The Big Martial Arts Thread

[R6_kid]

Ok so i'm looking at getting into martial arts. Im rather large (6ft 2, 97kg) and not particularly flexible at the moment. What are known as the better or more popular arts to learn?

I'm thinking more towards subduing/pacifist type martial arts (but not tai chi) as opposed to killing type martial arts... but i do need to learn how to fight because im way to pussy at the moment.

So what kinds of martial arts are you into, how long have been practising it and what is the background behind your particular string of martial arts?

(lets try and keep this out of PD)

[JimO]

you could try pushing people over and sitting on them.... im a blue belt at Karate

[Colapop]

I've been looking into it too. I'm currently a member at a std. gym but it has no challenges for me so I found this (http://www.gsw.co.nz/) place. Although it's no help to you there are places up that (http://www.bjj.co.nz/) way that you can go to.
There are usually other martials arts that share the same dojo.

[SwanTiger]

I'm thinking more towards subduing/pacifist type martial arts

Akido.

I belive there are classes in the Albany and Glenfield/Birkenhead area.

Personally I would suggest Boxing, it is the only practical fighting style and has been around the longest. A good trainer will break you down and build you up with a good mentality and instictive abilities you'll carry for life.

[Darryboy]

Have a look at Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

It's a form of submission grappling. No striking and it's quite easy to pick up.

-edit- But it's not really good if there's more than one of them.

[justsomeguy]

Akido.

I belive there are classes in the Albany and Glenfield/Birkenhead area.

Personally I would suggest Boxing, it is the only practical fighting style and has been around the longest. A good trainer will break you down and build you up with a good mentality and instictive abilities you'll carry for life.

I agree.

However I'd recommend competition kickboxing. You become really fit, you have a goal to train for and you have to remain sharp.

The classes are also not filled with 12 year olds who's mummy's think they should get some exercise. This is one of the best ever places to train IMHO http://www.balmoralleegar.com/


For pure self defence ninjutsu is arguably the best art out there. I'm sorry I don't have any contacts. Drunken Monkey does though, so you could ask him.

[Gwinch]

I haven't practised any martial arts apart from Tae Kwon Do (complete waste of time if you want my opinion) so otherwise I'm a bit of an armchair intellectual on the subject.

Thought if you really want my opinion then I'd recommend either Jiu Jitsu or Wing Chun Kung Fu.

The former being more of the art of tumbling your opponent and then subduing them in a form of hold and failing that, nasty strikes or chops to the throat and other sensitive areas. Quite ideal for the larger man. Infact, one of the world masters is a man who weighs close to 300 pounds. Absolutely astouding to watch him fly with the grace that he has.

The latter on the other hand, I'd still suggest for your size and frame. A bit more traditional in terms of relying on punches and kicks but instead of raw power you'll be more concerned with balance, posture and being relaxed. You may be concerned that most of the strikes are potentially very harmful but at least the martial art stresses non-confrontation.

Oh well, that's my little bit. Pick it apart if you want.

[justsomeguy]

Have a look at Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

It's a form of submission grappling. No striking and it's quite easy to pick up.

-edit- But it's not really good if there's more than one of them.

Yeah - but training twice or thrice a week getting "really close" to sweaty guys is rather:shutup:.

[zeocen]

Just shop around and find what you like, not what someone suggests you'll like.. Only you know what will work for you. You just have to be cautious of all the McDojo's around and maybe do some background checks if you're in it for long term.

Also, you could learn every art in the world but it wouldn't mean jack if you're not fit.. so I would start there. There's no martial art better than "Run Fu" :P

[Kornholio]

Me, my house and contents and bike are protected by Mossberg...none of that Hoo-flung-dung :)

If not around the house just release 'the Mongrel' in ya :D

[Darkman]

I did Japanese Karate from when I was 9. Semi and full contact. Good sport if you want to get fit and flexible. If you want to learn how to fight I recon you have to do something like kickboxing or some full contact sport like that Brazilian extreme stuff.Something to harden you up. Cause no matter how good you get, there is some guy out there that will give you one in the face and you need to be able to withstand a punch or two. I’m doing Kung fu at the moment, when I’m not to lazy. Good if you want to learn how to use weapons and get real flexible.

[justsomeguy]

Also, you could learn every art in the world but it wouldn't mean jack if you're not fit.. so I would start there. There's no martial art better than "Run Fu" :P

Hahahaha, that's so true.

In 99.99% cases running away is the best option.

Besides it's not how good your techniques are - it's how crazy your heart is.

There are cases where it took 6 cops -and be honest most NZ cops are big fellas who know what they're doing - to overcome a crazy little kid high on P.

If you're serious about self defense - find a good Ninjutsu school and within 3 years of consistent 2-3 times a week training you will be able to sort out your arse from your ass.

[boomer]

Me, my house and contents and bike are protected by Mossberg...none of that Hoo-flung-dung :)

If not around the house just release 'the Mongrel' in ya :D

HHEHEHE.. i prefer the 'english football yob' art.... two arms make a windmill... 2 legs make for good ground work and a set of keys finish's off the most resiliant assailant; and no matter how small or large you are, screaming like a banshee either scares the crap out of someone or has them bemused long enough for you to strike first

Here (http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=339)

[Darkman]

Besides it's not how good your techniques are - it's how crazy your heart is.

This is true..but all heart and no skill also doesnt mean crap.

[*sic]

as said shop around for what you are into personally.

people think martial arts are something for anyone to be competant, not true.

how many people try to be doctors and fail?.. Its either for you (ie you have the ability to be good) or its not and move on.

9 years training and teaching so far for me and very few people i have encountered are ever really good at what they do.

find something that you personally like and enjoy training in, find a teacher who you can ask "why" to and they dont become offended or say "thats how its always been" it shows they dont know why they are doing something and will not know the meaning, reason, mechanics, physics behind it, making it useless to you.

Best point to remember if you move into a traditional art and not a full fighting sport ie kickboxing. Always ask why. Martial arts is not magic, it is refinement of movement, movement can be broken down into body mechanics.

Anyone who says they have some force or power is a crook or has not thought about what they are doing..

If you move in the direction of a full contact sport art... train under a champ, or a coach that trains champs.


enough ramble.

im ghost.

[Darkman]

Martial arts is not magic, it is refinement of movement

well said!

[Lazy7]

go for Muay Thai Kick Boxing.

first up its the best version of martial arts for a street fight.

secondly you dont need to be stupidly flexible to be able to do all the moves.

finally - kick boxing doesn;t have any of the traditional stuff that can sometimes get tiresome.

its fast and physical where as a lot of traditionally taught martial arts are just for show and self dicipline.

[WINJA]

philip lams is really good, i went there 6 years 5 days aweek 2 hours a day minimum , the thai guys are good teachers and dont think they dont grapple cause they do , they teach simple easy to learn moves most importantly they teach you to engage one of the most important things is learning to hit and get hit and to take the punishment, its not enough to learn fancy moves cause you need to try them on people , dont be put off by the semi full or full contact training yeah it hurts a bit but you get used to it and its the most important lesson of all, i got a bag at home its quite hard but people can be hard when you hit them eg fist to head ,shin to elbow or shin to shin so get a hard bag at home , at home is good i liked to hit it after eating a big meal or coming home tired or wearing jeans shoes and a jacket also hitting it without a warmup and with no gloves , after all your most likely to get in a fight wearing jeans and shoes , maybe after a hard night when your tired , so mix your training up, dpnt trust those thai guys with money and most of them are dishonest except for piak i think hes still there

[Sensei]

LOL you all have a lot to learn !:zzzz:

[Colapop]

As Sensei will you not honor us with your words of wisdom?

[Hitcher]

Marital arts? You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word.

[Drunken Monkey]

For pure self defence ninjutsu is arguably the best art out there. I'm sorry I don't have any contacts. Drunken Monkey does though, so you could ask him.

As JSG has stated, Ninjutsu is very much a pure self defense art, unlike its more sporterized cousins (e.g. Karate, Judo, etc). If you don't want to be known as the guy that kicks for the balls, pokes fingers in the eyes, breaks the wrist bones, then runs and hides; Ninjutsu isn't for you.
If it does sound like 'your bag', the most popular form is Bujinkan, the school as headed by 34th Grand Master Masaki Hatsumi.
http://carbon.zehym.com/kiwidojos/html/bujinkan.htm

There are a few others around Aucks as well, including:
http://www.sukisha.com/
First lesson is free, so it wouldn't hurt to try it out.

The current 'rage' is to mix your arts. Brazilian Jujitsu combined with Tae Kwon Do is quite a popular combination for MMA at the moment.

[justsomeguy]

Marital arts? You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word.

That may be, but what kind of things would a person of your kind need, that would need more than a kind word to get? I've heard that a gun is a kind of thing people look unkindly upon. Swords on the other hand are said to be useless against a pen or stationery of a similar kind. Having said that, sometimes a lot can be achieved by simply being kind. Not that I condone any behaviour of the kind spoken off.

[justsomeguy]

First lesson is free, so it wouldn't hurt to try it out.

Eh you sure of that?? Depends how fit ol' Gareth is to begin with:blip:

[MidnightMike]

I did my first lesson of karate today.

Jesus christ, you need to be of a reasonable fitness just to do the warm ups, ive been out of the sporting loop ( competing at a national level )for a few years now. i look in great shape but infact inside i feel like a fat turd. I was watching these little kids less than half my size owning me on the push ups :mellow: , strength wise i was all good, breaking the black belt level boards, but before you start martial arts spend a fair amount of time getting back into shape, itll save you some embarassment. :oi-grr:

[DemonWolf]

MidnightMike... that was the same for me.. I've just started going back to Zen do Kai after about a 5 month break... and even though I play a couple sports my stamina and upper body strength wasn't as it use to be.. Though I do a good 3 hour session (once a week) I was slighly embarrassed and annoyed... though I only have myself to blame for not keeping up with my personal fitness. Its taken my body a week to recover from the session.. and after two weeks, it only now take a couple days before I'm not stiff..

[SlowHand]

Marital arts? You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word.

You point a gun at Mrs. Hitcher?

By the hammer of Thor, you wellingtonians are a hard bunch.

[JimO]

the movie Ong Bak is pretty cool for the fight scenes the story is pretty hockey though:doobey:

[WINJA]

LOL you all have a lot to learn !:zzzz:
MAYBE, BUT MY LIFE DONT REVOLVE AROUND FIGHTING

[justsomeguy]

the movie Ong Bak is pretty cool for the fight scenes the story is pretty hockey though:doobey:

The reviews said - no special effects - typical senseless story - but the English subtitles help.

The little fella makes it all look so easy:zzzz:

[Sensei]

MAYBE, BUT MY LIFE DONT REVOLVE AROUND FIGHTING


Mine doesn't anymore as with my riding been there done that ! :first:

[cowpoos]

gareth mate....I think you should take up origarmi

[soundbeltfarm]

gareth mate....I think you should take up origarmi


see it now, about to get assaulted
"come on B'artch i black belt in origarmi i fold you into little bitty dragon"

[cowpoos]

see it now, about to get assaulted
"come on B'artch i black belt in origarmi i fold you into little bitty dragon"
with the littering around auckland I doubt he will ever be short of a weapon...

[SARGE]

i use a headbutt and thumb to the eye..


your mileage may vary

[Lias]

For pure "fuck people up"ness you really cant go past ju-jitsu. (not brazilian which has a much larger focus on grappling).

I was never seriously into attending, went for a few months with a friend but what I learned in that time was enough to make me seriously respect any expereinced practioner of ju-jitsu. The sensei once made a comment along the lines of "if one of my black belts cant cripple/disable 10 untrained opponents in 10 seconds in a barroom brawl, then he doesnt deserve his belt" and I fully believe him :-)

Fro wellingtonites I recommend:
http://www.judo-jitsu.wellington.net.nz/index.shtml

[Colapop]

You point a gun at Mrs. Hitcher?

By the hammer of Thor, you wellingtonians are a hard bunch.
By Odin, you touched on a Thor point there!!

[Colapop]

The reviews said - no special effects - typical senseless story - but the English subtitles help.

The little fella makes it all look so easy:zzzz:
I enjoyed Ong Bak. It's the first subtitled movie I haven't gone to sleep in ('cept for thos ones that you take no notice of the subtitles....:blip: )

[Darkman]

The sensei once made a comment along the lines of "if one of my black belts cant cripple/disable 10 untrained opponents in 10 seconds in a barroom brawl, then he doesnt deserve his belt" and I fully believe him :-)

So he must have no black belts then...and most probably will never have ..

[Devil]

Go for Wing Chun. Very practical and enjoyable. Not all about strength, but being efficient. None of this breaking boards crap. No yelling and screaming blue murder everytime you move.

Start off with the basic stuff and then develop into the blindfolded fighting. Yay.

[MrMelon]

Yeah wing chun is all good. Takes a lot of time and dedication though. It's not really something you can just turn up to class for and that be the end of it. Plan on spending at least a couple of years before you've got some idea of what you're doing.

[Lias]

So he must have no black belts then...and most probably will never have ..

His name was John Haasntra (spelling?) I believe he was a former NZ champion of some sort. The main thing I remember him for is his son (himself a member of the dutch olympic judo team) being arrested and charge with murder in a drug deal gone bad.

[zeocen]

Go for Wing Chun. Very practical and enjoyable. Not all about strength, but being efficient. None of this breaking boards crap. No yelling and screaming blue murder everytime you move.

Start off with the basic stuff and then develop into the blindfolded fighting. Yay.

DevilWTKC !? :D

Yeah WingChun is good, if you're just wanting to fight I guess a combo of kickboxing+grappling would suffice, and learnt in less time. WingChun is kind of a "life" art.. I wouldn't recommend using it as a primary form of fighting if you want fast results. I did WC for about 2 years, I liked it for fun factor.. not for fighting.

[Hitcher]

Ong Bak, Wing Chun. You guys are just making this shit up. Aren't you.

[Devil]

DevilWTKC !? :D
Shhhhh, they'll find me!

[R6_kid]

most of you have pretty much seen what im after, basically there are a lot of shit head 16-17yr olds that hang out around with my mates and generally end up causing shit for no reason what so ever, or just because they are drunk.

Had one seriously start attacking me, punching to the head etc... when i figured out wtf was going on and decided to teach him a lesson two of his mates jumped me and then my mate went for him and it basically turned into a 6 v 2 fight...

I was sort of thinking Aikaido (sp) for the defence side of things with jiu jitsu or something similar for the semi/full contact side of things... practicing once or twice a week with one, and once with the other. But yeh, im pacifistic (pussy?) by nature so i do like the idea of aikaido, that is the fact that its a deflection of power rather than a 'block' so that you force your oponent to the ground using only defensive moves... then you can sit on them and tell them who's boss.

I do understand that in reality you need to take a beating to really learn how to fight - as said, no use trying to do the fancy moves if you cant take the hits.

[Wolf]

I've tried boxing, Judo, Karate, Tae Kwon Do and Aikido.

I still find that years after a few weeks' Judo training I instinctively do a proper break-fall if I slip over onto my back.

I found the warm-up exercises at the TKD classes nearly crippled me and left me incapable of properly training - I was out of shape and it was like being flung straight into a marathon.

Aikido I liked the best - the warm-up exercises were gentler than those of TKD and focussed on limbering you up, making you flexible.

I found the all three dojos I went to tended to race through three or four techniques a night and the next night you're onto three or four more.

I'd have preferred that they properly drilled fewer techniques so that you walked out able to do one or two well rather than come out vaguely remembering one, especially since some of the combinations of movement were complex.

I also found that they teach many different techniques for dealing with the same attack - a punch, a grapple, a hold etc - when it would seem to me to be better to learn a few techniques really well and drill in them until they become as ingrained as my break-fall is.

The big plus (for me) to Aikido is that you don't "waste time" learning to hit and kick people. You learn ways to deal with someone trying to hit, kick or grab you.

I figure that if you match hour-for-hour training in Aikido and Karate, the trainee in Aikido will know more ways of defending themselves than the Karate trainee does because the Karate bloke will have spent his time learning to punch and kick rather than devoting his time to stopping punches and kicks.

The Aikido trainee will also have learned techniques to deal with falls.

I would like a "shortened" version of Aikido - some of the more versatile (and potentially devastating) techniques to deal with all the attacks - one technique for each attack form - that can be drilled over and over until they are ingrained and you respond instinctively to the attacks.

Far better, IMO, than having to decide between 5 different ways to deal with a right cross while it's en route.

Aikido is gentler on the trainee than other martial arts I've tried but it is by no means "soft" - I'm only a white belt and already I know three techniques to dislocate a shoulder or break a limb and a couple that'd crack the bugger's skull.

Out of practice at the moment. Will go back again when the boys are old enough to train with me.

[Wolf]

i do like the idea of aikaido, that is the fact that its a deflection of power rather than a 'block' so that you force your oponent to the ground using only defensive moves... then you can sit on them and tell them who's boss.
You can also dislocate his shoulder in under half a second and leave him screaming in agony on the ground while you deal with his mate who's closing in on you. If you do it right he won't be likely to get back up to continue the fight (unless he's so wasted on P or other drugs that he's feeling no pain).

You talk of being harrassed by groups of hoods (funny they don't have the nuts to hassle you when they're alone) so you need to think not in terms of "fighting" but in terms of "taking down".

Aikido is good for that, one of our exercises was to charge one of the black belts who stood there throwing us off to either side of him one after the other - we of course rolled out unharmed as we're trained to fall. A bunch of street punks would not be so lucky and the chances are that first contact with the pavement would be with their faces...

Never fight.

Never ever.

You can lose a fight but you can survive taking the person/people out and getting the fuck outta Dodge.

Take 'em down quick and don't let it turn into a fight you can possibly lose. Then get out. Run-fu is still the best option no matter how well trained you are.

[Colapop]

Be careful Grasshopper that your motives are true. Learning martial arts for anything other than self defense is a self defeating exercise.

[Finn]

Or you could save yourself a lot of hard work and get a Class B firearms license like I did. Sure martial arts guys are quick but they can't dodge bullets. The other advantage is that you can let your body go.

[Wolf]

Or you could save yourself a lot of hard work and get a Class B firearms license like I did. Sure martial arts guys are quick but they can't dodge bullets. The other advantage is that you can let your body go.
Class B just lets you store your pistol at home and transport it to and from the club, it doesn't permit you to carry it in a ready state concealed about your person or in your home or vehicle, nor does it permit you to use a pistol as a means of self defence.

You can always do what a mate did when he realised he was being followed by three or four hoods:

He crossed the road, they crossed the road.

He crossed back, they crossed back - OK, so much for coincidence.

They must have known he'd made them and were probably wondering if he was going to run.

He straightened up, rolled his shoulders to limber up and began cheerfully whistling "I Can Feel It Coming in the Air Tonight".

When he looked back again, they'd fucked off. They weren't keen to take on anyone who seemed to be happy that he was about to scrap with three or four guys

I once dealt with an aggro guy and a couple of his mates who accosted me in a fish and chip shop by laughing derisively at the bloke (he was taller and more muscly than I was) and walking away. Of course, I wasn't stupid: I stood and occupied my attention with the Space Invader machine - the glass of the screen gave a good reflection of what was going on behind me and I would have had time to get out of the way if he came up behind me.

What I saw was them leaving the shop. They had failed to intimidate me, so I wasn't "fun" anymore.

I also got the "What the fuck you lookin' at?" in a pub from some guy obviously spoiling for a fight. I politely replied that I was just daydreaming while enjoying my drink and though I may well have been looking in his direction, I was certainly not staring at him and had no idea he was there until he spoke.

He did a double-take, surprised at my politeness, said "Oh, that's OK then" and wandered away visibly pissed off - I think he was hoping I would respond rudely to his challenge so he could smack me over and feel justified that I started it. (Or at least claim to the police later that I started it.)

Didn't give him the pleasure.

[Finn]

Class B just lets you store your pistol at home and transport it to and from the club, it doesn't permit you to carry it in a ready state concealed about your person or in your home or vehicle, nor does it permit you to use a pistol as a means of self defence.


You're not supposed to speed either. I use it for competitions and of course fun. It does however provide a certain level of comfort in the unlikely event of a home invasion where I believe the law is on my side. Okay, worse case scenario I get charged for misuse of a firearm - woopey.

[Deano]

Personally I would suggest Boxing, it is the only practical fighting style and has been around the longest.

Ever heard of Muay Thai ?

Can't get much more practical than that and I bet it's been around longer than boxing too.

[Deano]

Or you could save yourself a lot of hard work and get a Class B firearms license like I did. Sure martial arts guys are quick but they can't dodge bullets. The other advantage is that you can let your body go.

Are you always packing Finn ?

[justsomeguy]

most of you have pretty much seen what im after, basically there are a lot of shit head 16-17yr olds that hang out around with my mates and generally end up causing shit for no reason what so ever, or just because they are drunk.

Had one seriously start attacking me, punching to the head etc... when i figured out wtf was going on and decided to teach him a lesson two of his mates jumped me and then my mate went for him and it basically turned into a 6 v 2 fight...


Eh, ever thought of hanging out somewhere else?? Best form of defence is to not put yourself in the situation in the first place.

Martial arts are all good buddy but take at least 6 months to just loose your general clumsiness.

What do you think happens? You learn to fight - they attack you - you smash them into pulp - they think whoaa he's a tough guy leave him alone??

No.

They go away - find someone tougher than you - and smash you to a pulp. Or find your bike parked somewhere one day and thrash it.......it's even worse if they find out where you or your lady/mates live.

That's how it works in the real world from my limited experiences. Unless you want to get some professionals (not cops) involved and send a very clear message - that is expensive and takes matters to a whole new level, but gets the job done once and for all.

Just avoid the bastards, Auckland is big enough to find other places to be.

My .00002c

JSG

[Wolf]

You're not supposed to speed either. I use it for competitions and of course fun. It does however provide a certain level of comfort in the unlikely event of a home invasion where I believe the law is on my side. Okay, worse case scenario I get charged for misuse of a firearm - woopey.
When being reassessed for my firearms licence the guy asked "What do you think of using your rifles for self defence?" and I replied "Interesting notion as the law says I can do so if I feel my life is in danger yet it also says that my firearm, bolt and ammunition must be stored separately under lock and key so I'd have an interesting time explainig why one of my firearms was accessible and loaded in order for me to defend myself. And I doubt the attacker will kindly wait while I unlock firearm, bolt and ammunition, assemble the firearm and load it - he'd have time to shoot me dead about 43 times in the process."

The bloke said "Good point" and marked something on his paper.

I think he was ticking the "Smart-arse" box.

[Finn]

Are you always packing Finn ?

No but that's what I tell the girls. In the good old days in SA (80's) I used to. My brother, who also served in the military and I used to work for my Uncle. We had to visit various construction sites and do a bit of traveling. We were on our way to Joburg once and a brick, tied to rope and a bridge hit the corner of our car. Gave us one hell of a fright. Pulled over and emptied our rounds at the shadows. Fuckers.

My brother continued in the military as has been MIA for 6 years.

[Devil]

Are you always packing Finn ?
I'd pack Finn if he was any use. Fit in a suitcase, that man would.
:nya:

[Wolf]

I'd pack Finn if he was any use. Fit in a suitcase, that man would.
:nya:
Would it still float?

[SlowHand]

By Odin, you touched on a Thor point there!!


Gasp.

Forgive my blasphemy kind sir, didnt relise there was a vicodin in da houzes/.

[Colapop]

Thee my thig.

[WINJA]

Go for Wing Chun. Very practical and enjoyable. Not all about strength, but being efficient. None of this breaking boards crap. No yelling and screaming blue murder everytime you move.

Start off with the basic stuff and then develop into the blindfolded fighting. Yay.
THATS FABULOUS INNIT , I SPARRED WITH A BLINDFOLDED WINGCHUN EXPERT WHO HAD 20+ YEARS OF TRAINING , I DIDNT BELIEVE THE 1" PUNCH EITHER TILL HE KNOCKED ME ON MY ARSE TWICE , HE SAID IT DOES TAKE A HELL OF A LONG TIME TO BE GOOD AND ITS A REALLY GOOD SYSTEM FOR WOMAN TO LEARN

[Pussy]

Kun Ton Tung is the best one to go for

[The_Dover]

I still think a good old fashioned bitch slapping is as effective as anything.

[Wolf]

When all else fails scream wildly, flail your arms and go ballistic in berserk rage, froth at the mouth, roll your eyes and bite hard. You'll take out one in next to no time and you won't have to worry about his mates because they'll have split already. No one wants to take on a frothing lunatic. Safety in numbers my fucking arse, that guy's nuts, I'm outta here.

Or you could go for the subtle. Listen patiently and intently to their opening threats, smile disturbingly and say "Ah, so that's why the voices told me I would feed tonight. Come closer, my pretty shining ones." Do it right, you won't have to bite anyone.

[Colapop]

Fights are actually pretty easy. It's either them or you. If you think there's rules and gentlemenly behaviour - you're dreaming. If you're in the shit up to your eyeballs you bite, scratch, grab bits, headbutt, kick, scream .... pretty much whatever it takes to win. Otherwise - you lose.

[SlowHand]

Or, you could just grab something sharp and say,

You guys better cripple me quick, because Im going to stab this into an eye. I dont care who's. I might get fuct up and not walk for a while, but one of you will lose an eye tonight.

[metric]

as previously said in the thread, muay thai if you are interested in mixing it up & don't mind learning to get hit / take the knocks etc

I reckon wing chun tho... it's an awesome art. had a couple of mates do it for a few years... attack & defend simultaneously, liquid hands etc. Got a freaky stance tho, with the knees kinda bent inwards

[SlashWylde]

Hey Gareth,

my suggestion for you would be Aikido as a pacifist but effective martial art. There's a lot to be gained in mental and physical development from martial arts, and you'll probably find it benefits your biking as well as other areas of life.

In the past I've done Karate and a bit of kick boxing and some Aikido.

I think one needs to try a few things before finding the one you really like.

Go see Dwayne at Ronin Martial Ats in Papatoetoe http://www.roninmartialarts.co.nz/ if that suits you geographically. They train in a variety of disciplines and are a good bunch.

[zeocen]

Shhhhh, they'll find me!

Thought so! (mpx)
Your bike makes me jealous with rage :(

[Wolf]

my suggestion for you would be Aikido as a pacifist but effective martial art. There's a lot to be gained in mental and physical development from martial arts, and you'll probably find it benefits your biking as well as other areas of life.
I like the flexibility I had when I was practising Aikido regularly and the general wellness and body tone for seemingly little effort. I could barely stagger out of the TKD classes, whereas I was so "pumped" I felt like running home after Aikido (I don't do running!). And the exercises felt really laid back followed by some forward break-falls and a couple of low energy techniques to escape from grabs or evade punches - seriously about letting the other bugger or nature provide the energy. Let him put himself off balance with his strike and then provide that little amount of "push" to take him over the edge. Gravity will do the rest. Great stuff. I know one technique where you trap your opponent's arm and if he's stupid enough to try to hit you with the other one he will break his own arm

The mental disciple was also good.

[vtec]

Well, as a kid I was NZ Judo champ in my weight category's for a few years. Also did boxing for a while. I think I would be a reasonably good brawler in real life, but I don't have much trouble getting on with people. They would have to be seriously unreasonable (or thiefs) for me to get in a brawl.

In my opinion, to make a good all round fighter, you need to have experience in one wrestling/grappling style of fighting (such as Judo), and some experience in a striking style of fighting like boxing or kickboxing.

[Deano]

Oh, fuck off.

Thats a real compelling argument for boxing mate - have you taken a few too many to the head ?

[Lias]

I still think a good old fashioned bitch slapping is as effective as anything.
Depends on teh circumstances, but yes you can be right.

Not a self defense matter, but years ago I was downtown with some friends hanging out with a bunch of boy racer types. The carloard of people i'd come in with had stopped to pick up a young lady on our way to town that night, a friend of my mates gf. Didnt know her from a bar of soap, but at one point in the evening I saw she was sitting down on the curb crying. Found out via mates GF that her BF had bashed her and told her to fuckoff.. Asked who said BF was. Got pointed to some cocky young boy racer with his backwards baseball cap fubu jacket and his pants around his knees looking all staunch in front of his mates. Asked his name, then walked over and said are you XYZ. He walked out towards me with a "yeah I am and who the fuck are you" thing going on, and I just backhand slapped him in the mouth with all my strength and said if he EVER made his girlfriend cry again I'd beat him so bad he'd wish he was dead.

Strangely enough he stopped being all macho in front of his boys at that point and just started crying.


Okay, worse case scenario I get charged for misuse of a firearm - woopey.And they take away your license, and all your guns, and dont give you a cent for them. I dont know why people both with firearms licenses, its not exactly difficult to get ahold of firearms via other means. Of the many people I know who own firearms, well over half dont have licenses.

[The_Dover]

And they take away your license, and all your guns, and dont give you a cent for them. I dont know why people both with firearms licenses, its not exactly difficult to get ahold of firearms via other means. Of the many people I know who own firearms, well over half dont have licenses.

Can you hook a brother up with an AK? I got some issues with the neighbours cat.

[SwanTiger]

Thats a real compelling argument for boxing mate - have you taken a few too many to the head ?

Gareth asked for suggestions/advice, I provided my suggestion/advice for him, not to have a debate or some dick go on about which is better.

[Deano]

Gareth asked for suggestions/advice, I provided my suggestion/advice for him, not to have a debate or some dick go on about which is better.

Plenty of people in here suggesting which is better, but not me.

I think Muay Thai is more practical than boxing - aren't I entitled to my opinion ?

[The_Dover]

aren't I entitled to my opinion ?

No, you ride a Honda.

[SwanTiger]

aren't I entitled to my opinion ?

I could argue the same point and encourage you to shut up. Instead I'm politely telling you to fuck off by telling you to fuck off.

Anyway this is wasting my bandwidth, I need to conserve it for porn.

[Deano]

Anyway this is wasting my bandwidth

:whocares: :motu:

[Darkman]

Hey Gareth…There are so many styles out there that you can go out and try. I think you got to go and find something you enjoy and if you put a lot into it, you will get a lot out.
They key is to really enjoy it. I love the art and practiced it every day at some stage of my life. Was Provincial champion (Free State RSA) 4 times in Karate and all styles and came third on Nationals once. I was in a big accident 3 years ago..lost all flexibility in my arms and most of my muscles in my upper body. Can’t use my upper body at all anymore for fighting, just use my legs. I still manage to keep some black belts of me and am still very confident as a fighter. I still practice two nights..in a club or in my garage. My point is, you should get into it for the right reasons I think, and the rest will come itself.. no matter what style you choose.

[R6_kid]

my old man just put me on to the base auckland martial arts club (air force) and they have different people come and teach different arts on weekely basis so you can try them out so will give that a go after exams. This week is ninjitsu which i'm gonna go check out, probably end up getting my arse kicked by some fire fighters or something :bye:

[DMNTD]

...I think Muay Thai is more practical than boxing

100% agree with that statement...I found/find it far more practical than "straight" boxing and with a decent teacher with an openmind you'll have the boxing skills anyway. I mean there's nothing wrong with having extra options/ammo eh?

In saying that....Gareth,it's all up to you mate but it does sound like Aikido would suit your requirements better. It's a beautiful art that I know you'd benefit from emensely.
Best advice I could give it to go along and check a short list of art forms and choose from there.
Best of luck

[cowpoos]

the thing I find quite funny about this whole thread is that with gareths rather pasifist type nature...I think fighting is the wrong avenue to head down...I reckon get some new barter bullets and start jogging...oh...and learn to keep ya big mouth shut unless your trying to catch flys!

[DMNTD]

the thing I find quite funny about this whole thread is that with gareths rather pasifist type nature...
Which is true...hence why Aikido would suit his disposition(sp) perfectly

[MidnightMike]

I think the real q is, WHAT THE FUCK IS TL RIDERS AVATAR? :shutup:

[Deano]

I think the real q is, WHAT THE FUCK IS TL RIDERS AVATAR? :shutup:

Looks like a crater on Mars....:wait:

Yucky

[The_Dover]

Which is true...hence why Aikido would suit his disposition(sp) perfectly


I think knitting would suit his disposition perfectly, and at least he'd have a couple of large needles to defend himself with if need be.

[R6_kid]

im not 100% pascifist, but i'll leave fighting til the last resort, e.g i have to be in the right mood to smack someone hard, or just really pissed off.

Aikaido from what i've seen is tai chi but with balls right? Basically using the force your opponent creates to defeat them?

and is Muay Tahi the brazillian one thats the 'fighting dance' where they made it into a type of dancing because martial arts and fighting were outlawwed or something to that effect?

[Kornholio]

You could try the ol "Crazy Eyes" :blip:

[Wolf]

Aikaido from what i've seen is tai chi but with balls right? Basically using the force your opponent creates to defeat them?
Aikido does a lot of letting the other person expend the loin's share of the energy. Apparently if you can lift 16lb (less than 8 kg) off the floor you can be profficient in Aikido against anyone.

Lift it off the floor, not raise it over your head or bench press it. Few people over the age of 4 cannot physically lift less than 8kg - my 4-year old son can lift a nearly-full 10kg bag of spuds.

You learn to think in terms of balance and allowing your opponent to take themselves off balance - you guide them in this endeavour. You also learn arm locks etc and you (most importantly) learn to fall and land safely.

They do not teach falling in Karate or TKD - they just assume you will always be playing safely on the tatamis (mat) as per the rules of the sport. In Real Life, you may well be taken down by someone. Aikido and Judo teach you how to land safely without injury and regain your footing.

They also teach you how to make sure the other person falls. From my experience, Judo is more physical than Aikido when it comes to throws and there are some throws that seem to me to be your power vs their power. The Aikido throws seem to be easier to execute and require less energy.

Do not at all regret the breakfall training I had in Judo as a child - it has saved me serious injury a large number of times. I would brobably be brain-damaged or dead due to one fall I had down a flight of concrete steps were it not for my instinctive breakfall.

[c4.]

Just learn to deal with F**kwits!
You can see trouble from a distance..... if you look!
You hardly ever need to 'fight'.
I subscribe to the fitness call.
if you can't out wit them mentally, you probably should be able to either, outrun them, or, at last resort, smack them. You will NOT be able to beat every one physically. Brains first ladies.
They're called animals for a reason.

[Deano]

and is Muay Tahi the brazillian one thats the 'fighting dance' where they made it into a type of dancing because martial arts and fighting were outlawwed or something to that effect?


Dare I say anything in case I get told to fuck off again......? I like to think everything I say in here I say as if I was in a conversation with someone and would therefore say it to their face. Somehow I don't think a lot of 'keyboard warriors' do the same...:nono:

Muay Thai is from Thailand - uses punches, kicks, knees and elbows. Used to be used in warfare against the Burmese (who also have their own martial art), in conjunction with swords etc.

The fighting dance is Capoiera (sp) and from South America. I believe it was outlawed so yes, they integrated the moves to look like dancing.

I think the base thing is a great idea - try out various styles before making a decision. Choose the one that suits you and your needs the best.

[Lias]

Can you hook a brother up with an AK? I got some issues with the neighbours cat.
Getting an AK47 illegally is probably only marginally easier than getting one legally :-) Given that you pretty much have to make mother theresa look like a sinner to get a

But hunting rifles/shotguns are an absolute piece of piss to get without a license.

[cowpoos]

Getting an AK47 illegally is probably only marginally easier than getting one legally :-) Given that you pretty much have to make mother theresa look like a sinner to get a

But hunting rifles/shotguns are an absolute piece of piss to get without a license.
sks 7.62 x 39 's are a dim a dozen in NZ.... just get a big fucker mag of ebay and bingo....basically a ak47

[cowpoos]

Dare I say anything in case I get told to fuck off again......? I like to think everything I say in here I say as if I was in a conversation with someone and would therefore say it to their face. Somehow I don't think a lot of 'keyboard warriors' do the same...:nono:


we love you man...............

[mikey]

and is Muay Thai the brazillian one

is that gareth D for dumbass?

thai for, lets guess, thaistralia, nope doesnt sound right
thai for, lets guess thaxico, nope doesnt sound right,
thai for, lets guess thaikong, nope doesnt sound right
thai for, lets guess thaizil, nope

THAI FOR FUCKING THAILAND DUMBASS

[R6_kid]

is that gareth D for dumbass?

thai for, lets guess, thaistralia, nope doesnt sound right
thai for, lets guess thaxico, nope doesnt sound right,
thai for, lets guess thaikong, nope doesnt sound right
thai for, lets guess thaizil, nope

THAI FOR FUCKING THAILAND DUMBASS

yep, got confused with brazilian ju jitsu...

i hear you're a bright spark though.

[cowpoos]

i hear you're a bright spark though.
yeah he has a PHd in being a smart cunt and slow rider.......

[mikey]

yeah he has a PHd in being a smart cunt and slow rider.......

yeh, agree with both, never claimed ive been fast. but definitly faster than you.

[cowpoos]

yeh, agree with both, never claimed ive been fast. but definitly faster than you.
in your fucking dreams...I can crash better than you to laddie!

[mikey]

nah you cant, my last one was classiest so far, going down seaview somewhere on a private sober road doing wheelies i ended up sliding along the road as fast as the indian driving next to me, my bike went way faster in the wrong lane. i even made eye contact with the indian. nothign against indians. or asians. or women. but there ALL shocking fukn drivers.

[Finn]

yep, got confused with brazilian ju jitsu...


Ju Jitsu was originaly from Jerusilm. In the early days before rifles, men, woman and children were trained in the art of JewDowChop (the old name) to fight off the dirty Arabs. As with everything else the Japs copied it, made it better and called it Ju Jitsu.

[The_Dover]

Ju Jitsu was originaly from Jerusilm. In the early days before rifles, men, woman and children were trained in the art of JewDowChop (the old name) to fight off the dirty Arabs. As with everything else the Japs copied it, made it better and called it Ju Jitsu.


Yeah, maybe Tristan (N4SKIN) could give you some lessons!!

[Finn]

Yeah, maybe Tristan (N4SKIN) could give you some lessons!!

Ich kämpfe nicht Juden!!!

[The_Dover]

Sorry mate, I dont speak hebrew.

[Darkman]

Sorry mate, I dont speak hebrew.

more like German for "I fight no Jews" I think?

[The_Dover]

Another bi-lingual South African?

Sniper honey, where are you.....

[Darkman]

Another bi-lingual South African?

Sniper honey, where are you.....

Yip..another one. Mate ,if you live there, you'll soon learn how to swear in 20 different languages..