Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke....

[Krayy]

...rot in hell, scumbag :finger: :ar15: :shake:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-5881441,00.html

[Lias]

I can think of far nicer blokes for it to happen too.. Like Dubya.. or Tony Blair...

[oldrider]

I can think of far nicer blokes for it to happen too.. Like Dubya.. or Tony Blair...
Does that really keep things in perspective Lias? :scratch: Surely not :no:

[kickingzebra]

I can think of far nicer blokes for it to happen too.. Like Dubya.. or Tony Blair...

Hippy bashers by rights would side with the forces of good, not evil.
Therefore, It is with much regret, that I must renege on your title as "Anti Social Hippy Basher" and leave you with the title "Anti Basher"

We don't fight them and keep em occupied over there, they'll come over here and keep themselves busy. See Sarges thread about terrorism in NZ.

[Lou Girardin]

Bush and Blair build a nobody into the personification of evil, then rejoice when he's killed. Whoop-de-do.
There'll be 10 more to replace him.
Meanwhile Bin Laden is safe.

[SARGE]

We don't fight them and keep em occupied over there, they'll come over here and keep themselves busy. See Sarges thread about terrorism in NZ.


now in a new location... has been moved to PD and closed..

[SARGE]

Bush and Blair build a nobody into the personification of evil, then rejoice when he's killed. Whoop-de-do.
There'll be 10 more to replace him.
Meanwhile Bin Laden is safe.



i'd rather see Bin Laden alive and ineffective (http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2005-09/2005-09-26-voa11.cfm?CFID=18639646&CFTOKEN=63004708) than dead and a martyr..

[ManDownUnder]

i'd rather see Bin Laden alive and ineffective than dead and a martyr..

'tis a bloody good point... as strange as it is

[Big Dave]

I can think of far nicer blokes for it to happen too.. Like Dubya.. or Tony Blair...


As i said in the red rep - completely fucked comment.

[Big Dave]

i'd rather see Bin Laden alive and ineffective than dead and a martyr..


I would prefer to see his entrails smeared on the cave wall he's hiding in.

[Lias]

Your entitled to your opinion BD, as I am to mine.

I'm sorry if it offends people but the death of al-Zarqawi doesnt really bother me or cause me to celebrate, wereas I'd happily dance in the streets if someone were to drop a 500 lb bomb on Tony Blair or George Bush. I think they are quite possibly the single biggest criminals on the face of the planet today.

I could live with them going to war for oil, if only they'd been honest about it. The simple fact is they lied through their teeth to persuade their countries to goto war. The blood of thousands is on their hands and they didnt even have the balls to tell the public why they were really going to war, my contempt for them is strong.

[madboy]

Oh, so it's okay for some power crazed good ole boys with some flash big boys toys to go kill thousands of people so they can feed their corporate sponsors, but some misguided raghead kills some of them good ole boys and he deserves to die a horrible death?

[SARGE]

oh here we go..


i want to watch this develop before i toss my comments in...


it amazes me sometimes..

[Big Dave]

Your entitled to your opinion BD, as I am to mine.



yep - I've said all i'm gunna about it. moving on.

[madboy]

C'mon girls, I've made blatantly inflammatory remarks and no one wants to bite? We're in the land of hypocrisy and intolerance... surely someone has something misguided to say? At this rate we'll be back to talking about how pretty Spank's new bike is... we can't have anything bike related like that goin on!

[Macktheknife]

Oh, so it's okay for some power crazed good ole boys with some flash big boys toys to go kill thousands of people so they can feed their corporate sponsors, but some misguided raghead kills some of them good ole boys and he deserves to die a horrible death?
You seem to have understood it correctly..... well done. lol

[SARGE]

Your entitled to your opinion BD, as I am to mine.

I'm sorry if it offends people but the death of al-Zarqawi doesnt really bother me or cause me to celebrate, wereas I'd happily dance in the streets if someone were to drop a 500 lb bomb on Tony Blair or George Bush. I think they are quite possibly the single biggest criminals on the face of the planet today.

