Here's a question - how fast are cops allowed to drive?

[Lazy7]

so - its about 11:30 at night.

i am out having a smoke and zooooooooommmmmm

3 cop cars blast past. lights flashing. 2 station wagons and a sedan. obviously responding to some kind of serious call. i dont know what it was but they were in a hurry with a capital H.

my eye radar isn't as finely tuned as it could be, but the road is a (50) and i would estimate they would have been doing 120+ quite easily

i could hear them turn into the end road and accellerate, change gear a few times before they passed me and they were still pushing hard when i couldn't hear them anymore so i am guessing my estimate is about right.

now. if i had just had some guys bust into my house and threaten to kill me i would want the police there as fast as humanly possible. BUT. at the same time its a reasonably quiet suburban street and i am sure i heard somewhere cops aren't allowed to break the law when responding to calls?

[Da Bird]

BUT. at the same time its a reasonably quiet suburban street and i am sure i heard somewhere cops aren't allowed to break the law when responding to calls?

You've been watching too much TV. Under the old urgent duty driving policy, it was 30km/hr over the limit. Now we have the Gold, Silver, Bronze thing. If you are Gold you can basically go as fast as you need to (and I said "need" not "want") depending on the circumstances... unless you know what they were going to, you are not really in a position to judge whether the speed was necessary or not. If the cop crashes at high speed, then there is a lot of paperwork so they need to be able to justify it if things go wrong... time, place, circumstances has a lot to do with it.

BC.

[SPORK]

I *heart* Bykey Cop

Dispelling urban myths one thread at a time

[Lazy7]

right. so. question of the day then is where do i purchase one of these Gold passes you speak of?

fair enough though. as i said - i would want them there as fast as humanly possible.

[Da Bird]

right. so. question of the day then is where do i purchase one of these Gold passes you speak of?

fair enough though. as i said - i would want them there as fast as humanly possible.

For Gold passes, please see the www.newcops.co.nz (http://www.newcops.co.nz) website and you will be well on your way.

Basically consists of a 2-3 hour theory lecture and test on driving / pursuit policy plus a 2-3 hour practical driving assessment... just like sitting your drivers licence all over again but slightly more complex. If the instructor isn't happy with your driving, then you get a Silver or Bronze (which limits what you can do, mainly in pursuits). You can apply to be re-assessed every 6 months I think if you want to try again for Gold.

[boomer]

As fast as they 'like';

The gold, Bronze & Silver are about as useful as a blue peter badge:nya:

[Lazy7]

Ahh... is this the new thing they highlighted on the news the other night where they said the training program had been going for a few years but since its inception the incidents of Police car crashes where the police was at fault had actually increased?

there was also a good shot of a police car drifting through a patch of deisel on the news tonight. little bit of over correction there... :wait:

[Shadows]

For Gold passes, please see the www.newcops.co.nz (http://www.newcops.co.nz) website and you will be well on your way.

Mmmmmmmm

I need an eye clearance, a medical clearance, and somebody to hack into the Wanganui computer.

There's got to be another way. Can you send me a scan of one? I'll give you 10 bucks for it.

Failing that can I challenge one of you guys to a race up the Rimutakas and back for a pass? http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=30473 (post 7).
I'll have it in platinum, thanks.

[Edbear]

Ah the Gold Card! So often the answer to a situation, eh? We should all have one! What interest rate for Govt employees?:doobey:

[Krayy]

For Gold passes, please see the www.newcops.co.nz (http://www.newcops.co.nz) website and you will be well on your way.

Basically consists of a 2-3 hour theory lecture and test on driving / pursuit policy plus a 2-3 hour practical driving assessment... just like sitting your drivers licence all over again but slightly more complex. If the instructor isn't happy with your driving, then you get a Silver or Bronze (which limits what you can do, mainly in pursuits). You can apply to be re-assessed every 6 months I think if you want to try again for Gold.
Is this just for cages or bikes as well?

(Mind you, if you can do a P.I.T. maneuver on a boi racer on a bike, you be legend)

[Lou Girardin]

For Gold passes, please see the www.newcops.co.nz (http://www.newcops.co.nz) website and you will be well on your way.

Basically consists of a 2-3 hour theory lecture and test on driving / pursuit policy plus a 2-3 hour practical driving assessment... just like sitting your drivers licence all over again but slightly more complex. If the instructor isn't happy with your driving, then you get a Silver or Bronze (which limits what you can do, mainly in pursuits). You can apply to be re-assessed every 6 months I think if you want to try again for Gold.

Yes quite. But the crash rate has increased since this programme began.
And if the skid pan driving they showed on TV is typical, I think they should stick to 30 km/h on the road too.

