Fencing Overbridges

[SlashWylde]

Seems some halfwit morons have been at it again:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10386308

with reference to this statement:

"Mr Flanagan said it was "not practical" to fence every motorway and highway overbridge. The network is such a big network - what do you fence and what don't you fence?"

I would have thought the answer was obvious. Fence the bridges in areas such as Papakura and Otara (read, lower socio-economic) which have shown they have a high ratio of stupid little kids (and even stupider adults) who consider graffitti, vandalisim and throwing crap off overbridges to be suitable passtimes.

I have made it a habit to scan the railings of these bridges as I approach them, whether on the bike or in the car, but it's a sad state of affairs when it has come to this.

[Gremlin]

Jeeez, what are thinking boy?? When was a human life, or the traffic impact on the motorway worth more than a fence on a bridge??

Of course, if we actually had effective punishment, an "incentive" not to do dumb shit, and parents actually doing their job, we wouldn't have a problem in the first place, would we?

[Waylander]

I remember one of the more recent time I was up in Auckland, Saw a couple of kids standing around on the top of the overpass. Thought they were just watching cars go under till I saw one of them lob something down at the car in front of me. Fuck that pissed me off. Was a passenger in a car at the time else I would have chased them down. This was just out of the CBD I think.

[imdying]

Punishment should fit the crime... drive some APCs under the bridge, throw them off...

[Flatcap]

If these little shits are determined enough a fence unfortunately is not going to stop them - they will just lob their missiles over the top.

And of course we will not be able to give them a good hiding if we do manage to catch them in the act. This is why Tazers were invented - to allow infliction of agony without permanent damage...

[Waylander]

And of course we will not be able to give them a good hiding if we do manage to catch them in the act. This is why Tazers were invented - to allow infliction of agony without permanent damage...
Just leave your helmet on. Then all they will be able to say is it was some biker. As if they would ever go to the police.

[Magua]

It's taken this long and they are still debating wether it's necacery or not? Bloody hell.

[diggydog]

If these little shits are determined enough a fence unfortunately is not going to stop them - they will just lob their missiles over the top.

And of course we will not be able to give them a good hiding if we do manage to catch them in the act. This is why Tazers were invented - to allow infliction of agony without permanent damage...
That would be true, but i've seen wear they put A wire fence right around in a arch, they have done this in case someone maybe suicidal.:yes:
As i said today, to my work mates, that could of been your wife and kids.
Shoot the fuckers they are getting younger and can'nt find any thing desent to do.:nono:

[Swoop]

The bridges are fine.
The objects that get thrown off bridges have a higher IQ than the thrower....
Put the fences around them instead.

[placidfemme]

This throwing things off over bridges and the like has been going on for ages... Sam and I went to a Ride Right Ride Safe course last year sometime, and on the way home kids were sitting on a hill beside the road throwing shit at traffic... i didn't notice them until a largish brown object just missed Sam's bike, followed by another two just missing me...

They don't need a bridge to throw crap off of... Fencing the bridges IMO is a waste of tax payers money, rather put cameras on overpasses that have been targeted in the past and ones they think will be targeted in the future, catch the little bastards on tape, then hunt them down and punish them (although punishment in NZ equates to a cookie and milk)

Bring back corporal punishment and tougher sentencing... and lower the criminal age to 14 or lower, if they are old enough to risk killing people they are old enough to share prison cells with murderers and child abusers...

[SlashWylde]

Right then. The answers simple. If these little shits think it's OK to throw wood and bricks at motorists, I see no problem with motorists throwing lumps of lead back at them.

Little ones mind you. I hear 9mm lumps at a velocity of 1000fps are particularly effective in getting the point accross.

[Jantar]

As someone has already been killed by objects thrown off these bridges, and it has been widely publicized, then I believe that this should be treated as attempted murder. The police should therefore treat these criminals as murderers and hunt them down using full resources.


Right then. The answers simple. If these little shits think it's OK to throw wood and bricks at motorists, I see no problem with motorists throwing lumps of lead back at them.

Little ones mind you. I hear 9mm lumps at a velocity of 1000fps are particularly effective in getting the point accross.

Because there are people out there attempting to muder us then we should be allowed to defend ourselves. SlashWylde has the right idea, but I would prefer to use a piece of lead only 0.308 inches (7.62 mm) in diameter and travelling at 1800 fps.

[Lou Girardin]

Transit apply a cost/benfit ratio for this type of work.
All the cross-median fatals were not enough to warrant median barriers until the Govt of the day stepped in and ordered the work.
So, one death is not enough, more have to die.

