healed properly.

[Pixie]

Sounds like several cases of:"Mmm,I'll try this new fuel...see if it's any good.Now let's wack the throttle open to see if gives more power..."

[Devil]

Sounds like several cases of:"Mmm,I'll try this new fuel...see if it's any good.Now let's wack the throttle open to see if gives more power..."
Nerp. Not in my case anyway. Same old commute, lower mileage on more than one tank. Switched back to 98 and if anything, actually rode it harder and still got better mileage.

[James Deuce]

Nah Pixie, it's all been commuting and I've done my best NOT to think about what I'm doing, and just ride like I always do.

This last tank of Shell 96 looks like it's not even going to get to 220kms and then I start the BP 96 experiment, followed by the Shell91, BP91, and then BP98 and Mobil 8000 phases of three tanks each.

[Karma]

Good old Jim... taking one for the cause...

Honestly, I only use 98 where possible, usually fill at the same garage all the time so it ain't a hassle... if I'm out on a ride then it'll be whatever 95/96 stuff I can find.

Not sure about the cruiser bikes, but my ZXR400 doesn't like anything less than 96, it'll run on it sure, but doesn't like it at all...

[Lou Girardin]

Nah Pixie, it's all been commuting and I've done my best NOT to think about what I'm doing, and just ride like I always do.

This last tank of Shell 96 looks like it's not even going to get to 220kms and then I start the BP 96 experiment, followed by the Shell91, BP91, and then BP98 and Mobil 8000 phases of three tanks each.


Do you note the colour and bouquet, then swill it in your mouth and spit?
Or just guzzle the whole glass?

[James Deuce]

I put a couple of drops on sensitive bare skin and note how long it takes to discolour and for the burning, and the blistering, and the unholy screaming to start.

[Cajun]

Okay i have recoreded every fuel recipt since i brought my bike 2+ years ago(28,000kms). for past month i have been fulling up with shell, and no change in fuel milage, commute the same way i always do, (bear in mind i only use 91 in the banana bike)

[James Deuce]

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BP 96 starts today. In about 4 weeks I'll start Shell 91. The variation in tank range is insignificant, but is vastly different to my normal 270kms on whatever 91 I normally chuck in.

The figures are taken from fill up to fuel gauge flashing and are on average about 12% less mileage than normal.

[kevie]

Kevie knew me when I was knee high to a grass hopper!
Crazy man that one (in the good sense)
I'll post a photo of it in a few days when it has healed properly.


Actually .... I think I knew you when you were still in nappies :yawn: LMAO .... dam .... wheres that barebum pic I had of you :gob: hahahahahaha

me crazy :blah: ????? OI ....I resemble ...... I mean resent that comment :nya:

[James Deuce]

It appears that most BP stations no longer stock the mid range octane level fuels. They are either solely 91, or a mix of 91 and 98. So I did three tanks of BP 91 instead.

I've started Mobil 95 this morning.

<table x:str="" style="border-collapse: collapse; width: 397pt;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="528"><col style="width: 71pt;" width="95"> <col style="width: 85pt;" width="113"> <col style="width: 92pt;" width="122"> <col style="width: 101pt;" width="134"> <col style="width: 48pt;" width="64"> <tbody><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt; width: 71pt;" height="17" width="95">Date</td> <td class="xl32" style="width: 85pt;" width="113">Fuel Type</td> <td class="xl30" style="border-left: medium none; width: 92pt;" width="122">Litres Purchased</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-left: medium none; width: 101pt;" width="134">kms</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-left: medium none; width: 48pt;" width="64">km/l</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38835" height="17">28/04/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">Shell 95</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">16.2</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">241.3</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="14.895061728395063" x:fmla="=D2/C2">14.90</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38845" height="17">8/05/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">Shell 95</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">15.9</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">239.3</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.050314465408805" x:fmla="=D3/C3">15.05</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38860" height="17">23/05/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">Shell 95</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">16.1</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">235.9</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="14.652173913043477" x:fmla="=D4/C4">14.65</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38868" height="17">31/05/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">BP 91</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.33">15.3</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">261.33</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="17.046966731898237" x:fmla="=D5/C5">17.05</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38874" height="17">6/06/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">BP 91</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.33">15.3</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">261.33</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="17.046966731898237" x:fmla="=D6/C6">17.05</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38877" height="17">9/06/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">BP 91</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.33">15.3</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">261.33</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="17.046966731898237" x:fmla="=D7/C7">17.05</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38883" height="17">15/06/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">Mobil 95</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.13">15.1</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">0</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="" x:fmla="=D8/C8">0.00</td> </tr> </tbody></table>
I spent a week off work, and consequently did a great deal more mileage, plus I wasn't able to keep accurate records (BP don't put the number of litres purchased on the receipt) , so I've averaged my fuel consumption over the distance travelled, with some educated guesses at fuel amount bought. The first tank of BP91 was all commuting, the 2nd was all Uncle B pace backroads riding, and the third is a mix of touring and commuting. I was expecting the fuel consumption to be worse than the Shell 95 overall, thanks to some injudicious throttle usage.