[SARGE]

Mmmmmmmm


I'll have it in platinum, thanks.


i want the Kryptonite pass please.









and some pie

[Swoop]

BUT... i am sure i heard somewhere cops aren't allowed to break the law when responding to calls?

Only when the call goes out that the donut shop is closing in 5 minutes...:nya:

[R6_kid]

i want the Kryptonite pass please.

and some pie

i'll just take the pie.

[SARGE]

i'll just take the pie.


fight ya for it..

[2much]

When they're chasing you because you just passed them at 200k's on the rear wheel, they can go as fast as they want.... it's the speed they tell comms they're doing that is limited....

[madboy]

I've got no problems with cops going hard in the middle of the night when my young daughter is tucked up in bed and all the road users out at that time of night should have enough common sense to get out of the way of the big car going really really fast with flashing lights going. What I have a problem with is that some cops just aren't natural born drivers. Passing a test is great, lots of people can pass tests, but it still doesn't mean they're any good at what they've been tested on.

That one on TV last night looked like a shocker. Car slides so you hit the brakes?! WTF?! Isn't that the exact way you loop a car with ABS brakes? Oh wait, what happened? They looped a car with ABS brakes! But I wasn't there so I reserve judgement.

Must have been the bronze and silver drivers I was listening to on the scanner last night, losing the same stolen car three times. One dog wagon lost a valiant battle with a truck that got in the way too... RIP. Hope they catch that scumbag.

[Squeak the Rat]

Basically consists of a 2-3 hour theory lecture and test on driving / pursuit policy plus a 2-3 hour practical driving assessment... just like sitting your drivers licence all over again but slightly more complex. If the instructor isn't happy with your driving, then you get a Silver or Bronze (which limits what you can do, mainly in pursuits).
4-6 hours training / evaluation to be able to partake in dangerous high speed pursuits.

This sounds a little light to me. I would have thought that certifying some one as able to partake in high speed road driving would take a bit longer than that.

The training is obviously top notch though. Why don't we make this course compulsory for all drivers - that way every one would be safer and this would lower the road toll.....

[Beemer]

There was something on the news the other day about 200 (from memory) police officers being issued with infringement notices for speeding when it wasn't warranted. (No problem with them exceeding the speed limit in a controlled fashion to race to the scene of a crime/accident/etc.)

Now what was that advertising campaign recently - "if you're prepared to speed, you're prepared to kill"... mmn, does that mean that 200 sworn police officers are ready, willing and able to kill us on the roads? Or is that message only aimed at civilians? Can civilians not handle speeding? Are we like teenagers who can't handle their liquor?

Sounds like a case of one rule for them and another for us.

[Squeak the Rat]

It's good to see that the cops are getting busted the same as the people they bust. I guess that's as fair as I can ask, although I know for a fact that a "gidday mate" from a fellow cop will often get you off a speeding ticket........

[Sniper]

Its like mates rates Squeak. If your best mate is a cop and you are too and you pull him over for speeding, would you give him a ticket?

[Korea]

For Gold passes, please see the www.newcops.co.nz (http://www.newcops.co.nz) website and you will be well on your way.

Basically consists of a 2-3 hour theory lecture and test on driving / pursuit policy plus a 2-3 hour practical driving assessment... just like sitting your drivers licence all over again but slightly more complex. If the instructor isn't happy with your driving, then you get a Silver or Bronze (which limits what you can do, mainly in pursuits). You can apply to be re-assessed every 6 months I think if you want to try again for Gold.
Sounds a little like Gran Turismo - do the test to earn your licence (and get a gold, silver, or bronze rating). Is Playstation also in the test? :blip:

[Squeak the Rat]

Its like mates rates Squeak. If your best mate is a cop and you are too and you pull him over for speeding, would you give him a ticket?
Nope, surely wouldn't. If I was a cop I'd let my mates off to. But as a civvy it pisses me off that I would get penalised for something that some one who enforces the law gets away with.

To rephrase: I understand it, I'd probably do it, but I don't like it - unless I was the one receiving the favourable treatment.

Yep, I'm a hypocrite, but I expect our law enforcement not to be. (circular hypocricy?)

[Sniper]

Its the way humans work squeak. Nothing wrong with that response.

[Switch]

oo00oo i wouldnt mind becoming a cop. 4-5 hours of testing and i can drive FAST :rockon: ...nah but really. i think if they need to get somewhere in a hurry they should be allowed to. While we all complain about them getting away with dodgy stuff, look what Beemer said about the 200 odd cops getting done for speeding. According to that, they don't get away with anymore than we do, unless they have a permit.
I still wouldnt mind becoming a Cop, that fitness test is the only thing stopping me :nya:

[Filterer]

For Gold passes, please see the www.newcops.co.nz (http://www.newcops.co.nz) website and you will be well on your way.

Basically consists of a 2-3 hour theory lecture and test on driving / pursuit policy plus a 2-3 hour practical driving assessment... just like sitting your drivers licence all over again but slightly more complex. If the instructor isn't happy with your driving, then you get a Silver or Bronze (which limits what you can do, mainly in pursuits). You can apply to be re-assessed every 6 months I think if you want to try again for Gold.
Hmm sounds like NCEA you fail but still get your certificate and another go in 6months, just gotta keep trying to you get lucky and pass (I’m sure thats how some people get their licenses.

To be honest 2-3 hours of theory seems veery small when if you do a defensive driving course for your full thats 12 hours long. And 2-3 hours of practical? thats about enough time to get shown a few scenarios once, where do they practise? Ahh yes on our urban roads.

Im sure some cop drivers are great but I would have thought most wouldn’t have enough experience (especially when they are otherwise supposed to be following the letter of the law), at least other members of the public (read us) have a chance to push the limits in perhaps a slightly more controlled environment on open roads etc and where we are not under pressure not to let someone get away.

When was the last time you saw a cop doing donuts, “testing overtaking times” on the open road or pushing hard in the twisties?

I’d like to see some continuing education in practical defensive driving, not just for cops but also for all drivers

[Lou Girardin]

Make them do 2 full days per week for 12 weeks and their crash rate just might get as low as the MOT's was.

[Sniper]

To be honest 2-3 hours of theory seems veery small when if you do a defensive driving course for your full thats 12 hours long.

True, but the majority of people who do defensive driving courses are only out to get their licenses faster rather than learn skills. I have a few mates like that who can hardly remember what was taught in the course.

[Lias]

Mmmmmmmm

I need an eye clearance, a medical clearance, and somebody to hack into the Wanganui computer.


Heh me too :-P

[mart1]

Here's your gold pass- put a hinge on your number plate, and dont stop.

[Lou Girardin]

A few countries have a gold pass.
Flash some gold, ticket passes away.

[madboy]

Here's your gold pass- put a hinge on your number plate, and dont stop.Why have a plate in the first place?

[scumdog]

Its like mates rates Squeak. If your best mate is a cop and you are too and you pull him over for speeding, would you give him a ticket?

Have done, why not?

How fast am I allowed to go? Dunno, the speedo only went to 240kmh.:innocent:

[scumdog]

Make them do 2 full days per week for 12 weeks and their crash rate just might get as low as the MOT's was.


Good call Lou - trainees get 10 minutes at Mansfield - public think they're all Jensen Buttons. (unfortunately so do a few of the trainees)

[scumdog]

Mmmmmmmm

I need and somebody to hack into the Wanganui computer.

.

I hate to be the one to tell you but the Wanaganui computer has gone the way of ignition points, cross-ply tyres and chain drive...

[mart1]

Why have a plate in the first place?
The wind lifts the plate when you go over about 120k, and it comes back down when riding slow.

[Lazy7]

its a pity you dont get teh bronze silver gold scheme for civilians when passing your licence test.

bronze means you have to stick to the road signs and your only allowed 100hp cars and 30hp bikes

silver means you get to go 10ks over and are allowed 150hp cars and 60hp bikes

gold means you get to go 30ks over and are open to cars or bikes of your choice.

[scumdog]

its a pity you dont get teh bronze silver gold scheme for civilians when passing your licence test.

bronze means you have to stick to the road signs and your only allowed 100hp cars and 30hp bikes

silver means you get to go 10ks over and are allowed 150hp cars and 60hp bikes

gold means you get to go 30ks over and are open to cars or bikes of your choice.


But most would struggle on a good day to get as high as bronze..:wait:

[WINJA]

But most would struggle on a good day to get as high as bronze..:wait:
NOT ME IM ALREADY A PLATINUM LICENCE HOLDER , THAT MEANS AS FAST AS I LIKE WHEN I LIKE:first:

SUCK MY BALLS SCUMMY

[scumdog]

NOT ME IM ALREADY A PLATINUM LICENCE HOLDER , THAT MEANS AS FAST AS I LIKE WHEN I LIKE:first:

SUCK MY BALLS SCUMMY

Suck them? At the speeds you run at I'd be running over them, best you just move over and let me pass - less pain for you eh?

[Lazy7]

But most would struggle on a good day to get as high as bronze..:wait:

yeap. you are on the money.

[Ixion]

I hate to be the one to tell you but the Wanaganui computer has gone the way of ignition points, cross-ply tyres and chain drive...

Hm. Yep, got all three of those. So what's this about the computer then?

[Shadows]

I hate to be the one to tell you but the Wanaganui computer has gone the way of ignition points, cross-ply tyres and chain drive...

