Whats with the hostility?

[Sniper]

Been a couple of threads on KB as of late which I have rather loudly and aggresivly put forward my veiwpoint. Im no angel by any means, but what happened to the good old days of, "Well thats you opinion, this is mine, fair enough, want a beer?"

Unlike SARGE, I have not received any red rep which is strange considering at time I offended people and was offended. To me the rep system is a give or take. Like something I say? Then give me green. Dont like something I say, then give me red and say why not. Im not in the habit of sending red back your way just because you did.

The thing that has been getting under my skin (and Ive been told off more than once for voicing it strongly) is if its my opinion, why is it bad? Sure, its wrong in your eyes if I say kill someone for your country because you believe in a cause, but whats with all the aggressive comments telling me Im wrong? If I disagree, I say so, but I dont say you are wrong. If you disagree, fine, but tell me, don't sit and pick holes in my argument. By the same token I may get a bit hot under the collar and say a few things without thinking them through, but at no time does that make me an idiot for my opinion. Treat others opinions with respect because more often than not, a disrespectful comment can change the whole course of an argument.

Remember, its the internet. Take things on the chin. Offer your opinion and if someone challenges it, thats fine, give reasons, but dont find reason to pick holes in anothers argument. Most of KB are intelligent individuals with reasons behind why they say things. Some of the time is a great steaming pile of manure, hell I should know, look at my post count but never disregard what an individual has to say because you disagree. By the same token, don't change your opinion because you are afriad of offending someone.

I hold no grudges against anyone on KB, regardless of what they say to me on the internet. Everyone has their opinion and its just one of things you have to respect. NZ is a unique place where everyone is encouraged to have their own opinion, but voice it and all hell breaks loose. KB is a great place where we are very fortunate to actually be able to voice our opinion on other things as well as motorbikes, but it is still a privlidge and not a right when you think about it.

In short, if you have an opinion, voice it, dont worry if its wrong in others eyes cause no matter what, its will always be challenged by someone. But at the same time, never jump on the band wagon, because its harder to explain your opinion when you are following the crowd. In no way am I sorry for voicing my opinions because that is what I believe, but at the same time, all other opinions are listened to, not disregarded. Dont personally attack someone for what they believe because that more than often just ends up in a fight rather than a healthy debate.

Remember, its just the internet. (I have to try now :innocent: )

/Non-sensical rant

[DemonWolf]

I agree.. personal attacks aren't called for... though having a different opinion and stating it.. now thats a good discussion. =)

[Str8 Jacket]

Emotions are running high! Its winter the weathers been terrible therefore people cant go out riding as much as they would normally. I dont know about anyone else but a good longish ride does wonders for my bad moods and "down" days but seeing as people cant do that ATM they tend to vent more... Unfortunately people with strong opinions have them for a reason and it bugs some people when others question their opinions. I think people just need to respect that everyone is different and what can be normal to one person is totally unacceptable to someone else.

[Flatcap]

Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) - Everyone has gone bonkers

[Karma]

:motu: :motu: :motu: :motu:

[SwanTiger]

I still love you Sniper

[The_Dover]

I still love you Sniper

Don't say that swanny, it's asking for trouble.....:nya:

[Sniper]

I still love you Sniper
I love you too man


Don't say that swanny, it's asking for trouble.....
(said in the best Forest Gump voice). Why wont you love me Dover?

[scumdog]

Because those that don't agree with me are all ferkn wankers who know sweet F.A.

And it gives me a chance to let off steam in another way other than whaling the tar out of some damn hippy with my night-stick.!!!:innocent:

[TwoSeven]

My view is that one has the right to have an opinion, but in general should not express that opinion when it may cause offense to others - this is called personal restraint. Posting stuff that causes offense is what I think is generally called anti-social behaviour and in the long run only causes more grief than its worth.

There seems to be many people that think that while it is ok in their peer group to make offensive jibes in jest and to use derogatory terms about other people, not everyone finds it funny - especially those who are on the receiving end of the jibe.

There is an old rule - what goes around comes around. So if you dont want to receive shyte, dont dish it out in the first place and if it was accidental, it would be your responsiblity to modify the post when requested to.