[bell]

Good one Jim. As a new Z750 owner it's going to be helpful to use these figures as a bit of a guide. Got my Full licence yesterday, jumped off the 250, went inside made the call to the insurance co, raced back outside and onto the Z for my first spin. Couldn't wipe the grin off my face for about 3 hours! (The 750 has been almost 6 weeks at my place without a ride....biggest test of my patience yet!)

[Titanium]

I have used Shell 96 since March 2005, travelled 50,000 kms between Auckland and Hamilton during that time.

In March 2005 I was achieving 800 kms to 70 ltrs, Nissan Maxima, In June 2006, I still achieve 800 kms to 70 ltrs.

Have not changed my driving in that time, use a fuel card and have checked that every month it is the same kms per ltr etc.

Shell fuel economy formula is a crock of $hit. :yes:

[Gremlin]

When did the new fuel come in?? I have all my fuel usage and data from when I got the bike in mid-Jan, so can provide all of that...

[aiki]

I've used them all and my milage always varies, too many variables in riding. Just watch out you know the price before you pump as BP and Mobil don't advertise they sell 98 at a premium price. :tugger:
I would like to know from someone clever if they think I can run my 1400 Suzuki 06 cruiser on 91 without loss of power etc.:confused:

[sAsLEX]

(BP don't put the number of litres purchased on the receipt)

They used to! Did you ask specifically for a fuel reciept? thats what i had to do when i was following the mileage of the cbr

[inlinefour]

The "new formula" is utter rubbish.

I've used 3 tanks of the 96 Octane stuff now, and prior to filling with Shell's "new formula" I was getting between 270 and 275 kms per tank before the fuel gauge started flashing. That was filling at completely random petrol stations.

On the Shell "new formula" 96 Octane petrol I can just squeak to 240kms.

I'll try BP 96 for 3 tanks. I'll let you guys know if it makes a difference.

I asked an attendant while on holiday if they really thought that the "new improved formula" made any difference. I was met with the reply "do I look stupid"? Kinda says it all for me really...

[James Deuce]

I've used them all and my milage always varies, too many variables in riding. Just watch out you know the price before you pump as BP and Mobil don't advertise they sell 98 at a premium price. :tugger:
I would like to know from someone clever if they think I can run my 1400 Suzuki 06 cruiser on 91 without loss of power etc.:confused:

Your cruiser will run on 91 just fine.

Yes there are variables in riding and driving, but it tends to average out over time. I'd always run mine on 91 until this little voice told me to test out some manufacturer claims, and I have to say the bike runs better on 91 in general, and I think once I've gone through 20 or so tanks of gas it will be apparent that I'm getting better mileage out of any old brand 91, irrespective of magic formulas, spurious claims about the benefits of higher octane fuel, and petrol station colour schemes.

[James Deuce]

Date Fuel Type Litres Purchased kms km/l
28/04/2006 Shell 95 16.2 241.3 14.90
8/05/2006 Shell 95 15.9 239.3 15.05
23/05/2006 Shell 95 16.1 235.9 14.65
31/05/2006 BP 91 15.3 261.33 17.05
6/06/2006 BP 91 15.3 261.33 17.05
9/06/2006 BP 91 15.3 261.33 17.05
15/06/2006 Mobil 95 15.1 234.5 15.50



I'm seeing a pattern emerge that has nothing to do with brand, and everything to do with running your bike on the fuel the manufacturer intended.

