Bike thieves caught in the act...

[R6_kid]

(long) story from R6-forums:

Wow guys it was an unreal night. So I go over to my buddies house to watch game 2 of the heat vs. mavricks last night and I drove over there because it was too chilly to ride.

So game is over and a bunch of us are just sitting around when out of the front window we see a shady looking van roll by really slow with its headlights off. I knew drive by's didn't happen in this neighboorhood so I ask everyone where there bikes are. My buddy just got a 2006 LE R1 and it was parked in the garage. We all go out back to throw some hot dogs on the grill and I go inside to go grab some pop out of the garage.

I open the door to the garage and there are 3 guys in the garage with the van pulled backed up to the garage. One guy is sitting on the bike with the keys in hand (my buddy leaves the keys on a key holder in the garage. And the other 2 are standing in front of the garage watching out. So I yell "Guys call the cops!"

I look at the guy on the bike, "Get the *uck outta here man 5-0 is on the way." Now i've got some muscle to me, 6'1" 190lbs and I've been fighting MMA for like a year but I dont feel like getting into a brawl with 3 criminals who more then likley have a gun or knife on them. The guy on the bike jumps off and starts to walk twords me. I went into survival mode. I don't even think and jack the guy in the face and knock him on his ass. His buddies come after me and one sticks me in the face really good.

My buddy comes out who's pretty big too after hearing all of this from inside and beats the shit outta the guy who sticks me. The other cat who was first on the bike gets back up and comes after me again. Now for those of you who dont know I had my bike stolen last summer so its a sensitve subject for me. Now that its pretty much 2 on 2 ( the other thief is knocked out) I decide I'm gonna make these *ssholes pay for everyone who has ever had their bike jacked. I stick the one dude bad in the face and grab him by the arm and wrap it up against my body. I take him down to the ground and roll over. Now i've got this dick in an all out armbar.

For those of you who dont know its an MMA subbmission hold that basically damn near breaks your arm. Yeah, it hurts. This dude is SCREAMING IN PAIN. All I could think about was the pain I felt having my *hit stolen so I pull harder. He's taping my arm and i'm almost laughing that this guy is trying to tap out haha. Finally I pull until his body can't take it anymore and I hear a snap. Broke that scum bags arm. It looked bad too I almost kinda felt bad for a splitsecond.

Just as the other 2 are getting ready to leave the cops come flying in the driveway. They arrest all 3 and make me and my boy get looked at by medics (I had a nasty black eye and a few cuts). The cops are taking the report down and the one asks me, "hey just curious, how did that guys arm get broken?" "ummmmm, he might have fallen I think in the struggle." "Oh, yea I guess his picked the wrong garage to fall in huh?" He was laughing about it. Well luckily the arrested the guys for criminal tresspassing, breaking and entering, and attempted grand theft auto. 2 of them had warrents for snatchin bikes in the city and I would guess will be gettin locked up.

There's gonna be a court date for all 3 that we are going to have to testify in. The worst part about this was my buddies bike was on a pitbull stand and somehow the bike came loose and got knocked over during all of this. Fell down and just has some comestic damage, broken mirror and a few scratches.

Luckily none of us got hurt. Cops said basically all my crap was self defense since they were in my buddies place but I'm just thankful none of us got hurt. Somehow someway they had some sort of electrical device that tripped his garage door opener and opend the door. He called a local security company and is going to have a survelience system installed next week.

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wouldnt want to mess with that guys bike.

[Fishy]

Good on him!, I would have done the same except I probably would have taken him out the back to our slaughter house and chopped him up then thrown the bits to our pigs or put them in the offel pit. Noone would ever know

Filthy theiving scumbags should be dealt to!!!.

[Colapop]

THis was where? The States I assume? I'm sure it would have made the headliners had it been here.

[Finn]

Similar thing happened to me when I was 4 1/2. Some Yugo's moved into our street and tried to steal my 3 wheeler. I told them they better not or I'd tell my father and he'd beat them up (He actually lived overseas then). They didn't understand english and took it anyway. I cried and ran home.

[ManDownUnder]

The guy's a vindictive idiot and get's no respect from me. He had him surrendered but then went on deliberately broke the arm of someone stealing a bike?

He's as low as the thieving scumbag and deserves locking up too.

[onearmedbandit]

Brilliant. I'm sure everyone here (maybe except Sutage) would've done the same if they could.

[onearmedbandit]

The guy's a vindictive idiot and get's no respect from me. He had him surrendered but then went on deliberately broke the arm of someone stealing a bike?

He's as low as the thieving scumbag and deserves locking up too.

Yeah, poor whiddle bikey theif got hurty by big bad man. I see your point. Not. Deserves everything they got, and more so.

[The_Dover]

Fuck it, it was a Yamaha.

He could have just got the insurance money and bought a gixxer.

[ManDownUnder]

Yeah, poor whiddle bikey theif got hurty by big bad man. I see your point. Not. Deserves everything they got, and more so.

You mean a lynch mob? Nope - I stand by what I said, popular or not

[onearmedbandit]

Insurance company would've recognised it as a scam. I mean, who would steal a Yammie Dover??

[Finn]

Fuck it, it was a Yamaha.

He could have just got the insurance money and bought a gixxer.

Thieves don't steal Gixxers. Too common, no resale.

[Str8 Jacket]

The guy's a vindictive idiot and get's no respect from me. He had him surrendered but then went on deliberately broke the arm of someone stealing a bike?

He's as low as the thieving scumbag and deserves locking up too.

Get what your say MDU, but I dont know how id react if it was me. There would have been alot of adrenaline going through everyone... I know when Im angry ive reacted in a way that I wouldnt have had I had a chance to breathe. To be honest I may have reacted the same if it was physically possible for me too...

[The_Dover]

Insurance company would've recognised it as a scam. I mean, who would steal a Yammie Dover??

Fair point.


Thieves don't steal Gixxers. Too common, no resale.

Yeah, but just think about the market for parts.:innocent:

[onearmedbandit]

You got family in the states that ride gixxers Dover?

[sugilite]

Thieves don't steal Gixxers. Too common, no resale.

Hell, did ya hear about the guy that made the mistake of stealing a fireblade, he fell asleep on it before he made it out of the street!
The cops could not believe their luck, they were reported as saying "any other brand bike and he would have got clean away"
The owner was furious and vowed he would find a much better thief to do the insurance job next time and then had to cancel his order for the other brand liter bike. Bloody sad, but some people never learn.:nya:

[The_Dover]

You got family in the states that ride gixxers Dover?

Hell no, I was just thinking of the bargains on ebay!

[R6_kid]

bike theft seems quite common in the states, there are atleast 5 people on the forum that have had their bikes stolen in the last few months, yeh i guess they have like half a million + people so its not that much as a percentage but still, would you just let 3 guys walk off after trying to steal your bike but getting caught in the act.

The fact that they were dumb enough to do it whilst people were home seems a bit odd to me.

[Colapop]

...To be honest I may have reacted the same if it was physically possible for me too...
...instead of kicking the f*ck outa his ankles!!!

I know where shit is in my shed, like iron bars. I don't know of many f*ckers that have the stupidity to argue with iron. In saying that if I hit someone with one and killed them....
Although it seems to me that in the States the guy got off lucky - they do have a penchant for guns don't they?

[Lou Girardin]

It did sound a bit pre-pubescent to me. But what do I know, I'm a lover not a fighter.

[The_Dover]

I'm a lover not a fighter.

Yeah, so Finn tells me.

[Karma]

Way I see... as soon as those scumbags opened the garage door it was open season on their ass.

My view is that criminals give up all rights as soon as they commence the crime... can't take the heat, don't burgle the kitchen...

[Mrs Busa Pete]

it wouldn't be here because the cops got there the same week. all ours are out giving tickets they would of sent a taxi instead

[The_Dover]

'Specially not Weasel's kitchen.

[onearmedbandit]

Way I see... as soon as those scumbags opened the garage door it was open season on their ass.

My view is that criminals give up all rights as soon as they commence the crime... can't take the heat, don't burgle the kitchen...

Bling awarded Sir. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Wasp]

I agree too, i'd have done the same thing had i been trained in doing it and wasn't the thin bodied person I am.

One of my mates does MMA (mainly Ninjitsu and some form of kickboxing - i forget) and hes a really nice kind harted kinda guy - till you mess with him then its all on :ar15:

[Scouse]

Ya did the right thing Gareth cos these scumbugs will prolly get off with a slap on the back of the hand with a wet bus ticket from the courts these aresholes should have been charged under the new home invasion law. MDU toughen up

[The_Dover]

It wasn't Gareth for fucks sake.

He can barely break wind let alone some poor fella's arm.

[Karma]

'Specially not Weasel's kitchen.

Mate, the amount of pies I've got in there you'd need an 18 wheeler truck to shift them (or you could just invite Gremlin round), and I'm fairly sure I'd hear that coming.

[beyond]

Arseholes had it coming.

If we did anything like that here, the crims would get victim support and an emergency payout to buy some P so they can settle their nerves and we would be locked up for using excessive force. :(

Go figure.

[WINJA]

The guy's a vindictive idiot and get's no respect from me. He had him surrendered but then went on deliberately broke the arm of someone stealing a bike?

He's as low as the thieving scumbag and deserves locking up too.
REALLY , IF I COULD GET AWAY WITH IT ID LIKE TO KILL THEM, I DONT MEAN HURT I ACTUALLY MEAN KILL , FUCKEM SPIN THE WHEEL TAKE YOUR CHANCES

[Sniper]

Fuck now thats good on them. Unfortunatly in NZ you would have ended up getting sued for asking him nicely not to steal your bike

[Bonez]

Arseholes had it coming.Absolutely agree.

[justsomeguy]

The guy's a vindictive idiot and get's no respect from me. He had him surrendered but then went on deliberately broke the arm of someone stealing a bike?

He's as low as the thieving scumbag and deserves locking up too.

MDU - you have a heart of gold. But I think he was justified in breaking the guys arm, 5 months in a cast is a good lesson.

However, he was wrong in enjoying it so much.

Submission moves have a very small window of movement after they have been applied as the person in the lock is expected to give up immediately. A tiny bit of adrenaline or red mist a few millimeters more movement and a tendon can snap or a bone dislocate. Perhaps it happened in the heat of the moment, but the chap wanted to portray himself as some kind of action hero.

[justsomeguy]

I agree too, i'd have done the same thing had i been trained in doing it and wasn't the thin bodied person I am.

One of my mates does MMA (mainly Ninjitsu and some form of kickboxing - i forget) and hes a really nice kind harted kinda guy - till you mess with him then its all on :ar15:

Could you please tell me where your mate trains? Ninjutsu and Muay Thai if that's what it is, are a weird but very efficient combination.

[Wasp]

he trains at a dojo here in the hutt. 3 nights a week ninjitsu and 2 nights kickboxing. (not to mention the public demos he does on occasion)

just looked up the website http://www.kokuryunz.co.nz/ (see if you can spot him in the photos:bleh:); its Kokoryu Kickboxing that he does.

and incase any of you are thinking hes a bit of a loose nut, he avoids practically all opportunities to hurt someone.

He's been training for longer as ive known him (4 years), as has his sister. (ive been "hurt" a few times while messing with him (in and outside of training) but fortunately never by his sister.

[Gremlin]

Mate, the amount of pies I've got in there you'd need an 18 wheeler truck to shift them (or you could just invite Gremlin round), and I'm fairly sure I'd hear that coming.
You'd hear the truck or me?? Or both?? :shifty: And what makes you think you still have the said pies? :blah:

I have no problem with what that guy did. Hell, all 3 tried to take him on, instead of trying to get away. I'm just surprised dreams come true. The guy reported a theft, cops arrived immediately, and he even got to take out a bit of his anger.

[justsomeguy]

he trains at a dojo here in the hutt. 3 nights a week ninjitsu and 2 nights kickboxing. (not to mention the public demos he does on occasion)

just looked up the website http://www.kokuryunz.co.nz/ (see if you can spot him in the photos:bleh:); its Kokoryu Kickboxing that he does.

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Thanks for the link.

The kickboxing is the classic Muay Thai variety. I think Koku Ryu is the name of his dojo. "Ryu" is school or training centre in Japanese. I couldn't find a lot of info on Koku Style Ninjutsu on the web so assumed it's what his school was called.

I completely agree that he must be a very balanced individual as you get taught both physical and mental skills when you advance through the grades.

That's an impressive place. Wish there was one close to where I live.

[R6_kid]

I agree with sub-dueing (sp) the fucks for trying to steal your shit, but yeah going and breaking someones arm just because you can is a bit stupid in my books.

However if you mess with my bike and we aint on friendly terms i get fucked off pretty quick. I was on friendly terms with dover till he pissed in my exhaust, so i fired the bike up and burnt his cock.

[justsomeguy]

I was on friendly terms with dover till he pissed in my exhaust, so i fired the bike up and burnt his cock.

WHat??:gob:

[onearmedbandit]

Gakko is Japanese for school. Ryu means Dragon. Nit-picking.

[Colapop]

So being a smart arse caused the single arm syndrome???? :nya:

[onearmedbandit]

Some would argue that.

[justsomeguy]

Gakko is Japanese for school. Ryu means Dragon. Nit-picking.

Ryu as someone's name means dragon.

In the martial art context it means school or place of training.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryu_(school)

PS: I was once a dumb, unteachable student of one of those Ryu's, I forget which.

[Clivoris]

I can certainly understand the desire to hurt a scumbag that would try to heist your property. :angry: BUT, in a previous life I had a friend, a very hard friend who ended up with the contents of his abdominal cavity lying in his driveway when the scumbag he was beating on was "rescued" by the scumbag cavalry. He survived with half a liver and shorter intestines thanks to excellent surgeons. Since hearing this story I have had the pleasure to confront thieves on two occasions, both times choosing to negotiate a property return in exchange for an unblocked escape path. Get good descriptions and let the police sort the fuckers out, unless you're willing to risk it all for the taste of vengence and a heap of metal and plastic. :yes:

[chickenfunkstar]

Most people would have have to work around 1000 hours to earn the money to buy a new sprots bike.

I don't think a few seconds of pain and a bit of a sore arm for afterwards is anywhere enough to make up for that.
Theif got what he deserved in my book.

[justsomeguy]

I can certainly understand the desire to hurt a scumbag that would try to heist your property. :angry: BUT, in a previous life I had a friend, a very hard friend who ended up with the contents of his abdominal cavity lying in his driveway when the scumbag he was beating on was "rescued" by the scumbag cavalry. He survived with half a liver and shorter intestines thanks to excellent surgeons. Since hearing this story I have had the pleasure to confront thieves on two occasions, both times choosing to negotiate a property return in exchange for an unblocked escape path. Get good descriptions and let the police sort the fuckers out, unless you're willing to risk it all for the taste of vengence and a heap of metal and plastic. :yes:

I doubt if there are any material possesions worth risking serious injury over. That's what house and contents and motor vehicle insurance are for.

However if one of these wretches threatens a person then anything goes - provided a safe retreat is not possible.

[Qkchk]

3 words:

Sweet farken justice! :rockon:

(Dont blame them wanting to steal a LE R1........):blip:

[avgas]

I love a good romance novel with a happy ending. Pity there were 5 good arms on those crooks at the end though.

[onearmedbandit]

Ryu as someone's name means dragon.

In the martial art context it means school or place of training.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryu_(school)

PS: I was once a dumb, unteachable student of one of those Ryu's, I forget which.


Fairy muff, but you originally said Ryu means School in Japanese. It doesn't.

[justsomeguy]

Fairy muff, but you originally said Ryu means School in Japanese. It doesn't.

Mmmm fairy muff:blah: .......... heh, yes I stand corrected.

[Clivoris]

I doubt if there are any material possesions worth risking serious injury over. That's what house and contents and motor vehicle insurance are for.

However if one of these wretches threatens a person then anything goes - provided a safe retreat is not possible.
Without doubt, I have to agree. Growing up on a diet of Bruce Lee and Clint Eastwood always makes it tempting to have a go at the righteous violence buzz though.

[Scouse]

It wasn't Gareth for fucks sake.

He can barely break wind let alone some poor fella's arm.Ooops I missed that bit about it being from the Yamaha forums

[*sic]

porno.

thats a nice effort.

its a strange feeling when you snap a lim,b, its all tense then the sound.. never sounds nice but im sure he would have reveled in it.

top marks.

A+ for effort.

[ManDownUnder]

MDU - you have a heart of gold. But I think he was justified in breaking the guys arm, 5 months in a cast is a good lesson.

However, he was wrong in enjoying it so much.


He was wrong for enjoying it at all.

Faior enough subbdue him, hell get a rope and tie his hands together around a tree while waiting for the cops - no problems with that (illegal though it would be in NZ...)

But to have someone that had given up, then carry on to break his arm just because it made him look and feel good? The dude needs his head read.

If the guy wasn't submitting - keep escalating it to you win... and if that involves a broken arm then ok. If the dude is threatening someone else and best/simplest/safest course of action results in the guy getting a broken arm... ok...

... but to do it coz you want to... after smiling about the fact you are about to? That's premeditation and vindictive revenge for revenge's sake... and as I say - lock him up.

[ManDownUnder]

However if you mess with my bike and we aint on friendly terms i get fucked off pretty quick. I was on friendly terms with dover till he pissed in my exhaust, so i fired the bike up and burnt his cock.

Dover was fucking with your bike huh?

I guess the rules'd be like golf then - yelling "FORE" just before you did the deed... only this time you'd yell "SKIN" as well?

Please tell me Jerry Lee Lewis was playing in the background
"You shake my nerves and you rattle my brain..."

[Deano]

He had him surrendered but then went on deliberately broke the arm of someone stealing a bike?


They were caught red handed but then went on to deliberately assault the owner ?


The guy's a vindictive idiot and get's no respect from me.
He's as low as the thieving scumbag and deserves locking up too.

And the thief wouldn't have broken the bike owners arm given the chance ?

[Lou Girardin]

Yeah, so Finn tells me.

He's SUCH a kiss and tell type.

[ManDownUnder]

They were caught red handed but then went on to deliberately assault the owner?

... errrrrrr. no.... the guy was subdued, in an armlock of sorts. It was over - done, finito. Before this idiot broke the other guy's arm, the would be thief was (and I quote)

"SCREAMING IN PAIN. All I could think about was the pain I felt having my *hit stolen so I pull harder. He's taping my arm and i'm almost laughing that this guy is trying to tap out haha. "

So your point is?


And the thief wouldn't have broken the bike owners arm given the chance ?

The great unknown, but lets say yes he would have, just for argument's sake... wouldn't that prove my point? He's as low as the thieving scum...

If the bad guy would not have broken his arm... that arguably makes him worse...

[Pixie]

The guy's a vindictive idiot and get's no respect from me. He had him surrendered but then went on deliberately broke the arm of someone stealing a bike?

He's as low as the thieving scumbag and deserves locking up too.
Come on
He left 3 limbs intact,it's more than I would do.
Render the bastards vegetative

[Deano]

So your point is?


The thief was in the wrong, THEN proceeded to try to assualt the owner when confronted, yet you believe the VICTIM went too far...

The thief bit off more than he could chew and paid the price. Consequences.

Thats' my point.

(As an aside - did you feel the guy on tv being pepper sprayed while in cuffs was deserved, or did the cops go too far ?)



The great unknown, but lets say yes he would have, just for argument's sake... wouldn't that prove my point? He's as low as the thieving scum...


The thief instigated the whole thing by trying to steal the bike.

It's called rough justice and the Police do it.

Didn't they condone it in this case...

[ManDownUnder]

The thief was in the wrong, THEN proceeded to try to assualt the owner when confronted, yet you believe the VICTIM went too far...

The thief bit off more than he could chew and paid the price. Consequences.

Thats' my point.
So might is right?

Nice point - he was lucky another one of the bad guys didn't have a gun - would that still be rough justice?

Nup - the guy broke the other guys arm unnecissarily, for personal gain (pleasure)... he's scum.

Put the shoe on the other fot. What if the bad guy got the bike owner in that hold, had him pinned while the other guys tooks the bike, then as a parting gift broke his arm? Would might still be right - or would it be even more wrong?


(As an aside - did you feel the guy on tv being pepper sprayed while in cuffs was deserved, or did the cops go too far ?)

I saw it on the shorts, it appeared to be sensationalist viewing and I missed it (seriously). I don't have all the facts so how can I form a reasoned opinion?



The thief instigated the whole thing by trying to steal the bike.
No - he instigated a reaction - a defense where some guy wanted to stop the low lifes from nicking his property. He'd done that - had the guy powerless, and all he had to do was wait for them police.

Did he? No... he smiled, laughed because he knew he was about to really hurt this guy - then proceeded to do it.

The dude's a cock smoker. no question


It's called rough justice and the Police do it.

Didn't they condone it in this case...

The Police did condone it - yes. Does that make it right?

[Karma]

the guy broke the other guys arm unnecissarily, for personal gain (pleasure)... he's scum.

Put the shoe on the other fot. What if the bad guy got the bike owner in that hold, had him pinned while the other guys tooks the bike, then as a parting gift broke his arm? Would might still be right - or would it be even more wrong?

Surely this is a key point?

Do you believe the theif would have had any thought of stopping? I doubt it.

A wise man once said, good will never triumph over evil, because good plays by rules that evil doesn't recognise.

Perhaps, just perhaps, these guys will think twice before pulling a stunt again, and if so, then this violence has served a greater good.

[ManDownUnder]

Perhaps, just perhaps, these guys will think twice before pulling a stunt again, and if so, then this violence has served a greater good.

Tis a good point, but getting done by the Police and Courts shoudl have the same effect (note - I said SHOULD... not WILL... necessarily)

[onearmedbandit]

Perhaps, just perhaps, these guys will think twice before pulling a stunt again, and if so, then this violence has served a greater good.

Excellent point.

[Deano]

Put the shoe on the other fot. What if the bad guy got the bike owner in that hold, had him pinned while the other guys tooks the bike, then as a parting gift broke his arm? Would might still be right - or would it be even more wrong?


What if he hadn't broken his arm, and the guy got out of the armbar and then beat the victim to death ?

Always plenty of what ifs.



I saw it on the shorts, it appeared to be sensationalist viewing and I missed it (seriously). I don't have all the facts so how can I form a reasoned opinion?


How often does anyone in here have ALL the facts ? Doesn't stop a good debate on what information is available though.




The Police did condone it - yes. Does that make it right?

According to a lot of people it seems that it does.


No - he instigated a reaction - a defense where some guy wanted to stop the low lifes from nicking his property. He'd done that - had the guy powerless, and all he had to do was wait for them police.

Did he? No... he smiled, laughed because he knew he was about to really hurt this guy - then proceeded to do it.




Is this any different to saying the thieves were caught red handed - all they had to do was admit defeat and wait for the Police to arrive, but no, even though they knew assaulting the owner was going to hurt (as if stealing his bike wasn't going to rip his undies enough), they proceeded to do it (attempt it anyway).

Yes, perhaps he has stooped to their level but they were the instigators in the whole matter and so I reckon deserve what they got.

[Jonathan]

Perhaps, just perhaps, these guys will think twice before pulling a stunt again, and if so, then this violence has served a greater good.
On the other hand, maybe next time they will make sure they are better armed!

[Deano]

Perhaps, just perhaps, these guys will think twice before pulling a stunt again, and if so, then this violence has served a greater good.

Hopefully the thieves don't return with a molitov as paybacks.

[insane1]

anyone who tries to steal bikes should be shot or at least have his legs busted.

[Biff]

LMAO - brilliant. Would have loved to have seen that happen.

A story from the Biffarchives....

Many a moon ago (15 years maybe), late at night, I'm walking from one place to another and I turn a corner to see a guy rummaging through the glove box of a parked up car. I would have thought nothing of it had he not frozen on the spot, then bolted, with what was obviously a car stereo just about visible under his jacket. I hesitate, notice that the quarter light on the car has been smashed and a gapping hole in the car's dashboard - so I begin chasing after this dude. There was a time when I could run the 100 metres in under 11 seconds (10.89), so it wasn't too long before I caught up with this guy. I ankle tapped the oxygen waster and he went flying along the pavement – horizontally, and the car stereo fell out of his jacket.

I picked up the stereo and asked him where he got it from (the questions you ask when in a mucking fuddle), to which he said some rather rude words, and I took offence. So I swung my leg at this guy, who was by know sitting up looking at me. I didn't connect below the shoulders. He fell into a heap, motionless.

I jog off in a semi-panic, find a pay pone and call the 5-0, telling them everything except my name.

I watched the newspapers for days afterwards, wondering if the guy was ok. Nothing heard.

Thieves are scum. End of story.

I probably wouldn’t chase him today though. I’ve got an air of ‘I really can’t be arsed’ about me these days. I blame the government. Or car drivers. Or cops.



Edit: To those guys that think the good guy used excessive force - in the eyes of the law, probably. In a society where a 'common-sense' legal system was in force, nope. IMO If you're thieving scum you should be under no illusion that if you're caught, there is a chance you're going to get your arse kicked. Because you decided to become...Scum.

I tend to have no sympathy whatsoever for real criminals (primarily thieves, murderers, kiddie fiddlers and rapists). They're scum. IMO they forfeit any right to receive compassion and fair treatment from a society from which they choose to prey on.

Have I said 'Scum' enough?

[timorang]

Occassionally, just occassionally, scum get what they deserve.......

This fine upstanding member of the infamous 18th Street LA gang
decided one day that he would try to car-jack a semi truck at gun
point .... The gangster jumped up on the driver side, while the truck
was in motion, and stuck a gun in the drivers face.

The only problem was that the truck driver opened up the door and
knocked the attempted Thief off. He lost his balance and fell under
the wheels of the truck. At which time the driver slammed on his
brakes, resting on top of him and decided that this was the perfect
time to whip out his Fuji Disposable camera....

There was a third picture after the truck was moved off him - not nice.

[Toast]

Nup - the guy broke the other guys arm unnecissarily, for personal gain (pleasure)... he's scum.


I actually doubt that's even the case...he wrote the story as if he was in control the whole time, but I reckon he'd have been shitting himself. Just a threatened animal whose self preservation instincts have taken over.

He's American, ofcourse he tries to add a dose of emotion in there to make it sound better...it works at the box office.

I doubt reason came in to it. It would've been more survival reactions.

I don't believe in might being right...I don't believe in harm to natural things if it can be avoided...but really, the prick tried to steal something, then started a fight, and he got burned...there are greater injustices in the world to worry about.

[Toast]

There was a third picture after the truck was moved off him - not nice.

Saw it before you edited it...

Not nice at all :sick:

[Biff]

Occassionally, just occassionally, scum get what they deserve.......


Shit!!

And he's got a nose bleed.

[The_Dover]

They shouldn't have bothered with the cops, just caught the guys and hogtied them.

And then rented their thieving arses out to a bunch of AIDS ridden deviant homosexuals, from Texas maybe.

A long slow sentence to think about the error of their ways. Imagine even wanting to steal a Yamaha, it's fucking embarassing.

[zeRax]

i read the first page of this thread and as soon as i saw your post i had to just reply straight away...

shut up mandownunder imo

[Karma]

On the other hand, maybe next time they will make sure they are better armed!

Well escalation is always a possibility, but if you never stood up against scumbags for fear of the repurcussions then they'd walk all over you for life.

It's just a progression of schoolyard bullying... except instead of taking your lunch money, they're taking your bike.

You gotta show the bully you ain't afraid of them before they'll leave you alone.

[vtec]

Oh man, reading this made me feel so good. I've been screwed proper by thieves, and have had P'd up dickheads threatening to kill me and my friends wielding broken bottles (my mate Magnum gave them their beans).

So when I read this, I just felt good all over. I personally don't know if I could intentionally break somebody's arm. But it seems like it was the best way to incapacitate the guy. Just remember there were three of the bastards, so if the one that go KO'd came round, they might get killed. Incapacitation was the best option.

Also, ManDownUnder, whenever I read your posts in this thread, I couldn't help but think you are writing from the perspective of a man who is partial to vehicle theft? It's just a general impression that I get. It's either that, or you're an extreme softy hippy.

[Karma]

Also, ManDownUnder, whenever I read your posts in this thread, I couldn't help but think you are writing from the perspective of a man who is partial to vehicle theft? It's just a general impression that I get. It's either that, or you're an extreme softy hippy.

Not at all man.

I've got respect for what MDU posts, he's a good bloke.

Our opinions differ on this matter, but that's life for ya eh...

[Macktheknife]

He was wrong for enjoying it at all.

... but to do it coz you want to... after smiling about the fact you are about to? That's premeditation and vindictive revenge for revenge's sake... and as I say - lock him up.
MDU, I normally agree with a lot of what you have to say and while I agree in principle with where you are coming from, I cant say that I would have done any different in the situation. No premeditation; Maybe not smiling about it while doing it, but would I have afterwards smiled and felt good about dealing to him.... absolutely. I have to agree with Deano, they got what they deserved. As for the courts, well we all know what SHOULD happen, and we also know what does happen.
They decided to break the rules, they must accept the consequences of that decision, whatever they are.

[zeRax]

dont get me wrong thou, im pretty certain he's a top bloke and good guy, just these posts give me a preacher type chill up my spine

:D

[vtec]

Not at all man.

I've got respect for what MDU posts, he's a good bloke.

Our opinions differ on this matter, but that's life for ya eh...

Cool, thanks for reassuring me, it's hard to get a proper impression of someone over the net. It's just that I HATE with a burning fury vehicle thiefs, and he was starting to sound like a major sympathiser. Although by the sounds of things, he's just a softy.

[justsomeguy]

Although by the sounds of things, he's just a ....

He's one of the few people on this forum worth knowing, you will see what I mean if and when you meet him.

[ManDownUnder]

Cool, thanks for reassuring me, it's hard to get a proper impression of someone over the net. It's just that I HATE with a burning fury vehicle thiefs, and he was starting to sound like a major sympathiser. Although by the sounds of things, he's just a softy.

LMAO... na mate - don't get me wrong... I hate 'em too. (No, really.. I do... lock the little fuckers up, reduce funding to the prison system make it really uncomfortable for them).

I've been the victim a few times and would happily tie the bastards hands round a tree and scare the shit out of them with a Rotty on a chain threatening to eat the testicles if the decided to run...

The key difference here is where I would draw the line.

I wouldn't break the guys arm. That's over the line for me - considering he was surrendered already. That's society breaking down, might is right etc... a basic principle that has been the basis of a lot of carnage over the years

[Dafe]

I would imagine the dude with the broken arm is gonna have some serious issues with this guy.
He's also gonna have plenty of jail time to stew over what had happened that evening.
Because the guy crossed the line and took the attack from being fairly restrained to being very personal.
I wouldn't be suprised if in the future, the guy finds himself unexpectedly on the receiving end of a majorly disconfiguring, anonymous metal pipe bashing.
If I was a criminal and some guy chose to delibrately break my arm when I was in submission, %100 certain I'd be back for my revenge. What would I have to lose, I'd have all the personal satisfaction in the world to gain.

Unfortunately for this guy, in this situation - It appears that the guys martial arts training was uncontrolled and if I was him, I'd be waiting and expecting some very violent retaliation. Looks like the heat of the moment got the better of the guy.

Was breaking the guys arm worth it? It will take a number of years before this question can truely be answered. Hopefully those years are kind to the guy.