I was quite surprised that SARGE made the post (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=31086) that he did, considering that when I asked him by PM to change a post he'd previously made that I found offensive, the end result was the following quote:



no i will not change my post ( name that movie...BLING TO THE FIRST ONE) by the way.. not because i am worried about offending anyone.. because i am tired as fuck of this candy-assed PC bullshit.. once you start censoring yourself, you become a slave to those PC cocksuckers

I notice that the thread it was posted in is now locked.

So I find it very interesting to see him complaining about the very thing he stated he didnt care about.

There is a reason all that PC Shyte exists. Its to stop everyone pissing each other off.

At the end of the day, it really is up to the moderators to be moderating. To me moderating is not about deleting the odd post and sending the odd don't be naughty email out, its about educating people on how to make good posts, develop a good neutral writing style and having respect for other individuals.

[scumdog]

There's PC and then there's shove-it-down-yor-throat-and-don't-you-dare-say-anything-negative-about-any-minority PC.

And I've no time for the latter. (or the first a lot of the time)

[ZeroIndex]

Beautiful post Sniper.. good on ya.. green rep for that..

[Sniper]

There's PC and then there's shove-it-down-yor-throat-and-don't-you-dare-say-anything-negative-about-any-minority PC.

And I've no time for the latter. (or the first a lot of the time)

Nicely said scumdog. If you want to bash hippies then screw the PC Bullshit



pt

[The_Dover]

Just show me the fucking hippies man.

What's red and yellow and looks good on hippies?
























































FIRE



I got a full tin of lighter fluid and some matches..........

[Sniper]

<img src=http://home.pacific.net.au/~turner23/2002/hippy-peace.jpg></img src>

[MSTRS]

Whats with the hostility?
What hostility? You poor, sad, demented fuckwit. I mean, what a load of self-serving, peurile, non-sensical, arsewipe rubbish. Just who do you think you are, criticizing all those well-thought-out, intelligent, constructive posts that we all place within those hallowed halls? FFS man - get a life. Just cos your mammy gave you a wee smack when you were little, there's no need to be so damned sensitive and as for daring to suggest that there are people here who would attack your ideas and red rep you with nasty personal comments....piiffffftt, go crawl back under your moss-covered rock and don't speak unless you are spoken to.
Bloody children.....
:innocent:
Damn spreading-it message....the thought is what counts eh Sniper?

[Sniper]

Lol, very amusing post MSTRS

[Colapop]

What ever happened to "If you don't like it, fuck off" Jesus you'd think people on here were forced to participate. Already in this thread there has been mentioned of shit that's been done to death, and rehashed before and done again and now it's being brought up again. WTF??!!?? If you have issues that serious then go get your mother to stroke it and tell you it's all ok.
I'm pretty easy going about most shit and don't give a toss if someone doesn't like what I say. Fuck I don't usually give a shit about what other people say (esp. in shit slinging threads) but once again some people who like to have everything their own way are just finding issues to call their own.
so....

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE THEN FUCK OFF!!

[DMNTD]

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE THEN FUCK OFF!!

I love ya big guy...now fark off! :scratch:







PS: I agree

[Lou Girardin]

What we we do without this angst? Work?
Fuck that!
Keep it coming Sniper and Sarge, you both talk absolute shit, but it's entertaining shit.

[Finn]

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE THEN FUCK OFF!!

I'M FUCKING TRYING!!! SOMEONE BUY MY COMPANY!!!

[PuppetMaster]

absolute shit


yes. agreed.

[yungatart]

Whats with the hostility?
What hostility? You poor, sad, demented fuckwit. ...blah, blah...

:innocent:
Damn spreading-it message....the thought is what counts eh Sniper?
Yeah, whats with all this nasty stuff! BTW, next time you're quoting abusive pm's, use your own and don't steal mine! Thief, plagiarist, tosser!

[Lou Girardin]

Yay, domestic about to happen. Hit him with your handbag ytart

[yungatart]

I'm too poor to have a handbag-bloody IRD take all my money- and we don't do domestics, they are sooo yesterday Lou....nah , really,Mstrs doesn't llike losing....

[Jantar]

My view is that one has the right to have an opinion, but in general should not express that opinion when it may cause offense to others - this is called personal restraint. Posting stuff that causes offense is what I think is generally called anti-social behaviour and in the long run only causes more grief than its worth.