*Please excuse the formatting. Not using my own PC and stupid IE doesn't do elegant table inserts like Firefox does.

[Dafe]

When exactly was it that people started believing what they see in advertising?

Probably since the introduction of the consumers rights act.

[Dafe]

Date Fuel Type Litres Purchased kms km/l
28/04/2006 Shell 95 16.2 241.3 14.90
8/05/2006 Shell 95 15.9 239.3 15.05
23/05/2006 Shell 95 16.1 235.9 14.65
31/05/2006 BP 91 15.3 261.33 17.05
6/06/2006 BP 91 15.3 261.33 17.05
9/06/2006 BP 91 15.3 261.33 17.05
15/06/2006 Mobil 95 15.1 234.5 15.50



I'm seeing a pattern emerge that has nothing to do with brand, and everything to do with running your bike on the fuel the manufacturer intended.

*Please excuse the formatting. Not using my own PC and stupid IE doesn't do elegant table inserts like Firefox does.

Why don't you fire your figures at Shell and ask for an explanation.
Better yet: Pass them onto fair go as well.

Good work on the figures too.

[quackquack]

I have to say I use the BP 98 and it works far better than the Shell would be interesting if you tried Gull they used to have gas from singapore that was far better than the competitors. Does anyone know if they have gone back to the pack.

[Hitcher]

I have to say I use the BP 98 and it works far better than the Shell would be interesting if you tried Gull they used to have gas from singapore that was far better than the competitors. Does anyone know if they have gone back to the pack.
Given that Gull appears to be pumping gas at exactly the same prices as everybody else, I think there is a very strong chance that their products come from the same place.

[riffer]

Hey quackquack I've recently switched to BP98 and I've noticed much better performance and fuel economy as well.

Mine runs like a dog on 91.

[bell]

Why don't you fire your figures at Shell and ask for an explanation.
Better yet: Pass them onto fair go as well.

Good work on the figures too.

I like the "Fair Go" idea (even if their attempts at humour suck). Might be a good opportunity for some +ve biking messages to be put across too?

[James Deuce]

<table x:str="" style="border-collapse: collapse; width: 397pt;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="528"><col style="width: 71pt;" width="95"> <col style="width: 85pt;" width="113"> <col style="width: 92pt;" width="122"> <col style="width: 101pt;" width="134"> <col style="width: 48pt;" width="64"> <tbody><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt; width: 71pt;" height="17" width="95">Date</td> <td class="xl32" style="width: 85pt;" width="113">Fuel Type</td> <td class="xl30" style="border-left: medium none; width: 92pt;" width="122">Litres Purchased</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-left: medium none; width: 101pt;" width="134">kms</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-left: medium none; width: 48pt;" width="64">km/l</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38835" height="17">28/04/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">Shell 95</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">16.2</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">241.3</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="14.895061728395063" x:fmla="=D2/C2">14.90</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38845" height="17">8/05/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">Shell 95</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">15.9</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">239.3</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.050314465408805" x:fmla="=D3/C3">15.05</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38860" height="17">23/05/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">Shell 95</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">16.1</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">235.9</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="14.652173913043477" x:fmla="=D4/C4">14.65</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38868" height="17">31/05/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">BP 91</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.33">15.3</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">261.33</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="17.046966731898237" x:fmla="=D5/C5">17.05</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38874" height="17">6/06/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">BP 91</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.33">15.3</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">261.33</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="17.046966731898237" x:fmla="=D6/C6">17.05</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38877" height="17">9/06/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">BP 91</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.33">15.3</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">261.33</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="17.046966731898237" x:fmla="=D7/C7">17.05</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38883" height="17">15/06/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">Mobil 95</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.13">15.1</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">234.5</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.499008592200925" x:fmla="=D8/C8">15.50</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38896" height="17">28/06/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">Mobil 95</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="16.76">16.8</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">284.9</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="16.998806682577563" x:fmla="=D9/C9">17.00</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38911" height="17">13/07/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">Mobil 95</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">15.3</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">245.4</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="16.03921568627451" x:fmla="=D10/C10">16.04</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38925" height="17">27/07/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">Shell 91</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">14.9</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">230.1</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.442953020134228" x:fmla="=D11/C11">15.44</td> </tr> </tbody></table>

[Hitcher]

BP 91 looks like the go.

