Whales - Who Cares?

[Winston001]

I'm not a fan of whaling. In fact I'm not keen on any living creature being killed .................but meat pies and steak are fundamental rights!:yes:

So we have NZ on the world stage beating up the Japanese, Norwegians, Greenlanders etc for wanting to kill and eat whales. At the same time New Zealanders are killing lambs by the thousands per day, and cattle, pigs and deer by the hundreds/day. Bit of a double standard here.

Except for vegetarians, we all eat meat and thus animals have to die. So why are whales any different?

[Sniper]

Apparently whales are endangered or something and they are worried about getting too close to NZ and harpooning a Kiwi chick.

[SimJen]

Whales are endangered, plus they also kill lots of other endangered creatures during the whaling etc.
The Japs are supposedly killing them for research.....but they end up in restaurants.
People can't just kill shit for no reason, sure they are eating it but its not like they would starve without it (its a high class food for rich bastards).
Our Lambs, cattle etc are all farmed for the purpose of food.
Personally I think people should be Limpet mining the ships.....I would.

[Swoop]

Whales eat too many fish, and are depleting the oceans so must be killed. (according to the reasons given to re-start commercial whaling).

Also they fart.


Japanese research over the last 20 years or so has concluded "They are YUMMY".
More research to come.

[SimJen]

They mostly eat Plankton and Krill.
"The blue whale, which can reach lengths of 100 feet, was nearly hunted to extinction before it received international protection.
It's numbers have dropped from about 186,000 prior to human exploitation, to an estimated 7,000 to 8,000 "true blues" worldwide today."

[chickenfunkstar]

I don't really see it as a double standard. Lambs pigs cattle and deer aren't endangered species which are in danger of becoming extinct. Whales however possibly are.

I'm not sure why Japan is so keen to het back into whaling straight away, especially when the jury still seems to be out on how many whales there actually are. Why not leave it a few years and then there will be even more whales available to catch?

[placidfemme]

I'm not a fan of whaling. In fact I'm not keen on any living creature being killed .................but meat pies and steak are fundamental rights!:yes:

So we have NZ on the world stage beating up the Japanese, Norwegians, Greenlanders etc for wanting to kill and eat whales. At the same time New Zealanders are killing lambs by the thousands per day, and cattle, pigs and deer by the hundreds/day. Bit of a double standard here.

Except for vegetarians, we all eat meat and thus animals have to die. So why are whales any different?

Because sheep, lambs, cattle, pigs, chickens and so forth arn't beomcing endangered.... there are millions of those animals throughout the world...

When you look at some whale spieces... there are less than 100000... thats not a lot... and at the rate those japs are killing them off, in 15 years there won't be any left... and that is a terrible loss to the world, they really are kewl animals...

[Wolf]

Because no one is actually farming/breeding the whales and ensuring there is enough?

We slaughter shit-loads of sheep and cattle, true, but we have farms where we breed shit-loads of sheep and cattle. the farmers move said stock into fresh fields, get them checked by vets, dry feed in winter and generally take all care to ensure a large number of healthy stock survive to be slaughtered.

Commercial whaling involves running about killing animals that in some cases are on the verge of extinction without ensuring enough are left to breed and repopulate for later years. The companies have no interest in the future, only the money they get now, so it is no skin off their noses if they obliterate every last whale on the planet.

"But wait," you say, "if they do, they'll go out of business." They would if whales were their only interest but they, like all large corporations have their fingers in multiple pies - some not remotely connected with whaling - and when the whales are all gone the only difference for them is they will no longer have to maintain the whaling fleet or pay the whalers or all those involved in processing whale products because they will be all unemployed.

The company, however, will survive and continue to make money from its other interests.

When the Japs and the Norwegians have killed every last whale, the public of those nations will finally cry and bemoan the fact that they are all gone and they can't get any more whale products.

On that day I will say: "Serves you all right!"

What it boils down to is this:

Humankind destabilises the ecology of this planet willy-nilly - rendering some species extinct, polluting the environment, upsetting the balance of prey and predator and so on.

One day humankind will destabilise the ecology to the point that the planet is no longer habitable to humans (and probably most other animals that manage to survive that far) and the human race will die. That will not be the "End of The World"(tm), merely the end of human life, the end of our reign as dominant species. "God's own image" wiped out.

Out of the ravaged landscape a new dominant lifeform will rise just as the mammals rose after the last extinction and previous species have risen out of the destruction of other lifeforms throughout this planet's history. This world has seen the demise of far more impressive creatures than us and has continued on.

So it doesn't matter what we do, render the whales extinct, pollute our land, air and oceans to the point they cannot sustain us, destroy the ozone layer, even go to all-out nuclear war and spray the landscape with the radioactive ash of our cities - who gives a fuck. A few million years and the landscape will have altered again through wind, rain and surf and will be an idyllic paradise for the creatures who rise up after we're gone and if they find any fiossilised remains of us all they will find are the long dead bones of arrogant apes that got too greedy.

Whatever the lifeform is, it will believe itself to have been made in "God's own image" and will most likely be as stupid, arrogant and careless as us - like the Earth cares, it'll survive them, too, and they too will be replaced when they wipe themselves out - if "Nature" doesn't do it to them before they get the chance.

[Karma]

Wales... who really cares??

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Not me!

[The_Dover]

Yeah, but I guarantee that if you got a room full of stoned hippies and tree hugging environmentallist in a room and put a plate of japanese delicacies in front of them that they'd all be gone before the next doob rotation had gone around.

There's no fighting the munch.

[SimJen]

Wales... who really cares??

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Not me!

Yeah everyone hates a Druid ;)
Come home to a real fire, buy a house in Wales.

I grew up close to Wales, beautiful countryside in that area.

[James Deuce]

There's fuck all large cetaceans left. Their populations have returned to about a 10th of what they were before large scale whaling started.

There is no need to farm them. None. There is no need to hunt them. Japan, Norway, and Iceland have long replaced the dietary requirements of whale meat with other produce. It is purely and utterly a delicacy. The desire to hunt them is based on cultural resonance, nothing to do with common sense, market values, or need.

The large baleen whales are an important part of ocean ecology. The ramifications of their reduced numbers may include the plagues of poisonous coastal algal blooms.

Next bike will be German or Italian. Next Car will be European. Little wee protest registered. I'll feel good, but the 1000 or so Blue whales left will all be dead in 12 months. There's only 10,000 Humpbacks left. A flotilla of factories and whalers can harvest 1000 a year with ease. So the Japs can eat Whale Burgers and the cosmetics industry can make perfuem.

