Now they want to own the trees!!

[Biff]

So now some over jealous Maori group is laying claim to owning the right to 'control' ownership all NZ indigenous trees and flora. They claim that they have a right to be able to charge people for growing all indigenous plants and trees.

Idiots.

That's gods job.
I'm his agent.
Cheques to the usual address please.

[Gremlin]

Give them a hand... they take an arm... :yawn:

[Drum]

And after all we've done for them too!

Last one to leave the country, please turn off the lights.

Goddammit, we're taking the booze, ciggies and drugs too!

[oldrider]

Give them a hand... they take an arm... :yawn:
Yes, and they come back for the wrist later! :yes:

[Indoo]

So now some over jealous Maori group is laying claim to owning the right to 'control' ownership all NZ indigenous trees and flora. They claim that they have a right to be able to charge people for growing all indigenous plants and trees.
.

Don't be racist now, we all know ancient Maori scientists genetically engineered all native plants and trees. They really valued conservation too, thats why they wiped out the Moa to protect said plants and tree's. Thats also why they are never caught illegally taking vast amounts of immature paua and other seafood.

[C_A]

great idea. honestly. tax the fuck out of homos that wanna do this sorta shit

'aww they're our trees au'.

sweet, go live in them in yor grass skirts with NO TECHNOLOGY, 'traditional styles'

fuckers

[boomer]

Got to give it to 'em for trying! You don't ask you don't get

[deathstar]

in the words of the physiother Jagger "you can't alway get what you want, but if you ask for lots of thing because you live here .... you get what you need and the sea bed too"

[kickingzebra]

Got to give it to 'em for trying! You don't ask you don't get

Hey boomer... can I have your (real) bike bro????
I have a maori uncle?!?!

[Grahameeboy]

and of course it has nothing to do with money does it!!!!

[blacksheep]

we never laid a claim against the romans for invaiding the uk,and what good did they do for us?--------well the roads,eh and the sanitation oh and the wine,and aqueducts yeah where would we be if it wasn't for the bloody romans.

[Grahameeboy]

we never laid a claim against the romans for invaiding the uk,and what good did they do for us?--------well the roads,eh and the sanitation oh and the wine,and aqueducts yeah where would we be if it wasn't for the bloody romans.

and the Normans....Vikings...geeze, poor old Maori's.......they just got invaded by McDonalds!!!!!

[Lou Girardin]

Not to mention the tobacco companies engaging in legal genocide against Maoris. (According to Maoris that is)
Poor widdle diddums, always the victims.

[Da Bird]

This article is a few years old now and was written around the time of the Foreshore and Seabed debate...

http://www.arena.org.nz/sbrant.htm

[sAsLEX]

I think you need to redefine what they want: They want a slice of the profits of hard working NZ's through no hard work of their own, they do not want to spend money ensuring their natives that are nearing extinction are survived to a new generation they just want to see the $$$ rolling in!

[Maha]

They will never own our home/property
They will never own my Triumph
They will never own our business
They will never own my right to do what ever i want
As long as they stay away from the above, i will be happy.....
They can have the grass just stop giving them money
Look what happened to Raglan golf course years ago.......idiots

[Flatcap]

Why don't these dorks just concentrate on their key talents - smoking, drinking, eating and gambling - and leave the legislation to the Communists in power. The bottom-feeders will get a good dose of wealth distribution from the hard working public anyway

[Beemer]

I'm really surprised they haven't tried to claim sole rights to the word and colour black.

If they were here from the start of NZ maybe they'd have some claim to everything, but they were colonists just like the Europeans who followed them - and the Chinese who supposedly got here first!

Give me a break, every time I think I have heard it all, they turn around and lay claim to something else. Forests, seabed, foreshore - you name it, if there is a potential to make some money, suddenly it should be owned by Maori. Any wonder so many kiwis are heading to Australia?

[avgas]

May Tane Mahuta wreck vengance on them for trying to claim the forrest. Its sad when a civilisation forgets its religeon

[avgas]

If they were here from the start of NZ maybe they'd have some claim to everything, but they were colonists just like the Europeans who followed them - and the Chinese who supposedly got here first!
Dont forget the vikings down south!!! 2000+years ago

[Free Rider]

I think they should do some work for their money instead of trying to claim it all.

[zadok]

Psalm 24: 1 The earth is the LORD's, and the fullness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

[MidnightMike]

This article is a few years old now and was written around the time of the Foreshore and Seabed debate...

http://www.arena.org.nz/sbrant.htm

Bloody good read that, I completely agree, ignore the bottom 'response' though. :oi-grr:

[sAsLEX]

I'm really surprised they haven't tried to claim sole rights to the word and colour black.



They claimed they had the copyright to their culture! When Playstation released a game that had "fierce maori warriors" or something in it they kicked up a stink! Until some money swapped hands at a rough guess.

[Flatcap]

The Irish should trademark St Paddys day - they could make some serious coin!

[MidnightMike]

Soon we are going to have to pay them just to say the word maori :shutup:

[Finn]

Why are you all complaining? Clearly you wanted this by voting for lefties and they know whats best for all of us. Even third world countries like Brasil are laughing at us. Embarrassing.

[Flatcap]

Soon we are going to have to pay them just to say the word maori :shutup:


Exactly. What these activists dont seem to understand is that if they copyright their culture, their culture will become even less relevant.

The likes of the Irish and Scottish culture has spread throughout the world. If people have to pay to use Maori icons (e.g. the Playstation Warrior example above) these icons will just not be used. Stupid Maori activists should be glad their culture is seen as interesting enough by the rest of the world to be used at all. They are just a small indigenous tribe at the ends of the earth and should celebrate the global interest they are experiencing at the moment

[MidnightMike]

Want this to stop?, then you should have voted for National then ya twats. :doobey:

[Flatcap]

Why are you all complaining? Clearly you wanted this by voting for lefties and they know whats best for all of us. Even third world countries like Brasil are laughing at us. Embarrassing.

I didn't vote for the no-kids lesbo, despite being in her electorate and being surrounded by morons who did.

Fucking moose faced embarrassment she is....

[avgas]

I didnt vote, as a good percentage of the country didnt........ you think the governtment would get the hint and disband

[chickenfunkstar]

I fail to see what this has to do with the Government. I read the first post as "So now some over jealous Maori group is laying claim to owning the right to 'control' ownership all NZ indigenous trees and flora" not "Labour wants to give some over jealous Maori group the right to 'control' ownership of all NZ indigenous trees and flora"

How come everyone's problems are the fault of Labour? Who's really living their lives as victims?

[Macktheknife]

I say with regard to the seabed and foreshore, and every other claim, you want it... go do a sit in. Preferably out past the low tide mark!
You want the rights to control the native trees and such, cool but with that goes the responsibility and the right to be held responsible for any cock-ups you make.
If there is any controlling rights to any national asset or interest, such as coal, oil, fisheries, gas, mineral rights etc. Then the rest of us should also have the right to counter-claim for any loss or mis-management of said asset. If the benefits are not going to go equally to all then I say F%$CK off. I bet they wouldnt be quite so keen to claim stuff if they had to be held responsible for the profit making and sharing.

[sunhuntin]

I'm really surprised they haven't tried to claim sole rights to the word and colour black.


they do that there another word ill use then....starts with an "N" and ends with "R". in my understanding, a black is an african american.

not such a bad idea...all of us "invaders" fuck off to aussie for 50 years, come back and maori would have wiped themselves out! let them have the bush and the water and whatever else, but dont expect us "invaders" to supply nice housing and food. go build a hut and catch a kiwi.

[diggydog]

Hey you guy's get real, you guy's need to smoke more weed and drink more ales ever day and night.Everybody loves those plants oh i mean trees.:innocent:

[Indiana_Jones]

Why don't these dorks just concentrate on their key talents - smoking, drinking, eating and gambling - and leave the legislation to the Communists in power. The bottom-feeders will get a good dose of wealth distribution from the hard working public anyway

What he said :yes:

-Indy

[MSTRS]

Says it all really....

[Magua]

It's going before the waitangi tribunal, which has no power, so they can claim whatever they want as the government is just going to ignore the claim.

Seriously though, what the fuck. Is this a joke that went too far? "You should try and claim the trees cuz, haw haw haw."

[scumdog]

they do that there another word ill use then....starts with an "N" and ends with "R". in my understanding, a black is an african american.

.

That word is a corruption of Negro so for our natives it's a misnomer.

[sunhuntin]

That word is a corruption of Negro so for our natives it's a misnomer.

what other word to use then? the youths of the natives have taken that word and happily call each other that, so yeh.

[Winston001]

Jeez Wayne! What a lot of reactionary knee-jerk whiteys. I'm a bit Treaty fatigued too but on a global perspective, the reparations system we have in New Zealand for Maori, leads the world. The only other country I can think of which has started to move in the same direction is Canada with the Iniuit.

I have no doubt that the Aussies will eventually, grudgingly, recognise the genocide casually practised against the Aboriginals. The Americans will, albeit centuries too late, similarly try to redress wrongs against American Natives. But the USA has firstly to resolve the legacy of slavery, and while they are trying to deal with black Americans, they have a compounding problem of Hispanic Americans who slightly outnumber the black already.

So we are leaders. And don't forget - the Waitangi Tribunal settlements have been supported by both Labour and National.

[Skyryder]

Want this to stop?, then you should have voted for National then ya twats. :doobey:


Stop?? Did I hear you say stop. Pull the other one. Fucking National started all this. Now they are talking doing deals with the Maori Party.

Skyryder

[sAsLEX]

Jeez Wayne! What a lot of reactionary knee-jerk whiteys. I'm a bit Treaty fatigued too but on a global perspective, the reparations system we have in New Zealand for Maori, leads the world. The only other country I can think of which has started to move in the same direction is Canada with the Iniuit.

I have no doubt that the Aussies will eventually, grudgingly, recognise the genocide casually practised against the Aboriginals. The Americans will, albeit centuries too late, similarly try to redress wrongs against American Natives. But the USA has firstly to resolve the legacy of slavery, and while they are trying to deal with black Americans, they have a compounding problem of Hispanic Americans who slightly outnumber the black already.

So we are leaders. And don't forget - the Waitangi Tribunal settlements have been supported by both Labour and National.


INjians in the states have huge swaths of land covered in profit making casinos.

So your saying the Maoris somehow used to own the native flora and funa? Do the abbos own the koala and claim royalties on all merchandise with their animals picture on it?

[Phurrball]

*Warning! Angry rant!*

Thank you Winston! There are knees twitching a plenty at a reflexive level in threads like this, with little deep brain involvement!

There seems to be wee few fundamental misunderstandings in here! I'm no tikanga expert, but the Foreshore and Seabed Act was a kneejerk reaction in and of itself in response to the court of appeal in Attorney-General v Ngati Apa (Under that name in [2003] 3 NZLR 643 if you're interested:blip: ) which dared suggest that Maori might be entitled to a bit of foreshore and seabed themselves! Good god, what was our highest level domestic appellate court (at the time) thinking! With a full coram of judges as well!

(The crown has underlying radicle title to all our land anyway, I don't see anyone bitching about that??)

The videogame example - I believe that the what was alleged here was more something held dear being used as a cheap, tacky form of iconography in a videogame, than a strict intellectual property issue. Perhaps more at a 'virgin in a condom' type level, although not involving freedom of expression, but mere commercial exploitation of something sacred to Maori. (Moko on a stereotyped Maori warrior in the game from memory - serious as a Moko contains all your whakapapa and history in a graphical form) Not dissimilar to the 'Maori' brand cigarettes sold in Israel a while back...

The common law and statute do not cope well with indigenous intellectual property issues, as there is no way of exercising collective ownership/guardianship.

I could go on, and on, but I wouldn't want any of you to choke on your coffee in outraged indignation...

Hows about actually getting out a few books, and learning something about tikanga? It's bloody interesting! You might just learn something and even be able to form a few *ahem* slightly more intellectually robust rebuttals of Maori claims that may be taken a little more seriously than the ignorant stereotypes portrayed in this thread!

Yes, I know many readers will be 'hating' on me now, but tough! I see a lot of this type of feeble stereotyping on KB. That's fine, I'm all for free expression, but don't kid yourselves into thinking you have any sort of defensible intellectual footholds! Or that you are in the majority, cos, maybe you aren't.

Labour are the democratically elected government. (not that they have anything to do with the treaty settlement process! Pretty sure that the Waitangi Tribunal was constituted under a national government in the 70's)

Get over it, and BTW Labour are nowhere near communist (eh Ixion?), not even hard left, more at a wee bit left of centre!

You'll get your chance at the next election like the rest of us. I'll probably be voting for Labour again unless something better crops up, so :nya:

Love, Phurrball/Ross: proudly a Pakeha New Zealander (and no, I don't belong to Labour, cos I don't like everything Labour does!)

(Can we talk about motorcycles now???:bye: )

[idb]

And while we're at it.....what has H.Clark's physical appearance got to do with how she governs the country?!

[Phurrball]

And while we're at it.....what has H.Clark's physical appearance got to do with how she governs the country?!


Aye, who said you had to be hot to govern? It's not like Don is a bastion of manliness and vigour [Think, the stock car PR photo op that went horribly wrong and the comb-over!]

(Though there's some pretty amusing humour around about Helen - no politician should be safe from clever satire!)

[bugjuice]

has anyone claimed the Pukeko's and Tui's yet?
might get my bid in..

[Phurrball]

has anyone claimed the Pukeko's and Tui's yet?
might get my bid in..

Riding a motorcycle into one at great speed seems to have worked for a few KBers Buggy...failing that, Trademe is pretty good...! You've just gotta watch out that they don't claim you and your bike first. (I'm sure there's a splattered wildlife thread somewhere)

[Winston001]

Thankyou Phurrball, rep to you.


The Foreshore and Seabed Act was a kneejerk reaction in and of itself in response to the Court of Appeal in Attorney-General v Ngati Apa (Under that name in [2003] 3 NZLR 643 if you're interested:blip: ) which dared suggest that Maori might be entitled to a bit of foreshore and seabed themselves!

Exactly. The Court said Maori had an arguable case - that's all.


The Crown has underlying radicle title to all our land anyway, I don't see anyone bitching about that??

Yep. All land is held in a lesser estate than the King/Crown. Has to be for Parliament to have sovereignity.


The videogame example - I believe that the what was alleged here was more something held dear being used as a cheap, tacky form of iconography in a videogame, than a strict intellectual property issue.

I could go on, and on, but I wouldn't want any of you to choke on your coffee in outraged indignation...

Hows about actually getting out a few books, and learning something about tikanga? It's bloody interesting! You might just learn something and even be able to form a few *ahem* slightly more intellectually robust rebuttals of Maori claims that may be taken a little more seriously than the ignorant stereotypes portrayed in this thread!

I'm all for free expression, but don't kid yourselves into thinking you have any sort of defensible intellectual footholds! Or that you are in the majority, cos, maybe you aren't.

Labour are the democratically elected government. (not that they have anything to do with the treaty settlement process! Pretty sure that the Waitangi Tribunal was constituted under a national government in the 70's)


Just an example. There was a small, scenic lake in the North Island, owned by surrounding Maori land. The local council wanted it but Maori wouldn't sell. So the council put the rates up and eventually forced a rating sale - and guess who bought it? The council itself. This was a completely deliberate process.

We shouldn't be suprised when Maori talk about grievances.

[James Deuce]

Just an example. There was a small, scenic lake in the North Island, owned by surrounding Maori land. The local council wanted it but Maori wouldn't sell. So the council put the rates up and eventually forced a rating sale - and guess who bought it? The council itself. This was a completely deliberate process.

We shouldn't be suprised when Maori talk about grievances.

That's not a race based practice. They do it to Farmers all the time. DOC also manipulate land titles to their advantage at the expense of land owners.

The suburb I live in is on land that has a Maori title in perpetuity. Our land is on a 99 year lease.

Too much emotion folks. Remove the emotion and you have a valid series of commercial options available that benefit both parties. Continue to argue from an emotive point of view and the grievance industry gets another PR point in its favour.

[The_Dover]

has anyone claimed the Pukeko's and Tui's yet?
might get my bid in..

Too late, I think Cowpoos already claimed the Tui's.

[sAsLEX]

Too late, I think Cowpoos already claimed the Tui's.

DSS has claim on the Dubbos