[Flyingpony]

Will you be doing Caltex too?
Definitely looks like BP is the go, but for me it's bit out of the way. But Caltex I ride past daily as well as Shell. Used to ride passed Mobil too but I think Mobil itself is closing down and exiting NZ because all Mobil outlets that I know are now closed.

[Karma]

Stuff...

Good stuff there Jim, however, I'd ask how much fun it was to ride the bike when it was on 91?

Did you notice any difference in power or accelleration?

[James Deuce]

The bike actually runs nicer on 91 than 95. 95 is a bit rough in the midrange with a more pronounced loss of power in the factory designed lean rpm range.

[James Deuce]

Will you be doing Caltex too?
Definitely looks like BP is the go, but for me it's bit out of the way. But Caltex I ride past daily as well as Shell. Used to ride passed Mobil too but I think Mobil itself is closing down and exiting NZ because all Mobil outlets that I know are now closed.

Yep. I'm doing the easily located ones first. Caltex is in odd places around Wellington.

We certainly aren't experiencing closing Mobil stations though. Are you sure they aren't closing because the Service Station operators can't afford to replace their storage tanks?

[snuffles]

Geeez, I thought hsi thread was long dead, have I not warned you people, if you get Jim started, you may not nbe able to stop him.....:yes:

[Squeak the Rat]

I like those figures because it validates a "feeling" i had that both my vehicles prefer BP over Shell (my two nearest fill-ups)..... I guess if you can get motorists using more gas per km/hr then it's good for business - until some smart-arse comes along and works it out. :)

Of course shell wouldn't do that on purpose now....would they?


Go to hell? Go shell.....

[James Deuce]

The BP figures are averaged, but overall it looks better doesn't it?

[The Pastor]

Seems strange to me that the bp figures are all the same (if you averaged it out you would get 1 result...)

Did you try bp98?

[James Deuce]

Sorry renegade, I explained in an earlier post why I averaged. I was on leave the week I did those three tanks and the stations I visited didn't give receipts with the litres purchased detailed..

It was a bit of a bugger because it makes the figures look dodgy. Sorry about that.

[The Pastor]

No worries, Its good your keeping record.

I fill up with (any) 91 and always get 200kms per tank (20L tank :O) i'll fill up with 98 as soon as I get payed and see if that makes a differance, then work out if paying that little bit more for the extra km is cheaper than paying for the cheaper gas....

what the hell.

I just worked it out (1.76 for 91 and 1.86 for 98 - can someone check that?) and 20L at 1.76 = $35 and 20L at 1.86 = $37!


THATS ONLY $2 bucks YOU CHEAP BASTERDS!

[Karma]

May get extra distance from 91, but 98 is more bang for the buck... still only costs $20 odd to fill the tank so who cares eh?

[Jantar]

Like Jim2 I have been keeping a record of Fuel consumption to compare Shell with other brands.

My results to date are:

Fuel type Litres Distance Km/l Average

Unknown 20.29 288 14.19 14.19
Shell 91 19.21 288 14.99
Shell 91 17.64 230 13.04
Shell 91 15.26 245 16.06 14.70
Caltex 91 16.99 253 14.89
Caltex 91 6.45 84 13.02
Caltex 91 18.00 260 14.44 14.12

Because my second fill with Caltex was only a top-up I'm currently giving it one extra tank of Caltex 91 before going back to Shell 95. The top-up was because I'd just fitted a center stand to the bike, and I believe that it may allow me to get an extra half litre or so into the tank.

[scumdog]

Like Jim2 I have been keeping a record of Fuel consumption to compare Shell with other brands.

My results to date are:

Fuel type Litres Distance Km/l Average

Unknown 20.29 288 14.19 14.19
Shell 91 19.21 288 14.99
Shell 91 17.64 230 13.04
Shell 91 15.26 245 16.06 14.70
Caltex 91 16.99 253 14.89
Caltex 91 6.45 84 13.02
Caltex 91 18.00 260 14.44 14.12

Because my second fill with Caltex was only a top-up I'm currently giving it one extra tank of Caltex 91 before going back to Shell 95. The top-up was because I'd just fitted a center stand to the bike, and I believe that it may allow me to get an extra half litre or so into the tank.

Is there a typo Malcolm, no mention of Shell 95 in the above columns.

[Jantar]

Is there a typo Malcolm, no mention of Shell 95 in the above columns.
Shell 95 will be my next 3 fills, then Caltex 95.

[Squiggles]

i avoid shell at all costs, ended up with water in the system a while back after filling there... thought it might've gotten in there some other way but i went back and had the same problem :gob:

[quickbuck]

I found the best way to improve my fuel economy was to loose 25kg in weight. Constantly get 145 miles out of 12 litres now.
I find BP98 is the best for my bike, closely followed by Mobil 8000.

[James Deuce]

I found the best way to improve my fuel economy was to loose 25kg in weight.

Bastard. I could do 7kg of unsightly fat by cutting my head off.

[quickbuck]

Bastard. I could do 7kg of unsightly fat by cutting my head off.

Makes riding a bit tricky though.

[raster]

Can someone try Gull on these tests, or don't they have them down your's way.
When I had my oilburner the Gull Diesel was heaps better(imported), also has only 300ppm sulfer when all the others thort they were really cool when they got their down to 3000 ppm sulfer.

I get 450Ks/ Tank of 98 in my Subaru, tried 91 and only got 400Ks and didn't run right.

ZZR 400 98 gas 190Ks, 91 gas 235Ks/tank, same amount of fuel.

I have found if I put my bike on the centre stand when filling I get more ks to a tank.

[scumdog]

Using 98 ultimate in my '55 F100 hot-rod 'lorry' I get 18mpg (you young guys will have to figure it out) which is pretty much the same as a turbo 2006 Ford Explorer - with a SHITLOAD more horsepower and torque.

Won't even run on 91.

[SuperDave]

I've been using 91 in the Gixxer since I bought it, havn't had any hassles as a result, though in saying that I havn't actually tried 96 or 98 to compare. Get about 250kms off a tank full of 91.

[James Deuce]

Makes riding a bit tricky though.

Saves on Helmets and earplugs.

[sunhuntin]

Can someone try Gull on these tests, or don't they have them down your's way.
When I had my oilburner the Gull Diesel was heaps better(imported), also has only 300ppm sulfer when all the others thort they were really cool when they got their down to 3000 ppm sulfer.

I get 450Ks/ Tank of 98 in my Subaru, tried 91 and only got 400Ks and didn't run right.

ZZR 400 98 gas 190Ks, 91 gas 235Ks/tank, same amount of fuel.

I have found if I put my bike on the centre stand when filling I get more ks to a tank.

theres a gull in my town, but i dont trust them. i run on bp 91 and generally get 262k to a tank [reset tripmeter each fill] havent tried any other grade or station [least not enough to get proper comparisons] so not sure. i think 95+ would funk up my bike since she isnt tuned for anything other than 91. even when i have to use a different station/brand, im more intune with the bike at those times, feeling for any changes in the running.

[quickbuck]

Running 95 in the Ginny will not hurt it. There just be no advantage, that's all.:yes:

[Hitcher]

Can someone try Gull on these tests, or don't they have them down your's way.

When they first set up in New Zealand, Gull imported their own petrol and diesel. The diesel was best-of-breed low sulphur stuff. No longer. Gull's fuel comes out of the same rust-plated refinery as everybody elses. That's why it is exactly the same price. Shame really.

[snuffles]

Bastard. I could do 7kg of unsightly fat by cutting my head off.

How would that help you loose the rest of the unsightly fat?

[James Deuce]

Much worse fuel consumption figures with Shell 91. I shall be avoiding it where I can.

<table x:str="" style="border-collapse: collapse; width: 531pt;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="707"><col style="width: 71pt;" width="95"> <col style="width: 85pt;" width="113"> <col style="width: 92pt;" width="122"> <col style="width: 101pt;" width="134"> <col style="width: 48pt;" width="64"> <col style="width: 134pt;" width="179"> <tbody><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl24" style="height: 12.75pt; width: 71pt;" height="17" width="95">Date</td> <td class="xl32" style="width: 85pt;" width="113">Fuel Type</td> <td class="xl30" style="border-left: medium none; width: 92pt;" width="122">Litres Purchased</td> <td class="xl25" style="border-left: medium none; width: 101pt;" width="134">kms</td> <td class="xl26" style="border-left: medium none; width: 48pt;" width="64">km/l</td> <td class="xl34" style="border-left: medium none; width: 134pt;" width="179">Total for Company Sampled</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38835" height="17">28/04/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">Shell 95</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">16.2</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">241.3</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="14.895061728395063" x:fmla="=D2/C2">14.90</td> <td class="xl35" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;"> </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38845" height="17">8/05/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">Shell 95</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">15.9</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">239.3</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.050314465408805" x:fmla="=D3/C3">15.05</td> <td class="xl36" style="border-left: medium none;"> </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38860" height="17">23/05/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">Shell 95</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">16.1</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">235.9</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="14.652173913043477" x:fmla="=D4/C4">14.65</td> <td class="xl37" style="border-left: medium none;" x:num="" x:fmla="=D4+D3+D2" align="right">716.5</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38868" height="17">31/05/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">BP 91</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.33">15.3</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">261.33</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="17.046966731898237" x:fmla="=D5/C5">17.05</td> <td class="xl35" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;"> </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38874" height="17">6/06/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">BP 91</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.33">15.3</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">261.33</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="17.046966731898237" x:fmla="=D6/C6">17.05</td> <td class="xl36" style="border-left: medium none;"> </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38877" height="17">9/06/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">BP 91</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.33">15.3</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">261.33</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="17.046966731898237" x:fmla="=D7/C7">17.05</td> <td class="xl37" style="border-left: medium none;" x:num="" x:fmla="=D7+D6+D5" align="right">783.99</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38883" height="17">15/06/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">Mobil 95</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.13">15.1</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">234.5</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.499008592200925" x:fmla="=D8/C8">15.50</td> <td class="xl35" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;"> </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38896" height="17">28/06/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">Mobil 95</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="16.76">16.8</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">284.9</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="16.998806682577563" x:fmla="=D9/C9">17.00</td> <td class="xl36" style="border-left: medium none;"> </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38911" height="17">13/07/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">Mobil 95</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">15.3</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">245.4</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="16.03921568627451" x:fmla="=D10/C10">16.04</td> <td class="xl37" style="border-left: medium none;" x:num="" x:fmla="=D10+D9+D8" align="right">764.8</td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38925" height="17">27/07/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">Shell 91</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">14.9</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">230.1</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.442953020134228" x:fmla="=D11/C11">15.44</td> <td class="xl35" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;"> </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38937" height="17">8/08/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">Shell 91</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.55">15.6</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">234.5</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.080385852090032" x:fmla="=D12/C12">15.08</td> <td class="xl36" style="border-left: medium none;"> </td> </tr> <tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"> <td class="xl27" style="border-top: medium none; height: 12.75pt;" x:num="38911" height="17">13/07/2006</td> <td class="xl33" style="border-top: medium none;">Shell 91</td> <td class="xl31" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="15.46">15.5</td> <td class="xl28" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="">230.1</td> <td class="xl29" style="border-top: medium none; border-left: medium none;" x:num="14.883570504527812" x:fmla="=D13/C13">14.88</td> <td class="xl37" style="border-left: medium none;" x:num="" x:fmla="=D13+D12+D11" align="right">694.7</td> </tr> </tbody></table>

[James Deuce]

I've had a crap couple of months and haven't been riding much, so I haven't been keeping good records.

Just started Caltex last weekend.

[craigs288]

I thought that shell also recommended how you should drive in order to get maximum benefits from their 'new' (10% ethanol) formula.

It involves things like taking off as slowly as possible and barely touching the accelerator. Duh?! That alone will save you lots of gas, regardless of what it is made of. Could explain why it seems to take about 200metres for the cagers to leave the lights and get to 50km/h.

The higher calorific content (energy) of ethanol means that technically you get more heat and therefore more push on the piston, and should be able to use less gas to get the push you need. That's ignoring the fact that a stoichiometric burn for ethanol is richer than for petrol, so you burn more ethanol anyway.

Octane and mileage. I have driven my cage ( shame, shame!) the same way to Taupo and back many times, cruise control on 105km/h. (mostly to shut my missus up). If I fill to the petrol cap (which I do) with BP91 I just get home after 600km round trip. If I use BP98 I get back with about 100kms of gas left in the tank.