[Postie]

They don't need a bridge to throw crap off of... Fencing the bridges IMO is a waste of tax payers money, rather put cameras on overpasses that have been targeted in the past and ones they think will be targeted in the future, catch the little bastards on tape, then hunt them down and punish them (although punishment in NZ equates to a cookie and milk)



nice idea but how much do you think a couple of cameras would cost on each bridge, and how long till you see it on trademe for $1 reserve or just destroyed all together.
And like you said, what will they do anyway, find their carboard box, drag them out and slap their wrists.
I say we should put the army to use, train up heaps of snipers and put them in a nice secluded spot overlooking each bridge and shoot the fuckers. Its probably a bit harsh for throwing things off a bridge, but it will solve the problem.
i guess they could just use BB guns, just have to make sure they hit them in the eye or somthing.

[Swoop]

Update.

Harold National News
Concrete death boy jailed for four years

11.15am Wednesday September 6, 2006


A 15-year-old boy was jailed for four years today for throwing a concrete slab off an Auckland motorway overbridge killing a man.

Ngatai Rewiti was acquitted of murder in July but found guilty of the manslaughter of motorist Chris Currie from Taupo, after the incident in August last year.

Mr Currie was driving north on the Southern Motorway when the 8kg lump Rewiti dropped on his car killed him instantly.

In the High Court in Auckland today, Justice Helen Winkelmann described the incident as act of "breath-taking stupidity" but she said it was not premeditated.

She discounted his sentence from a starting point of six years allowing one year off for his early guilty plea to manslaughter and another for his remorse.

[McJim]

They shouldn't fence the bridges - they should tear the overpasses down and make tunnels and underpasses under the motorway. Then they'd have to be really detetmined to be able to drop stuff on traffic.

[The Pastor]

They shouldn't fence the bridges - they should tear the overpasses down and make tunnels and underpasses under the motorway. Then they'd have to be really detetmined to be able to drop stuff on traffic.

Bloodly hell.

You are the reason this country is so stuffed up.

A kid throughs a brick off a bridge and your blaming the dam bridge?? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU.

I move that the governtment buys some large ships that can be controlled by a home base in auckland. Then ship all the dumb/stupid/moron people off to south america. I vote that mcjim be the ships captian. Head of the morons.

[Coyote]

Bloodly hell.

You are the reason this country is so stuffed up.

A kid throughs a brick off a bridge and your blaming the dam bridge?? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU.

I move that the governtment buys some large ships that can be controlled by a home base in auckland. Then ship all the dumb/stupid/moron people off to south america. I vote that mcjim be the ships captian. Head of the morons.
Yeah, well, you're gay. Yeah, bitch

And this country is not stuffed up from idealistic thinking people, it's screwed up by the politicians who want to screw everyone.

The whole bridge fencing thing is unrealistic. I'd rather see a whole bunch of money going into the health sector than on preventing deaths that hardly occur. How many people have been killed by shit thrown at them off bridges in the last decade anyway?

[Lil_Byte]

Just put up some automated machine guns on the overbridges set to shoot any idiot doing anything silly.

You would only have to worry about dodging falling bodies for the 1st week until the rest got the idea :scooter:

[McJim]

Bloodly hell.

You are the reason this country is so stuffed up.

A kid throughs a brick off a bridge and your blaming the dam bridge?? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU.

I move that the governtment buys some large ships that can be controlled by a home base in auckland. Then ship all the dumb/stupid/moron people off to south america. I vote that mcjim be the ships captian. Head of the morons.

Muwahahaha - cool - one day you'll learn how to spell too!

You're entitled to your opinion little one - I've read a lot of your other posts - enough to know that your opinion of my opinion means sweet damn all to me. And I've seen the picture of you in the denim mini-skirt too - shave them damned legs boy!

[The Pastor]

Just put up some automated machine guns on the overbridges set to shoot any idiot doing anything silly.

You would only have to worry about dodging falling bodies for the 1st week until the rest got the idea :scooter:

I vote for you for president.


Yeah, well, you're gay. Yeah, bitch

And this country is not stuffed up from idealistic thinking people, it's screwed up by the politicians who want to screw everyone.

The whole bridge fencing thing is unrealistic. I'd rather see a whole bunch of money going into the health sector than on preventing deaths that hardly occur. How many people have been killed by shit thrown at them off bridges in the last decade anyway?

Which was my point, If you didnt get it.....


Muwahahaha - cool - one day you'll learn how to spell too!

You're entitled to your opinion little one - I've read a lot of your other posts - enough to know that your opinion of my opinion means sweet damn all to me. And I've seen the picture of you in the denim mini-skirt too - shave them damned legs boy!

Your daughter likes them hairy. Says they remind her of you when you used to come home drunk on those cold winter nights.

But serrioulsy, how can a bridge be at fault? I'd like more tunnels, but im an engineer (in trianing) and tunnels make nice sounds when your on a motorbike!

[McJim]

But serrioulsy, how can a bridge be at fault? I'd like more tunnels, but im an engineer (in trianing) and tunnels make nice sounds when your on a motorbike!

I don't think anyone is blaming the bridges per se - and I was just voicing a polarised view because I do that sometimes to encourage rational thought among other people.

Trouble is the bridges create temptation for some kids and since it's got publicity a lot of other kids think it's cool to do throw stuff at cars - this thread is basically discussing the pros and cons of fencing overpasses to remove that temptation.

Personally I think you would get more benefit from attacking people's posts and opinions rather than resorting to attacking them personally with abuse. I wouldn't hurl abuse at you but then again I consider you too insignificant to be worth any effort.

Best of luck with your studies.

P.S. I don't have a daughter...unless you're referring to your sister after I was climbing all over your mother.:rofl:

[TLDV8]

They shouldn't fence the bridges - they should tear the overpasses down and make tunnels and underpasses under the motorway. Then they'd have to be really detetmined to be able to drop stuff on traffic.


There used to be an underpass at Papatoetoe but due to glue sniffers and it being used as a retreat for burglers from Otara it was locked...The problem starts with parenting or lack of,after watching Police 10/7 last night it is not hard to see why.

http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,11964-6263222,00.html

The father was on the Radio saying there has never been any contact,remorse,yeah,right.


The teenager who killed a motorist when he threw a piece of concrete from an Auckland motorway overbridge has been sentenced to four years in jail.

Fifteen-year-old Ngatai Reweti was originally charged with murder for the death of 20-year-old Chris Currie but a jury found him guilty of manslaughter.

Mr Currie died instantly when the eight kilogram block was dropped from the Princes Street overbridge onto his car on August 19, last year.

The judge initially set six years as the sentence but took a year off when taking into consideration his age and another year for his early plea and for the remorse he has shown.

The maximum penalty which can be handed down for manslaughter is life imprisonment.

[The Pastor]

I don't think anyone is blaming the bridges per se - and I was just voicing a polarised view because I do that sometimes to encourage rational thought among other people.



Rational thought? Your in the wrong country.

Tearing down bridges and building expensive tunnels to stop people throughing stuff off them is rational? How about stopping people throwing stuff off them? That makes more sence that you did. Damn scots good for nothings.

[McJim]

Rational thought? Your in the wrong country.

Tearing down bridges and building expensive tunnels to stop people throughing stuff off them is rational? How about stopping people throwing stuff off them? That makes more sence that you did. Damn scots good for nothings.

*sigh* read it again and you'll get it. The polarised view is not my own rather a devils advocate position put forward as extremist so people could rationally discuss the issue with another alternative on the table. TLDV8 got the idea and advised of a valid reason why it would be impractical.

Out of interest - how long did it take you to understand concepts like shear force and bending moments?

[pritch]

I hear 9mm lumps at a velocity of 1000fps are particularly effective in getting the point accross.

Umm I don't think anything in 9mm qualifies as a lump. .450 maybe?

[Coyote]

Which was my point, If you didnt get it.....

No, you didn't metion what I said at all. You were only trying to belittle someone

[The Pastor]

No, you didn't metion what I said at all. You were only trying to belittle someone


I said it was a waste of money. Go get a real bike.

[Swoop]

Umm I don't think anything in 9mm qualifies as a lump

A lumpette perhaps?

[Coyote]

I said it was a waste of money. Go get a real bike.
Hahaha, good one. Must admit you had me for a second though

[The Pastor]

Hahaha, good one. Must admit you had me for a second though


Its ok, not everyone is as slow as you:rockon:

[Coyote]

Its ok, not everyone is as slow as you:rockon:
I know, there's far fewer people that are faster though

[Ruralman]

We should start the sentence of all these delinquent offenders with an afternoon or 2 in the stocks, placed in a very public place with a ready supply of non lethal things to throw at them. A bit of public humiliation would stop them and their dickhead mates thinking it was so f'ing cool.

[pixc]

yip..and lets put all rapists, murderers and paedophiles onto an island, give them aids, cancer, bird flu and any other disease we might want a cure for and test antidotes on them...rant rant woffle woffle..

The kids are wrong no doubt...but the problem needs to be treated at the source. Im not smart enough to know or even suggest a solution.