View Full Version : Wellington: get 30th of may -Manfeild back on track.
FROSTY
22nd May 2004, 16:26
Ok guys Ive spoken to CHris Costello club prez AMCC.
His advise was to speak to the Victoria club Prez whos name is Barry New
Vic club is on -pH-049043866 Or phone Manfeild promotions directly.
on 063237444 > Its a situation of too many hoon activities in the past.
It needs to be presented in such a way as it is a clearly controlled situation.
Whoever contacts them needs to have it made clear that bikes will be only allowed on the track if up to WOF standard --It would also help if fire safety equipment--Fire extinqushers etc were intended to be supplied--also possibly a crash recovery vehicle--be it a trailer with sand -(to put on the track if there is a spill)and fire equipment on it.
I can't do much up here --so SOMEBODY pull finger and dont let it just happen
FROSTY
22nd May 2004, 18:20
keep in mind guys its not a one off cancellation--its a permanant thing
RiderInBlack
23rd May 2004, 08:09
Central Districts MC Touring Club held a Manfield Fun Day 2/1/2004. It was well run. Bikes were scrutineered, all glass had to be taped, there were medics available and marshells on the corners. You didn't need a race licience, but a bike licience of some sort was needed. Rides were put into speed catagories (slow, medium, fast and racing). Slow and medium were set by a pace bike. The organisers let a rider know if they felt that the rider needed to go into a faster catagory. Riders were warned if they behaved irrasponcibly and band if they continued.
As I said it was well run. Eveybody enjoyed the day (I was stoked, as it was my first time on a track) and only cost $40 for the day. I've have been a bit disappionted that Puke Bike Only Days have not been up to this level (hence why I started this Thread http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=2773 as I feel that it was a matter of time before this happened to Puke). I would be very disappointed (read as serveerly fu*ked off) if Bike Only Days as well run as CDMCTC @ Manfield were no longer be able to be run.
PS: the contact phone no. in the Motorcycle Trader for the CDMCTC Manfield Fun day was Bruce 021 432672. It would be interesting to see how their club feels about the Manfield ruling.
I have also put this in the other Manfield thread http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=2776
RiderInBlack
24th May 2004, 09:32
Are We Just Aparthetic or are people not see's this Tread?
We have been discuss and moaning about all sorts of things on this site, but here is an issue we should care about and possibly do something about.
We've discussed using this site pollicial for the benefit of the biker comunity, why aren't we using it here?
Please read and comment on these threads related to this issue as well:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=2776
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=2773
White trash
24th May 2004, 10:16
Central Districts MC Touring Club held a Manfield Fun Day 2/1/2004.
RIB, it wont affect clubs hiring the track for open days, it just means Manfeild wont run open days themselves.
In a way, I can see their point. I have left a message for them to call me back and hopefully something will come of it.
RiderInBlack
24th May 2004, 12:13
RIB, it wont affect clubs hiring the track for open days, it just means Manfeild wont run open days themselves.
In a way, I can see their point. I have left a message for them to call me back and hopefully something will come of it.
Shit, I'm glad to hear that as that would have been a real disaster for Motorcycle Sport. But you can see the concern I had. There is not enough safety precautions taken on Open Track Days (well, not from what I have seen at Puke), and I feel that if any form of Open Days are going to remain, we as users are going to have to try and implement some before we loose the access to racing tracks for non-racing events altogether.
This morning I called Bruce at Central Districts M/c Club. He wasn't aware of change and will inform the club. The next CDMC track day is not until Janyuary 2005. The problem is to hire the track ourselves will cost about $2000 and we/someone has to pay up rain or shine!
I am waiting to hear back from Manfeild promotions myself in reponse to my email (Sat. 22nd). They have not specifically said that bikes are ruled out in their News bulletin, only that due to safety issues with the cars they must tighten the rules.... Talking with Bruce we may have a hope if we tell them that we can front up with x number of bikes at their new "clubman car sprint days" so can we have some track time as well. Maybe we can police ourselves i.e. WOF checks, safe clothing (no jeans). I spoke with Barry New, Victoria M/c Club Pressie and all their Vic. days are for racing registered riders only
Please anyone reading this send an email to Manfeild promotions (its on their manfeild.co.nz site) pleading for some time for ordinary road bikes. (sorry folks, road bikes are far from ordinary)
MD
Deano
24th May 2004, 16:40
This morning I called Bruce at Central Districts M/c Club. He wasn't aware of change and will inform the club. The next CDMC track day is not until Janyuary 2005. The problem is to hire the track ourselves will cost about $2000 and we/someone has to pay up rain or shine!
I am waiting to hear back from Manfeild promotions myself in reponse to my email (Sat. 22nd). They have not specifically said that bikes are ruled out in their News bulletin, only that due to safety issues with the cars they must tighten the rules.... Talking with Bruce we may have a hope if we tell them that we can front up with x number of bikes at their new "clubman car sprint days" so can we have some track time as well. Maybe we can police ourselves i.e. WOF checks, safe clothing (no jeans). I spoke with Barry New, Victoria M/c Club Pressie and all their Vic. days are for racing registered riders only
Please anyone reading this send an email to Manfeild promotions (its on their manfeild.co.nz site) pleading for some time for ordinary road bikes. (sorry folks, road bikes are far from ordinary)
MD
Im waiting to hear a reply to my e-mail with more specific details.
Agree with Mark about the hiring ourselves - if it rains who would still attend -no refunds ?
We would need to nut out several aspects before hiring ourselves for a group anyway, such as track safety and liability should things go wrong.
Has anyone else been to a 'test' day, or thought about organising a group to go up for 'test' days ?
Cycosis and I have - not sure who was responsible for marshalls, ambo's etc though ?
FROSTY
24th May 2004, 17:06
I think the same would apply as at Pukie.
costs are 1) track hire--non refundable deposit
2)public liability insurance,
3) ambulance staff
4)fire safety equipment.
I think if 50 guys turned up the cost per rider would be $70 each there about
I think worth finding out is how big a deppy would be needed
FROSTY
25th May 2004, 16:33
only 70 bucks guys--why not make it an official KB event :soon:
White trash
25th May 2004, 17:10
Just got this e-mail from Manfeild Promotions. I'm going further.
Hello to you all and thank you for your emails regarding the re-structured Public Open Days, now known as Manfeild Open ClubSport Days.
Firstly, the decision to re-structure these days was not an easy one, and as stated it did come about because of safety issues. If a major accident occurred, especially if fatal, we the organisers and owners of the circuit would face legal charges. Under the ClubSport rules a permit will be issued from Motorsport New Zealand, and the day would run under the ClubSport Rules in the Motorsport manual, but this only covers cars not motorcycles. So we will be pursuing Motorcycling New Zealand on this issue as it is our endeavour to incorporate motorcycles in the new look Manfeild ClubSsport Days.
We value your custom, and very much enjoy having you here at Manfeild, so please bear with us as we work through the behind the scenes paperwork.
Many thanks
Stephanie Carr
Manfeild Promotions
PO Box 1959
PALMERSTON NORTH
P: 06 323 7444
F: 06 323 2422
E: info@manfeild.co.nz
FROSTY
25th May 2004, 17:13
YEEEHAAA --so it aint so bad --ok I see their point and they are working on the situation. :sunny: :sunny: :not: :not: :not:
I guess that will mean everyone will need to have a race licence to go out?
Busted
25th May 2004, 17:46
Following a call from a member of this forum yesterday regarding Manfield open days. Im not surprised that they have changed the structure of there open days. Its about time in all honesty.
Im the prsident of CDMTCI and like to thankyou for the positive comments about our clubs open day. Its a pleasure to run it when we get positve feed back.
Managment of Manfield has recently changed hands. e have unfortunetly lost out annual open day date of Jan 2nd (to the scouts believe it or not!). But we are still looking to run 2 days next year. Sat 15 Jan and Sat 26 Feb.
In regards to Manfields current days it would be sux if we still couldnt have time for bikes at these days. In regards to safety equipment for the day this should be upto the organisers to supply ... we supply ours. I live 15 mins from the track and can supply a trailer if required. I am only a call away. If I cant get it there I can organise some one in the club to come to the aid of a fellow motorcyclist.
We have a club run on Saturday with a feed that night. I will try to round up some bodies to attend on Sunday so as to push our case to the organisers to let bikes out there ... we werent the problem after all!
Cheers Busted.
wkid_one
25th May 2004, 18:10
Just got this e-mail from Manfeild Promotions. I'm going further.
Hello to you all and thank you for your emails regarding the re-structured Public Open Days, now known as Manfeild Open ClubSport Days.
Firstly, the decision to re-structure these days was not an easy one, and as stated it did come about because of safety issues. If a major accident occurred, especially if fatal, we the organisers and owners of the circuit would face legal charges. Under the ClubSport rules a permit will be issued from Motorsport New Zealand, and the day would run under the ClubSport Rules in the Motorsport manual, but this only covers cars not motorcycles. So we will be pursuing Motorcycling New Zealand on this issue as it is our endeavour to incorporate motorcycles in the new look Manfeild ClubSsport Days.
We value your custom, and very much enjoy having you here at Manfeild, so please bear with us as we work through the behind the scenes paperwork.
Many thanks
Stephanie Carr
Manfeild Promotions
PO Box 1959
PALMERSTON NORTH
P: 06 323 7444
F: 06 323 2422
E: info@manfeild.co.nz
Surely this is a simple matter of producing a legal disclaimer the waives their obligation as an 'event provider'. Essentially - we sign a waiver saying our 'fee' allows us access to the course and we have no right of recourse to the course owners or management in the event of accident or injury blah blah'.
Simple as that.
Deano
25th May 2004, 19:37
I got the same reply.
I have asked a further question about the Test days, and whether we can rock on up for these on road registered bikes. Used to be able to under previous management, but we'll see I guess. Be interesting to see the structure for the proposed Motorcycle Clubsport Days....if it goes ahead....
Surely this is a simple matter of producing a legal disclaimer the waives their obligation as an 'event provider'. ...
Didn't work for that Lass who run the Chch Port hill cycle race- thats what's behind this change and I can't argue with the Organisers fear. Someone dies, the Police charge them irrespective of any disclaimers. What was she eventually charged with, involuntary manslaughter or criminal nuisance or negligence? They even cancelled Santa parades after that case so high speed motor vehicles aint got a show.
Lets go crazy and build race spec. Santa parade floats, with all the decorations and colourful lights and do stunts and sprints up and down city streets. Or is that what Sue-bar-roos do?
MD
ps- anyway from the sounds of it we have some hope of getting road bikes back on track. :2thumbsup
FROSTY
25th May 2004, 20:31
Following a call from a member of this forum yesterday regarding Manfield open days. Im not surprised that they have changed the structure of there open days. Its about time in all honesty.
Im the prsident of CDMTCI and like to thankyou for the positive comments about our clubs open day. Its a pleasure to run it when we get positve feed back.
Managment of Manfield has recently changed hands. e have unfortunetly lost out annual open day date of Jan 2nd (to the scouts believe it or not!). But we are still looking to run 2 days next year. Sat 15 Jan and Sat 26 Feb.
In regards to Manfields current days it would be sux if we still couldnt have time for bikes at these days. In regards to safety equipment for the day this should be upto the organisers to supply ... we supply ours. I live 15 mins from the track and can supply a trailer if required. I am only a call away. If I cant get it there I can organise some one in the club to come to the aid of a fellow motorcyclist.
We have a club run on Saturday with a feed that night. I will try to round up some bodies to attend on Sunday so as to push our case to the organisers to let bikes out there ... we werent the problem after all!
Cheers Busted.
Would it be possible to organise something like the ride days up here in auckland. Run under club licence It is concidered to be a rider training day
its grades speeds and skill levels on the track.
All bikes are scrutineered to be sure theyre at least up to WOF level
Im pretty sure riding gear is sussed out too
Deano
27th May 2004, 07:43
Well, it looks like anyone able to take the odd Friday off work can still have fun - here is my query and reply from Manfeild regarding test days.
My Query - "It is pleasing to hear of your plans to accomodate an open day for motorcycles in the future. Im sure everyone will be happy to hear that.
Could you please advise of the situation with Test days at Manfeild ?
Myself and a friend have both attended a test day on road registered motorcycles - will we be able to continue to do this, and if so, would it matter if a group of road registered motorcycles turned up on a test day ?"
Answer - "test days are fine...you can come to these as well as long as you understand there is likely to be competition bikes here as well and you will be on the track with them at the same time.
Obviously you need to be kitted out with leathers etc.
Cheers
Steve"
As I said before, Cycosis and I were the only bikes there on one of the track days. A larger group of bikes would be much more fun, a long as they weren't too many race bikes testing at the same time. For example, when there are no races the weekend after a test day.
Who would be keen for a test day ?
White trash
27th May 2004, 07:47
Oh, oh! Pick me *hand up*
Deano, why dont you pick a date in about three weeks in advance, start a thread and we'll get our shit sorted.
That way, if it's shitty weather or anything, we'll all have a Friday off to go to the pub or go karting or whatever.
Racey Rider
27th May 2004, 08:04
I'ld propabley come down for a test day gathering.
Test days work better for me (having a race bike), as I wasn't allowed to participate in the day you were last organzing, on a race bike.
FzerozeroT
27th May 2004, 09:54
Didn't work for that Lass who run the Chch Port hill cycle race- thats what's behind this change and I can't argue with the Organisers fear.
Sorry, bit late joining this thread :o When you sign the disclaimer there is a bit too which says something like - This disclaimer does not waive any rights or responsibilities given under NZ law.
Can anyone point me/us to a list/person who has the dates of test days? and what are the charges for them?
The bit about Motorcycling NZ covering at a test day, every motorcycle club gets 4? track days a year that are covered by Insurance with no extra fees, I was thinking about this in Hami, whether the Kart club would hire out their track. does anyone know if this has happened?
White trash
27th May 2004, 10:18
Sorry, bit late joining this thread :o When you sign the disclaimer there is a bit too which says something like - This disclaimer does not waive any rights or responsibilities given under NZ law.
Can anyone point me/us to a list/person who has the dates of test days? and what are the charges for them?
The bit about Motorcycling NZ covering at a test day, every motorcycle club gets 4? track days a year that are covered by Insurance with no extra fees, I was thinking about this in Hami, whether the Kart club would hire out their track. does anyone know if this has happened?
www.manfeild.co.nz has the test dates. $80 for the day is the cost.
Kart clubs are normally not receptive to bikes on the track as binning it damages the track.
Deano
27th May 2004, 12:37
Event: Test Day
Date(s): Friday 4th June 2004
Event Details: Test Day for competition cars and motorcycles.
9am - 4pm
$80 (Winter Rate) full day - no half day charges
50% discount for Manawatu Car Club - remember to bring your club card
Please contact the Manfeild Office for more information.
Not a lot of notice I know - but who would be keen for the 4th June ?
The next one after that is 25 June....
Racey Rider
27th May 2004, 13:18
25th would suit me better, as I'ld be down there for the 26th race day anyway. But don't worry about me, you pick a day that suits you. :cool:
White trash
27th May 2004, 13:23
Event: Test Day
Date(s): Friday 4th June 2004
Event Details: Test Day for competition cars and motorcycles.
9am - 4pm
$80 (Winter Rate) full day - no half day charges
50% discount for Manawatu Car Club - remember to bring your club card
Please contact the Manfeild Office for more information.
Not a lot of notice I know - but who would be keen for the 4th June ?
The next one after that is 25 June....
4th of June? I'm there brother.
Start another thread so people don't miss it. Bugger it, I'm bored, I'll do it now.
Beemer
27th May 2004, 14:29
Obviously none of you read the papers, because the open day at Manfeild on Sunday has been cancelled - so don't bother turning up as there will be no bikes and no cars either. The Manawatu Car Club was holding it and apparently decided to change the event to a sprint event (two cars racing side by side), and for that they need to have strict safety regulations that they mustn't have been able to comply with, hence the cancellation.
It shouldn't affect our CDMTC open days as they are run under different conditions and we only allow bikes, not cars. It's the way things are going and everyone will have to have MNZ permits and follow all the safety recommendations. It's about time too, I've seen more than one driver lose it at an open day and it has unfortunately spoilt it for the rest of us.
I'll be following up the Manfeild car story that was in the Manawatu Evening Standard 26 May with an angle on the bike side of things and how it will affect us, so keep an eye out for it.
Deano
27th May 2004, 14:33
Obviously none of you read the papers, because the open day at Manfeild on Sunday has been cancelled - so don't bother turning up as there will be no bikes and no cars either. The Manawatu Car Club was holding it and apparently decided to change the event to a sprint event (two cars racing side by side), and for that they need to have strict safety regulations that they mustn't have been able to comply with, hence the cancellation.
It shouldn't affect our CDMTC open days as they are run under different conditions and we only allow bikes, not cars. It's the way things are going and everyone will have to have MNZ permits and follow all the safety recommendations. It's about time too, I've seen more than one driver lose it at an open day and it has unfortunately spoilt it for the rest of us.
I'll be following up the Manfeild car story that was in the Manawatu Evening Standard 26 May with an angle on the bike side of things and how it will affect us, so keep an eye out for it.
Mate, I think you need to read the latest posts - we are aware the open days have been cancelled and have moved on to bigger an brighter things - TEST days.
Beemer
27th May 2004, 14:48
Pardon moi, Deano, I did not read every post that was on this forum so I had not realised everyone was aware of it - I was just trying to be helpful. Must remember not to do this in future!
White trash
27th May 2004, 15:25
Pardon moi, Deano, I did not read every post that was on this forum so I had not realised everyone was aware of it - I was just trying to be helpful. Must remember not to do this in future!
Never be helpfull! I coulda told you that. you just end up getting mugged or shat on or something :lol:
You keen to come out on a test day though, Beemer?
Beemer
27th May 2004, 15:43
Thanks White Trash, I should know by now to sit down and shut up, I get told to often enough :rolleyes:
Got rellies coming down for Queen's Birthday weekend so may have to give the test day a miss. But if the weather's fine, you never know, me and the other half might just dust off the bikes and head up to Manfeild for a squiz. It will mean relicensing the bike though - it runs out on the 31st, just my luck! :argh:
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