Mostly because the 9.3:1 compression in my 1995 falcon isnt high enough to completely burn the 98 fuel, the O2 sensor read this as rich and leans it out.
This puts less fuel into the engine, and produces a leaner (hotter) burn, both of which contribute to better mileage.

[Cajun]

i use shell (due to bike now taking more than $20 each fill up i can get fly buys)

my average is for normally communting is 16l/km on the 600.

I noticed after my sprocket change my fuel milage went up, but have now adjusted riding with new sprocket so its drop back again

[terbang]

Here is another gripe about Shell. Out of the airport on any evening after about 9ish I notice the shell stations are all on 'pay in advance' . Now I often pay with cash so its wander in, give the guy money, wander out and fuel it, oh bugger it didn't take $20 worth. Either donate to them or wander back in to get the change..They say its because there are lots of people doing runners. Well I aint their security company so, unless I'm running it a bit short, I will just drive through to the next station that allows me to self serve and then pay.

[Ixion]

Mutter. Mutter. Gripe. Grumble. We HATES prepay. Hates it. Hates hates hates.

Seems almost universal at night now (which is generally when I fill up). Nowdays I just wander in "Bike. Wotcha gonna do. Dunno how much it'll take, no fuel gauge. On credit card. You wanta have to do a credit card reverse charge? No, thought not, so turn the pump on"

They hate having to do a credit card reversal. Though I have encountered TWO who simply refused to refund the overage! "Buy something else" :angry2:

Still a pain though means you have to wait in line twice instead of once. And as they tend to get shitty about walking in with helmet on, you are then stuck with the problem of where to put the helmet while filling. Not on the dirty ground that's for sure. I've taken to giving it to the counter jockey and telling him he's responsible for it. Since they have no storage facility for it!. They don't like that but I reckon it's fair enough, there's nowhere to put it down, and I can't juggle pump nozzle, holding bike vertical and helmet all at once.

If petrol stations are going to demand prepay they need to sort out a system that works. The only reason its a problem is because they've removed all the "service" so there's no one on the forecourt.

[Blackbird]

Mutter. Mutter. Gripe. Grumble. We HATES prepay. Hates it. Hates hates hates.

Seems almost universal at night now (which is generally when I fill up). Nowdays I just wander in "Bike. Wotcha gonna do. Dunno how much it'll take, no fuel gauge. On credit card. You wanta have to do a credit card reverse charge? No, thought not, so turn the pump on"



That's because you're a bunch of crims up there:whistle: No prepay in our area.:calm:

[Swoop]

The only reason its a problem is because they've removed all the "service" so there's no one on the forecourt.
Remember when petrol was cheaper if you went to a "self serve" station over one that has "full service"? The service has disapperared, as you say Ixion, also without a reduction in the cost of fuel. We seem to be paying them for the "honour" of doing the work ourselves.

I also note the trend to rebuild the interiors of petrol stations every 2-3 years. Obviously "fashion" is important in the oil industry...

[sAsLEX]

They hate having to do a credit card reversal. Though I have encountered TWO who simply refused to refund the overage! "Buy something else" :angry2:


pour the petrol on the pump and as you ride off flick a match!

You paid for it!

[Forest]

i do like the smell of fresh strawberries. do u think they coud add in some strawberry juice so mine would smell of this. and can I kingsize that as well:whocares:

I know you were joking but such a product exists for you!! They're called fuel fragrances - hot rod folks add them to the fuel and it changes the smell of the exhaust.

Here is a typical selection (google "fuel fragrances" for more choices):

Fuel fragrances (http://www.liquidhorsepower.com/fuel-fragrances.php).

[ManDownUnder]

I know you were joking but such a product exists for you!! They're called fuel fragrances - hot rod folks add them to the fuel and it changes the smell of the exhaust.

Here is a typical selection (google "fuel frangrances" for more choices):

Fuel fragrances (http://www.liquidhorsepower.com/fuel-fragrances.php).

Where's "Vindaloo Revenge"? The one that makes it smell like I shat myself...

[Forest]

They hate having to do a credit card reversal. Though I have encountered TWO who simply refused to refund the overage! "Buy something else" :angry2:


If a cashier tried that with me, I'd call the police. Not giving change is theft.