Hehe, yeah I realise that, but it kind of has a ring to it.

So does "points, cross-ply tyres and chain drive" actually...

[NSR-Dan]

i think there could be a market in this. get the gold pass and flick it off on trademe to some rich foreign guy. then tell the dudes at the aa you lost it.

[madboy]

The wind lifts the plate when you go over about 120k, and it comes back down when riding slow.Nice when you're doing over 120k. Doesn't suit my riding style, though, sometimes I do drop below 120k for safety reasons, and still don't want my plate seen.

[scumdog]

Nice when you're doing over 120k. Doesn't suit my riding style, though, sometimes I do drop below 120k for safety reasons, and still don't want my plate seen.

The paranoia will eat you up Grasshopper!

[madboy]

The paranoia will eat you up Grasshopper!Hey, I gotta 'nuff voices in my head, I don't need yours too! Now go polish your new Hard-somethingorother...

[the legend]

i think its 80km in 50km zone and no more than 140 or 160 on the open road but here cops u cant tell them what to do there the law

[Pixie]

What I have a problem with is that some cops just aren't natural born drivers. Passing a test is great, lots of people can pass tests, but it still doesn't mean they're any good at what they've been tested on.
Like the two cops that collided at the intersection of St Lukes Rd and Sandringham Rd a couple of years ago -going to the same incident :laugh:

[scumdog]

It's always a laugh when cops crash.

When I find out why I'll let y'all know (unless it me!!)

[Lou Girardin]

It's always a laugh when cops crash.

When I find out why I'll let y'all know (unless it me!!)

Schadenfreude is why.

[spudchucka]

I'm shocked Lou, I always knew you were cynical but "pleasure taken from someone else's misfortune"? Thats bordering on sadistic.

[SPman]

I'm shocked Lou, I always knew you were cynical but "pleasure taken from someone else's misfortune"? Thats bordering on sadistic.
And you're surprised...???????....:whistle:

[spudchucka]

And you're surprised...???????....:whistle:
No....... I can't back that up!

[Quasievil]

200 Kmph north of huntly:gob: , chasing a VTR1000.............got him to, at about 1am
Bikes cant always out run cops.

that was going down the big dip just north of Rangiriri.

[N4CR]

200 Kmph north of huntly:gob: , chasing a VTR1000.............got him to, at about 1am
Bikes cant always out run cops.

that was going down the big dip just north of Rangiriri.

Explain a bit more please.. (interested).

[The_Dover]

Explain a bit more please.. (interested).

He was on a Honda.

Honda's are slow.

The pig caught him and corn holed him back at the station house.

Yee haw!!

[Lou Girardin]

I'm shocked Lou, I always knew you were cynical but "pleasure taken from someone else's misfortune"? Thats bordering on sadistic.

It took you 3 1/2 hours to look that up?

[Quasievil]

Explain a bit more please.. (interested).

Well its a long story but here ya go.

Heading into Huntly northbound me and mate noticed 3 headlights coming at speed from behind us, we accelerated hard and got into a position to turn around and capture them under radar, got the bike at 94km/h in a 70kmph, nothing major but we wanted a chat, we pulled alongside the car and prompted them to pull over, they did , then came up behing the bike with our lights on, the bike took off, we clocked him at 140kmph on the main street of Huntly (shop area) in pursuit we radioed ahead to another car to set up a roving block at ohinewai, the bike came up to the other patrol car (placed in the middle of the road with lights on) and predicatibly went around it and continued at speed. We radioed Papakura who started heading south and the Eagle also got involved. we hit huge speeds and constantly had the bike in view however he was disapearing on the straights but we caught him on the corners as we knew the road he didnt.
Comms in the meantime called the pursuit of (which means turn lights off and keep going) we approached the meremere area and the rider almost crashed, he went around two more corners and pulled over, I jumped out of the car and grabbed him by the helmet and took him down, he was promptly cuffed and trans[ported back to Huntly where he spent a night in the cells in Hamilton. he was later convicted of all soughts of shit and lost his bike.

thats about it really.
Hope ya enjoyed the story, now know doubt you will all pick the shite out of it, but thats fine

[The_Dover]

Were you personally involved in the corn holing?

[Lou Girardin]

Comms in the meantime called the pursuit of (which means turn lights off and keep going) we approached the meremere area and the rider almost crashed, he went around two more corners and pulled over, I jumped out of the car and grabbed him by the helmet and took him down,

That confirms what we all knew anyway. Called off the pursuit eh, just like they did in Whangarei.

How do you reconcile assaulting a fellow biker, with your own riding escapades?

[onearmedbandit]

It was VTR1000, could've waited 5 more minutes and it would've run out of gas anyway.

[Quasievil]

How do you reconcile assaulting a fellow biker, with your own riding escapades?


Oh thats a simple one to answer mate, one he was riding at hugely excessive speed, and as far as we knew he could have just completed a rape a robbery, a murder fuck knows?
Do you think I was going to give him any chance to assault me? nope he was going to go down hard and as fast as possible to prevent any injury to myself or my mate, he could have pulled a gun, a knive. I arrived as he was stepping of his bike he didnt even get both feet on the ground before he was taken down. He wasnt a fellow biker he was as far as I was concerned a criminal with intent yet to be discovered.

you were joking right Mr Lou?

[Quasievil]

It was VTR1000, could've waited 5 more minutes and it would've run out of gas anyway.

Lucky he wasnt riding a Ducati, it would have been 2 minutes

[Lou Girardin]

Oh thats a simple one to answer mate, one he was riding at hugely excessive speed,

94 k's in a 70?

[Quasievil]

94 k's in a 70?

Thats right, he had an option to stop and say "err sorry about that" and as we where both bikers we might have sadi slow down and take it easy, but no he did a runner didnt he, we estimated his speed at times to be over 200kmph, so basically his choice was a bad one eh? but none the less his choice and his alone

[Finn]

Hang on. Are you a pig Quasi?

[Quasievil]

Hang on. Are you a pig Quasi?

No, ten whatevers

[Lou Girardin]

Thats right, he had an option to stop and say "err sorry about that" and as we where both bikers we might have sadi slow down and take it easy, but no he did a runner didnt he, we estimated his speed at times to be over 200kmph, so basically his choice was a bad one eh? but none the less his choice and his alone

OK, his choice then.
Perhaps he was running out of demerits, that's the most common reason to run.
Did he resist arrest or attempt to run away?
Does he know he was assaulted by a member of the public?
Because he just might now.
BTW what were all the evils he was convicted of, all traffic or were they real crimes?

[The_Dover]

No, ten whatevers

Is your man-husband a pig?

[Quasievil]

OK, his choice then.
Perhaps he was running out of demerits, that's the most common reason to run.
Did he resist arrest or attempt to run away?
Does he know he was assaulted by a member of the public?
Because he just might now.
BTW what were all the evils he was convicted of, all traffic or were they real crimes?

He owed lots in un paid fines and had a warrant out for his arrest for another matter.
He wasnt assaulted by a member of the public. he was however apprehended.
I actually dont care if he was a biker or not really, some people do dum things and must realise when doing so there will be a result which may not be to their liking eh?
anyway those days are behind me, dont hang out with the boys in blue any more, on to other things.

[spudchucka]

It took you 3 1/2 hours to look that up?
I was busy looking up a decent bike shop on the net that has some sharp deals on boots.

What concerns me is that you knew what it meant without having to look it up.

[scumdog]

Oh thats a simple one to answer mate, one he was riding at hugely excessive speed, and as far as we knew he could have just completed a rape a robbery, a murder fuck knows?
Do you think I was going to give him any chance to assault me? nope he was going to go down hard and as fast as possible to prevent any injury to myself or my mate, he could have pulled a gun, a knive. I arrived as he was stepping of his bike he didnt even get both feet on the ground before he was taken down. He wasnt a fellow biker he was as far as I was concerned a criminal with intent yet to be discovered.

you were joking right Mr Lou?

Some ballsy calls there Quasi.

Good shit!!!

Amazing how many think because I ride a bike I should automatically be favourable to ALL bike riders. WTF????

They run - I chase - they crash - doesn't hurt me, ah life is so simple, they made a bad choice, (piss is SO unflattering on riding abilities)!!.

They don't run, are reasonable in their attitude and behaviour then I just might be the same with them.

[Quasievil]

Thanks for the bad rep SIXPACKBACK, quote
"Nioce move bringin down a fellow biker, of course you never speed...scummy move!""

I guess your in capable of reason and you think that any biker should be able to get away with anything simply because they know how to ride a bike, well mate there a plenty of bikers I wouldnt give the time of day to as there are even Kiwibikers I wouldnt give the time of day to, yourself for example.
I speed all the time, but I dont involve the police in 40 km speed chases at speeds over 200 kmph with road blocks and I certainly dont do it on state highway one. Like I said he could have been running for any reason and once he stopped it wasnt going to be pleasantries on the side of the road from us and as far as we were concerned it wasnt going to be from him either.
Prior chase in Huntly a guy got out and started swinging a Wheel Brace smashing the windscreen of the patrol car, he was stopped for speeding, maybe we should have let him go for it cause he may have had a bike in his shed at home?
One day Sixpackback you might like to wake up and smell the scent of reality in life buddy, in the meantime start the process of growing up.

[Lou Girardin]

I was busy looking up a decent bike shop on the net that has some sharp deals on boots.

What concerns me is that you knew what it meant without having to look it up.

Age brings wisdom. (and a capacity for trivia)

[Ozzie]

At what point does public safety come into it?

Fair enough, he fucked up, he was caught, as it should be. BUT!

Fuck, 200ks and you guys are still chasing? Have you not heard of the radio? It goes faster than any bike, keep an eye on him, he has to stop sooner or later.

What if me and my 3 kids come round the corner in the cage, and this dipstick (or an under talented cop) drift on the wrong side of the road in a forced error? He's dead, I'm dead, and chances are my kids aren't gunna get off that easy.

There are dumb fucks all over, raving about how fast they go and how cool they are. You are all the same, wearing blue, flashing lights or not. Just as dumb as the dickhead you were chasing.

Think Grow up is some of your own advise you should take!

Break the law, get caught :rockon: , chase or be chased and kill some innocent ?????

[scumdog]

Then at what point SHOULD a chase be called off??

There's already drongos out there that believe the urban myth that "the cops will call the chase off if you go faster than 160kph" so tend to try and go faster than that - and would do that speed and more regardless of how fast the pursuit car was travelling so the chase will be 'called-off' and they can 'get away'.

[Quasievil]

At what point does public safety come into it?

Fair enough, he fucked up, he was caught, as it should be. BUT!

Fuck, 200ks and you guys are still chasing? Have you not heard of the radio? It goes faster than any bike, keep an eye on him, he has to stop sooner or later.

What if me and my 3 kids come round the corner in the cage, and this dipstick (or an under talented cop) drift on the wrong side of the road in a forced error? He's dead, I'm dead, and chances are my kids aren't gunna get off that easy.

There are dumb fucks all over, raving about how fast they go and how cool they are. You are all the same, wearing blue, flashing lights or not. Just as dumb as the dickhead you were chasing.

Think Grow up is some of your own advise you should take!

Break the law, get caught :rockon: , chase or be chased and kill some innocent ?????

Fair call, I agree., however It was along time ago, and things have changed alot since then.
The Pursuit was called of and the job was radioed ahead and officers where heading south to catch him as well. He already had gone around one pilice road block, at this point you start to think something is going down a bit bigger than a traffic offence, yeah?
During the whole pursuit at 1 am the traffic was very slight if any.
I agree with you though about Public safety, at the time it wasnt comprimised cause there was no one around. I think these days the whole event would go down alot differently, given the new directives the cops work to in pursuits.
The car topped at 200 kmph (going downhill) probably the average was 140kmph - 160 kmph, given the enviroment it wasnt really a big deal, big wide state one roads etc.
Anyway, IM not going to justify the situation to anyone to much, point being I dont need to, However like most things there are two sides to every story.

[Ozzie]

Then at what point SHOULD a chase be called off??

There's already drongos out there that believe the urban myth that "the cops will call the chase off if you go faster than 160kph" so tend to try and go faster than that - and would do that speed and more regardless of how fast the pursuit car was travelling so the chase will be 'called-off' and they can 'get away'.

I understand the plight, perhaps the question better asked is: At what point is catching this dickhead worth killing someone for?

The prospect he may have killed someone, or raped or whatever, is that worth pushing the envelope and having him, you, or a family of inoccents killed?

You guys are there to protect, directly and indirectly. I am certain, through all the events you described, someone must have got his plate????

And you said Eagle was involved, can't outrun Eagle. Must be a 2 minute flight from Clevedon. At least in this case, the dumb fuck you were chasing had the good sense to recognise if he kept going, chances are he was going to be dead, and it wasn't worth it.

[The Stranger]

For Gold passes, please see the www.newcops.co.nz (http://www.newcops.co.nz) website and you will be well on your way.

Basically consists of a 2-3 hour theory lecture and test on driving / pursuit policy plus a 2-3 hour practical driving assessment... just like sitting your drivers licence all over again but slightly more complex. If the instructor isn't happy with your driving, then you get a Silver or Bronze (which limits what you can do, mainly in pursuits). You can apply to be re-assessed every 6 months I think if you want to try again for Gold.

Hmm... So we are not all created equal? Kind of interesting, that the police recognise that driver ability is a factor is safe speeding and the police are allowed different levels of latitiude as a result.

I look forward to the day when our licensing system allows for variable ability in the rest of us.

[scumdog]

GOLD.
(What else?)

[scumdog]

I understand the plight, perhaps the question better asked is: At what point is catching this dickhead worth killing someone for?

The prospect he may have killed someone, or raped or whatever, is that worth pushing the envelope and having him, you, or a family of inoccents killed?

You guys are there to protect, directly and indirectly. I am certain, through all the events you described, someone must have got his plate????

And you said Eagle was involved, can't outrun Eagle. Must be a 2 minute flight from Clevedon. At least in this case, the dumb fuck you were chasing had the good sense to recognise if he kept going, chances are he was going to be dead, and it wasn't worth it.

And if it went the way you think it should somebody somewhere would say "The useless bastards let him get away"

Ya can't win in this job (they never told me that in the 'job description')

[Ozzie]

"The useless bastards let him get away"

Perhaps, but considering the shit fight that would have been if he had of crashed....which scenario is better?

I don't envy the job, as long as you chase, people are gunna want to run. Be it for a serious crime, points, or ego, it will happen.

Just like it was skited
"200 Kmph north of huntly , chasing a VTR1000.............got him to", others will skite that they were the ones that got away. Your right, cant win, but my point is SAFETY, is my life worth loosing cause some dumb ass wants to say "I beat the cops, got up to 200 ks an hour" and another one wants to say "I got the bastard, doing 200 ks an hour, thought he could out run me, I showed him!".

Then you could write on the grave stone...."He died doing nothing wrong, but hey, and least we got that speeding rider and showed him who's boss!"

[Quasievil]

Perhaps, but considering the shit fight that would have been if he had of crashed....which scenario is better?

I don't envy the job, as long as you chase, people are gunna want to run. Be it for a serious crime, points, or ego, it will happen.

Just like it was skited , others will skite that they were the ones that got away. Your right, cant win, but my point is SAFETY, is my life worth loosing cause some dumb ass wants to say "I beat the cops, got up to 200 ks an hour" and another one wants to say "I got the bastard, doing 200 ks an hour, thought he could out run me, I showed him!".

Then you could write on the grave stone...."He died doing nothing wrong, but hey, and least we got that speeding rider and showed him who's boss!"


Sitting in a car doing excessive speed is not as dangerous as a large majority of other police work

[Ozzie]

I accept it isn't as dangerous for you, but it isn't you that I'm worried about.

Anyway, it sounds a lot like me slagging off cops, which is not what I wanted to do. I am slagging off people with a need for speed and piss talk that outranks their ability to make sound decisions.

Good on the cops, they do a job I wouldn't do, and mostly do it well. The ones I know are all great guys (and girls) and I'm pretty sure all of them would give me a ticket if I deserved one, it is their job after all.

[Lou Girardin]

It's interesting that we always hear; "he could have drugs/have a weapon/ be a labour voter etc' as a justification for endangering the public during a chase.
The bottom line is that, this guy (and the one in Whangarei) were only speeding, the reason to chase is no more than that.
It's not an indictable offence. (yet)

[scumdog]

It's interesting that we always hear; "he could have drugs/have a weapon/ be a labour voter etc' as a justification for endangering the public during a chase.
The bottom line is that, this guy (and the one in Whangarei) were only speeding, the reason to chase is no more than that.
It's not an indictable offence. (yet)

So anybody that refuses to stop?

We just let 'em go, seems fair enough to me, let's all do runners eh, better than a ticket, - I guess I'll have to pick on parked cars from now on..:blah:

Of course we all KNEW the dick at Whangarei was only speeding and doing nothing else eh? (Tui's moment here):wait:

20-20 hindsight, we all have it.:yes:

[Ozzie]

I guess I'll have to pick on parked cars from now on..:blah:

Surely there is some middle ground between parked cars and 200 km/h.

There has to be a logical decision at some point, like:

Fuck, we are going too fast, it isn't safe for us, him, and anyone else around the place. Let him go, get the chopper in, even if he gets away, at least noone has died unneccessarily! It's just not worth it.

Take some stats;

How many bikes are stopped a day?
Of the ones that don't want to stop?
How many are on the run hardened crims?
How many jump out of the car swinging bats, bars, or guns?

Would think the clear majority would have to be just speeding, or running from a low grade offence and fairly safe to aprehend.

[scumdog]

Take some stats;

How many bikes are stopped a day?
Of the ones that don't want to stop?
How many are on the run hardened crims?
How many jump out of the car swinging bats, bars, or guns?
.

It would only take one and your day would be ruined.

Look at it another way, how many who do a successful runner ARE hardened crims with something to hide?

And everybody has a different perception as to what is a 'dangerous' speed or situation, too hard to draw a hard and fast (pun?) line.

[Ozzie]

Well, may the force be with you!

I hope I'm never speeding around you, or on the road when someone else is!

[Ozzie]

To go on a tangent, Scumdog, noting that you've been on here since Adam wore nappies. What's with the green boxes and the star sign under my name?

[scumdog]

To go on a tangent, Scumdog, noting that you've been on here since Adam wore nappies. What's with the green boxes and the star sign under my name?

The stars indicate rank (i.e. number of posts you have made)
The green squares indicate how popular you are. (Gree one = people agree with you, red one = they don't agree with you, - somtimes greenhorns think red square is 'dissing' you but all it means that they don't agree with what you posted, now the comment that goes with the squares....well that's a different story)

[spudchucka]

I look forward to the day when our licensing system allows for variable ability in the rest of us.
Sorry to say this, but........... only in your dreams.

[The Stranger]

Sorry to say this, but........... only in your dreams.

You just wait until I am the minister of transport.
Man there are going to be some changes!!

[2much]

SI guess I'll have to pick on parked cars from now on..:blah:

It would make for a good start. How about one particular car parked outside the pub in Hawera?..... Oops, too late!

[Lou Girardin]

It would make for a good start. How about one particular car parked outside the pub in Hawera?..... Oops, too late!

Be fair. There were a lot of junior gang members outside the pub that night, and they had to go get a cuppa to settle their nerves too.

[scumdog]

It would make for a good start. How about one particular car parked outside the pub in Hawera?..... Oops, too late!

The parked car was no problem, it was a moving one that crashed!:nya:

[Lou Girardin]

The parked car was no problem, it was a moving one that crashed!:nya:

You don't know the story then?

[Ozzie]

You don't know the story then?

I don't, and up for another 'discussion' this morning, please enlighten Lou

[scumdog]

You don't know the story then?

Yep I do - and while he was parked he never caused any problem - it was after he ceased to be parked and was moving that he became a problem.

But as usual it's easier to say the cops caused the problem by not catching him la la la........

It was actually a T.O.s fault for giving him a licence in the first place - oh and the car salesmans for selling him the car....and oh, those vans are highly dengerous, look at what happened to the people in it...ad neauseum, ad infinitum.

There was one person to blame- THE FERWIT LOSER THAT WAS DRIVING WHILE PISSED.

[Lou Girardin]

You've got to admit it's not a good look.
They chase an offender at high speed and pull out of the chase when he nearly crashes. Then they see the car parked at a pub, but decide not to go in because there are gang members present and they need a cuppa to settle their nerves (the cops words). So the car is under surveillance, but the cops don't get told when the guy leaves.
He drives off and kills 4 - 5? occupants of a van.
If you're going to be a cop, sometimes you have to take risks to protect the public. Otherwise join Securitas.

[Ozzie]

Stopped the chase, good.

Then what????

Did they call for backup? They oviously weren't watching him.

Guess there wasn't enough skite value in saying they walked into a pub to get him, or waited till he came outside to nab him????

[spudchucka]

You've got to admit it's not a good look.
They chase an offender at high speed and pull out of the chase when he nearly crashes. Then they see the car parked at a pub, but decide not to go in because there are gang members present and they need a cuppa to settle their nerves (the cops words). So the car is under surveillance, but the cops don't get told when the guy leaves.
He drives off and kills 4 - 5? occupants of a van.
If you're going to be a cop, sometimes you have to take risks to protect the public. Otherwise join Securitas.
Had they positively identified the person who was driving the car at the time they abandoned the pursuit?

If not, was there any point entering the pub to locate the person, "Oi, whose driving the XXXX parked in the carpark, we wanna talk to you".... Answer...... silence! Or is it OK to just go into the pub, locate the registered owner and lock him / her up without being able to say 100% that they were the driver in the pusuit.

Plan B: Position cops nearby, watch the vehicle and nab the bastard once he returns to his car.

They positioned a cop car around the corner and had the vehicle under video surveilance, (not a bad plan so far). The cops that were in the pursuit went back to the station to calm their nerves with nice cups of tea, (bad move, they need to harden up). The bad guy leaves the pub, gets into car, drives off. The person watching the video tries to call the cops parked nearby to alert them but the radios have apparently malfunctioned, (technology, who would have thought that it might let you down). The bad guy drives off but the cops waiting for him aren't alerted because the radios are puckaru, the bad guy drives down the road and kills people.

If the comms hadn't failed then their plan would probably have worked. I think they let themselves down pretty badly by allowing the cops involved in the pursuit to go back to the station. They should have had at least two units covering the pub in positions where they are able to visually see the offending car as it begins to move. Thats not always too easy depending on the geographical location and because marked police cars do tend to stand out like dogs ball. I guess thats why they went with the video surveillance option.

Regardless of what the cops did or didn't do nothing takes the responsibility away from the arsehole that drove while intoxicated that night.

[scumdog]

Gee Spud, YOUR version makes too much sense to be on KB. sounds almost as accurate as the info I got too!!

I prefer the rabid half-truths gleaned from cheesy periodicals, so much more dramatic!!:innocent: