Party Pills [Archive] - Kiwi Biker forums

placidfemme

7th June 2006, 10:23

Watching the news last night (and in the paper today), they had a story of some guy who was caught driving under the influence of 40 party pills...

How many of you have tried those party pills?

I've tried them, and just 2 pills makes my heart pound so fast that it feels like I can't breath... and that freaks me out... plus the next day it gives you a headache similar to a hangover... and thats just 2 damn pills...

What are your experiences and do you think they are justified in prosecuting someone for driving while taking them (like how would they tell anyway if you only took like... 2)

Cibby

7th June 2006, 10:25

40 pills is just crazy, your body would be fucked for days.

I've taken three or four in one night and the next day i felt like i was going to die.

i'd rather take the real thing, the come down is must less....

Even after 3 pills however, i was "high" and not at all able to drive, that kid is a bloody retard.

The_Dover

7th June 2006, 10:27

I thought they were suppositories??

Maybe that's why all I had the next day was a sore arse.

Finn

7th June 2006, 10:29

Maybe that's why all I had the next day was a sore arse.

No, that was too much alchohol causing a loss of inhabitions.

Str8 Jacket

7th June 2006, 10:29

Nothing beats the real thing! BZP is evil, try the party pills without the BZP and the "come-down" isnt so severe...

Squeak the Rat

7th June 2006, 10:30

placidfemme

7th June 2006, 10:31

I thought they were suppositories??

Maybe that's why all I had the next day was a sore arse.

lol there are so many things i could say to that...

I've never got the "buzz" from the pills, a lot of people rave about them, and there are so many different types on the market these days...

Rapture: 2 pills made me feel sick... no buzz just a sick I'm gonna puke feeling... ruined my night

Charge: 2 pills made my heart go mad, could'nt breathe, felt too weak to even stand up at some points, deffinatley ruined my night.

I've also tried some other pills that are blue (not viagra before anyone even says it), something like dance hardcore or something... only had 1 of those, made me feel sick and again ruined my night...

So I've stayed clear of them ever since...

SARGE

7th June 2006, 10:34

darwinism ... i say legalize everything and let it sort itself out

Macktheknife

7th June 2006, 10:34

Im not allowed to take them, my dealer said they would clash with all the coke and speed. lol

SimJen

7th June 2006, 10:35

whats the point? if you need them to have fun then you're a boring fucka.
All you need is a fast bike :)

DMNTD

7th June 2006, 10:35

I've tried a few different types but found all but one gave me a serious stone-over. Like anything if you take too much it'll screw ya hard...no Dover,wipe that lube off!
Taking 40 is just being an idiot!! :tugger:

No, that was too much alchohol causing a loss of inhabitions.
Surely ya got to have some to be able to lose them?

bobsmith

7th June 2006, 10:37

placidfemme

7th June 2006, 10:39

darwinism ... i say legalize everything and let it sort itself out

eh... thats a good idea :) More road space for the rest of us:scooter:

chickenfunkstar

7th June 2006, 10:42

I take them occasionally, maybe 2 - 3 times a year. They're ok but you get the worst hangovers ever in the morning if you've been drinking as well. I can't imagine taking 40. Must have been 7 - 10 packets @ $40ish per packet. Not cheap.

SARGE

7th June 2006, 10:42

eh... thats a good idea :) More road space for the rest of us:scooter:

more food .. more electricity..cheaper rents..more space in the prisons..

the first 6 months of it will be a clusterfuck, but after that ...

smoooooth sailing..

Freakshow

7th June 2006, 10:43

40 is pretty dumb but I am curious how it is classified and therfore how the cops will do him?? I wish them luck!

I have tried them and mostly just a few to get me through the crazy night shifts at the bar! No buzz just awake longer than normal.

The only time anything interesting happened was work X-Air afterparty and on party pills and about 10-15 cans of Redbull! Something about that mix.
Next morning felt like a hangover in some ways but it wont let you go to sleep.

Fishy

7th June 2006, 10:46

hugs not drugs :grouphug:

R6_kid

7th June 2006, 10:51

i took 14-20 one night mixed with a rather more serious party drug... i didnt die... but i was pretty fucked up for a good 38-40hrs afterwards. Eg couldnt sleep for more than a few minutes, every noise i heard turned into music inside my head (had been to a drum and bass gig), couldnt stop chewing, and my feet continually wanted to dance :blah: so yeh wasnt really what i wanted to do for 3 days.

In saying that i did eat a full size hells pizza by myself before hand and has also consumed about 3L of water through the night which may explain why i didnt cop the big one. Was basically a night of experimentation gone wrong. Had two mates feeding them too me, neither of which knew the other one was. They both scored them free from a radio station give away. And I was also given some on the door of the gig.

But yeh, did them a couple of times after that in the recommended quantity and the buzz was nothing in comparison to when i downed that massive amount i did the first time. After a bad experience when i tried to different types at once and ended up having a wicked buzz for 10mins then chundering my guts for half an hour i decided i wasnt going to touch them again, and i havent since.

SARGE

7th June 2006, 11:11

whatever happened to good old LSD?

Smorg

7th June 2006, 11:13

Clusterfuck? Thems military words

Smorg

7th June 2006, 11:14

whatever happened to good old LSD?

trust me its still around you just need to know where to look

Fishy

7th June 2006, 11:14

whatever happened to good old LSD?

I think nissan still use them :)

Karma

7th June 2006, 11:22

Isn't the main ingredient of these pills cow de-worming solution?

If you're gonna do pills, why fuck around with the sub-standard shit, just get the real thing.

Fishy

7th June 2006, 11:24

You can buy some of these.... probably cheaper..

MrMelon

7th June 2006, 11:33

Why does everyone believe he took 40 of them? Who's to say he didn't just tell the cop he took 40 of them in his f*cked up state on the side of the road to wind him up. I'd probably tell him I'd just smoked an ounce of crack and 4 pounds of weed if I was in a similar situation... there's no way of proving it either way. BZP is a shitty drug anyway and the high isn't worth the comedown. The way it's marketed in nz under a million different brand names claiming to provide different effects is a joke. There's no regulation of how much BZP goes into each pill and I'm pretty sure most of the "brands" don't give a breakdown of what each pill contains either.

It's pretty ridiculous that BZP is legal while similar alternatives that are less neurotoxic but much much more enjoyable are illegal. There was a case recently where the ministry of health approved a clinical study of a substance in pure form and regulated doses which was to be used as a less toxic alternative to MDMA, which was much safer for occasional ecstacy users than buying black market pills (where you've got no idea of whether the contents are harmful or not). This was shut down as a publicity stunt by Jim Anderton who claimed that they never knew what the drug being trialled actually was since they used its proper chemical name when applying for the permit to run the trial. When are people going to wake up to the fact that prohibition doesn't work and instead ensure that users are educated (eg. not to drive when you're caned) and that harm is minimised.

SARGE

7th June 2006, 11:43

Clusterfuck? Thems military words

yup...

3 guesses how i learned that one

placidfemme

7th June 2006, 11:44

When are people going to wake up to the fact that prohibition doesn't work and instead ensure that users are educated (eg. not to drive when you're caned) and that harm is minimised.

well... "don't drink and drive" doesn't seem to help much, so doing that with the pills is even less likely to work...

GR81

7th June 2006, 11:44

did charge a couple of times... bbbbuuuuuzzzzzzzzzzzz but the come down was the worst!
mate did 14 once, that was funny!!! never again tho!
ahhh the youth!
the guy in the paper/news was a friggen twat... natural selection!
http://stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3692115a11,00.html

MrMelon

7th June 2006, 11:46

well... "don't drink and drive" doesn't seem to help much, so doing that with the pills is even less likely to work...

Do you see alcohol being outlawed?

Didn't think so.

Crasherfromwayback

7th June 2006, 11:50

trust me its still around you just need to know where to look
Just look for the washed up looking freaks waving bibles 'round ranting to anyone that'll listen!

Hitcher

7th June 2006, 11:52

The thing that fascinates me about "party pills" is how gloriously inconsistent people are about the stuff they put into their bodies.

At one extreme they demand total disclosure (Danger! May contain traces of nuts; Danger! May contain hot liquid; Danger! May contain GM; Danger! May not be "organic") and exhaustive population-based studies about efficacy (but not tested on animals, mind), and also want mind-altering substances like tobacco and alcohol banned or regulated.

Yet at the other extreme they are quite happy to "pop" completely unregulated products, such as "party pills" and potions that cousin Kylie's brother Wayne (who failed School C science) has boiled up at the back of his garage. After all, it's impossible/immoral to participate in a "party" without some sort of chemically-induced stimulation, init?

SARGE

7th June 2006, 11:52

Just look for the washed up looking freaks waving bibles 'round ranting to anyone that'll listen!

k' road?

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Crasherfromwayback

7th June 2006, 11:54

probably very similar to our Cuba St!

SARGE

7th June 2006, 12:05

probably very similar to our Cuba St!

bet we have more She-boys up here :sick:

Crasherfromwayback

7th June 2006, 12:07

lol, you have more of everything up there mate.....not always such a good thing!

SARGE

7th June 2006, 12:10

The thing that fascinates me about "party pills" is how gloriously inconsistent people are about the stuff they put into their bodies.
After all, it's impossible/immoral to participate in a "party" without some sort of chemically-induced stimulation, init?

kinda amazes me.. our kids are being fed this bullshit line that you cant have a good time unless you are trollied..

"cmon billy.. its a party.. loosen up.."

they sit around for 18 hours a day on the computer / vidgames.. then when they DO get human contact.. its through a haze ..

anyone see where this is all going in 20 years ?

im actually frightened for my son's future

Sniper

7th June 2006, 12:12

Bah Party pills. If you cat have a good time with just alchol then you are stupid and a wimp...

**R1**

7th June 2006, 12:18

whatever happened to good old LSD?the yoofs of today have no taste for quality brain fuckers....

MrMelon

7th June 2006, 12:20

Bah Party pills. If you cat have a good time with just alchol then you are stupid and a wimp...

Yeah nice one... because alcohol's so much better for you than any other substance.

**R1**

7th June 2006, 12:20

Bah Party pills. If you cat have a good time with just alchol then you are stupid and a wimp...Mate IMO alchol is worse than any party pills...you not lickly to go home and bash the wife and kids on a few herbals....but thats just my opinion..

SARGE

7th June 2006, 12:21

the yoofs of today have no taste for quality brain fuckers....

hell man.. all the LSD since 1980 has been stomped on more than Dover's pride..

Sniper

7th June 2006, 12:22

Mate IMO alchol is worse than any party pills...you not lickly to go home and bash the wife and kids on a few herbals....but thats just my opinion..

You are right though.

The_Dover

7th June 2006, 12:22

Drugs are bad, mmmmmmmkay.

MrMelon

7th June 2006, 12:23

Mate IMO alchol is worse than any party pills...you not lickly to go home and bash the wife and kids on a few herbals....but thats just my opinion..

Depends how lippy she's getting though really... :bash:

Karma

7th June 2006, 12:31

Drugs are bad, mmmmmmmkay.
Well this one time... at band camp...

Crasherfromwayback

7th June 2006, 12:36

Yeah nice one... because alcohol's so much better for you than any other substance.
Lets face it, some people function just fine with various substances, others don't.
Alchol, legal highs, illegal highs.....control them, rather than letting them control you, and you're sweet!

The Pastor

7th June 2006, 12:37

I had a handful of pills once, Didnt do shit, no "high" at all :| Didnt even get a hangover the next morning, (I had been drinking a bit)

2much

7th June 2006, 12:37

whatever happened to good old LSD?

You know how hard it is to get ya hands on decent tabs these days? Things have changed alot since when you were running round in bellbottoms, platforms and and ya favourite psychodelic(sp) tshirt Sarge.

Party pills are good if you're having a hard weekend and want something to keep you awake and going... but thats all I've found they're good for.

No different to before they came on the scene when me and my mates used to down 1/2 a doz no-dose pills before we went out. (Except no-dose worked better)

I guess they'd be ok if you'd never tried the real shit but personally, they don't even come close. Don't get me wrong, I'm no hard out druggie, but I've tried both sides (except p before anyone gets started) and for those of you who have never experienced partying it up while on e, I highly recommend it's an experience worth giving a go atleast once..... probably the next best thing to acid and that is regularily available.

DMNTD

7th June 2006, 12:43

...some people function just fine with various substances, others don't.
Alchol, legal highs, illegal highs.....control them, rather than letting them control you, and you're sweet!

Ya got it there man...too much of anything will toes you up--fact--.
The occasional yeeee haa on pretty much anything is fine IMO.
Have tried most things in the "past" and I'm fine :shutup:

Fishy

7th June 2006, 12:47

The occasional yeeee haa on pretty much anything is fine IMO.
Have tried most things in the "past" and I'm fine :shutup:

2nd that. :niceone:

Crasherfromwayback

7th June 2006, 12:54

Ya got it there man...too much of anything will toes you up--fact--.
The occasional yeeee haa on pretty much anything is fine IMO.
Have tried most things in the "past" and I'm fine :shutup:
Lol, bit like riding a bike though.....sometimes gotta find your limits by 'accidently' going over them a couple of times!

**R1**

7th June 2006, 12:56

Depends how lippy she's getting though really... :bash:If she knows her place the only thing out of her mouth will be bear or blowie?

Str8 Jacket

7th June 2006, 12:57

If she knows her place the only thing out of her mouth will be bear or blowie?

If he (mrmelon) doesnt watch it he aint getting lasagne tonight... :blah:

Sniper

7th June 2006, 12:57

Bah Party pills. If you cat have a good time with just alchol then you are stupid and a wimp...

That was a bit harsh looking back at it.

I believe that Party pills are not as "cool" as people put them put them out to be. I have been at parties where EVERYONE bar myself and a friend were on them. They looked like fun for the first half hour, but when you keep needed to pop them to stay on a high it gets a bit much.

I prefer being a happy drunk with red bull or V in my system knowing that unless I drink absinth or purple death or rum, I will be fine the next day.

DMNTD

7th June 2006, 12:57

Lol, bit like riding a bike though.....sometimes gotta find your limits by 'accidently' going over them a couple of times!
A couple of times? Hell...maybe I'm a frecking slow learner then!
Took me millions of braincells to work dat1 owt...oops! See!
Ok...pass that thing will ya! :sherlock:

Crasherfromwayback

7th June 2006, 13:05

Crunch. x's ten

chris

7th June 2006, 13:07

yup...

3 guesses how i learned that one
watching too many Chuck Norris films......?

Squeak the Rat

7th June 2006, 13:24

Ooops I voted wrong. That's what too many substances do to you. :wacko:

I heard an argument for party pills the other night that made a bit of sense in a twisted way: The come down is so bad that young people have to plan their excess partying. Therefore more thought is given to it, and it's not done as much.

If pills such as ecstacy were to be as cheap and readily available here as they are in england (for example) then I reckon there would be TONNES more teenagers and 20 somethings out most weekends oonsting it up.

pop ->:yawn: - :woohoo: - :wari: - :hug: - :sunny: - :sick:

SARGE

7th June 2006, 13:33

watching too many Chuck Norris films......?

Chuck Norris???

yea.. i fucked him...

Ixion

7th June 2006, 14:20

Taking 40 and then driving? I'm surprised he is still alive.

What law was he charged with? I'd be surprised if there was a law about driving under the influence of BZP specifically.... And they are legal after all.

Was it a general law about driving under the influence of substances? If so, then logic would dictate that it is also possible to be charged for driving with driving under the influence of coffee.....

Latte anyone?
Been an offence to drive under the influence of alcohol OR DRUGS for donkey's years. used to be the "standard" DUI charge. Just not often used now because the EBA ones are simpler and easier to prove

L
LAND TRANSPORT ACT 1998
PART 2 - PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES OF PARTICIPANTS IN LAND TRANSPORT SYSTEM
Responsibilities concerning use of alcohol or drugs
12. Persons not to drive while under influence of alcohol or drugs—

A person may not drive or attempt to drive a motor vehicle . . . while under the influence of drink or a drug, or both, to such an extent as to be incapable of having proper control of the vehicle.

Cf 1962 No 135 s 58(1)(e); 1988 No 170 s 7

So, yep you can indeed be charged. And suffer the same consequences as drunk driving. Just a bit more tedious for the cops because they have to prove "incapable of proper control", which will be based on the facts of each case.

And if you drank so much coffee that you were incapable of proper control of the vehicle , then you could be charged ditto I imagine. And the "drugs" don't have to be scheduled ones.

scumdog

7th June 2006, 14:24

I know the 40-pill man, he is only just eluding a Darwinian demise at present...

Time will tell.

Biohazard

7th June 2006, 14:51

whats the point? if you need them to have fun then you're a boring fucka.
All you need is a fast bike :)

I'm with SimJen, they should all get a life :nya: oh and get off our fookin roads, pop a pill when im on the road and i'll pop ya a new arsehole !!! twats like him should take a bus.

mstriumph

7th June 2006, 15:13

adreneline - try adreneline ........
it's always a good, reliable high... it's legal.... and it's FREE!! :first:

SARGE

7th June 2006, 15:13

<snip>....incapable of proper control of the vehicle , then you could be charged ditto I imagine.<snip>.

dover is fucked..

KATWYN

7th June 2006, 15:22

I tried them, cos they were given to me as samples
Euphoria (with BZP) is what I tried on a couple of occassions. I was really really tired and had a huge work mission ahead of me - I took a couple each time and was able to complete the work tasks and some.

the problem was I was awake for 24 hours each time I took em, and that
really didn't help things. Eventually you end up having to sleep for 2 days
because of exhaustion. not good.

Wheres the "high" though.......? is staying awake classed as a high these
days?? - if so... boring :zzzz: .....so ya don't get to see Alice and Wonderland type characters like lucy in the sky with diamonds then :doobey: ?? how disapointing :laugh:

BuFfY

7th June 2006, 15:40

My cousin had a night with party pills and then the next night he went to drive home. Because he hadn't slept the night before he ended up crashing his car (he is 17 and had been saving forever to buy his car), going to court and having a massive fine to pay and loosing his licience.

Funny thing is that he had fallen asleep behind the wheel before and kinda knew it was gonna come... I am pretty sure that he hit someone and wrote their car off so he had to pay them money aswell

Boys aye...

inlinefour

7th June 2006, 15:40

Meh, I've just started drinking V again while travelling on holiday. The shit keeps me wired for hours. Four of them in a six hour drive has me wondering wtf is going on.
However, the fact is, I get to see the after effect of different types of drugs at my place of work. Seen plenty of so called "normal" people become psychotic taking illicit substances and then freak out because they have been locked up in a psych ward under the mental health act. Kinda enough to put me off any illicit substance. Oh, and if anyone knows me from over 10 years ago, I plead the 5th...:nya:

Jonty

7th June 2006, 15:47

Are their any chemists on this site? What I want to know is what is the active ingredients of these party pills? I mean if they are not regulated then they obviously do not contain the traditional chemicals such as "pdrene" "vasoline" etc.,. Are these pills just essence of liliac with a hint of rosemary? sounds like it is a little psycological to me.

Colapop

7th June 2006, 16:00

They don't have real names and even the made up names have been replaced with acronyms - BZP, ATE, K5Hydroxy...

Sniper

7th June 2006, 16:10

Horse Tranquilizer?

MrMelon

7th June 2006, 16:10

Hitcher

7th June 2006, 16:16

All of this stuff about party pills being "better" or "safer" than other substances is purely speculative. These products are all unregulated. There is no prescribed list of ingredients, no quality control/assurance systems around their manufacture or distribution. Users could be putting anything into their bodies, and they probably are. There have been no studies done regarding side effects and, even if there have, these are worthless because of my earlier point about quality assurance -- consumers have no way of knowing whether the ones they took tonight are the same as those "tested" or even the same as the ones their mate took last week and raved about. Party pills are the wild west of bodily additives. They could (at best) be harmless placebos. They could be laced with rat poison. Users don't know jack shit about them -- it's all made up. You take them at your peril.

MrMelon

7th June 2006, 16:21

I agree that with the way "party pills" are at the moment, they're not particularly safe or a good idea to take on a regular basis (or at all). However if another substance (not BZP) was trialled clinically, found to have no harmul effects and be less toxic than illegal alternatives, wouldn't the legalisation of that in controlled doses be a better thing than letting everyone sell as much BZP as they want like the way the market currently is?

Hitcher

7th June 2006, 16:29

However if another substance (not BZP) was trialled clinically, found to have no harmul effects and be less toxic than illegal alternatives, wouldn't the legalisation of that in controlled doses be a better thing than letting everyone sell as much BZP as they want like the way the market currently is?
Possibly, if "legalising" a quality assured version resulted in the gardenshed lab suppliers going out of business.

Colapop

7th June 2006, 16:34

Isn't BZP chemically very similar to heroin?

MrMelon

7th June 2006, 16:35

There's no doubt it would. Yet Jim Anderton decided to jump in and stop this very process so that he could be seen to be taking a hard line on "party pills". With that mentality I don't see how it's going to stop in a hurry. There was a good little doco on this very subject in NZ on tv a few weeks back.

MrMelon

7th June 2006, 16:37

Isn't BZP chemically very similar to heroin?
I don't see much of a resemblance...
BZP:
<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/19/Benzylpiperazine.jpg">

Heroin:
<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Heroin5.png">

7th June 2006, 16:38

I don't see much of a resemblance...
BZP:
<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/19/Benzylpiperazine.jpg">

Heroin:
<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Heroin5.png">
Oh nerd dissing!
Get em Grenn!

Smorg

7th June 2006, 16:54

yup...

3 guesses how i learned that one

In the NZ airforce

mstriumph

7th June 2006, 17:04

i learnt it from KB!! :innocent:

SARGE

7th June 2006, 17:26

In the NZ airforce

New Zealand has an air force??? :gob:

next you will be telling me New Zealand has a NAVY...:weird:

Maha

7th June 2006, 17:50

New Zealand has an air force??? :gob:

next you will be telling me New Zealand has a NAVY...:weird:
SIR YES SIR:mega:
im guessing you are from the good ole' USA.......:blip:

Maha

7th June 2006, 17:56

whats the point? if you need them to have fun then you're a boring fucka.
All you need is a fast bike :)
Im with you on this one SimJim, well the bike part anyway, i know some ppl that indulge and they are pretty cool ppl........ just aint for me, i grew outta that before i was 20 and its great when you're at a party and its being passed around, you refuse and it's all good, no pressure......

Mrs Busa Pete

7th June 2006, 18:01

My daughter had 4 people got through A & E on sunday day night with problems from party pills.me thinks i will stay away from them just give me a beer.:beer:

Hitcher

7th June 2006, 18:15

Isn't BZP chemically very similar to heroin?
No. And the addictive ability is much different as well. Heroin, and all opiates, are not highly addictive. They suffer from much bad press and urban legend in that regard. And, if you can afford the good stuff, heroin won't do your body much harm either. The big risks come from the ingredients its distributors use to extend it (dilution agents) which may be, at best, harmless and, at worst, extremely dodgy. Again, how many users or potential users ask for some robust provenance from their friendly neighbourhood dealer?

KATWYN

7th June 2006, 21:09

They could be laced with rat poison. .

I heard this is a fact..........

rudolph

7th June 2006, 21:19

whats a party?

Madness

7th June 2006, 21:35

I have not tried party pills. I treat my body like a temple.....:innocent:

I took an old friend for a blat as pillion up the Taka's a few months back. We were scraping the can going around the right hand sweeper passing lane (not slow). When we got to the top he was like a dithering idiot, more so than usual. The next week I was talking to him and he fessed up; he was on party pills and the ride up the hill had him in a state of incoherence.

Hone Harawera,MP plans to outlaw the Tobacco Industry in NZ by 2010. I wonder if party pills will still be legal then?

SARGE

8th June 2006, 08:02

SIR YES SIR:mega:
im guessing you are from the good ole' USA.......:blip:

yup.. even better..from the heartland of America.. not one of these California fags either.. :rockon:

few too many years in the US Marine Corps too..]

I have not tried party pills. I treat my body like a temple.....:innocent:

i treat mine like Disneyland...

de up the hill had him in a state of incoherence.

Hone Harawera,MP plans to outlaw the Tobacco Industry in NZ by 2010. I wonder if party pills will still be legal then?
'

yea .. gawd forbid youre a dirty smoker..maybe they will outlaw thoughtcrime too..

i cant wait