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Indoo

10th June 2006, 00:08

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10385800

Maori Party co-leader Tariana Turia said the study was deeply distressing.

"How many reports do we have to receive before this Government wakes up to the reality of racism."

Yes clearly that 3% difference is due to racist white doctors wanting to wipe out the Maori race.

And nothing to do with the fact that Maori often present with a wide range of health problems making them far harder to sucessfully treat due to them being vastly over represented in smoking stats, alcohol, diabetes, obesitity etc.

The ironic thing is, its people like Turia who are causing this problem. Instead of promoting healthy lifestyles and self-responsibility this obese woman (setting a fine example) would rather blame it all on racism.

oldrider

10th June 2006, 00:26

Damn it, I thought irrigation was what racism was all about. :bye:

C_A

10th June 2006, 00:27

saddens mehard.

mate rang me the other day. he went on radio live, when they gave old danna artery hooter or whatever, her 'heroes welcome' from her jail term.
he was like 'aren't you being racist, completely 'turning things the other way' so to speak?

safe to say he was cut off, mustn't have been wanting any decent debate on there that day

Drum

10th June 2006, 00:41

Ha ha. Dont ya love statistics.

If they divided the categories up by age, or hair colour, or whether you drive a cage or ride a bike we would see that not only are the doctors racist, they are also predjudiced against old bastards, gingers and bikers too.

oh shit. Im all three.

kickingzebra

10th June 2006, 01:19

Big Dave

10th June 2006, 01:20

Funny, but I rarely notice race.

I'll be asking about the Maori and they will say 'But I'm a Maori, Dave.' And I go 'oh! so you are.'

Yer all just Kiwis to me. Bit of a shame the politicians aren't that way.

Marmoot

10th June 2006, 09:46

Here I am clicking on this thread looking for information about Rossi......
:mellow:

marty

10th June 2006, 09:50

it's either very enjoyable, or maybe even hedonistic, to live your life as a victim

Flatcap

10th June 2006, 09:59

it's either very enjoyable, or maybe even hedonistic, to live your life as a victim

You would think so wouldn't you. Why don't these fat arse, booze swilling, chain smoking losers wake up to the fact they only have themselves to blame when they start dying.

SARGE

10th June 2006, 09:59

wonder how racist the Indian / Chinese doctors are ..

dont think i've seen a white doctor in NZ yet..

Flatcap

10th June 2006, 10:15

[QUOTE=SARGE]wonder how racist the Indian / Chinese doctors are ..

[QUOTE]

They are all driving taxis aren't they?

Marmoot

10th June 2006, 10:24

dont think i've seen a white doctor in NZ yet..

There was one in Hamilton, and she was a fine young lady indeed.
She said my heartbeat is slightly faster than normal.
.........don't blame me...she didn't button her white coat properly

madboy

10th June 2006, 10:38

I think I've had enough to do with the medical profession in recent years to be somewhat offended by what TellyTubby Turia has to say. How about she go tell her bros to lay off the booze, the ciggies, the sedentary lifestyle and start complying with medical advice and treatment. Then maybe the losers might start being lesser represented in the statistics. It's not the doctors fault, you can only help those who want to be helped. The bloody doctors have enough work to do helping their patients who want help, let alone wasting time on the bastards who don't.

Current PHO funding is based on ethnicity (you're either Maori/PI or you're not - that's fair in NZ society isn't it). If you're not quite dirt poor and not quite Maori or PI, you're the victim in NZ.

But that's okay, the Treaty gave Maori exclusive rights to be victims for as long as they f***ing please. Good luck to them, I say, I hope the victims keep being non-compliant, I hope they keep downing the booze, I hope they keep chain smoking, and I hope they keep the shit diet. At least then the buggers will keep dying young and the sooner the asians will take over. Say what you like about asians, but at least they're not milking too much of my taxes.

That's right Maori - be victims.

Flatcap

10th June 2006, 10:42

Say what you like about asians, but at least they're not milking too much of my taxes.

Good point Madboy - Asians and Indians have too much self respect to rely on the state

WINJA

10th June 2006, 10:48

Squeak the Rat

10th June 2006, 11:00

Any one who listens to or even respects the opinions of a corrupt fat slapper criminal needs a good doc marten to the large intestine via the sphincter.

Get some one who deserves some respect to raise the same point and I will listen and argue rationally. Get this self absorbed heammoriod sucking leech involved and I will cover my ears, rock backwards and forwards saying la-la-la-la-la-la-la before round house kicking her to the head.

Denny Crane.

[Edit:] Phew, that feels better. Needed some food, low sugar levels....

MidnightMike

10th June 2006, 11:06

"For example, Maori life expectancy at birth is about 8.5 years lower than for non-Maori.".

Maybe thats because of all the smoking, drinking, lack of exercise and general lack of personal hygiene you stupid bitch. :eyepoke:

Ixion

10th June 2006, 11:11

In the interests of sintifigologgical intiggidy and wozzaname it must be pointed out that what the Lancet said was

Fourteen per cent of Maori hospital admissions were associated with a health care mistake, compared with 11 per cent of non-Maori admissions, according to a study published today in Britain's Lancet medical journal.

Eight out of 10 of all the "adverse events" occurred in hospitals, the rest in other health care settings like general practice or resthomes. About 1 per cent were considered severe (causing death or long-term disability) and preventable.

ie that maoris got admitted to hospital because of a medico stuff-up more often that non Maoris.

Now shit diet booze fags etc might make a Maori more likely to get sick and go to the doc in the first place, but they would not be more likely to cause said doc to make a ballsup.

And the Lancet said they dunno why that might be.

Just thought the point orrda be noted.

Jamezo

10th June 2006, 11:15

Quite. Though the hairs must be split; do 'adverse events' resulting from patients' non-compliance with a medical program count towards these statistics?

avgas

10th June 2006, 11:27

26 months and i still dont have my pin out.....was suppose to be out after 18.
I must be a maori

Squeak the Rat

10th June 2006, 12:05

In the interests of sintifigologgical intiggidy and wozzaname it must be pointed out that what the Lancet said was
What, read the link and the thread before shooting from the hip.... Bugger....

Well, ok. That is an interesting statistic, and it would be equally interesting to find out what the cause is. That's if there is a cause and it isn't just some standard deviation.

Immediately saying it is racist is neither healthy, rational, nor conducive to solving the problem.

Perhaps it has something to do with the socio-economic and therefore the geographical spread of the Maori population. Perhaps not.

chickenfunkstar

10th June 2006, 12:12

I wouldn't be surprised if there was no statistical difference between the two numbers. You can pretty much make an observational regression say anything you want.

paturoa

10th June 2006, 13:02

would love to know the sample size and margin of error and did I read that the data is 8 years old?

jahrasti

11th June 2006, 09:45

In the interests of sintifigologgical intiggidy and wozzaname it must be pointed out that what the Lancet said was

ie that maoris got admitted to hospital because of a medico stuff-up more often that non Maoris.

Now shit diet booze fags etc might make a Maori more likely to get sick and go to the doc in the first place, but they would not be more likely to cause said doc to make a ballsup.

And the Lancet said they dunno why that might be.

Just thought the point orrda be noted.

Thats true but people in the industry have noted that bulshit is told to them when the are checking them out. If you smoke 20 smokes aday then tell them, if you drink 4 pints a night then tell them, they aren't their mothers they need the info to diagnose the problem correctly ,not wake up with a pain in the chest in the morning and when you visit the doctor dont tell them.
Thats why some people go straight to private, yea more money but you don't have to deal with people who are fucking you around while blaming everyone else about their problems.

madboy

12th June 2006, 13:20

Now shit diet booze fags etc might make a Maori more likely to get sick and go to the doc in the first place, but they would not be more likely to cause said doc to make a ballsup.
Just thought the point orrda be noted.I note your point, but from what I know of the hospital system it is more likely that maori will be non-compliant with treatment and also providing an accurate history - in hospital or not. As stated above, the doctor's not asking about your drug/alcohol/personal habits because they've got the cops/your mama in the next room (although in some cases it is statistically possible that their mama may be in the next room). It's from ignorance. Most people are smart enough to know that doctor's don't do small talk.

BuFfY

12th June 2006, 13:29

One thing that really pisses me off is the fact that it is racism when they aren't getting favours... but when they get everything (scholarships etc) then it is just fine and dandy. That to me is racism!

At uni at the moment we are doing all this stuff about Maori and Pasifika underachievement... they are telling us to change everything in our class to make the minority feel welcome, yet if I was a lil one again and my teacher stood up infront of the class and spoke in Samoan I would be like waaaat!!
They came here for a reason... and if they dont like the way we teach then they should go back to Samoa and learn in a Samoan school

(I have a number of Pasifika and Maori people in my class so I can not really voice this opinion in class! and it drives me up the frickin wall!)

Coyote

12th June 2006, 14:01

We're all black, when the lights go out

Cajun

12th June 2006, 14:22

no i am banana man i am yellow

The_Dover

12th June 2006, 15:07

Apparently maori absorb nicotine differently to the white man too?? There was some be-dredlocked twat on the tv the other night wanking on about genetic differences meaning that maori absorb nicotine differently and are therefore more susceptible to addiction. Hmmm.

WTF??

Lou Girardin

12th June 2006, 16:22

Coyote

12th June 2006, 16:29

BTW. If banning tobacco will stop them smoking, why hasn't it stopped them doing other drugs?
Same thing with the under 18 ban

carver

12th June 2006, 16:30

privatise the health system.:second:
dont slag all maori, just the activists, and the guilty.

MidnightMike

12th June 2006, 16:35

Apparently Maoris are genetically predisposed to addiction to tobacco.
And dope.
And meth.
And stealiing other peoples things and going to jail for it.

BTW. If banning tobacco will stop them smoking, why hasn't it stopped them doing other drugs?

Most of this is caused by their peice of shit excuses for parents and role models, hence we steriotype it as being their fault, even though it partially is, the parent brought it on. In my opinion to stop all these things from happening we give the police standard issue 9mm pistols, that'll shut the fuckers up. :angry: