Fuck!! Downed in the Manawatu Gorge

[KLOWN]

Where to start? Well this morning my brand new boots from quasi arrived, smelt nice, looked great and the perfect size. Thought to myself, hey why dont i go for a ride to try out my new boots. was having a great ride round the phiatua (sp) track got the toe sliders to the ground a couple of times, boots working great. Heading back to palmy through manawtu gorge, giving my rg150 its beans. Coming up on a merc 4X4 so decide to overtake, when i start to pass it speeds up i get level to the rear door just before a right hand corner, all clear around the corner coninue to overtake, merc cuts corner and collects me! :gob: I am doing between 100 and 120kph. Can't remember anything of what happened, just lying in the middle of the road. Visor missing helmet and gear is fucked up AND my new boots.:crybaby: Got up, pick my bike up with one arm, my right arm too sore, push it to the side of the road. Apparently we got another i didn't see you driver. (I suppose it was coincidence that he speed up when i tried to pass) They drove me to hospital to get checked out, had two sore knees sore wrist and one killer head ache. They left me a card with thier details and it said "Details of the owners whose car you hit" stupid old fuckers!! I couldn't believe it!!!

Anywho, to come to the point is there anyone who can help me pick my bike up from the side of the road in the manawatu gorge (its unrideable) i just need a trailer or a van because i've got no money to hire a trailer. Any help would be welcomed and appreciated.

Edit: the boots are reasonably damaged, sole almost ripped off sliders ripped off but my ankles and feet are unhurt so BIG UPS to quasi and his boots.

[bell]

Jesus! Sounds like you were lucky to limp away from that one. And I was whinging to a mate about having cold hands today....hope you recover quickly and screw the Merc driver for all they're worth!!

[Phenoix]

Sorry to hear bout the off.
It happens way to oftern, bloody mercs' and BMW.
Cant help you tho sorry, wrong area.
Hope someone else can tho

[bane]

Holy crap!
Pleased (well amazed really) to hear you're reasonably unscathed - big ups for good gear.

...those bloody 2 strokes always find some way of destroying themselves :msn-wink:

[ZeroIndex]

damn that sucks.. i hope you feel better soon, and that you're able to get your bike sorted.. those bastards better 'fess up and pay for all damages to your bike, gear and helmet

[justsomeguy]

Stupid idiots.........:angry:

At least they had the decency to take you to hospital, or were they worried about vehicular manslaughter.........

Crashing is a sickening feeling isn't it....... especially that moment when you realise damn it's too late and wait to hit the ground......

Glad to know you're relatively OK......

At least they ain't no broke fella's so they can afford to buy you another RG.

Heal Well:bye:

[Zapf]

sorry to hear that.... good u are still around thou.

don't pass on corners... but u know that now.

BMW's MERC's.... etc... because they are so well insulated they don't hear or think much around them... so yes they are in their own little world

[Ixion]

HAVE YOU REPORTED THIS TO THE POLICE?

Make sure you do, and get YOUR version of the story in.

Note how they are already twisting it so that you are the guilty party - "the car *you* hit".

And the usual caveats - admit nothing, don't talk to them, be certain to expressly say in the police report that THEY hit YOU.

Remember you must do this within 24 hours (so must they)

[Jamezo]

Shit dude!!!! RG150 down...no good :(

Real unlucky...but you got off kinda lucky.

[Smokin]

Bloody hell mate, pleased to hear your ok after that, they just live in their own little world at times and they dont wake up until they stuff up someones life. I hope they are going to pay for your bike as well.

[KLOWN]

I'll prob get some red rep for this but, can't do nothing about it because i have no license, got over 100 demerits and really shouldn't be riding so... no insurance etc. Not complaining though because I made the decison to ride. Just my bad luck I guess (or dumb choice). You live you learn.

[Colapop]

What Ixion said. Be very clear that you were attempting to pass in a legal manner at a legal speed. Also be clear that the vehicle you were trying pass sped up to prevent you from passing at a point that you were commited to the act and that they hit you.
Apart from that take it easy and get well soon. Sorry I can't help more.
Col

[Sketchy_Racer]

Damn That realy sucks man.

And i thought my crash was dramatic.....

Good luck with the bike and yourself!!!!!!!!!

-Glen

[muzz]

Sorry to hear about your off and hope you heal soon.
I have to agree with zapf.
I see two people in the wrong here.
One of life's lessons I think.

[Ixion]

What's wrong with passing on corners? So long as there is visibility through the corner, nothing coming the other way, usual "so long as stuff". I do it, never had a problem with, just need to remember that cars will take a different line to bikes.

*checks Road Code*

No, nothing in there prohibiting passing on non-blind corners.

[MattRSK]

Hey Have you managed to get your bike picked up yet. I may have a slight chance of getting the work truck tomorrow to help you out. Not 100% sure that I can but I want to help you out. PM for my details.

[chanceyy]

coming to palmy on thurs .. might be able to jack up a trailer .. or if someone in palmy has one .. dunna mind a trip out to get a bike ..


if you need a hand pm me morrow

cheers

will not say anything re crash .. definately lifes lessons .. but you still need to report it

[muzz]

So long as you have got 100m clear visablity thro out the entire movement. No problems.

[bell]

I'll prob get some red rep for this but, can't do nothing about it because i have no license, got over 100 demerits and really shouldn't be riding so... no insurance etc. Not complaining though because I made the decison to ride. Just my bad luck I guess (or dumb choice). You live you learn.

Methinks there's quite a bit of learning in this for you! Got a bicycle?

[Sparky Bills]

Shit dude! Sorry to hear about your bike. Sounds like you had the right gear on though. So count yourself lucky!

Has anyone stepped up with a van/trailer yet?

[fozz rock]

I'll prob get some red rep for this but, can't do nothing about it because i have no license, got over 100 demerits and really shouldn't be riding so... no insurance etc. Not complaining though because I made the decison to ride. Just my bad luck I guess (or dumb choice). You live you learn.

sorry dude but your right "you live you learn"
downed me bike with no insurance 2K later still no bike about one to go

SHIT HAPPENS

[sil3nt]

Surely riding without a license and being hit by a car would be treated as two seperate things?

[MD]

Sorry to hear that. Shit I can't stand poncy 4x4s drivers at the best of times. Hearing that just confirms yet again how so many of those arrogant pricks think they own both sides of the road, and all other vehicles should move aside as they pass and bow in reverence to their stuck up tastes in ugly boxes. Is it part of their ownership training to cut every bloody corner.
Bummer you had no licence and insurance. That sort of makes it pointless contacting the Police and I can't see how you can claim on their insurance if you can't lodge a claim with your own Co. first?

[Colapop]

In the mean time (unless someone has helped already) get out there somehow and chain it up - at least til tomorrow. Don't wanna come back and find it gone...

[Hooks]

Sorry to hear of the bin mate !! ... If no one can help ya before hand I'm free from 3.30pm tomorrow. I'll hire a trailer and we can go get it if it's still there ...

One question ... did this happen in the gorge itself ...?? I only ask this as it's marked a no passing zone with a really boring 70 or 80kph speed limit ....

Anyway ... PM me if you still need help tomorrow OK ??

[mikey]

probably knock a biker off after id spent 100,000 on a suv an was being beaten by a 1000dollar rg150..

[T.W.R]

In the mean time (unless someone has helped already) get out there somehow and chain it up - at least til tomorrow. Don't wanna come back and find it gone...

2nd that :yes:

The gear did it's job that's the main thing, your lucky to basically have walked away from it.

As for the other aspects, mark one down to lessons learned not to be repeated and move on.

[metric]

good luck with it fella

lesson learnt etc

glad to hear the boots stood up to abuse

[Shadows]

Fuck, bummer dude. Glad you're okay. If I was a bit closer I'd give you a hand to collect it, anyway, I'd go back tonight if I were you whether you can afford it or not... borrow some money if you have to!

[KLOWN]

Thanks everyone for your support and advice!!

[Quartida]

I'll prob get some red rep for this but, can't do nothing about it because i have no license, got over 100 demerits and really shouldn't be riding so... no insurance etc. Not complaining though because I made the decison to ride. Just my bad luck I guess (or dumb choice). You live you learn.

I'll probably get some red rep for this too, but mate, you've got no licence and more than 100 demerits. You ain't got a leg to stand on. If you were a cager we would have hauled you over the coals by now.

Sorry, just the way I see it.

[cowboyz]

bummer. You sorted with picking up your bike. I'll be home around 5pm if you want I can whip up the road and pick it up. ring or txt me on 027 325 0 353 if you still require help. You want to file a police report too. Don't worry about no licence but dont mention speeding. Hopefully you werent passing on a yellow line because the others insurance is going to come chasing you for the money to fix their car. Guarentee it.

[Dafe]

Sorry to hear Klown. I hope your injuries are only minor. Hope you had insurance on your bike too. If you have contents insurance, be sure to claim back your riding outfit.

I don't know what it is about some Cage drivers.
Why they start playing the idiot because they see a bike coming up on them.
I understand boy racers - They're normally not too mentally bright anyway.
But mature adults? You'd think they'd know better.

Why don't you post their details here for us and we can all write them a letter, or better yet, start up a forum and then print it out and send it to them.

Can anybody tell me how come, whenever I'm on my Gixxer Thou, I find some idiot on the motorway who wants to drag me or sit right on my tail?
Maybe coz my bike is so small, it looks like a 250.
Ah well, I'm not actually complaining, coz I get my kicks from it!

[cowboyz]

ok. to be fair. Why do kb'ers have such a negative attitude towards cars? I know Klown. I've ridden with him. Really nice guy but lets look at the facts as we know them so far.

Klown took his bike out with no licence. Bad decision.
Klown overtook on a corner. Bad decision.
Klown admitted to speeding. Bad decision.
Klown overtook on the gorge. Bad decision.

And yet everyone is jumping on the car for hitting him. You can still think someone is a nice guy while thinking they have made some bad decisions can you not?

[skelstar]

What Dafe said: I cant anyone to drag race me! I think its beacuse I ride a bike that looks like a commuter (please avoid Honda related replies thanks poos).

Good to hear you made it through that little experience mate.

Double yellow lines through the gorge too eh? ;)

[Squeak the Rat]

i have no license, got over 100 demerits and really shouldn't be riding so... no insurance etc.
Glad you are ok, KLOWN.

[ajturbo]

hey call me i can come at any time!!!!

0274595830
i have a van that it will fit in!!!

[MSTRS]

ok. to be fair. Why do kb'ers have such a negative attitude towards cars? I know Klown. I've ridden with him. Really nice guy but lets look at the facts as we know them so far.

Klown took his bike out with no licence. Bad decision.
Klown overtook on a corner. Bad decision.
Klown admitted to speeding. Bad decision.
Klown overtook on the gorge. Bad decision.

And yet everyone is jumping on the car for hitting him. You can still think someone is a nice guy while thinking they have made some bad decisions can you not?
Haven't been thru the gorge for a while, but last time I seem to remember double yellows right thru and an 80kph limit?? If so, the people-crusher was speeding too.

[ajturbo]

ok. to be fair. Why do kb'ers have such a negative attitude towards cars? I know Klown. I've ridden with him. Really nice guy but lets look at the facts as we know them so far.

Klown took his bike out with no licence. Bad decision.
Klown overtook on a corner. Bad decision.
Klown admitted to speeding. Bad decision.
Klown overtook on the gorge. Bad decision.

And yet everyone is jumping on the car for hitting him. You can still think someone is a nice guy while thinking they have made some bad decisions can you not?

sorry but i dissagree here...
1. when does having a lincence make you a good rider??( take me, i have had one for over 25 years.. i still nowhere near as good as the bunnies in last weekend races!
2. if HE thought he could over take saftely.. good one!
3. who here has NOT sped?
4. i have over tkaen things in that gorge in my VAN!..

HE GOT HIT... he didn't aim at the suv... the suv CUT the corner!

[dnos]

I think ajturbo is right.
the suv cut the corner and hit the bike.
The pricks were crossing the centre line and speeding too.
But unfortunate really, glad your ok man

["D" FZ1]

Glad to hear your OK. If you were a bit closer I would send the workshop ute out to pick your bike up

[Beemer]

sorry but i dissagree here...
1. when does having a lincence make you a good rider??( take me, i have had one for over 25 years.. i still nowhere near as good as the bunnies in last weekend races!
2. if HE thought he could over take saftely.. good one!
3. who here has NOT sped?
4. i have over tkaen things in that gorge in my VAN!..

HE GOT HIT... he didn't aim at the suv... the suv CUT the corner!

And I have to disagree with you!
1. Having NO licence does not mean you cannot ride - it just means you should not be on the road - he admitted he had lost his licence through getting too many demerit points - so he obviously was considered to NOT be a good rider by the law.
2. Thinking you can overtake safely is one thing - overtaking at 100-120kph in the gorge when the speed limit is 80kph and there are double yellow lines all through it is another.
3. Big deal, speed alone wasn't the only factor in his crash.
4. You are a hero, we all bow down before you. A van! You ARE the man...

And by the sound of it, he didn't so much as get hit as end up colliding with a vehicle he was overtaking. Whether the guy cut the corner or not is totally irrelevant - there's no law against cutting corners but there are laws about overtaking on double yellow lines!

I used to ride an RG150 myself so I know what they are and aren't capable of. Sounds like he needs to stop and take a good look at how and why this crash happened and make sure it doesn't happen again. I'd imagine if the driver took the time to pass on his details he most likely took down the bike's rego so a visit from the police is highly likely. I'd be interested to hear how he thinks he can claim it was all the driver's fault.

Sorry, but this is a case of "I fucked up and I paid the price for it". Don't expect any sympathy because I'm afraid I'm not on your side with this one.

[skelstar]

But its good to hear he is ok though eh?

[Ixion]

Valid points, though perhaps just a little harsh?

Demerit points don't really have any relevance to competance , or attitude. The safest, most skilled rider on the road could accumulate 100 in a few weeks just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. They're a lottery and that's all that can be said about them.

A few years ago I would have agreed with you about the unwisdom of overtaking on double yellows, but since the insane yellow line maniac has been so busy painting them on every bit of NZ roads, they have completely lost their meaning and relevance. One simply has to ignore them nowdays.

I don't think the speed is particulalry relevant. 50% on top of any speed limit is usually safe enough, and overtaking a plonker doing 70 you'd pretty much have to wind out to 100 or so. Can't overtke unless you're going faster than he is.

If you think about the line that a bike would take overtaking on a right hander and then returning to the correct side of the road, it's going to be crossing the starboard bow of the USV, and with the rider unsighted.If said SUV decides to put his foot down through the corner to teach young idiot on motorbike a lesson (as they do, as they do), then you pretty much have it.

So my commiserations Mr Klown. Karma came and bit you, you must have stepped on an earthworm in a previous incarnation. But in life you make your
choices and if they go bad you take the consequences.Some of the choices you made were maybe not those that you'd pick with the benefits of hindsight. As you have said . Why I'm always careful where I put my feet when walking, I've made too many stupid choices m'self to risk Earthwormly Wrath.

Best that you can hope for I fear is that Mr Plonker either doesn't report it, or the police file it without investigation. If his vehicle was damaged though his insurance company may be a problem.

Hope it works out for you.

[Devil]

Whether the guy cut the corner or not is totally irrelevant - there's no law against cutting corners...
Try that in front of a cop some time, or myself. Then try and argue that there's no law when myself or the cop has knocked you on your arse.

Would people give up arguing "facts" that they're guessing. The only person with the information here is KLOWN.

Not having a licence doesn't absolve the other driver for (what we've been told) causing an accident. They are two seperate things.

KLOWN, if you're sure of the circumstances, that you were in the "right" as far as speed and a safe passing location goes, then by all means, talk to the cops, but you need to weigh up the benefit vs them kicking your ass for riding without a licence.

[Lias]

I'm undecided on this.

I certainly think that your at least partially at fault, but by the same token your not wholly to blame. At any rate I can say for sure that I am glad you survived a bin at that speed with what sounds like not much more than major damage to your wallet.

Hope the wounds heal and the wallet doesnt get too badly done over.

[Sniper]

Bugger mate. Hope you heal up soon and this sorts itself out ASAP

[KLOWN]

to clarify a few things, I agree i was partly to blame... should not have overtaken on double yellow but I thought it was safe, could see far enough ahead etc. Suv didnt just cut corner but nealy squished me into barrier on the right hand side of road thats why we collided, I ran out of room.
Alot of valid points from everyone. Facts.. I broke the law by riding with out license, doing over posted speed and overtaking on double yellows. The accident wouldn't of happened if he also didn't cross double yellows. (I know that makes me a hypocrite) As i saw it, I started over taking before the bend but he speed up so couldn't get past so decided to continue over taking through the bend, I think he was going to fast for the corner in his car so he was forced to cut to make it round and in the process took me out. I DEFINATLEY could be wrong and he didn't see me and speeding up was just coincidence and if thats the case i'm just shit out of luck. Thanks to everyone for support and advice. Once again i'll say that i'm not bitchin about this accident because i know i made bad choices and got fucked because of them. Car driver was nice to me when i was in the car with them.
Anywho, thanks to everyone once again.

[Devil]

Oohkaaay. In that case, just be happy you got away with your life.
I'd keep quiet on that one then.

[KLOWN]

Went out to lock bike up last night and damage was alot less than i thought.
Fairrings(sp?) were scratched up aswell as tank, clutch lever broken off, left handlebar bent, wing mirror removed gear lever and peg nolonger there but thats about it. Bike started with one kick. It also seemed to go into a straight line when i pushed it, so not the end of the world. I'll post pics of my bike and my gear abit later.

[Two Smoker]

Well... You were in the wrong as was the SUV... So you both end up suffering for your mistakes by fixing your own damage...

devil and ixion put it well... For instance in any vehicle the yellow lines between Bombay and Hamilhole are a joke, as is some of the yellow lines on SH2 at Maramarua...

[R6_kid]

That sucks man but one thing i dont understand:


Coming up on a merc 4X4 so decide to overtake, when i start to pass it speeds up i get level to the rear door just before a right hand corner, all clear around the corner coninue to overtake, merc cuts corner and collects me!

If the driver had accelerated why did you keep trying to pass them? Surely the best option would have been to back off and wait for a better option. I always say to myself that it's better to wait another corner or two and get a clean run on the next few than to kiss the pavement trying to get in one extra good corner.

[ajturbo]

And I have to disagree with you!
4. You are a hero, we all bow down before you. A van! You ARE the man...

.


AT LAST i am the MAN!!!:first:

about fuckin time someone realised this!... i have tried so hard

what's this shit about bowing??? you had better get lower !:blah:



oh and ONE more thing.... how dear you dissagree with me!!!:nono: :nya:

[Quartida]

That sucks man but one thing i dont understand: If the driver had accelerated why did you keep trying to pass them? Surely the best option would have been to back off and wait for a better option. I always say to myself that it's better to wait another corner or two and get a clean run on the next few than to kiss the pavement trying to get in one extra good corner.

Wise words there, gareth.

[Jonathan]

Regardless of whose fault it was, I don't like the fact they wrote on the card "the car you hit". That is unnecessary in my opinion.

I was backed into by a car when it was reversing up a steep hill after I saw it and stopped. The driver did not see me as she was looking over her shoulder and not in the rear view mirror. My front fender got smashed and she said "that's what happens when you go up someone’s bum" as if I hit her! She said it in a joking way but it still left a bitter taste in my mouth.

[terbang]

Allways bad to hear about someone binning it and glad you survived BUT....!
Overtaking on a double yellow line, without a licence on a low HP bike in that gorge...Back to School for you my lad to learn how to ride a bike properly on the road.

[Colapop]

Hey Klown, you got the bike home ok?

[blacksheep]

if you still need a trailer i have one and would be only to happy to help you out call me on 06 353 8585

[Clivoris]

to clarify a few things, I agree i was partly to blame... should not have overtaken on double yellow but I thought it was safe, could see far enough ahead etc. Suv didnt just cut corner but nealy squished me into barrier on the right hand side of road thats why we collided, I ran out of room.
Alot of valid points from everyone. Facts.. I broke the law by riding with out license, doing over posted speed and overtaking on double yellows. The accident wouldn't of happened if he also didn't cross double yellows. (I know that makes me a hypocrite) As i saw it, I started over taking before the bend but he speed up so couldn't get past so decided to continue over taking through the bend, I think he was going to fast for the corner in his car so he was forced to cut to make it round and in the process took me out. I DEFINATLEY could be wrong and he didn't see me and speeding up was just coincidence and if thats the case i'm just shit out of luck. Thanks to everyone for support and advice. Once again i'll say that i'm not bitchin about this accident because i know i made bad choices and got fucked because of them. Car driver was nice to me when i was in the car with them.
Anywho, thanks to everyone once again.
Sound attitude Klown. Glad you and bike relatively ok. Keep learning bro.

[u4ea]

bad luck mate!!!!hope it doesnt take too long for ya to get back into it,better luck next time aye........

[Maha]

Heading back to Palmy through the gorge you would be on the water side when over taking, lucky KLOWN never got wet, that could have been the real down side of an 'off ' on the piece of road........:yes:

[Macktheknife]

I'll prob get some red rep for this but, can't do nothing about it because i have no license, got over 100 demerits and really shouldn't be riding so... no insurance etc. Not complaining though because I made the decison to ride. Just my bad luck I guess (or dumb choice). You live you learn.
I see you chose an appropriate name anyway! lol
Sorry to hear about your off but glad to hear you are basically ok. As you said, you made the decision but lived to learn from it I hope. Heal well and fast.
I hope the 4x4 owner doesnt come after you for damages!

[Zapf]

What's wrong with passing on corners? So long as there is visibility through the corner, nothing coming the other way, usual "so long as stuff".

I know... but if for whatever reason the car driver cuts the corner or suddenly takes a different line then *rider* will be in big *POO* :(

so... don't do it unless you have to... or if u can get pass them faster than they can change their minds....

[Zapf]

What Dafe said: I cant anyone to drag race me! I think its beacuse I ride a bike that looks like a commuter

LOL... where are those pipes?

funny thing today.... CBR954 Vs Vespa.... -- Vespa won... :blah:

I stalled it on launch....

[sugilite]

A few years ago I would have agreed with you about the unwisdom of overtaking on double yellows, but since the insane yellow line maniac has been so busy painting them on every bit of NZ roads, they have completely lost their meaning and relevance. One simply has to ignore them nowdays.


If you think about the line that a bike would take overtaking on a right hander and then returning to the correct side of the road, it's going to be crossing the starboard bow of the USV, and with the rider unsighted.If said SUV decides to put his foot down through the corner to teach young idiot on motorbike a lesson (as they do, as they do), then you pretty much have it.

As has happened in this case. The Gorge never used to be double yellow lines all the way through, there were once plenty of legal passing opputunties through there prior to that being done.
They did it after the big flood, that road is pretty Fcked up now, and that was their cheapskate solution to it.
I can well imagine AJTurbo passing in a van through there, there are areas there where you have enough clear view time to grow a crop of tobacco, dry, roll it and have smoked it before you get to it's end.

Good Luck with it Klown, say as little as possible about it, stealth is your best hope to get through this...

[Meanie]

Bugger clown sorry to hear about your skid mate pleased you are ok
My wife drove thru the george today said she saw your bike this morning but not when she returned so i presume you have it or she just wasnt paying attention
Anywho if its still there and you need to pick it up just holler we are just up the road 027 4540904

[KLOWN]

Thanks everyone for the offers of help. Aj turbo helped me pick it up at about 12pm today. (thanks man) I have been in bed all day after picking it up, I have been sooo tired after it happened must be my body trying to heal and also hard to get a good night sleep when no matter how you lie your sore. From now on i'm definately going to think twice before overtakin. Up until now i though i was a reasonably safe rider, always slowin down when coming to intersections making sure turing cars can see me etc. I guess I just thought i'd be seen on an open road when there is no side traffic and only two lanes of traffic to worry about. but I can count this definately as lesson learnt!!!!!

[Beemer]

Car driver was nice to me when i was in the car with them.
Anywho, thanks to everyone once again.

I bet the driver was nice. I bet the driver also had a quick chat with the A & E staff about that "poor young guy". What's the bet he knows your name, date of birth and blood group by now? And what's the bet his insurance company and the police also have this information?

Glad to hear you're okay - at least you got to live and learn.

[Jantar]

.... but I can count this definately as lesson learnt!!!!!
Good on you for recognising what you did wrong. That lesson may cost you some pain and some $$$, but may also save your life in the future. :yes:

[The Pastor]

lets get this straight, you tired to overtake while riding an rg150? are you nuts? Hope your not liabable and if so that youve got at least 3rd party, mercs are expensive, bikes can be fixed and bones can be healed (usally) thank god that your not serriously hurt!

[skelstar]

LOL... where are those pipes?
Since I cored those stock pipes I havent had any problem with people knowing where I am. They still dont want to race a grandads bike though.

Maybe you should ride a Vespa mate. Autoclutch/CVT! :)

[sAsLEX]

I know... but if for whatever reason the car driver cuts the corner or suddenly takes a different line then *rider* will be in big *POO* :(
.

umm same thing on a straight! You can have yourself bunted in to the scenery just as easily on a straight stretch as a corner, hell I used to pass on the corners in my car, cause fuckers would always speed up on the straights but then nanny round the bends so deal with them whilst you can keep your speed legalish!

And anyways no matter where you are on your bike you should always be looking for an escape route, weather its up a side road, braking hard to use the space behind or up the far right of the road across an oncoming lane you should ALWAYS have a plan on where and how to go if things should go all pear shaped..