There seems to be many people that think that while it is ok in their peer group to make offensive jibes in jest and to use derogatory terms about other people, not everyone finds it funny - especially those who are on the receiving end of the jibe.

There is an old rule - what goes around comes around. So if you dont want to receive shyte, dont dish it out in the first place and if it was accidental, it would be your responsiblity to modify the post when requested to.

I was quite surprised that SARGE made the post (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=31086) that he did, considering that when I asked him by PM to change a post he'd previously made that I found offensive, the end result was the following quote:


I notice that the thread it was posted in is now locked.

So I find it very interesting to see him complaining about the very thing he stated he didnt care about.

There is a reason all that PC Shyte exists. Its to stop everyone pissing each other off.

At the end of the day, it really is up to the moderators to be moderating. To me moderating is not about deleting the odd post and sending the odd don't be naughty email out, its about educating people on how to make good posts, develop a good neutral writing style and having respect for other individuals.

A well articulated and presented point of view. The fact that I disagree with almost everything you say doesn't prevent my understanding of your side of the argument.

Note that TwoSeven hasn't attacked or abused anyone, yet has still managed to put forward an opposing argument.

I can apreciate any arguement whether I agree or disagree with it as long as it addresses the issues and doesn't directly attack the person. If I put forward an opininion that some mind find offensive, then that is just too bad. It is my opinion and I am entitled to express it. However if I insult someone directly then I deserve everything I get.

Sniper, in starting this thread, has a very valid point. Red rep him if the post is personally insulting to you, but don't attack him just because you don't like what he has to say. Similarly when Sarge expressed his opinion about Muslims. I happen to agree with him, but remember his attack was on the religion in general, not on any particular individual who may have read his post. For some reason many decided to attack Sarge directly rather than simply argue his points.

Personal attacks indicate that there is no logical argument aginst the point, so by attacking the writer of the thread rather than the argument presented, it is an admission that the writer is correct.

[chanceyy]

well said Sniper bling to you

personal attacks are not necessary but differing view points make a aweseome dicussion.

[slowpoke]

Why wont you love me Dover?


FUGGIT!!!! I just spat my coffee all over the place....awww, man coffee comin' out my nose now.....can't you warn me before go doin' that sorta shit?

[Wolf]

WARNING
Swallow your mouthful of coffee before proceeding!

[This message was edited at the request of Yungatart]

(Sorry 'bout your keyboard, J)








I'm too poor to have a handbag
So hit him with his handbag!

[Madness]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Colapop again.


We all at times will have difficulty in understanding the opinions of others because we have arrived here on a different path. If you don't like the fact that somebody disagrees with you perhaps the best thing you can do for yourself is to try harder to understand the reasons for their viewpoint. Knowledge is gained by sharing experiences with others after all.

[Str8 Jacket]

Just show me the fucking hippies man.

What's red and yellow and looks good on hippies?

B]FIRE[/B]



I got a full tin of lighter fluid and some matches..........

Fark last time mrmelon posted that he got red repped.... so im gonna give you some green just to balance it...

Ah, but not for 24 hrs cause apparently ive been a bling whore?!

[inlinefour]

There is no such thing as a wrong opinion, there are just differences in opinion. At the end of the day its not the difference of opinion thats the problem, but how people react to it. Some people need to look at themselves? Gee thats a surprise...:nya:

[Street Gerbil]

Been a couple of threads on KB as of late which I have rather loudly and aggresivly put forward my veiwpoint. Im no angel by any means, but what happened to the good old days of, "Well thats you opinion, this is mine, fair enough, want a beer?"

Some people will fight to ensure that you can express your personal opinion... But only if they agree with it. Judging from this forum (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss), it must be a common trait among so called "progressives".

[Jamezo]

Spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, baked beans, spam, spam, spam and spam

If you disagree, fine, but tell me, don't sit and pick holes in my argument.

Spam, spam, spam, egg, and spam

That's pretty ridiculous.

'Sniper, I disagree, you're wrong', is ok, but "picking holes in arguments" is not?

In my view, the main purpose of those debatey-type threads *is* to pick holes in others' arguments, revealing logical fallacies and and factual innaccuracies, so that people consider their previously held thoughts.

If this doesn't happen, all you get is two people saying to each other "I disagree with you, but I'm not going to attempt to show you how are incorrect". Thus the afforementioned logical fallacies and and factual innaccuracies are allowed to perpetuate. How stupid is that?

I could rant about this much longer, but I'm sure you all appreciate succinctness in a rant.

[Sniper]

Jamezo, you are a character are you not..... I love the big words and Im sorry that it takes me so long to figure out what you are saying, but I didnt knuckle down at school as hard as you obviously did...

Or maybe you dont know how to KISS?

Whatever it is, you might be trying to intimidate me or confuse me so that I may trip up and say something completely irrelevant like I did in the other thread. Whatever it is mate, you are wasting your time with me.

EDITITY EDIT: Oh yea and this is where my point comes in Jamezo. You gave me your opinion and reason for it. I disagree..... Fullstop.

[98tls]

:blip: excellent.......The missus has coronation st looming so lets keep this going as i am not ready to admit middle age is looming just yet:rolleyes:

[Colapop]

What does he mean, "stinkness" in a rant?

[Sniper]

What does he mean, "stinkness" in a rant?

Nah not stinkiness, just a big word that he uses to try sound important.

[Madness]

Where's Hitcher when ya need a translation???

[Jamezo]

Cute, cute. With no disrespect to you, I express mirth at your description of my formal manner of writing as so many 'big words'.

Intimidation and confusion do not have a place in my debatory (I made a word up, sue me.) arsenal, nor should they in anyone elses. Just plain ol' logic always suffices if you actually know what you are talking about.

With regard to your last statement, can you demonstrate where A) I have taken anything personally, or B) you pulled my 'opinions' apart? I don't know if you actually read my above post, but I was making a point that people hiding behind 'being entitled to an opinion' are too frequently allowed to get away with being just plain factually and logically wrong.

[Sniper]

Factually wrong I can understand. But logically wrong??? If something makes sense to me but not you doesnt make it wrong. It means we need to find an alternate ground so that we can both understand.

And no I wont sue you. Making up words is a tradition of KB.

[98tls]

Succ.......what:sick: whatever it is it doesnt sound like normal behaviour to me.

[Sniper]

Succ.......what:sick: whatever it is it doesnt sound like normal behaviour to me.



You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.

Damn.

No offence to Jamezo, but that was farking funny

[Str8 Jacket]

. It means we need to find an alternate ground so that we can both understand.

And no I wont sue you. Making up words is a tradition of KB.


OR just get over it and move on. Its only the internet and while I really value KB it is only the internet, anyone can be who they want to be... "Real" life is what really matters at the end of the day, is it not?

[98tls]

Damn.

No offence to Jamezo, but that was farking funny Bugger.....i needed that,still trying to recover from a red rep over an opinion...could have just said he disagreed:banana:

[Titanium]

That is what it is called.....

[Phurrball]

Indeed Jamezo, people can only see from whence one is comes if the 'hole-picking' is conducted in a logical and well presented manner -succinct 'hole-picking' is even better still. I'm a little puzzled with Sniper's suggestion that we eschew reasoned debate in favour of baldly presented disagreement - all too easy and simplistic.

There's always a few erudite gems amongst the posts here on KB...wheat amongst the chaff if you will. I'd be sad to loose the rare gems of reasoned debate that crop up from time-to-time.

Personal attack is the refuge of the intellectually weak - there's no need for it. Well executed piss-taking or satire on the other hand...

And BTW, I only let nice people pick at my hole...:yes: Sniper is obviously sensitive about all and sundry getting at his.

[98tls]

Indeed Jamezo, people can only see from whence one is comes if the 'hole-picking' is conducted in a logical and well presented manner -succinct 'hole-picking' is even better still. I'm a little puzzled with Sniper's suggestion that we eschew reasoned debate in favour of baldly presented disagreement - all too easy and simplistic.

There's always a few erudite gems amongst the posts here on KB...wheat amongst the chaff if you will. I'd be sad to loose the rare gems of reasoned debate that crop up from time-to-time.

Personal attack is the refuge of the intellectually weak - there's no need for it. Well executed piss-taking or satire on the other hand...

And BTW, I only let nice people pick at my hole...:yes: Sniper is obviously sensitive about all and sundry getting at his. :sick: mate you are either taking the piss or you have some ben waa balls up your arse so you have to shit out your mouth.

[Sniper]

Sniper is obviously sensitive about all and sundry getting at his.
Im not sensitive about anything. Im offering my opinion and just cause I dont understand big words doesnt make me sensitive, now if you will excuse me, Im going to go eat a 2l of ice cream cause Im upset.

[Phurrball]

:sick: mate you are either taking the piss or you have some ben waa balls up your arse so you have to shit out your mouth.

Talkin' shit's what it's all about here is it not??

Seriously though, there are some pretty well-argued posts on KB(occasionally). That's a good thing in my book. Dumbing down and over-simplifying is not. Next people will be unable to form cogent sentences, or punctuate, and will only be able to communicate in 'txt spk'...oh...hang on...

Can I share your frozen confectionery Sniper while I cry over my BDOTGNZA manuscript decrying the paucity of 'good England' on internet fora?

[Sniper]

Can I share your frozen confectionery Sniper while I cry over my BDOTGNZA manuscript decrying the paucity of 'good England' on internet fora?

You may indeed my literate friend.

[Virago]

The problem always seems to be that there are differences of opinion of what constitutes an opinion, and what is personal abuse.

If someone says "In my opinion you're a cunt", is that a valid opinion or not? You might feel abused and insulted, but who are you to deny the other person's right to an opinion?

You might not think you're a cunt, but that's just your opinion. Keep it to yourself.:doobey:

[The_Dover]

Personal attack is the refuge of the intellectually weak

Fuck up you stinking hippy.

Reasoned arguments and flowery language are the refuge of the homosexual, tree hugging beatnik.

Now lick my balls.

[Edbear]

OR just get over it and move on. Its only the internet and while I really value KB it is only the internet, anyone can be who they want to be... "Real" life is what really matters at the end of the day, is it not?



:gob: KB's not real????!!!!!

[strayjuliet]

Quote:
Originally Posted by yungatart
I'm too poor to have a handbag[/QUOTE]





So hit him with his handbag!


If he doesn't have a handbag I can loan you wolf's one :killingme:

[SARGE]

My view is that one has the right to have an opinion, but in general should not express that opinion when it may cause offense to others - this is called personal restraint. Posting stuff that causes offense is what I think is generally called anti-social behaviour and in the long run only causes more grief than its worth.

There seems to be many people that think that while it is ok in their peer group to make offensive jibes in jest and to use derogatory terms about other people, not everyone finds it funny - especially those who are on the receiving end of the jibe.

There is an old rule - what goes around comes around. So if you dont want to receive shyte, dont dish it out in the first place and if it was accidental, it would be your responsiblity to modify the post when requested to.

I was quite surprised that SARGE made the post (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=31086) that he did, considering that when I asked him by PM to change a post he'd previously made that I found offensive, the end result was the following quote:


I notice that the thread it was posted in is now locked.

So I find it very interesting to see him complaining about the very thing he stated he didnt care about.

There is a reason all that PC Shyte exists. Its to stop everyone pissing each other off.

At the end of the day, it really is up to the moderators to be moderating. To me moderating is not about deleting the odd post and sending the odd don't be naughty email out, its about educating people on how to make good posts, develop a good neutral writing style and having respect for other individuals.


i never complained about getting red rep man.. re-read my original post (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=653529&postcount=1) on the racism thread..(the first line..) you will see i wasnt on about the rep.. i was on about the double standard some people show by calling me a racist without getting inside my head, while at the same time .. engaging in a shitload of Yank Bashing..

people in glass houses man.. pull your head out .. read the post for what it says .. not what you want it to say

i could give a fuck about red rep.. i cant spend it, eat it or ride it .. what good is it?

[buellbabe]

There is no such thing as a wrong opinion, there are just differences in opinion. At the end of the day its not the difference of opinion thats the problem, but how people react to it. Some people need to look at themselves? Gee thats a surprise...:nya:
That pretty much sums it up IN MY OPINION...
If I am offended by something its because I have a different perspective, it doesn't mean that the other person is WRONG... (ok maybe there are SOME exceptions...)
Some people on this site do deliberately shitstir and ya just gotta take the good with the bad ...

[MSTRS]

If he doesn't have a handbag I can loan you wolf's one :killingme:
Quiet in the cheap seats...

[crashe]

Damn it ..... I've got to stop having a life and going out and having great bike rides...
:scooter: :scooter: :scooter:



I keep missing all the fun/shit thats going down on KB.



Now where was I....... :nya:

[Sniper]

Just been reading a few threads that I was "actively" involved in as well as this one and had to laugh at all the posts where you could almost feel the dislike or hostility eminate from them. Hell, even mine were included where I got so involved in battling with someone I lost the big picture. Its a bloody great laugh.

Everyone on KB has differing opinions from Iraq to what bread you like to eat and why. Im just as guilty as the next person when taking a thread too far but when someone has to resort to personal attacks of a persons character, thats going too far. Wolf and I had vastly differing opinions of what was said in a thread, but not once did we stoop to a level as to lay personal insults.

Not once, but by more than one person, I have been labled as a racist because of what I have said. Remarkably funny because of the fact that the people labeling me as such have no idea what I am like. I still have friends of a different coloured skin (Not going to call them blacks because thats racist) back in South Africa that I email regularly and even chat to on the phone, but who were they to know this? Hey I can't blame them for thinking what they do based on what I have written, but implying that is a different measure.

I will never threaten personal harm on any fellow KB'er, no matter how hot under the collar they make me. But its interesting to see har far certain folk try to push me. Hell, I know there are folks who look at my posts and hate seeing them, I know that Im on peoples ignore lists, but Im not one to care about that really. I think a few people on here are idiots, but it varies from post to post.

To me KB is a place to meet people and discuss stuff on an intellectual level. I may think you are an idiot, but I still wont pin that on you when if we meet. Those I have met know that in life Im happy to sit in the corner and not say much until spoken to (Unless Ive been drinking) but who would know from an 11000+ post count?

I have no problem with anyone on KB. I clash heads with certain people but I will still give you a bed of coffee if you are ever in the neighbourhood. But personal attacks an insults on people should stop. If you have a problem discuss it with the person or a mod, dont make it public because as I have found, people do take sides and it can turn ugly.

Hmmm, maybe I need a blog.

[Joni]

Not once, but by more than one person, I have been labled as a racist because of what I have said.People just go on the information you give them... so if you have been called something you feel you are not, maybe you should look at the way YOU deliver the message.

[Sniper]

People just go on the information you give them... so if you have been called something you feel you are not, maybe you should look at the way YOU deliver the message.

Thats very true, which is why I shall try choose my words carefully from now on, but like any cornered animal, I used any means I could to try and get out of the mountain of attacks thrown at me. In hindsight not the best way, but it worked (not very well I admit too)

[Jamezo]

......Hmmm, maybe I need a blog.

May I suggest a MySpace? I have a great Dashboard Confessional wallpaper to get you started.

[Sniper]

May I suggest a MySpace? I have a great Dashboard Confessional wallpaper to get you started.

Haha, had to laugh thanks :niceone:. I tried Myspace but they didnt like me..... apparently you cant post porn?

[John Banks]

MySpace: pedophiles are welcome, porn is not.

[Lou Girardin]

Thats very true, which is why I shall try choose my words carefully from now on, but like any cornered animal, I used any means I could to try and get out of the mountain of attacks thrown at me. In hindsight not the best way, but it worked (not very well I admit too)

Who cares if some think you're racist?
At least you have an opinion. Fuck 'em. PC wankers.
(aahhh, that feels better)

[Sniper]

Who cares if some think you're racist?
At least you have an opinion. Fuck 'em. PC wankers.
(aahhh, that feels better)

I know what you mean Lou. Im not too fussed on what some think, but I get pissed off at the pack of vultures who come screaming in the moment they think they smell an oppertunity and I have to sit and defend my opinion against those who are too nieve to accept it, but as of late I've learnt another way........

[Macktheknife]

Because those that don't agree with me are all ferkn wankers who know sweet F.A.

And it gives me a chance to let off steam in another way other than whaling the tar out of some damn hippy with my night-stick.!!!:innocent:
You say that like it's a bad thing....
What's up scumdog, running out of hippy's???

[SARGE]

You say that like it's a bad thing....
What's up scumdog, running out of hippy's???


hippies ???... nightsticks??..


where do i sign??

[Storm]

Oo, oo pick me too. Is there a quota for hippy bashing as well as the tickets?