I could live with them going to war for oil, if only they'd been honest about it. The simple fact is they lied through their teeth to persuade their countries to goto war. The blood of thousands is on their hands and they didnt even have the balls to tell the public why they were really going to war, my contempt for them is strong.


Lias.. in all due respect.. do you really believe that , in the big picture, this is about a simple thing like oil?.. as i have ben saying FOREVER on here .. the roots of this go WAY deeper than a 'thing'..look at the history of the last 100 years ..Isreal has been fighting them for a thousand years over religion ( no it isnt about land). in the Philipines in like 1913 or so.. they had a similar problem with Muslim extremeists. 1980, Iran.. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_U.S._embassy_bombings) 1983, Beruit (http://terrorism.about.com/od/terroristattacksindepth/a/marinebarracks.htm), Libya, the Achille Lauro Hijacking (http://www.specialoperations.com/Images_Folder/library2/achille.html), the first WTC bombing (http://www.emporis.com/en/bu/sk/wt/up/cb/)..Somalia, the African Embassy bombings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_U.S._embassy_bombings)..


... lets just say there has been bad blood betwen the 2 sides for generations .. Bush , Blair, et al are mearly taking a turn at the wheel..

i dont like the way it was all done in places ..the justifications etc, but this was coming for a long time .. bush is a hand puppet, blair is too..


this aint about oil my friend ..

[The_Dover]

The reality is Sarge is in charge and is pulling Bush's strings from the batcave in Colemans basement.

Mt Roskill mosque is next on the receiving end of an air strike. I saw it scrawled on the back of a suzuki LT50 invoice.

[SARGE]

The reality is Sarge is in charge and is pulling Bush's strings from the batcave in Colemans basement.

Mt Roskill mosque is next on the receiving end of an air strike. I saw it scrawled on the back of a suzuki LT50 invoice.



if i was in charge, this shit woulda been over a long time ago


Coleman's basement is a car stero store you douche

[Lou Girardin]

So why did Bush/Blair (Blush?) think that the two countries that are most hated in the middle east would be welcomed as liberators?
The answer is that they don't care, God told them to liberate the holy land. And being full of oil was a fortunate co-incidence?
All the talk of Al-Qaida, foreign insurgents etc is self-serving rubbish. It's the Iraqis that are fighting to free their land from invaders. With a side serving of sectarian killing to achieve power when the Yanks and Poms are kicked out.
And they will be.

[Lou Girardin]

if i was in charge, this shit woulda been over a long time ago



Sure it would sarge.
What would you do? Nuke Iraq?
Followed by Iran, Syria, Lebanon, all the middle east?
Russia when they step in?
And do you think China will hold back when they see a seriously weakened US?
Armaggedon lies on that path.

[SARGE]

So why did Bush/Blair (Blush?) think that the two countries that are most hated in the middle east would be welcomed as liberators?
The answer is that they don't care, God told them to liberate the holy land. And being full of oil was a fortunate co-incidence?
All the talk of Al-Qaida, foreign insurgents etc is self-serving rubbish. It's the Iraqis that are fighting to free their land from invaders. With a side serving of sectarian killing to achieve power when the Yanks and Poms are kicked out.
And they will be.


because the US And GB can financially afford to do what they do..

lets look at this Lou.. how much does sending an army over to a foreign country cost? .. keeping them supplied.. the Vet bennies after a man is killed.. the lost income tax for that man.. the eventual loss of skilled people in the workforce..


all that for a few billion in oil profits .

makes perfect sense now


Sure it would sarge.
What would you do? Nuke Iraq?
Followed by Iran, Syria, Lebanon, all the middle east?
Russia when they step in?
And do you think China will hold back when they see a seriously weakened US?
Armaggedon lies on that path.

nope .. dont need nukes to get my point across.. i can do it with shit from under the kitchen sink.. its all in understandin your foe Lou


we need to get on the beers one night lou.. i really enjoy our debates.. seriously

[The_Dover]

We're going to clean the towel heads into submission!!!!

[Lou Girardin]

We're going to clean the towel heads into submission!!!!

In the words of Tonto, what do you mean we paleface?

[The_Dover]

The royal we, me and Sarge and his mate gee dubya.

[ManDownUnder]

we need to get on the beers one night lou.. i really enjoy our debates.. seriously

Oh please - let me there... hell... I'll pay for a ticket if that's what it takes.

Lou, SARGE, Me, Showgirls... :whistle:

[The_Dover]

Oh please - let me there... hell... I'll pay for a ticket if that's what it takes.

Lou, SARGE, Me, Showgirls... :whistle:

Ahem, don't you owe me a beer to Nige?:nya:

[ManDownUnder]

Ahem, don't you owe me a beer to Nige?:nya:

Sure do - no question of that. I note the similarity between my sig block and your User Title... we could have plenty to discuss of our own (While Lou and SARGE resolve the Middle East Crises... and the resultant fallout)

[slowpoke]

The reality is Sarge is in charge and is pulling Bush's strings from the batcave in Colemans basement.

Mt Roskill mosque is next on the receiving end of an air strike. I saw it scrawled on the back of a suzuki LT50 invoice.

...and with a mighty crash of thunder and a blinding flash of light the truth was revealed!!!!!

[Lou Girardin]

Showgirls?
Who the hell will want to talk about Iraq with naked chicks around?
Can we make it the White House?
Kinda appropriate really, and Sarge will be standing to attention all night with his hand on his...................................heart.

[slowpoke]

because the US And GB can financially afford to do what they do..

lets look at this Lou.. how much does sending an army over to a foreign country cost? .. keeping them supplied.. the Vet bennies after a man is killed.. the lost income tax for that man.. the eventual loss of skilled people in the workforce..




The biggest threat to the US/UK etc doesn't come from a surplus of arms in the "wrong" hands...it comes from a lack of secure energy, hence the attack on Iraq.
Don't underestimate the profits in hydrocarbons. I work offshore and we produce the equivalent of approx 100,000barrels of hydrocarbons (oil) per day. Each barrel costs us way less than $10US to produce, now do the math on what our profits are, based on the current oil price...now imagine the price of oil in ten years time....
Even more beneficial for the controlling "body" (no pun intended) is that most of Iraq's oil reserves are accessible from relatively inexpensive land based facilities.
The price of theivery (you can't seriously call it a "war") now is a pittance compared to the cost of energy limitations placed on the US/UK etc in the years to come.

[Street Gerbil]

You guys surprised me.
On every board catering to US/European population any mentioning of Bush/Blair invariably turns into condemnation of Jews i.e. Israel, "zionist occupied governments", "neocons", "fundies", and all that stuff from the "progressive"'s dictionary for all real and imaginary evils of the world.
Apparently kiwi folk flies above this typical us/european hate-a-fest. Kudos!:first:

[SlashWylde]

You guys surprised me.
On every board catering to US/European population any mentioning of Bush/Blair invariably turns into condemnation of Jews i.e. Israel, "zionist occupied governments", "neocons", "fundies", and all that stuff from the "progressive"'s dictionary for all real and imaginary evils of the world.
Apparently kiwi folk flies above this typical us/european hate-a-fest. Kudos!:first:

Well that's probably due to our relative geoglaphical isolation here in this part of the world. I think NZ'ers tend to receive and seek out more factual information about what goes on in the rest of the world and hence are better informed on historical and current events and have a more balanced view of the world.

As for anti semitism, most NZ kids don't grow up with their parents telling them lies about Jews etc so the intrenched irrational hatred felt by so many around the world towards Jews just isn't there.

Rather, the xenophobia in this country is directed towards asians and maoris/polynesians in general. In my life i've probably knowingly met maybe two or three jews. They are just ordinary people like me, so why hate them? Likewise asians. I have known many asians from different parts of the world and they are some of the nicest hardest-working people you could meet.

I won't go on but if one is going to worry about an immigrant to 'our' country, worry about the ones who arrive here pseudo-legally then sit on their asses doing nothing while collecting a sickness benefit because they eat too much, smoke too much and don't get any exercise. Not to mention the incidence of crime amongst this sub group...

[Mr. Peanut]

Well I think they're all wankers.

Organised religion is a fucking waste of time. Too much Hatred and Xenophobia.

Bush needs oil.... DUH.
And Blair needs the USA.

Conflicts of interests/beliefs <----> Dead people.




END.

[Street Gerbil]

Organised religion is a fucking waste of time. Too much Hatred and Xenophobia.
I only have a problem with "convert or die" variety.

[Meanie]

Well that's probably due to our relative geoglaphical isolation here in this part of the world. I think NZ'ers tend to receive and seek out more factual information about what goes on in the rest of the world and hence are better informed on historical and current events and have a more balanced view of the world.

As for anti semitism, most NZ kids don't grow up with their parents telling them lies about Jews etc so the intrenched irrational hatred felt by so many around the world towards Jews just isn't there.

Rather, the xenophobia in this country is directed towards asians and maoris/polynesians in general. In my life i've probably knowingly met maybe two or three jews. They are just ordinary people like me, so why hate them? Likewise asians. I have known many asians from different parts of the world and they are some of the nicest hardest-working people you could meet.

I won't go on but if one is going to worry about an immigrant to 'our' country, worry about the ones who arrive here pseudo-legally then sit on their asses doing nothing while collecting a sickness benefit because they eat too much, smoke too much and don't get any exercise. Not to mention the incidence of crime amongst this sub group...
Well put
We are bloody lucky to be living down under away from all that crap lets hope its far enough

[slowpoke]

... I think NZ'ers tend to receive and seek out more factual information about what goes on in the rest of the world and hence are better informed on historical and current events and have a more balanced view of the world.



Hmmmm, don't think I agree with this. If anything I think our isolation leads to only a vague knowledge of what is going on in the world: if it ain't on telly or the front page it ain't happening. Coupled with the media who would rather generate a sensational headline than dig for the truth, facts are few and far between.
Ask yourself this: Why do the TV "news" shows ask for our opinion on the stories they have covered? So they can tailor their coverage to the way we want to hear it rather than just telling it like it is.

[Indiana_Jones]

I can think of far nicer blokes for it to happen too.. Like Dubya.. or Tony Blair...

Who's side are you on?

-Indy

[SlashWylde]

Hmmmm, don't think I agree with this. If anything I think our isolation leads to only a vague knowledge of what is going on in the world: if it ain't on telly or the front page it ain't happening. Coupled with the media who would rather generate a sensational headline than dig for the truth, facts are few and far between.
Ask yourself this: Why do the TV "news" shows ask for our opinion on the stories they have covered? So they can tailor their coverage to the way we want to hear it rather than just telling it like it is.

Well actually I completely agree with this and was thinking the same thing as I was typing my bit. But I still think that despite this, we are still better informed and more incined to seek out the truth than many others around the world. Also there are essentially no barriers to obtaining un-biased news reporting and historical information. As opposed to some eastern countries like China, North Korea etc.

I think NZ'ers adventurous spirit leads them to journey throughout this great land of ours and to venture overseas to discover other countries and peoples for themselves and to form their own opinions rather than just swallowing the slanted info fed them by the media/govt/peers.

Then again maybe I'm just expressing the veiws my peers and I hold about the world and openmindedness etc. Perhaps most of the country is like you say.

I don't know, but as Cat Stevens once put it, "I'm on the road to find out". :yes:

[Mr. Peanut]

Who's side are you on?

-Indy

Whose side are you on? I wouldn't stand too close to those chaps myself... :shutup:

[The_Dover]

YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH.

Sarge is a very bad man.