Soft sentencing

[dnos]

dunno if you guys have read the paper but i saw this and it pisses me off. He should be sent away for longer than that.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10387569

[Finn]

Actually, I'm sure the offender wanted a longer sentence too. Heated cells, Sky, 3 cooked meals a day, free gym membership, free education, cheap drugs etc, etc, etc.

[Sniper]

Only in NZ mate.

[MrMelon]

Yeah fuck that, that prick's a waste of space and is using up my precious air supply. Sounds like he needs a nice long sentence doing hard labour to keep him off the streets. There are enough nutters on the road without ones like this getting let off all the time.

NZ isn't the only place where retarded shit happens Sniper...

[Swoop]

He'll come out with a post graduate degree in car conversion and "advanced criminal behaviour" also...

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Why could he not be held in preventive detention the same as a rapest when they keep reaffending. It dose not sound like he will ever learn.

[Finn]

Only in NZ mate.

Yip although Swedish prisons are worse. They're like a hotel.

Meanwhile, my girl works in a small class of physically handicapped kids. A very cold class so I brought them a heater. Oh but wait, they're not allowed to use it because of the cost of electricity. WTF? Congratulations on your third world status NZ. You've worked long and hard at it. Well done!

[Damon]

he's been busted that many times he's not allowed to drive again, has another charge pending and then goes out and almost kills some kid, costs the tax payer over $100000 and all he gets a 3 year holiday which will be cut short for "good behaviour" and then he'll go and do it again, what ever happened to preventitive detention? he should be put on a small island and forgoten. :angry:

[Dafe]

It's an attitude that is promoted in this country, in a round about way of course.
The justice system is so weak and pathetic that criminal behaviour isn't of any concern to some New Zealanders.

This government needs a kick up the arse and the Corrections Department should all be sacked, because between the hundreds of them working each day, they have contributed nothing that is bettering the situation.

I say employ a head prison officer from a Texan prison and have him manage the jailing systems.
Also, Bring in a few Aussies or Pom's to take charge of restructuring our justice system. Coz we can't do it.

[WickedOne]

Piss poor sentence, they should have nailed his balls to the wall for much longer than that!!!!!

[Ixion]

Rope is cheap.

[MattRSK]

Quote "Friends said he was so drunk when he agreed to drive two of them home he could barely walk or perform simple tasks."

What the hell is that about. Got some dumbass mates as well.

[Bend-it]

I'm Singaporean... Vote me for corrections minister!! It'll be the end of crime, drugs and chewing gum.

My elections motto: Prevent repeat offending, shoot them the 1st time.

That sounded so cool, I'm gonna add it to my signature

[WickedOne]

Rope is cheap.

Agreed. And I am also in agreement with Bend-it (although before the votnig begins, what is the Singaporian law re speeding (you don't get your throttle hand cut off do you......)

[Blairos]

Whats happened to the concept of "Consecutive" terms, as against concurrent?

I cant say I have ever seen any convicted criminal go down for say, 2 years on each of 2 charges, to be served consecutively ie 4 years total.

I think our judges need to harden up a little and deal to these pricks with a few more sentences of this nature...

[placidfemme]

If they (government) are going to let people like him out on the streets time and time again... possibly ruined this kids life for a long long time to come, and all he gets is 3 years... out on parole on what... a few months? Back to his same old tricks.

The government should implement a system where if they ban someone from driving they should impound the vehicle until the person has proved they are going to sell the vehicle and not keep it.

Then a list should be generated, so finance companies, car dealers and the like will see when he wants to buy a new car that he is not allowed to drive... therefore stopping him from drink driving unless he borrows someone elses car, in which case when (not if) he re-affends, the person who owns the vehicle would know he had no license and so they should also be prosecuted for allowing his to use the car... they won't do it again... and it'll be harder for the guy to get behind the wheel...

If he re-affends again, let the family members of the kid have an hour with him alone... no consequences (sp)... because... he's not really paying his debt to society or the family...

[Squeak the Rat]

Ah, he hasn't changed a bit. I remember the time he got in trouble for burning down an old wooden bus shelter when he was pissed. His defense was that he was cold.

18 years later things obviously haven't changed. A bit worse even, some might say. Do society a favour.............

[Ixion]

,,.

The government should implement a system where if they ban someone from driving they should impound the vehicle until the person has proved they are going to sell the vehicle and not keep it.

Then a list should be generated, so finance companies, car dealers and the like will see when he wants to buy a new car that he is not allowed to drive... ,,..
See, here's why most laws end up failing. Cos they only work with people who are basically law abiding anyway.

If I'm the sort of person such a law would be aimed at, what on earth makes you think I'm going to BUY a car? When there's heaps and heaps to be had for free in every supermarket car park. Just help yourself. Law ineffectual.

[imdying]

The people in the car are just a guilty. They should have the same sentence.

[HenryDorsetCase]

time for some vigilante justice? you know the arsehole's name, and where he lives (Dorkland), and roughly when he will be out (one year i.e. 1/3rd of sentence).

Some of you auks need to be outside the prison and give him a .44 caliber "Welcome back to the real world arsehole" welcome.

to quote Sam Jackson:



The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brothers keeper, and the finder of lost children.

And i willstrike down upon thee with great vengeance and fuuuuuuurious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.



just saying.

[Bend-it]

And I am also in agreement with Bend-it (although before the votnig begins, what is the Singaporian law re speeding (you don't get your throttle hand cut off do you......)

Quick trip to the 2nd-hand shop would do the trick! :blip:

but I'm a Singaporean biker... I'll be campaigning for an ability based licence system allowing different speeds depending on demonstrated ability level, displayed on bike rego and license for both cars and bikes and speed limit free zones (autobahn styles).

EDIT: Oh yeah, and tax cuts

[HenryDorsetCase]

Then a list should be generated, so finance companies, car dealers and the like will see when he wants to buy a new car that he is not allowed to drive... therefore stopping him from drink driving unless he borrows someone elses car, in which case when (not if) he re-affends, the person who owns the vehicle would know he had no license and so they should also be prosecuted for allowing his to use the car... they won't do it again... and it'll be harder for the guy to get behind the wheel...



pointless and unworkable: he wont be driving a nice car it will be some piece of shit that he has bought from one of his mates or the faaarnau. all your suggestion does is penalise law abiding citizens... like most laws.




If he re-affends again, let the family members of the kid have an hour with him alone... no consequences (sp)... because... he's not really paying his debt to society or the family...

I'm with you there. but why keep the fucker in prison: it costs me (the taxpayer) fifty large a year to do it, and its sure as shit nicer than whatever rat infested squat this fucker inhabits.

.303 right between the eyes. Option given to the kid he hit, or his immediate family to be the trigger man. Id pull the trigger in a heartbeat.

in a heartbeat.

[Fooman]

Whats happened to the concept of "Consecutive" terms, as against concurrent?

I cant say I have ever seen any convicted criminal go down for say, 2 years on each of 2 charges, to be served consecutively ie 4 years total.

I think our judges need to harden up a little and deal to these pricks with a few more sentences of this nature...

If you read the actual article, it is consecutive sentences - 10 months for the drink driving, to be served concurrently with 10 weeks for breach of community service PLUS 2 years, 3 months for the hit and run, to be served concurrently with a sentence of 12 months for failing to stop, for a grand total of 3 years 1 month.

The real problem is people like the driver who do not give a shit about the consequences of their actions. Jail isn't going to change them. And there is nothing else that will stop them.

:no:

FM

[WickedOne]

Quick trip to the 2nd-hand shop would do the trick! :blip:

but I'm a Singaporean biker... I'll be campaigning for an ability based licence system allowing different speeds depending on demonstrated ability level, displayed on bike rego and license for both cars and bikes and speed limit free zones (autobahn styles).

EDIT: Oh yeah, and tax cuts

bend-it for PM!!!!!!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Jail isn't going to change them. And there is nothing else that will stop them.

:no:

FM


I can think of one thing . Not only that the fucker might have some useful organs which could be donated to decent people (unlikely I admit.. he is after all a recidivist pisshead so you know, the liver is probably shot, but something might be ok.. he is only 36 this turkey).

[HenryDorsetCase]

bend-it for PM!!!!!!

seconded. I'd vote for that.

[scumdog]

Our judges were all lawyers once, need I say more? (It was a long time ago when they lived in the 'real' world.)

When was the last time anybody got the maximum sentence?

Where is the 'deterent' value of a sentence these days?

[sAsLEX]

Rope is cheap.

jUST USE A BULLET AND DO WHAT THE CHINESE DO AND SEND THE BILL TO HIS FAMILY

[Fooman]

I can think of one thing . Not only that the fucker might have some useful organs which could be donated to decent people (unlikely I admit.. he is after all a recidivist pisshead so you know, the liver is probably shot, but something might be ok.. he is only 36 this turkey).

There is a problem with that arguement - where do you draw the line?

Off to the organ banks for exceeding the speed limit? :nono: I think Larry Niven actually wrote a few stories around that concept IIRC.

FM

[outlawtorn]

the best punishment for arseholes like that is to hypnotise them and tell them that whatever fluid they drink, except for plain water will make them vomit and be violently ill. It will work and then this dumb fuck can only drink water for the rest of his life.....that and castration with a rusty old spoon and a good kick in the teeth!!!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Our judges were all lawyers once, need I say more? (It was a long time ago when they lived in the 'real' world.)

When was the last time anybody got the maximum sentence?

Where is the 'deterent' value of a sentence these days?

yes judges were all lawyers... but say my area of expertise is tax or insolvency and I get to be a QC.... then get appointed to the bench... what the hell would I know about criminal stuff? Plus, the sentencing rules are pretty rigid, as I understand it.

FIIK really, but I think we all live in the "Real" world. I just think that sentences for minor stuff are too hard, for big stuff are too little, and the concept of hard labour, and the death penalty should be reintroduced.

[Bend-it]

That's right. People in jail should be made to work for their living. Have them at manufacturing plants making all the stuff we import fron China. 100 fridge magnets a day means you get 3 meals the next. 33 magnets per meal, and 1 extra for good measure.

Or t-shirts printed, or the silver fern painted on a coaster, cheese board sets tied in pretty ribbons and packed in a box, whatever.

This could then be sold to tourists and the like to pay for food for the prisoners.

[WickedOne]

the best punishment for arseholes like that is to hypnotise them and tell them that whatever fluid they drink, except for plain water will make them vomit and be violently ill. It will work and then this dumb fuck can only drink water for the rest of his life.....that and castration with a rusty old spoon and a good kick in the teeth!!!

I like the way you think!!!

[Squeak the Rat]

I'm not a fan of harsh sentences as a rule. Not every one should get a maximum sentence as a default, even in cases like this. Judges should be able to make calls based on circumstances.

This guy though has proven himself years ago to be a complete loonie, with multiple convictions and offences. He isn't going to learn. He finally fucked up big, and he gets a relatively light slap on the wrist.

If it takes this long in ones career and one still isn't given the maximum, then who the hell will get it and how much of a bad-arse do you need to be?

PS - I know some one who imported ecstacy for the use of himself and his immediate friends. He got twice the sentence. Who's the bigger menace? Hint - One killed a few consenting adults brain cells, the other killed an innocent person.

[Bend-it]

seconded. I'd vote for that.

Woohoo!! 2 down, 2 million more to go...

[placidfemme]

See, here's why most laws end up failing. Cos they only work with people who are basically law abiding anyway.

If I'm the sort of person such a law would be aimed at, what on earth makes you think I'm going to BUY a car? When there's heaps and heaps to be had for free in every supermarket car park. Just help yourself. Law ineffectual.

Unfortunatley.... your right :(

Most likely a stolen car, and chances are his mates are similar people to himself and so they wouldn't blink an eye to letting him drive thier car...

We all know what the problem is.... but thinking of a fool proof solution... is very hard...

[pritch]

Quick trip to the 2nd-hand shop would do the trick! :blip:

That's worth green :-)

[John Banks]

Just more proof that our government needs to change. (I'm talking about 'democracy', not Labour)

[James Deuce]

Meanwhile, my girl works in a small class of physically handicapped kids. A very cold class so I brought them a heater. Oh but wait, they're not allowed to use it because of the cost of electricity. WTF? Congratulations on your third world status NZ. You've worked long and hard at it. Well done!

That's a different issue altogether. Physically and intellectually people in NZ are discriminated against at an institutional level throughout NZ.

[James Deuce]

Just more proof that our government needs to change. (I'm talking about 'democracy', not Labour)

Agreed. We need a benevolent dictatorship with a decent internal security minister, with a sub-department dedicated to "disappearance".

[oldrider]

With a background like his, Dowling should have been charged with attempted murder and sentenced accordingly.

He already knew that he would be likely to kill or maim someone if he drank and drove again but he did it anyway.

How many more like (Dowling) him are still out there?

Bloody Judges and Lawyers need to take a good look at themselves too. :nono:

[Finn]

That's a different issue altogether. Physically and intellectually people in NZ are discriminated against at an institutional level throughout NZ.

I agree and to demostrate this I compared how we are comfortable heating the cells of criminals, yet we can't be bothered providing a warm environment for kids. There are also cases of 21 year olds with Autism having to live in rest homes. Nasty stuff.

[HenryDorsetCase]

There is a problem with that arguement - where do you draw the line?

Off to the organ banks for exceeding the speed limit? :nono: I think Larry Niven actually wrote a few stories around that concept IIRC.

FM

I do recall it from the Ringworld series.

[Squeak the Rat]

I agree and to demostrate this I compared how we are comfortable heating the cells of criminals, yet we can't be bothered providing a warm environment for kids. There are also cases of 21 year olds with Autism having to live in rest homes. Nasty stuff.
Fucking Autistics. I just lost half a weeks wages on those buggars.


P/T = it was a donation, i funnily enough made it 1 minute before reading this.


:Offtopic: As you were....

[Dafe]

Christine Rankin is as thick as the rest of our politicians.

Have a read of this....

http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/default.asp?id=63257

Apparantly, NZers are too soft on the issue. The issue lies with the government, since when has the current government listened to the public?
They make their own decisions.

Whats even funnier is Christine Rankin has challenged Parekura Horomia to solve the problem :rofl:

What next from the funny farm?

[Edbear]

all your suggestion does is penalise law abiding citizens... like most laws.


????? Wasn't she referring to convicted repeat offenders?

[Edbear]

With a background like his, Dowling should have been charged with attempted murder and sentenced accordingly.
He already knew that he would be likely to kill or maim someone if he drank and drove again but he did it anyway.
How many more like (Dowling) him are still out there?



Hear, hear!

[Indoo]

The family should really sue the justice system, its really quite pathetic and inexcusable.

The first offence for drunk driving should be as it is, 6 months disqualification, afterall some idiots will make a mistake. However any further occasions after that are simply inexcusable, anyone caught driving drunk a second time should be sentenced to a minimum of 6 months imprisonment. A third time 3 years and after that preventive detention should be introduced.

The publics right to safety should be paramount, in *all* sentencing, unfortunately it rarely is until the recividist offender does something so horrific but completely predictable, that the justice system has no choice, ie William Bell etc. It should never have to come to that for something to be done, peoples lives seem to be just pawns in the ridiculous game that judges and lawyers play.

[grandpa_dave]

".303 right between the eyes. Option given to the kid he hit, or his immediate family to be the trigger man. Id pull the trigger in a heartbeat."

Why use a bullet? Come on what about thinking clean and green?

Rope is not only cheap.... but recyclable....:yes:

[jimbo600]

Fuck putting him away. Cunts like that are just plain useless. Pharmac should use him for medical experiments, or just harvest him for organ donations. Thats the only way he'll ever be of any use to anyone.

[Wolf]

There is a problem with that arguement - where do you draw the line?

Off to the organ banks for exceeding the speed limit? :nono: I think Larry Niven actually wrote a few stories around that concept IIRC.

FM
He did. And even jaywalking carried the death penalty as the rich and powerful (who lived hundreds of years due to organ transplants) had a constant need for fresh organs to replace those that wore out.

On account of those stories, laws were passed in the USA that stated no one can be forced to donate any part of their body for harvesting (including blood) - it occurred to them that ever since accurate blood typing the possibility was there that condemned criminals could have faced death by exsanguination to "repay" society for their crimes with their own blood. The idea scared them enough that they passed the laws to stop (make it more difficult for?) a future government to institute an organ harvesting program from the bodies of condemned criminals - thus preventing Niven's dystopia.


But back on track:

Hope the bastard gets rogered up the arse with a broom handle every day of the time he's inside.

[Finn]

See, this is the shit I'm talking about... Right from the bitches mouth and she's proud of it.

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New 'world class' women's prison opened

4.00pm Thursday June 22, 2006

A new women's prison, described by the Government as a world class facility designed to help inmates turn their lives around, opened in Auckland today.

The National Party said it was an outrageous waste of money with each bed costing more than the average price of a house in the city.

Prime Minister Helen Clark opened the Auckland Region Women's Corrections Facility, and Corrections Minister Damien O'Connor said it would be highly effective in terms of safety, security and rehabilitation.

"This is New Zealand's first purpose-built prison for women and is a world-class facility," he said.

"It is not gold plated. It is a functional facility that has been carefully designed to provide state-of-the-art security while giving prisoners every opportunity to rehabilitate themselves with the aim of reducing re-offending."

National's law and order spokesman, Simon Power, said it represented irresponsible use of taxpayers' money.

"In April 2003 it was originally estimated to cost $58.4 million, but the latest figure we have from the department, as at April 2006, was for a cost of $158 million," he said.

"That is outrageous, and means each bed has cost the taxpayer an incredible $552,450. That compares with the median house price in Auckland of $400,000."

- NZPA

[diggydog]

I can't stop thinking of the judges, who sentence these crimes, don't they have final word, we all no that a judge dos'nt say you are guilty or not, then why are they're so soft on it.:blip:
Bugger it shoot them well at least in the legs and work your way up, depending on the crime.:nya: