Cagers and roundabouts..

[ZeroIndex]

Why the hell are cagers such stupid idiots..
Last night, on my way to church, heading over the Boundary Road bridge (Hamilton), get to the roundabout (eastern side of the river), get halfway through it, and some stupid red mazda 323 hatchback (or something like that) drives straight in front of me..

hit the brakes, rear locks, and slides out a bit.. my left hand, which forgets about the clutch, subconciously finds the horn, which when I came to a stop, half a metre from the car, was still firmly holding the horn down..

I then take my thumb of the horn, my hand just lifts off the left handlebar, and my middle finger just stares blatently at the dolt sitting in the now-stationary red cage..

He then just drives off, without a word of apology.. I then start up my bike again, and finish my ride..

I was wearing my QUASiMOTO t-shirt last night, which I think had something to do with me not hitting the car.. Thanks Quasi :)

[buellbabe]

What I'm hating about people at roundabouts is this new thing of indicating left then right and yet they are going STRAIGHT thru! What gives?? The potential for a f**kup is HUGE.

[ZeroIndex]

What I'm hating about people at roundabouts is this new thing of indicating left then right and yet they are going STRAIGHT thru! What gives?? The potential for a f**kup is HUGE.
If I indicate, when going straight through, it's only the left, to say I'm exiting.. but that's only if it's bigger than a 2.5 lanes: - meaning you actually have to turn to get to the other side, that it's not just a straight-through style roundabout

[buellbabe]

Yeah that makes sense but I am talking about ordinary single lane roundabouts, I am seeing it happen alot. In fact only the other day the car on my right indicated left so I went... only to find them too close for comfort ( and beeping at me... to which they got the finger ) cos the driver was actually going straight thru!

[ajturbo]

just a point here......:wait:





why is it that ONLY people from the Auckland area are complaining about this???:nya:

[pzkpfw]

The "new" rules make perfect sense.

The problem is the dolts who don't understand.

(Who is doing that "indicating left then right" when going straight thing? That's wrong in ANY case).


I've had people going straight, indicate right (instead of left) when exiting... so I gave way when I didn't need to.

I've had people turning right, flick on their RHS indicator just as they apex... so I could have already decided they are probably going straight, and not give way.

I've had people indicate left for their exit, when going straight, before they've even passed the actual left hand turn... so I could have not given way when I should have.

etc.

As with anything, I assume everybody is at least as stupid as me, and give way until I can really see where they are going. (Unless I'm sure I can just go without waiting...).

Cheers,

[Wasp]

one of my pet peeves is cars that find it too "hard" (or whatever other reason) to fucking indicate out of the roundabout!

i tell all my mates off: "If i can do it at 50km/h and 45 degrees with a tiny plastic knob......"

[Motu]

If you are on a bike and rely on cars indicating on roundabouts to know where they are going - you are dead meat.....

[ZeroIndex]

just a point here......:wait:





why is it that ONLY people from the Auckland area are complaining about this???:nya:
:Oi: i'm from Hamilton, and I started this thread..

..but in final note.. to sort out the problem, they should just remove all cages from the road

[twinkle]

..but in final note.. to sort out the problem, they should just remove all cages from the road

I can imagine the carnage resulting from the same bunch of idiots switching to motorbikes once their cars are gone :crazy: mind you i'd rather be knocked off by a bike than a car.

[ZeroIndex]

I can imagine the carnage resulting from the same bunch of idiots switching to motorbikes once their cars are gone :crazy: mind you i'd rather be knocked off by a bike than a car.
i wasn't meaning take cars off the road, and move all drivers to bikes.. i was meaning, everyone that has a bike license keeps their license, and everyone else can take the bus or walk :D

[Str8 Jacket]

:Oi: i'm from Hamilton, and I started this thread..




Well Hamilton is practically a part of Auckland now... :wait:

[ZeroIndex]

..and if the world got even better, they could change all the main bike roads to motoGP spec (nice smooth and grippy)

[brianemone]

Which church were you headed to?? Might have been God trying to tell you something??

[Ixion]

..and if the world got even better, they could change all the main bike roads to motoGP spec (nice smooth and grippy)

And when it gets even better all the bike roads change to gravel.

[ZeroIndex]

Eastside Apo.. if anything, it was to say.. GET A FASTER BIKE, so you can enter roundabouts at higher speeds, and get through them before anyone even sees you..

[ZeroIndex]

And when it gets even better all the bike roads change to gravel.
that would just be crap..

[Lou Girardin]

The old roundabout indicating bitch again.
Sorry folks, if you can't manipulate your thumb to indicate left when exiting a roundabout you shouldn't be riding.
Try buses, you don't have to move a finger on them.

[Karlyg]

What I'm hating about people at roundabouts is this new thing of indicating left then right and yet they are going STRAIGHT thru! What gives?? The potential for a f**kup is HUGE.

The rule is: as you enter - if turning left, indicate left, if turning right, indicate right, if going straight ahead, don't indicate. as you are about to leave - indicate left before your exit and after the last one. (Just sat my scratchie a couple of months ago) :first:

[ZeroIndex]

The rule is: as you enter - if turning left, indicate left, if turning right, indicate right, if going straight ahead, don't indicate. as you are about to leave - indicate left before your exit and after the last one. (Just sat my scratchie a couple of months ago) :first:
yes.. that's the rules I follow.. don't know which rule-book those bloody cagers read..

[Ixion]

The don't. Someone told them "y'godda indeecade thing at rannabartz nah".

But they can't figure it out. So , at the start of the roundabout, cos it's , like, curved, man, they're sorta going LEFT, right? So they indicate left. Then as the curve contiues, they find "sheetz, naw Iz gawn RIGHT, man". So they indicate right. Then notice that the exit they want is RIGHT HERE, MAN. So they just blat down it."Yeah . man , I done indeecatered on da ronnabart, eh, godda follo da rulz eh"

[Jantar]

The rule is: as you enter - if turning left, indicate left, if turning right, indicate right, if going straight ahead, don't indicate. as you are about to leave - indicate left before your exit and after the last one. (Just sat my scratchie a couple of months ago) :first:

And with a standard 4.5 meters on a single lane roundabout between passing the previous exit and entering your exit you will have 5/13 of a second to indicate at 50 kmh. At the queenstown roundabouts with only 2.5 meters you will have 3/13 of a second.

[Lou Girardin]

And with a standard 4.5 meters on a single lane roundabout between passing the previous exit and entering your exit you will have 5/13 of a second to indicate at 50 kmh. At the queenstown roundabouts with only 2.5 meters you will have 3/13 of a second.

Do 50 km/h through them in Auckland traffic and you'll soon be an ex-biker.
Even an ex-person.

[ManDownUnder]

Find and read the threads on "owning the road". There's some good stuff in there and it's actually not too hard to considerably reduce your chances of being a victim

[Jantar]

Do 50 km/h through them in Auckland traffic and you'll soon be an ex-biker.
Even an ex-person.
A bloody good reason NOT to live in Auckland. :nya:

[Lou Girardin]

A bloody good reason NOT to live in Auckland. :nya:

Just one of many. But living with the risk of imminent death does give us this devil may care attitude to life.

[SpankMe]

Cagers at roundabouts come in two types.

Those that don't bother even looking and just shoot straight through.
And those that must wait until the roundabout is completely clear before moving out. :angry2:

But I still prefer roundabouts to lights. And what is it with the council and traffic lights for pedestrian crossings. They seem to be popping up fucking everywhere. It's like they have a traffic light budget that they must spend. :mad: If pedestrians need to cross the bloody road, they can fucking walk to the end of the road or wait at a zebra crossing.

[JohnR]

And what is it with the council and traffic lights....
There is either a really good traffic light salesperson :blip: operating in Auckland or their incentive deals are fantastic:psst: Lincoln Rd in Westieland being one of his more successful areas!

[Morepower]

The problem with round abouts is that half hearted attempt at education that was on TV a year or so back managed to cause mass confusion. They need to take some of that budget for tv adds showing cars falling from 9 floors , speeders are killing us etc. and teach the road code on TV. The average person seems totaly confused by indicators and when to use them on roundabouts, I work on the basis that the indicators are just that , an indication and not worth betting my life on , I just look for a gap and if its big enough I go for it.
Waiting to give way to someone who then turns left is bloody agrivating though.

[Magua]

This is the problem I face, I'm heading in the direction of the black arrow, yet every oncoming person (red), is indicating right as they move through that roundabout when they have no intention of turning. :gob: I have friends that do it too. :shutup:

[sunhuntin]

yup i hate it too.....everyone here seems to indicate wrong and think they are right....even my own mother does it [indicates right and then left when going straight through.]

[Skyryder]

The "new" rules make perfect sense.

The problem is the dolts who don't understand.


Yes it makes 'perfect' sense to use your indicators when you are 'not' turning.

And you are so right about the 'dolts' that do this.

This 'new' rule is not about safety...............but confusion.



Skyryder

[diggydog]

If I indicate, when going straight through, it's only the left, to say I'm exiting.. but that's only if it's bigger than a 2.5 lanes: - meaning you actually have to turn to get to the other side, that it's not just a straight-through style roundaboutI find people r not confident enough or do'nt give a shit, they hesitate 2 much, they think they don't have time. Will what they needed to do was be quicker than fuck around on the fucken round- about. I don't mind the round-about at all, it seams to me we r blind to whats going on or very inconsiderate!!!!!!!!!!!!:nya:

[bell]

I agree with Morepower: the powers that be should "teach the road code on TV". I can see it now...point-of-view shots from behind the wheel, approaching roundabout, camera pans down to the indicator, shows driver pushing it up/down, voiceover says "If you are going straight thru the roundabout you need to indicate left after you have passed....."
Anyone got contacts at TVNZ or maybe I can email that closeup at 7:00 woman and she can have a little 30 second road code spot on a Friday night. I should be going to bed soon and not writing this rubbish.:bye:

[Skyryder]

I agree with Morepower: the powers that be should "teach the road code on TV". I can see it now...point-of-view shots from behind the wheel, approaching roundabout, camera pans down to the indicator, shows driver pushing it up/down, voiceover says "If you are going straight thru the roundabout you need to indicate left after you have passed....."
Anyone got contacts at TVNZ or maybe I can email that closeup at 7:00 woman and she can have a little 30 second road code spot on a Friday night. I should be going to bed soon and not writing this rubbish.:bye:

There's enough shit on tv as it is. Indicators are for indicating that you are about to make a turn. The LTNZ in their wisdom have found a new use for them: on roundabouts when going straight through you indicate that you are 'not' turning. And these fuckers are advising the government on how to bring the road toll down....................????????????


Skyryder

[ZeroIndex]

I find people r not confident enough or do'nt give a shit, they hesitate 2 much, they think they don't have time. Will what they needed to do was be quicker than fuck around on the fucken round- about. I don't mind the round-about at all, it seams to me we r blind to whats going on or very inconsiderate!!!!!!!!!!!!:nya:
I was already a fair way into the roundabout when the car accelerated hard into the roundabout, then he see's me 1.5 meters away from his front wheel, and slams on the brakes..

[diggydog]

I was already a fair way into the roundabout when the car accelerated hard into the roundabout, then he see's me 1.5 meters away from his front wheel, and slams on the brakes..comming back from a ride on sunday, i was making right hand turn into storey ave, when this small black car come out on to te rapa, he looks straight at me as if what r u going 2 do about it, i rode on thinking what a fucking wanker.:nono:

[diggydog]

don't u hate those people that don;t see u. but i see a cross.

[ZeroIndex]

comming back from a ride on sunday, i was making right hand turn into storey ave, when this small black car come out on to te rapa, he looks straight at me as if what r u going 2 do about it, i rode on thinking what a fucking wanker.:nono:
..you mean: coming back from 'the ride' on sunday?
Yeah, I hate it when people just don't care..

[diggydog]

..you mean: coming back from 'the ride' on sunday?
Yeah, I hate it when people just don't care..
yeah thats correct, it sound like urs getting a bit close for comfort.

[ZeroIndex]

yeah thats correct, it sound like urs getting a bit close for comfort.
definitely.. I'm just glad I'm here to talk about it.. if the road had been wet, I woulda hit his front right wheel, and high jumped over his bonnet, or into his driver side window (if that happened, at least my helmet woulda got him :D)

[Lou Girardin]

There's enough shit on tv as it is. Indicators are for indicating that you are about to make a turn. The LTNZ in their wisdom have found a new use for them: on roundabouts when going straight through you indicate that you are 'not' turning. And these fuckers are advising the government on how to bring the road toll down....................????????????


Skyryder

It's called consideration for the poor sod giving way to you and waiting to discover if you're going straight ahead or turning right.

[Pixie]

Yes it makes 'perfect' sense to use your indicators when you are 'not' turning.

And you are so right about the 'dolts' that do this.

This 'new' rule is not about safety...............but confusion.



Skyryder
Indicators are for indicating your direction
Get the idea that they are just for indicating turns out of your collective heads.
There are plenty of situations where it is courteous and/or sensible from a safety viewpoint,to indicate when your direction does not deviate from a straight line.

The intersection of SH 2 and the Road to Miranda is a perfect example of this.

Really,you lot are making it hard for me not to use the fuckwit word.

[pzkpfw]

Yes it makes 'perfect' sense to use your indicators when you are 'not' turning. ...

Once you are on a roundabout, it's like you are on a straight road that keeps having (left) side roads on it.

(Imagine riding around and around it, ALL the exits are on your left.)

So indicating your exit (with a left turn signal) makes perfect sense.


.............|.indicate
desired move.|.on entry.|.on exit
---------------------------------
left turn....|.left.....|.left
straight.....|.n/a......|.left
right turn...|.right....|.left


(The consistency of the "on exit" column should make it easy).

On a small roundabout, and if you could trust the actual left and right turners to indicate left and right, then the straight through people not indicating would be fine.

The problem is more on the really big roundabouts. Do you know that car comming from your right is going straight through, from opposite you? Or straight through, from your right? Or turning right, and not indicating?

Possibly the real point is: whatever the rules are, if everybody just knew them and obeyed them, we would not be having this conversation.

Cheers,

P.S. Buy my NZ250, and use it to test roundabout theories.

P.P.S. The odd kind of situation shown by Magua is pretty difficult, though. What would be the best way for everyone to indicate?

[ZeroIndex]

Once you are on a roundabout, it's like you are on a straight road that keeps having (left) side roads on it.

(Imagine riding around and around it, ALL the exits are on your left.)

So indicating your exit (with a left turn signal) makes perfect sense.


.............|.indicate
desired move.|.on entry.|.on exit
---------------------------------
left turn....|.left.....|.left
straight.....|.n/a......|.left
right turn...|.right....|.left


Yup, that sounds correct.. also to be noted to all stupid cagers, when a bike is approaching your side of roundabout, it is NOT ok to start driving in front of it :nono:

[9cents]

Feel free to ignore this but it has genuinely saved my ass a few times, but...

When you're giving way if you're not sure where someone's gonna go or just want to double check or just don't trust the dopey buggers to know how to indicate properly...

Look at where their front wheels are pointing, it gives a much clearer picture of where that vehicle is immediately heading than a flashing light does.

I've had people indicating left therefore meaning I don't have to give way and can go, but a quick glance at their wheels shows me they have no idea what they're doing so I sit tight and sure enough they turn right :nono:

[inlinefour]

If you are on a bike and rely on cars indicating on roundabouts to know where they are going - you are dead meat.....

In fact if you expect all other road users (all types) to follow the letter of the law, your going to come to a sticky end...

[Skyryder]

It's called consideration for the poor sod giving way to you and waiting to discover if you're going straight ahead or turning right.

We are miles apart on this one Lou. If you are not indicating then you are not turning. That's the way it was when I learnt to drive. Now I know there are many drivers who turn and do not indicate..........so a little bit of defensive driving is called for. Now if the HP boys spent more time on 'roundabout' duty and prosecuted these drivers who failed to indicate when turning at an intersection then perhaps this new law would not have needed to be bought in.

I do accept that courtesy may well have been the reason that this roundabout law was bought in but the reality of the law is confusion.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Indicators are for indicating your direction
Get the idea that they are just for indicating turns out of your collective heads.
There are plenty of situations where it is courteous and/or sensible from a safety viewpoint,to indicate when your direction does not deviate from a straight line.

The intersection of SH 2 and the Road to Miranda is a perfect example of this.

Really,you lot are making it hard for me not to use the fuckwit word.

This happened to me a couple of weeks ago.

Was approaching a two lane roundabout with me on the inside lane just slightly behind a cage who was in the right hand lane. Cage indicates left as it exits the roundabout just as the law states. Cage suddenly changes lanes. This was completely unexpected. So now when I am in a simular position I back off and as a result of this I slow the traffic down behind me. Now there are two issues here.

1 Could someone tell me just how this driver was courteous by changing lanes and nearly knocking me off.

2 As a result of the above near miss I slow down now when a cage is in the right hand lane with the result that this reduces traffic flow. And this in turn leads to tailgating.

Yep this new law makes sense.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Once you are on a roundabout, it's like you are on a straight road that keeps having (left) side roads on it.

(Imagine riding around and around it, ALL the exits are on your left.)

So indicating your exit (with a left turn signal) makes perfect sense.


Once you are on a roundabout, it's like you are on a straight road that keeps having (left) side roads on it.

That's exactly my point. A roundabout is deemed to be a straight road (an intersection) if you are not turning off it. So how does it make perfect sense to indicate when you are not turning?

Skyryder

[pzkpfw]

That's exactly my point. A roundabout is deemed to be a straight road (an intersection) if you are not turning off it. So how does it make perfect sense to indicate when you are not turning?

When you exit the roundabout, you are effectively turning left when you get off it. Whether it's the first exit (left turn), second exit (straight through) or third exit (turn right) - you are always turning left off the roundabout.

Once you are on the roundabout, think of it as a straight road, with a bend in it. Any exit you take, is a left turn off the roundabout.

[Imagine it's a big roundabout, where you actually do need to physically turn left to get off it. The kind of roundabout where if you did try to go exactly straight through (with or without indicating!), you'd end up stuck in the garden in the middle of it. Apply the same logic to the small ones.]

The basic point is, the person on the next exit along can see you are exiting and not continuing round.



In your post prior to the one I just quoted, the problem was the behaviour of the car, in the way it changed lanes. The problem was not the new law (though I agree, it would have been hard to tell the difference between indicating left for the exit of the roundabout and indicating left for a lane change).

Never ride in a cars blind spot.

[motoGP]

Whats even worse is the panmure circle, three lanes and six exits. You get these eggs that come from the inner-most lane and slash their way through three lanes of traffic to exit. They reckon their indicator makes it alright to do so.:angry:

[Skyryder]

When you exit the roundabout, you are effectively turning left when you get off it.

I'm in a time warp on this one. When I ride or drive there is nothing 'effectively' with my driving. I know where I am going and it is in my interests to tell other road users in my vicinity where I am going.

Guess we wil just have to agree to disagree.

Skyryder