[RantyDave]

I care. Whales are intelligent social animals that spend their fifty or so years ambling through the oceans gently eating krill and making curious noises that can (apparently) be heard up to 3000 km away.

Here, check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whale_song

They're huge, fascinating, and despite the whaling ban are still endangered. Are we willing to completely kill off this 'closest thing to aliens' lifeform purely for vast quantities of sushi? If you're Japanese or Norwegian the answer appears to be yes, so the Japanese and the Norwegians, as far as I'm concerned, can get fucked.

But not as much as the Solomon Islands. Here we are, sending troops over to stop the palce from collapsing into utter chaos and the bastards don't even have the decency to vote our way when it comes to whaling. I say pull out. Tell them to go get help from their Japanese friends 'cos we don't give a shit any more. Arseholes.

Dave

[Ixion]

Does this mean that Mr Biff is an endangered species?

Don't like killing anything without need. Less so when the anythings rare and maybe will be gone soon, forever.

Don't see the need to kill whales. In the C19, when there were heaps of them , it was different.

If the Japs are so short of meat protein why not eat each other. Doesn't seem to be any shortage of that meat.

Don't agree with greenpeace or the hippies on much, but I do on this one.

[MSTRS]

[LEFT] There is no need to hunt them. Japan, Norway, and Iceland have long replaced the dietary requirements of whale meat with other produce. It is purely and utterly a delicacy.
In fact, did I not hear on the news last night that Japan has a whalemeat mountain, due to the general public not wanting the stuff, and the owners of said mountain will use it for pet food??

[ManDownUnder]

Whales ...fart.

TAX THE BASTARDS!

[Sniper]

In fact, did I not hear on the news last night that Japan has a whalemeat mountain, due to the general public not wanting the stuff, and the owners of said mountain will use it for pet food??
Aparrently it was 5000tonnes stockpiled. Why hunt if you have reserves?

[Finn]

Basically it's in their culture to eat Whale meat. Simple. I don't see NZers creating such noise about some of our own cultural problems right here in our own country.

I've eaten whale meat before. It's very tasty but it takes a while to get through an average sized fillet.

[Flatcap]

The only reason not to kill whales is to provide the people in Kaikoura gainful employment. There is no other reason - none of us will come across a whale in our daily activity so if they disappear it will make very little difference

[oldrider]

I'm not a fan of whaling. In fact I'm not keen on any living creature being killed .................but meat pies and steak are fundamental rights!:yes:

So we have NZ on the world stage beating up the Japanese, Norwegians, Greenlanders etc for wanting to kill and eat whales. At the same time New Zealanders are killing lambs by the thousands per day, and cattle, pigs and deer by the hundreds/day. Bit of a double standard here.

Except for vegetarians, we all eat meat and thus animals have to die. So why are whales any different?
The thing that really pisses me off in NZ about whales and the attitude of whale savers especially is.

When whales beach themselves and despite all of the best efforts to save them, they come back and die,

We dig big holes and waste them by burying the bloody things!

That has to be the silliest behaviour of them all, to me they are just bloody stupid greeny hypocrites.

Maybe I am wrong, enlighten me why this should be the correct practice of the day! :hitcher: John.

[placidfemme]

The only reason not to kill whales is to provide the people in Kaikoura gainful employment. There is no other reason - none of us will come across a whale in our daily activity so if they disappear it will make very little difference

You can see whales from time to time, I've sat on Mairangi Bay Beach, and Long Bay Beach and seen a whale at each place. Ok I only saw one at each place... once only. But still would be shit to know they are all gone, and you won't be able to see them anymore other than in Museums and shit...

Also look at NZ's tourisim industry, there are a lot of "Whale watchers" that pay semi-good money to sit a few meters away from them and just watch... The Maoris have a cultural history with whales too, so it would be a loss to them.

It would make a big difference without them.

[Wasp]

Well im against the whole issue... sort of

I figure they total number of whales allowed to be hunted in a week should be half to 3/4 of the number of the average amount of whales born in a week.

[Finn]

You can see whales from time to time, I've sat on Mairangi Bay Beach, and Long Bay Beach and seen a whale at each place.

Yeah those large chicks must have a lot of courage putting a bikini on.

[Flatcap]

You can see whales from time to time, I've sat on Mairangi Bay Beach, and Long Bay Beach and seen a whale at each place. Ok I only saw one at each place... once only. But still would be shit to know they are all gone, and you won't be able to see them anymore other than in Museums and shit...

Also look at NZ's tourisim industry, there are a lot of "Whale watchers" that pay semi-good money to sit a few meters away from them and just watch... The Maoris have a cultural history with whales too, so it would be a loss to them.

It would make a big difference without them.


Agree with the Whale watching tour angle, don't really care myself if they disappear. Mind you, I am a total landlubber and wouldn't really care if all sea creatures disappeared

[placidfemme]

Yeah those large chicks must have a lot of courage putting a bikini on.

lol theres a LOT more of those whales around then the ones that swim in the ocean... the japs should hunt them instead...

[Lou Girardin]

The younger Jap generation doesn't eat whale meat, only the older folks who were fed it at school.
It's like us old farts having a taste for curdled milk.
There's 50,000 tonnes of frozen whale meat stockpiled in Japan now.
This issue has gone beyond whether to hunt whales or not for Japan, it's become a matter of 'face'. They won't back down until we can give them an easy out.

The best quote about whaling is from "Me, myself and Irene"
"She'll be eating blubber as soon as I can free willie."

[placidfemme]

Agree with the Whale watching tour angle, don't really care myself if they disappear. Mind you, I am a total landlubber and wouldn't really care if all sea creatures disappeared

I'm not much of a water person either. I used to love fishing back home, but havn't been fishing once here in NZ. Don't go to beaches much or eat seafood (no comments), so other than the ocean ecology being ruined without them (for whatever reasons), I wouldn't miss them either. But we're talking about the biggest mammel (sp) on earth, an animal that scientists still havn't quite figured out (by following, watching, studying... not hunting, disecting and killing them).

By saying they don't affect your life, so you don't care is like saying well I've never seen an elephant or rhino, so I don't care if poachers kill them all, or lions or any wild animal for that matter. They are a part of this planet, some of them have been around longer than us, it was thier home first and we fucked it for them.

But the thing that gets me the most, is that my kids, or my kids children, will never see these animals alive.

At the rate the world is going the only animals that will survive after another 50 years or so will be the ones we produce to eat. And that will be a very sad day.

[Karma]

Where's the fun in hunting whales? It's not like they present a challenge at all... oh look, it's a huge whale.

Why not try hunting something harder instead, like pilchards?

[The_Dover]

Why not try hunting something harder instead, like pilchards?

Where's the challenge in hunting canned fish?

[Swoop]

There's 50,000 tonnes of frozen whale meat stockpiled in Japan now.
This issue has gone beyond whether to hunt whales or not for Japan, it's become a matter of 'face'. They won't back down until we can give them an easy out."

The maoris own them all. Claimed them under the treaty. Japs touch them and they are had up for theft.

Done.

Next world problem for Swoop to solve?:innocent:

[Wolf]

They won't back down until we can give them an easy out.
If that's all they want:

"I hereby give all Japanese permission to commit honourable Seppuku"

There's their out. I hope they take it.

[Paul in NZ]

The thing that really pisses me off in NZ about whales and the attitude of whale savers especially is.

When whales beach themselves and despite all of the best efforts to save them, they come back and die,

We dig big holes and waste them by burying the bloody things!

That has to be the silliest behaviour of them all, to me they are just bloody stupid greeny hypocrites.

Maybe I am wrong, enlighten me why this should be the correct practice of the day! :hitcher: John.

Hmmm.. Not too sure I'd want to eat something that just up and died without knowing why it died.. I don't remember seeing a special on 'unexpectedly dead house cow' at the butchers - probably for similar reasons.

Personally - this is a crock of crap. The world currently generates enough food to feed us yet it will be a poorer place without the great apes, the elephants and whales etc. I have no real intellectual reason for this other than knowing once they are gone, they are gone forever and I feel 'good' when I see them.. besides, what would national geographic report on without the big beasties...

[The_Dover]

I say if they can kill them with their bare hands then they can hunt them.

How's that for a solution?

[Flatcap]

By saying they don't affect your life, so you don't care is like saying well I've never seen an elephant or rhino, so I don't care if poachers kill them all, or lions or any wild animal for that matter. They are a part of this planet, some of them have been around longer than us, it was thier home first and we fucked it for them.
.


That pretty much sums up my view of wild animals - they are not really much use to us so they may as well disappear so there is more room for useful animals like cattle and sheep.

[Wolf]

besides, what would national geographic report on without the big beasties...
All the Japanese, Norwegians and Icelanders moaning that "Nature" has put a permanent moratorium on whaling on account of there being none left to hunt - inconsiderate bitch, Nature, making whales take so long to breed that they can't keep pace with Japanese, Icelandic and Norwegian "requirements".

They've wiped them all out in "their" waters and want to come into our territory and kill the last of them.

[Lou Girardin]

Don't eat seafood (no comments),

Pleeeaase just one comment, pretty pleeeeaaase.

[Hitcher]

This issue, unfortunately, has little to do with whaling. And therein lies the problem. The underlying issue here is sovereignty -- the ability of a nation or state to do what it likes; such as hunting whales if they feel like it (or invading nations you don't like).

Japan has shamelessly played the sovereignty card, garnering support from a whole host of "Wear The Fox Hat" nations who, under International Whaling Commission rules, have exactly the same voting rights as the big nations.

This is too hard a truck to back up. By voting with Japan, smaller nations are able to stick it to The Man. It will take shit loads of aid and other "considerations" over many years to make them change their minds.

Politics. You've got to love it. Unless you're a whale...

[Edbear]

My concerns are twofold. HAve you thought about the way they are killed? A lingering, painful death to an intelligent and gentle creature. I think the record was 8 1/2 hrs for a Blue while it towed the 90ft catcher boat at 1 1/2knots while the catcher boat had its engines in full reverse. Makes one sick, watching such awesome and beautiful animals being harpooned! At least for farm animals there are very strict conditions re: potential suffering in death.

Secondly, even if there was a need for the meat, and it's been clear for decades that there isn't, previous postings pointing out that the hunters/consumers do not care about extinction are in line with man's lack of concern for the environment in general. A few weeks ago it was on the news that so far, man has obliterated 90% of the world's rainforests and is cutting down the equivalent of two football fields per second! No-one is going to stop that, either, until they are all gone. WHo cut down the last tree on Easter Island? (Who killed the last Moa?) An Earth Scientist stated 20 years ago, that if this doesn't stop, within our lifetime, all or most air-breathing life on Earth will become extinct. Some Scientists are now saying that it is already too late to save the planet, that the damage has gone beyond the point of no return. We are not insulated down this end of the world. I can't remember at the moment but it was also pointed out how many species are becoming extinct each year. Yeah, I care!

[Paul in NZ]

All the Japanese, Norwegians and Icelanders moaning that "Nature" has put a permanent moratorium on whaling on account of there being none left to hunt - inconsiderate bitch, Nature, making whales take so long to breed that they can't keep pace with Japanese, Icelandic and Norwegian "requirements".

They've wiped them all out in "their" waters and want to come into our territory and kill the last of them.

Well I think that we ought to arm the whales and make it a fair fight....

[SimJen]

That pretty much sums up my view of wild animals - they are not really much use to us so they may as well disappear so there is more room for useful animals like cattle and sheep.

Some people are like wild animals.....who cares if they live or die, hopefully you will never be classed as one of these people, or put in a situation where someone makes the decision for you. :shutup:

[placidfemme]

Pleeeaase just one comment, pretty pleeeeaaase.

lol... I eat fish (and shark) shaped jelly lollies if that counts :shutup:

[Wolf]

Well I think that we ought to arm the whales and make it a fair fight....
I'll be first in line to fit titanium reinforced barbs on Narwhal horns if we could convince them to attack the whalers...

I like The Dover's idea - they have to kill them by hand... Watch it turn into a game of "Who can hold their breath the longest".

[Winston001]

Pleeeaase just one comment, pretty pleeeeaaase.

There were two lesbians in a fish shop............................

[placidfemme]

There were two lesbians in a fish shop............................

Shame... you guys must know some really skanky women if they smell like fish... pick them up on K Rd did you?

[HDTboy]

sAVE THE WHALES, HARPOON A FAT BITCH!!!

[Winston001]

So - people do care. Lets be rational about this:

Environmentalists - farming sheep is totally artificial. Les mouton much prefer the arid lands of Spain and Portugal to the wet boggy paddocks of NZ. We've cleared out the bush, thus permanently harming our natural environment - but that's ok apparently, because that lets us kill thousands of sheep. No talk of trying to recover that environment.

Scarcity - if I pop out to Oreti beach to get a feed of toheroa, I'm in trouble. Same if I pot that nice wood pigeon in Queens Park. But if the local tangata whenua do it - that's ok. Quite lawful. We accept that.

So if the Japanese have a cultural preference for whales instead of toheroa and wood pigeons (both scarce) why shouldn't they be allowed to hunt them?

[SPman]

I hate wild animals - thats why I went bush in Aussie - too many fecking people in NZ, fecking up the environment....

People destroy the natural habitat of a planet that bred and nurtures them, at their own and everyone elses peril. We are well on our way to destroying the oceans - turning them into giant cesspools, devoid of much of the life that sustains the very cycle of life.
The japs have been harpooning ,Blue,Right, Humpback, Sei and any other whale that they can find for years, regardless of moratorium and species specific quotas - so whats new. Im with OAB - should be going out there and torpedoing a few fucking factory ships!
Saving fucking face - mans ego to the fore once again - rather dead than concede the fact that they could be wrong - fuckheads!

[Wolf]

ASome Scientists are now saying that it is already too late to save the planet, that the damage has gone beyond the point of no return.
Psh! The planet is fine, it needs no saving. It'll be around long after we've followed the dinosaurs and all the species that we made extinct. It will bring forth new species to exploit the oil that was once our bodies and to mine the strange deposits of iron hydroxide and hydrocarbons that dot the landscape (usually salted with other metal ores and coal)*, refining the polymerised gunk into useful chemicals and refining the iron hydroxide and other ores into metal.

The simple form of life that thrived in our methane and ammonia atmosphere polluted themselves nearly out of existence with a poisonous gunk we call oxygen and lost their place as dominant lifeform. That's just one of many mass extinctions this planet has seen - some through overpopulation, some through suspected comet strike - ours won't be the last mass extinction on this planet. Earth is indifferent to us as a species, there are lots more variations on this "life" thing to play out.



*The quicker on the uptake will have already worked out that I'm referring to what a landfill of assorted metal and wooden junk and discarded plastic is likely to look like a few million years down the track.

[placidfemme]

Im with OAB - should be going out there and torpedoing a few fucking factory ships!
Saving fucking face - mans ego to the fore once again - rather dead than concede the fact that they could be wrong - fuckheads!

I agree with that. Sink thier ships and fuck them. But that would cause even more of an outcry then the whole whale issue... because now we are talking 'human' lives... That greenpeace boat that rammed the whale ship a while back... even the NZ government condemed them... I say good on them... next time do a better job then just dent the boat... rip a goddamn hole in it and sink the thing...

[James Deuce]

So - people do care. Lets be rational about this:

Environmentalists - farming sheep is totally artificial. Les mouton much prefer the arid lands of Spain and Portugal to the wet boggy paddocks of NZ. We've cleared out the bush, thus permanently harming our natural environment - but that's ok apparently, because that lets us kill thousands of sheep. No talk of trying to recover that environment.

Scarcity - if I pop out to Oreti beach to get a feed of toheroa, I'm in trouble. Same if I pot that nice wood pigeon in Queens Park. But if the local tangata whenua do it - that's ok. Quite lawful. We accept that.

So if the Japanese have a cultural preference for whales instead of toheroa and wood pigeons (both scarce) why shouldn't they be allowed to hunt them?

As much as it galls some people, Maori HAVE learned from the past and are actively espousing managing renewable resource. You don't do that with Factory ships and explosive harpoons. Even Maori Fisheries using modern boats are trying to give overfished beds a break, and you'll notice that fish that used to be thought of as cat food has become a table fish, like Hoki and Trevali.

Japan, Norway and Iceland are free to hunt Whale using traditional methods in my book. Wind and man powered ships and boats, no steam catapults, no floating rendering plants. You search for your Blue for a month, you make your kill, and then you spend a couple of weeks towing the carcass behind your 4 master. Even then the kill rate is too high to sustain Blues as a species, thanks to females giving birth to 1 calf every three years.

[placidfemme]

thanks to females giving birth to 1 calf every three months.

If thats acurate thats even less than I thought :(

[Pwalo]

Even then the kill rate is too high to sustain Blues as a species, thanks to females giving birth to 1 calf every three months.

Are you sure about that Jim? That's a mighty short gestation period for a large mammal.

Much as I hate to say it I don't really think Japan and Norway give a toss what any one at the arse end of the world feels.

I still can't make my mind up if whaling is wrong, or whatever, but I sometimes think that people get caught up with the rhetoric of 'conservation' a wee bit. I'll reserve my opinion for the moment, but I'll be buggered if I'll advocate blowing up any one because I don't agree with their views.

[James Deuce]

Gahh - read the post again folks.

I started typing 36 months and then realised how few kiwibikers would be able to covert 36 months to three years.

Then hit submit too quickly.

[terbang]

At the same time New Zealanders are killing lambs by the thousands per day, and cattle, pigs and deer by the hundreds/day. Bit of a double standard here.
Except for vegetarians, we all eat meat and thus animals have to die. So why are whales any different?

Umm Err but we don't farm Whales do we and the whale numbers are dangerously down..Its not the killing thats the problem its the extinction that is..

[James Deuce]

Are you sure about that Jim? That's a mighty short gestation period for a large mammal.


Bear in mind that a Blue Whale foetus grows at a rate 20 times greater than a human foetus. Gestation is 10-12 months.

The 36 month thing is an estimate. No one appears to have a definitve answer to how many times an adult female Blue will reproduce during its lifespan. Mostly because we've been killing them too quickly to make corsets and candles to be able learn how the Blue Whale life cycle works.

As for the Rhetoric of conservation, whale numbers are estimated on the number of whales logged as killed during the period of industrial processing of whales, and the number of distinct individuals catalogued during migrations. Blues are so few in number that descriptions of individuals become more detailed as each year goes buy. Numbers estimates range from 800-1800 - not very accurate I know, but both numbers are tiny compared to the 100,000 Blues killed from the early 19th century to the latter third of the 20th century. There will have been many more kills than that that weren;t documented.

[Lou Girardin]

Shame... you guys must know some really skanky women if they smell like fish... pick them up on K Rd did you?

It always reminded me of the seaside more than fish.
But they do say that the most difficult part of a sex change is inserting the anchovies.

[placidfemme]

But they do say that the most difficult part of a sex change is inserting the anchovies.

haha I'm gonna use that with some queens I know... oh they'll be right shitty with me :)

[PuppetMaster]

I think we should hunt and eat Japanese people. I wonder if we could juice them and use them to make our cars run.....how oily are japanese people ?:scooter:

[placidfemme]

I think we should hunt and eat Japanese people. I wonder if we could juice them and use them to make our cars run.....how oily are japanese people ?:scooter:

hey with that attitude they're not going to "luv you long time" :nono:

[Phurrball]

Hmmm, interesting thread with some reasoned debate (*shock!* *horror!*).

It all depends on the TYPE of issue you view whaling as. Deciding what sort of issue whaling is, is a determanitive factor in the outcome.

Political and sovereignty issue as advanced by Mr Hitcher, indeed.

Conservation issue, yes indeed.

There was even some skirting around the 'animal rights' issues - this is where it gets interesting IMHO.

All of the other issues philosophically relate to the human perspective. The primary consideration is the human values concerned. Looking at the suffering of the whale being killed is straying into the animal welfare field if you think it's OK to kill whales; or into the animal rights field if you think that whales should be free from predation by humans.

This starts to open the philosophical can of worms that is human treatment of animals in general. There are all sorts of HUMAN justifications as to why it is OK for humans to treat some animals in one way that would not be acceptable if it were a different species.

Taking food from natural stocks in the ocean is extremely ecologically dodgy at the best of times. Whales happen to be more scarce than most other oceanic 'food' species. BUt humans tend to ascribe a 'special' status to whales that we do not to other aquatic animals. Why is that? Surely there is no logical basis for suggesting that whales deserve special protection? Where should we draw the line? Should whales have the 'right' not to be hunted to extinction?

Current regimes governing our relationship with animals we share the planet with are entirely anthrocentric - they protect 'cute, furry animals' that humans like. While the species differ from culture to culture, the tenuous intellectual justifications for distinguishing between species do not.

If whales are special, in terms of what they think and feel, surely other animals possess thoughts and emotions we should consider before exploiting them. Such thinking would be a little uncomfortable for most to do more than scratch the surface of the suffering meted out to further human whims. The exception is that suffering which is meted out to 'cute and furry' animals (and is hence unacceptable).

Humans should be looking to throttle back our dependance on animal exploitation per se, whales are just an interesting example of an animal humans feel a special affinity with.

Animal rights rant over, normal hippy-bashing may resume. :chase:

[Hitcher]

And here's me lusting after a Kawasaki...

[onearmedbandit]

Wear the fox hat....

Where the fuck's that? Where the fu#k is what?

My wife is Japanese, been to Japan a few times and travelled reasonably extensively across the place. Dined at some very nice restaurants (like $800 for 3 people) and although I've kept an eye out for it I'm yet to eat whale. It is, from my experience, very uncommon. I'm not saying at all this is a reason to hunt the whales to unsustainable levels, but don't think they eat it every day all across the nation!

[Edbear]

Wolf I take your point about the planet itself, it has amazing powers of recovery if man leaves it alone! In fact if man didn't exist, the planet would probably be fine! My point is the completely unnecessary extinction of species being brought about by mankind to his own detriment along with the inhuman suffering inflicted upon these beasts! Including also the probable extinction of man himself, again, completely unnecessarily! It's a management problem, not an inherent one. I challenge anyone here to observe for themselves the beauty in nature, watch a female Whale with her calf and not be moved. For me, yes, whales and many other living creatures are special. I'm not a vegetarian, but deplore the UNNECESSARY suffering and loss inflicted by what is supposed to be the highest intelligence on the planet!

[Timber020]

Anyone got any torpedos?

The whaling industry in japan isnt that big by its nations standards, but there are other japanese industrys that are much bigger that wouldnt like to be effected by the actions of the whaling companies. Possibly the only thing we can do is put pressure on the whaling nations as consumers by effecting other japanese industrys. Anyone want to write to honda, suzuki, yamaha, kawasaki, toyota, mazda etc and tell them your not going to buy any more of there product in protest?

[James Deuce]

I'm not saying at all this is a reason to hunt the whales to unsustainable levels, but don't think they eat it every day all across the nation!

No they don't. You're completely correct. In fact they have a mountain of whale meat going to waste.

This is a point of pride being argued here. "The Gaijin told us we can't hunt whales. They can get fucked."

I'm reasonably certain that that is the only reason why Japan wants to hunt whales without limit.

[avgas]

Except for vegetarians, we all eat meat and thus animals have to die. So why are whales any different?
So if i came and killed your dog, cat etc and ate it it would be fine.
The japanese are not whaling in their own waters thats my issue.

[Ixion]

That is a very good point. What's the deal with that? Does anyone know?

It's one thing for the Japs to catch whales around their own islands. But it's a bit of a cheek for them to come all the way down here and start killing them in the Southern Ocean. Piss off back home MoriTori San, I say.

Are they allowed to do that? Come down here and start catching "our" whales ("our", so to speak), even though we're opposed to it?

If not, it's not so bad, cos presumably the whales can head down to NZ and hang out. Sort of like the ducks on the Domain duckpond come the start of shooting season.

[WINJA]

hope the shepards of the sea get to slaughter a few whalers , its not the same as eating sheep cause when you buy lamb a portion of the money gos back to raising and breeding new lambs but not with whaling , talk to most japs and they dont eat whale there is delecious alternatives so why hunt whales?

[Colapop]

Whaling. In most western culture this has become an antisocial term. We have become de-sensitised to other cultures' rights to harvest a food source that they may consider to be part of their identity. Free Willy, Shamoo, Flipper nearly every whale or sea dwelling mammal has been portrayed as being some sort of kindred spirit. Ants live in socialised communities, as do Wasps Bees, Meerkats, the list could go on and on, but where is the outcry if a nest of these creatures gets wiped out? We have been taught to identify with a species that has no real bearing on our existence. The sensationalised pictures of whale slaughter send shivers done our backs as though it were us being harpooned! There is nothing wrong with harvesting a source of food as a culturally idenifiable tradition.

The problem with this practice is twofold. In the first instance the Japanese, and to a lesser extent the Norwegians and Icelandic people, are hunting a resource that does not replenish itself at that same rate that it is being harvested. Secondly both of these cultures are using modern technology to far extend their 'traditional' hunting grounds to encompass whole oceans as a resource gathering area.

These two points in themself negate the "need" to resume large scale whaling. How can a nation claim that they are acting in their traditional interest if they are not behaving in a traditional manner? Because a practice is termed 'traditional' it does not automatically garuntee the people claiming such rights open slather on all that they determine comes under that umbrella. Traditional Maori kai moana gathering is carried out for Tangi and Hui and the premise is to "take only enough to feed your whanau". We have seen that this customary right has been abused but we, as a whole community, have not moved to curb the practice. People fear treading on culturally sensitive issues. Whaling is being touted as being under the same cultural umbrella.

I have no problem with sustainable harvest - of any sort. But it must be sustainable.

[Finn]

hope the shepards of the sea get to slaughter a few whalers , its not the same as eating sheep cause when you buy lamb a portion of the money gos back to raising and breeding new lambs but not with whaling , talk to most japs and they dont eat whale there is delecious alternatives so why hunt whales?

You're just nervous they're coming for you next blubber boy. Don't worry, I don't think they'll make it up the Waikato.

[The_Dover]

I've harpooned a whale or two in my time, I blame my alcoholism.

But can't say that they were that tasty.

[metric]

In the first instance the Japanese, and to a lesser extent the Norwegians and Icelandic people, are hunting a resource that does not replenish itself at that same rate that it is being harvested. Secondly both of these cultures are using modern technology to far extend their 'traditional' hunting grounds to encompass whole oceans as a resource gathering area.

well said

(10c)

[Paul in NZ]

The sensationalised pictures of whale slaughter send shivers done our backs as though it were us being harpooned! There is nothing wrong with harvesting a source of food as a culturally idenifiable tradition.

The problem with this practice is twofold. In the first instance the Japanese, and to a lesser extent the Norwegians and Icelandic people, are hunting a resource that does not replenish itself at that same rate that it is being harvested. Secondly both of these cultures are using modern technology to far extend their 'traditional' hunting grounds to encompass whole oceans as a resource gathering area..

Well said that man...

Whales and birds migrate over vast areas and as such, belong to no one.

If people want to risk their lives and row out to sea in handmade boats and lob bone pointed harpoons tied to hemp or rawhide ropes at a few whales I don't have much issue with that.

But to claim a traditional or cultural right and then employ heliocopters, radar, steel ships and explosive harpoons on the other side of the globe? Hmmm.. How long has this technology been around? Well less time than europeans have been in NZ so in that case my family not only has a valid cultural claim to NZ but I demand the goverment supplies me with old motorcycles as has been my custom for many weeks.

It's a crock of poo....

Just like a good garden, the world needs it's wild places and mysterious creatures. Not everything is food and if it's a high priced treat, chances are it's just $$ talking.

[Wolf]

But to claim a traditional or cultural right and then employ heliocopters, radar, steel ships and explosive harpoons on the other side of the globe? Hmmm.. How long has this technology been around? Well less time than europeans have been in NZ so in that case my family not only has a valid cultural claim to NZ but I demand the goverment supplies me with old motorcycles as has been my custom for many weeks.
Yep, and I claim my cultural right to run around this side of the world cutting off people's heads as trophies as my ancient Celtic ancestors did. Instead of facing them mano e mano with a sword, however, I assert my traditional right to shoot them from a distance with a high powered, scoped rifle (the Walther WA2000 in .300 WinMag looks suitable) and to remove their heads with a chainsaw (you can get OOS trying to hack through neck bones with a mere sword, donchaknow).

I figure I could beat Cu Chullain's head-taking within the space of a week with some modern high-tech means of head harvesting... Woohoo!

[onearmedbandit]

No they don't. You're completely correct. In fact they have a mountain of whale meat going to waste.

This is a point of pride being argued here. "The Gaijin told us we can't hunt whales. They can get fucked."

I'm reasonably certain that that is the only reason why Japan wants to hunt whales without limit.

I believe that you're right Jim2, there probably is some degree of truth in that theory. All I'm saying, and yes I do have a personal interest in this, is don't generalise all Japanese, as some here are doing.

[James Deuce]

Understood OAB, and my apologies for using the insulting dimunutive. I'd just read how many tons of whale meat were sitting in freezer storage.

[onearmedbandit]

Wasn't really aimed at you Jim2, but just generally. I too don't agree with hunting past their own waters, unless agreed to by the Nation concerned, nor do I agree with the present harvest numbers.

[Winston001]

I too don't agree with hunting past their own waters, unless agreed to by the Nation concerned, nor do I agree with the present harvest numbers.

Hang on - the whale fishing goes on in international waters. Just like Kiwi fishermen do. That's perfectly legal and we fish off South America, Africa etc. No-one owns the fish outside territorial waters.

[The_Dover]

Don't shout that so loud winnie the pooh, the fuckin maori will try and claim them too.

[onearmedbandit]

Sorry Winston, maybe I should've been more precise in saying 'not including international waters', but I thought that was clear.

[Colapop]

NZ has an economic zone of 200kms or so don't we? Isn't that enough?

[Hitcher]

Do you know where whalers measure the size of the whales they catch?


At a whale-weigh station.

[Edbear]

Do you know where whalers measure the size of the whales they catch?


At a whale-weigh station.



You just couldn't help yourself, could you...:yes:

[Wolf]

Do you know where whalers measure the size of the whales they catch?


At a whale-weigh station.
And you know where you weigh pies?






Somewhere over the rainbow.

(Anyone doesn't get it, try singing the first couple of lines aloud)

[ogr1]

Back to the point.......WHY!
We don't need it.......do we? All the produce once used from whales is know obsolete. We have a technology that enables us to produce and substitue anything that the poor whale could offer man. Apart from the traditional values of certain nations hunting the whale, what other viable reason is there? If they don't eat it, then what THE F@@K do they use it for?

Fox hunting has been outlawed in this country for basically the same reasons, before it becomes extinct. We don't eat it, but the Lords & toff's try to palm off their actions by saying that it's better for the harmonious balance of the countryside & wildlife.....While most of the nation say B@ll@cks! it's because your sick and twisted ego's along with your pathetic traditional values make you believe your actions warrent the cause.

Not one nation on this earth can justify the sensless culling of whale or seal for that matter!

[Winston001]

And you know where you weigh pies?






Somewhere over the rainbow.

(Anyone doesn't get it, try singing the first couple of lines aloud)

Wear the fox hat?

[Hitcher]

Wear the fox hat?
Whale oil beef hooked.

[Biff]

Wales... who really cares??
Not me!

Me.

Imagine what this planet be like without Richard Burton and leeks.

Bitch.


Does this mean that Mr Biff is an endangered species?


Only if the wife finds my stash of secret prawn mags.

[Ixion]

Do you know where whalers measure the size of the whales they catch?


At a whale-weigh station.

Is there actually a minimum size? By analogy wth fishing laws for things like snapper one would expect there would be, but I have never seen it mentioned. Since in theory there is no commercial whaling, maybe no one ever set one.

I would have thought it easier to work by lenth, like fish.

[Hitcher]

Imagine what this planet be like without Richard Burton and leeks.
Or Catherine Zeta Jones. And leeks.

[ogr1]

CZJ is a minging welsh witch, just my opinion you understand.

[Wolf]

CZJ is a minging welsh witch, just my opinion you understand.
You're just jealous that Michael Douglas got to her first :nya:

[Paul in NZ]

Whale oil beef hooked.

If you are going to keep 'spouting' lines like this I'll get the 'hump' and be 'finn'ished here ....

paul N (call me Ishmael)

[Wolf]

If you are going to keep 'spouting' lines like this I'll get the 'hump' and be 'finn'ished here ....
Gods! Somebody krill me!

[Lias]

Well this threads gone to the dogs hasnt it :-).. Or is that the wolfs?

[Paul in NZ]

Gods! Somebody krill me!

Stop blubbering...

[Winston001]

Excuse me chaps and chapesses - its a bad halibut but if I could just interrupt:

Just learned that the Esquimo are allowed to kill an "aboriginal" quota of bow-head whales each year.

"Fin"ished now, as you were.

[Wolf]

Moderator! This thread needs moving - not to Pointless Drivel, but to Jokes and Humour.

[Edbear]

Just learned that the Esquimo are allowed to kill an "aboriginal" quota of bow-head whales each year.




Don't they have to use more traditional methods, though?

[Hitcher]

Don't they have to use more traditional methods, though?
Yes. They have to use kayaks and harforks.

[idb]

Psh! The planet is fine, it needs no saving. It'll be around long after we've followed the dinosaurs and all the species that we made extinct. It will bring forth new species to exploit the oil that was once our bodies and to mine the strange deposits of iron hydroxide and hydrocarbons that dot the landscape (usually salted with other metal ores and coal)*, refining the polymerised gunk into useful chemicals and refining the iron hydroxide and other ores into metal.

The simple form of life that thrived in our methane and ammonia atmosphere polluted themselves nearly out of existence with a poisonous gunk we call oxygen and lost their place as dominant lifeform. That's just one of many mass extinctions this planet has seen - some through overpopulation, some through suspected comet strike - ours won't be the last mass extinction on this planet. Earth is indifferent to us as a species, there are lots more variations on this "life" thing to play out.



*The quicker on the uptake will have already worked out that I'm referring to what a landfill of assorted metal and wooden junk and discarded plastic is likely to look like a few million years down the track.
Phew!
Well that sure takes the pressure off and eases the mind!
We and our pollutin' ways are just part of the natural cycle after all.

[Edbear]

Yes. They have to use kayaks and harforks.



Mmmm! Maybe the Japanese whalers should be sent into the Southern Ocean in Kayaks, too!:yes:

[Winston001]

Yes. They have to use kayaks and harforks.


NO NO! You cannot have your kayak and heat it.

[slowpoke]

Hmmm, interesting thread with some reasoned debate (*shock!* *horror!*).

It all depends on the TYPE of issue you view whaling as. Deciding what sort of issue whaling is, is a determanitive factor in the outcome.

Political and sovereignty issue as advanced by Mr Hitcher, indeed.

Conservation issue, yes indeed.

There was even some skirting around the 'animal rights' issues - this is where it gets interesting IMHO.

All of the other issues philosophically relate to the human perspective. The primary consideration is the human values concerned. Looking at the suffering of the whale being killed is straying into the animal welfare field if you think it's OK to kill whales; or into the animal rights field if you think that whales should be free from predation by humans.

This starts to open the philosophical can of worms that is human treatment of animals in general. There are all sorts of HUMAN justifications as to why it is OK for humans to treat some animals in one way that would not be acceptable if it were a different species.

Taking food from natural stocks in the ocean is extremely ecologically dodgy at the best of times. Whales happen to be more scarce than most other oceanic 'food' species. BUt humans tend to ascribe a 'special' status to whales that we do not to other aquatic animals. Why is that? Surely there is no logical basis for suggesting that whales deserve special protection? Where should we draw the line? Should whales have the 'right' not to be hunted to extinction?

Current regimes governing our relationship with animals we share the planet with are entirely anthrocentric - they protect 'cute, furry animals' that humans like. While the species differ from culture to culture, the tenuous intellectual justifications for distinguishing between species do not.

If whales are special, in terms of what they think and feel, surely other animals possess thoughts and emotions we should consider before exploiting them. Such thinking would be a little uncomfortable for most to do more than scratch the surface of the suffering meted out to further human whims. The exception is that suffering which is meted out to 'cute and furry' animals (and is hence unacceptable).

Humans should be looking to throttle back our dependance on animal exploitation per se, whales are just an interesting example of an animal humans feel a special affinity with.

Animal rights rant over, normal hippy-bashing may resume. :chase:

Yep, very well articulated, there are some very interesting contradictions involved with this debate.

[Phurrball]

Aw - and I was beginning to think that everyone thought I was a raving lunatic and was ignoring me in the hope that I'd go back to my internet-less hovel in Laingholm and morris dance with the other hippies! (Blame a paper I took last semester for these dangerous, radical hippie ideas)

The biggie (leaving aside the geo-political, cultural and ecological arguments)is that a roaming whale is something potentially capable of ownership like all animals at law (bling to anyone that can name a country where animals are not part of the property paradigm - I'm not aware of any.)

'We' (and I use that very generally) tend to elevate whales, dogs, cats, kiwi etc to special statuses for various reasons, believing them above 'other' animals, and imagine them to be 'ring-fenced' by pseudo-rights that make them off limits to the usual treatment meted out to animals that fall short in human judgment.

The philospohical and logical bases for these arguments don't stand up to close scrutiny - our treatment of animals is arbitrary, and immutably linked to the fact that they are capable of ownership (cf slaves in the antebellum US - there could be no real rights while slaves were owned)

While animals are capable of being 'owned', they can only be achieve status according to human whims (Whales and primates are 'special'; cats and dogs are accorded family status if they're lucky)

My dangerous, radical thinking is that until animals are something other than property, there can be no true protection for any given species (the academics vary on how we should proceed, to which animals basic 'rights'). NZ has given some very basic 'rights' to non-human primates, and this has formed a precedent for other jurisdictions to grant limited 'rights' to some animals. Try getting international agreement on that one! Like the legal abolition of slavery (let's not forget it still exists), it'll take a while.

My thinking may be way out there, but in deeds I am an incrementalist and believe everyone must come to these decisions in their own time (hell, I'm only a vegetarian, not even a vegan!)

Over and out for rant number 2 - If I've made one person muse a while on our relationship with animals, I've achieved something.

Ross.

[Paul in NZ]

Yep, very well articulated, there are some very interesting contradictions involved with this debate.

That was just a 'Fluke'

He couldn't relate that 'tail' again without 'sounding' silly.. Frankly I was suspicious but there is nothing 'fishy' about whales.....

bom bom....

Anyway

Two whales, a male and female, are swimming through the ocean when they come across a whaling boat. The male whale recognizes the the boat and becomes very angry....

Thats a bloody whaling ship.... In fact, that is the ship that killed my parents" he says to his female friend.

"I'm going to get revenge".

"If we both get under the ship and blow air out at the same time we should be able to flip the ship over." After talking to the female whale he convinces her to attack the ship.

So together they both rush under the ship and begin to blow air out of their blow holes. Amazingly the male's trick works and the ship flips over. However the male whale is quickly angered when he sees the sailors trying to escape to shore.

"Quick after them, we'll eat them all so they can't escape!".

The female, with a rather disgusted look on her face replied...

"Alrighty that's it, I agreed to the blow job but I'm not gonna swallow the seamen!"

[Hitcher]

"Alrighty that's it, I agreed to the blow job but I'm not gonna swallow the seamen!"
Obviously not a sperm whale...

[Wolf]

Obviously not a sperm whale...
Correct. Sperm whales do not have teeth or the ability to swallow humans, they are baleen whales and sift the water. :hitcher:

[Colapop]

Oh Wolfie... I think you'll find you may be slightly mistaken.... Sperm Whales do have teeth .... They eat squid - that's why we haven't heard from Mikey for awhile...

[Wolf]

Oh Wolfie... I think you'll find you may be slightly mistaken.... Sperm Whales do have teeth .... They eat squid - that's why we haven't heard from Mikey for awhile...
OK, my bad. If they eat squid, a lot on this forum had better pray the Japs kill 'em all...

[Jonny Rotten]

WHALES!!!!! WHO CARES I FUCKEN CARE.....
if i see any whaling ship in these here waters im goin to go pirate on there arses even if it is in my lil 5.5m alloy fishing boat....ill fire the flare gun shoot a speargun at them and throw my catch at them dam them all dam them all to hell....

[Pixie]

I'm not a fan of whaling. In fact I'm not keen on any living creature being killed .................but meat pies and steak are fundamental rights!:yes:

So we have NZ on the world stage beating up the Japanese, Norwegians, Greenlanders etc for wanting to kill and eat whales. At the same time New Zealanders are killing lambs by the thousands per day, and cattle, pigs and deer by the hundreds/day. Bit of a double standard here.

Except for vegetarians, we all eat meat and thus animals have to die. So why are whales any different?
Yeah! bloody hippies and pinko's,spending our money to save some stupid fish.
Fred dagg had it right- they are as intelligent as a cat

[Pixie]

Because sheep, lambs, cattle, pigs, chickens and so forth arn't beomcing endangered.... there are millions of those animals throughout the world...

When you look at some whale spieces... there are less than 100000... thats not a lot... and at the rate those japs are killing them off, in 15 years there won't be any left... and that is a terrible loss to the world, they really are kewl animals...
Think about this.
Which animals are the ones not endangered?
The ones that are used for food.
The best thing we could do for whales is to all start eating them

[The_Dover]

Think about this.
Which animals are the ones not endangered?
The ones that are used for food.
The best thing we could do for whales is to all start eating them


Sweet, I've got a fucking big spear.

Who's got a boat?

[msm]

Okay, I've eaten whale meat. I grew up in Norway, go ahead and sue me. One day my father served up real whale meat from a real live whale, gently cooked over medium heat in a frying pan and lovingly dished out with potatoes, onions and gravy. We were all a little excited about trying this supposed delicacy.

It tastes like pure and utter ARSE!

Imagine the approximate look and feel of beef, except flavoured with cod liver oil with a little bit of added rotting seaweed and a large side of intestinal gas.

Why anybody wants to eat the stuff is way beyond me. Save the whales, eat a cow instead. They're much tastier.

[The_Dover]

It tastes like pure and utter ARSE!

I think you were eating the wrong hole.

[Wolf]

...this supposed delicacy.

It tastes like pure and utter ARSE!

Imagine the approximate look and feel of beef, except flavoured with cod liver oil with a little bit of added rotting seaweed and a large side of intestinal gas.

Why anybody wants to eat the stuff is way beyond me. Save the whales, eat a cow instead. They're much tastier.
Sounds like all "delicacies" to me - pay good money for shit the average person wouldn't eat unless he were starving to death.

Look at 'em all: bird's nest soup, FFS - a sure sign they had serious famines in China! Now the famine's over and the rich fuckwits pay a fortune to eat what the peasants were once reduced to eating. All the other delicacies are the same. Sheer-desperation "food" that has become "trendy" in more affluent times.

Maybe I should charge a fortune for my old leather belt fried up with a couple of onions. So long as I make it a suitably miniscule portion in the midst of a huge plate with a couple of pieces of green shit crossed artistically on top, I should be able to get a fair bit for the delicacy...

[avgas]

i SAY WE USE G.E. TO BREED A FUCKEN HUGE ANGRY NARWHALE AND TRAIN IT TO HARPOON WHALE VESSLES

[Pixie]

We were all a little excited about trying this supposed delicacy.

It tastes like pure and utter ARSE!


The whale's arse is the one bit you aren't supposed to eat

[The_Dover]

i SAY WE USE G.E. TO BREED A FUCKEN HUGE ANGRY NARWHALE AND TRAIN IT TO HARPOON WHALE VESSLES

Isn't New Zealand proud to be GE free?

I.e. third world.

[inlinefour]

Apparently whales are endangered or something and they are worried about getting too close to NZ and harpooning a Kiwi chick.

IN NEW ZEALAND WE HAVE WHALES BEACHING THEMSELVES ALL THE TIME. HOW IS ANYONE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BEACHED WHALE AND A BUSH PIG SUNBAITHING??:doobey:

[Finn]

HOW IS ANYONE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BEACHED WHALE AND A BUSH PIG SUNBAITHING??:doobey:

The bush pigs have bigger blow holes.

[inlinefour]

The bush pigs have bigger blow holes.

Although I prefer not to get close enough to them to be able to tell...

[NotaGoth]

IN NEW ZEALAND WE HAVE WHALES BEACHING THEMSELVES ALL THE TIME. HOW IS ANYONE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BEACHED WHALE AND A BUSH PIG SUNBAITHING??:doobey:


Ok I'll stop sunbathing ffs...

[inlinefour]

Ok I'll stop sunbathing ffs...

your far too purrtay to be a bush pig kittie.:yes:

[NotaGoth]

In fact, did I not hear on the news last night that Japan has a whalemeat mountain, due to the general public not wanting the stuff, and the owners of said mountain will use it for pet food??

Heard that on the news too.

Scientific Research my arse...

[The_Dover]

They are doing a scientific study to see how high you can pile whalemeat before it topples and crushes an endangered species research centre.

[slowpoke]

Scientific Research my arse...

They're going to analyse your arse? Can't wait to see those results.....