Taxation without representation - the Auckland Tea Party

[SARGE]

i presently pay over 1/3 of my pay in taxes.. thats before i even SEE my paycheck..

not to mention the Petrol Taxes.. GST.. tax on smokes..

lets look at what we get for that ..

well maintained roads

reliable power supplies

anything else?

oh yea .. Otter capture

[placidfemme]

well maintained roads

reliable power supplies

anything else?

oh yea .. Otter capture

and a great government (pt)

[cowpoos]

well more than half the cunt-ry voted for the lay-boar guvermint....and there four....more than half this web site did....arses....I bet they ride honda's and yamahahahaha's....lets linch them!!!

[Ixion]

Well, I certainly don't begrudge the otter. Goodly beasts. And, karma, y'never know. What goes round comes round, help rescue an otter in this life and he rescues you in the next one. Maybe.

[placidfemme]

Well, I certainly don't begrudge the otter. Goodly beasts. And, karma, y'never know. What goes round comes round, help rescue an otter in this life and he rescues you in the next one. Maybe.

Well otters are cute... but the governments not paying to catch it right? The zoo is (correct me if I'm wrong)

[ManDownUnder]

i presently pay over 1/3 of my pay in taxes.. thats before i even SEE my paycheck..

oh yea .. Otter capture

Good point... we should have them sitting around doing nothing? I thought that would be abld the same cost to us taxpayers?

Wouldn't it be more appropriate if the US Navy Seals helped? Some of them good ol' boys could have there'selves a BARBEEKEW!

[Ixion]

No body actually paying as I understand. Zoo's asked folk around devonport (which logically includes the Navy bods) to keep an eye out. Hopefully the Navy being full of bright eyed , super alert, on the ball , watchfull fellas and fellaettes, they should spot him real fast.

[James Deuce]

Rates irritate me. Local Govt. is all about taxation without representation. The bastards have elections but never let you know that the election is on until two minutes before you have to vote and then you're supposed to vote for 30 people. By the time you've tracked down the info needed to vote for the nepotistic bastards the election is done.

Then they charge you the price of a nice 2nd hand dirt bike for a library card and some flower beds in the CBD.

[Colapop]

Does the Otter want to be "rescued"?

[ManDownUnder]

No body actually paying as I understand. Zoo's asked folk around devonport (which logically includes the Navy bods) to keep an eye out. Hopefully the Navy being full of bright eyed , super alert, on the ball , watchfull fellas and fellaettes, they should spot him real fast.

Not to mention thermal imaging, all manner of clever detection type devices etc...

I've got my money on a the left front tyre of Corolla finding it first though. At approximately 65 kph

*ka-dump ka-dump*.... "hey - I gues that means we can call that search off"

[SARGE]

Well, I certainly don't begrudge the otter. Goodly beasts. And, karma, y'never know. What goes round comes round, help rescue an otter in this life and he rescues you in the next one. Maybe.


or just drag his ass back to prison where the little ratbag belongs .. instead of letting him live in his natural habitat..


kharma is a motherfucker

[cowpoos]

Rates irritate me. Local Govt. is all about taxation without representation.


didn't realise you were a rural voter?

[James Deuce]

HUtt City Council buddy. They don't even do rubbish pickups any more, it costs you money if you report a problem with the council owned entry to your driveway, and $500 for them to remove a derelict car.

If your mains water supply fucks out, ring a plumber. The council will charge you $100 to look at it.

[Ixion]

or just drag his ass back to prison where the little ratbag belongs .. instead of letting him live in his natural habitat..


kharma is a motherfucker

Well, if we had something like a natural habitat for her , with other otters and stuff , I'd agree. But reality is , that if they don't catch her she'll either be squashed by a car, killed by a dog, or starve to death, not many fish filled streams around Devonport these days.

[sAsLEX]

HUtt City Council buddy. They don't even do rubbish pickups any more, it costs you money if you report a problem with the council owned entry to your driveway, and $500 for them to remove a derelict car.

If your mains water supply fucks out, ring a plumber. The council will charge you $100 to look at it.



And they are raising your rates for the 06-07 year as well?!?

[cowpoos]

HUtt City Council buddy. They don't even do rubbish pickups any more, it costs you money if you report a problem with the council owned entry to your driveway, and $500 for them to remove a derelict car.

If your mains water supply fucks out, ring a plumber. The council will charge you $100 to look at it.

rubbish pick ups...pifft never happened rural...mains water you say....pifft....still pay for it though....do you want me to carrie on??

rating on land value...fair??? hmmm....how about they rate on income like income tax 99.9% of farmers and rural dwellers would love that!!!

the rates payed by the owners of the farm I'm sharemilking on is $11,067 for 480ha...which 92ha is in a long term leased DOC controled wetlands [and don't get me started on those useless fucks] and we still pay big rates for that portion of the farm

[James Deuce]

Don't forget to give Forest & Bird some shit.

[cowpoos]

Don't forget to give Forest & Bird some shit.




oooooooh......and fish and game..........Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..........fuck it....I'm gunna go down the lake and fire shots over the lake and piss off all the duckshooters this afternoon...!!!!!!!!!! teach the cunts for leaving my gates open......

[James Deuce]

Now that is definitely deserved. I'll pop over and carry your reloads mate.

Leave gates open and die, I say.

[RantyDave]

[LEFT]HUtt City Council buddy ... $500 for them to remove a derelict car.
What, even if it's not yours?

Jeez, that's a bit rich.

Dave

[merv]

That's what happens when they get all uppity and think they are Hutt City instead of the official name of Lower Hutt, someone has to pay for the appearances.

[James Deuce]

What, even if it's not yours?

Jeez, that's a bit rich.

Dave

There was a stripped shell at the end of thr driveway on blocks. Rang up, "We'll be right round. That will be $500."

"Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat - F__k Off!"

GOt the lads round, borrowed the flat deck Toyota from the In-Laws - and then paid $50 to drop it in the landfill - Geez!

[Hitcher]

Capital value rating is archaic. Local body charges should be levied on services provided to residents, and not just to property owners. And there should be some accountability for cost increases. Local body rate hikes are a significant contributor to inflation, and councillors should be made to explain their "costs plus" mentality.

[merv]

Now over in the lovely Porirua, Finn would like this, last year they must have changed the rating formulas, because the rates on higher value houses went down while those on cheaper houses went up. Make the peasants pay seemed to be the theme.

[cowpoos]

Now that is definitely deserved. I'll pop over and carry your reloads mate.

Leave gates open and die, I say.

I got two shotguns to use at my wim??? and theres some canadian gooses down there at the moment too....sitting on the water??? throw a stone....dinner is served?

[sAsLEX]

There was a stripped shell at the end of thr driveway on blocks. Rang up, "We'll be right round. That will be $500."

"Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat - F__k Off!"

GOt the lads round, borrowed the flat deck Toyota from the In-Laws - and then paid $50 to drop it in the landfill - Geez!

I would of just dumped in on some coucil reserve at night- cost to you free

[James Deuce]

Can't. I have RCS.

It's my parent's fault.

[cowpoos]

RCS???????????? errr what?

[James Deuce]

Responsible Citizen Syndrome.

[cowpoos]

Responsible Citizen Syndrome.

really......never speed either do ya.....hmmm

[James Deuce]

If a tree falss in the woods, and no one is there to hear it, blah, blah, blah

[Finn]

Ah fuck, I've got so much to say here.

Yes we're are overtaxed, currently to the tune of 8 billion dollars. This is daylight robery. In theory, Governments should only tax the people enough to run core services and infrastructure, that's it. Not only are we being overtaxed, but we all have very little to show for it. Regardless of previous governments, NZ always just manages to get by. Not a very dynamic country at all and we are not taking seriously on an international scale. What's more is the future is looking very bleek indeed. Social welfare is a real problem. For years we have been dishing out money yet our social problems have got much worse. Givers get takers - simple.

On the rates front, we're actually quite cheap compared to other countries. However we still don't have much to show for what we do pay. The problem with Auckland is there are just too many Councils wasting money. I do some business with them and the waste makes me sick. Another note is that rates are calculated on property value - another rich tax basically. This is unfair cause 2 neighbours living next door to each other will use the community services equally. Why should the person with a house worth 200k more pay more?

[Wolf]

What, even if it's not yours?

Jeez, that's a bit rich.

Dave
No, Dave, that's how the council gets rich...

[Wolf]

Why should the person with a house worth 200k more pay more?
Person spends his/her money to buy a better house/section - say, right on the beach front - and spends money to improve it to increase its value. Council, who did not supply the beach and has done absolutely nothing to enhance the value of the property, ups the rates.

What a pack of fucking criminals!

I heard of some poor shit living at the end of a "private road" (fucking long driveway shared with his neighbour) that he and his neighbour built and paid for, getting his water from the roof, sending his waste to a septic tank (which gets pumped out at his expense if full) and being charged something like an extra $3000 on top of what his neighbour is paying for rates - because his property is more valuable.

The council is not supplying him with anything more than they supply his neighbour - they're actually supplying nothing more than a rural road that doesn't even go past his property - and yet they feel justified in charging him $3K extra for his property because it is on the beach front (a fact that already cost him a pretty penny when he purchased the land).

Time for itemised bills from those bastards, I think - for each and every service they provide, the value of house and land does not enter into it. No mains water supply, no sewerage, no rubbish pick-up = SFA in rates, just to cover roading - based on how close your house is to the road. If you have to drive over 500 metres from the council-supplied roading to get to your house, they should start paying you a "rebate".

[Finn]

Not to mention the elderly who have been forgotten. They spent their entire lives working their arses off (not like us), paying tax and they're being screwed from all angles. Some of them may be sitting on a $500,000 house and can't afford electricity let alone rates.

[SpankMe]

Fuck the otter. If I see it, I'll shoot it. Otter pelts make nice glove lining.

[Motu]

They smell bad,reeaal bad.

[Oscar]

well more than half the cunt-ry voted for the lay-boar guvermint....and there four....more than half this web site did....arses....I bet they ride honda's and yamahahahaha's....lets linch them!!!


I dunno about you, Spanky - but when I went to school 39.9% was less than half...

[The Stranger]

rubbish pick ups...pifft never happened rural...mains water you say....pifft....still pay for it though....do you want me to carrie on??

rating on land value...fair??? hmmm....how about they rate on income like income tax 99.9% of farmers and rural dwellers would love that!!!

the rates payed by the owners of the farm I'm sharemilking on is $11,067 for 480ha...which 92ha is in a long term leased DOC controled wetlands [and don't get me started on those useless fucks] and we still pay big rates for that portion of the farm

Faarrk, you guys get it sheep.
Come live in Waitakere City, Ok we get... well we get.... something I guess.
Let me see rubbish pick up is user pays, water is user pays. Oh I know, we are getting a lot of new traffic lights and a big new council building.

Only $2,700 pa for about 150 m2 of land (single unit in unit title)

[Oscar]

i presently pay over 1/3 of my pay in taxes.. thats before i even SEE my paycheck..

not to mention the Petrol Taxes.. GST.. tax on smokes..

lets look at what we get for that ..

well maintained roads

reliable power supplies

anything else?

oh yea .. Otter capture

So don't you vote?

[Jantar]

Well I am a rural owner.

We: Maintain our own 1 km long private raod; have a septic tank which we maintain; pay for our own water supply; pay a contractor to collect our rubbish; etc etc. Rough cost of $2200 pa

For all these non-council services we pay rates of $576 pa. So its very similar overall to what CaN pays in Waitakere.

[SARGE]

So don't you vote?


nope..i dont think im eligible to vote in NZ.. only a resident not a citizen

[Oscar]

nope..i dont think im eligible to vote in NZ.. only a resident not a citizen

Residents can vote.
Perhaps we should make ourselves familiar with the system before we use phrases like "..without representation.."

[Hitcher]

Perhaps we should make ourselves familiar with the system before we use phrases like "..without representation.."
What, and fuck up a perfectly good uninformed rant?

[Madness]

Hutt City Council and a few others around the country contract Excell Corporation for a lot of it's maintenance and service work. Last time I heard, Excell was owned by Eric Watson a man who knows how to make a buck.

If a vehicle is abandoned outside your property call the police. They should come and check it out and if obviously abandoned, they will arrange collection with council. The police probably get charged $400 for being such good customers.

[WINJA]

and a great government (pt)
YOU AND SARGE BOTH KNOW WHERE THE AIRPORT IS

[SARGE]

Residents can vote.
Perhaps we should make ourselves familiar with the system before we use phrases like "..without representation.."


you let people who dont have a stake in the future of NZ vote for your government???


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


its all so clear now...

[SARGE]

YOU AND SARGE BOTH KNOW WHERE THE AIRPORT IS


yea Winjer old bean.. and you know where my ass is :shake:

[Flatcap]

yea Winjer old bean.. and you know where my ass is :shake:


That would be in the paddock eating grass

Your Arse, however, would be that moon-like monstrosity peering at us over your lowriding Levis

[Finn]

YOU AND SARGE BOTH KNOW WHERE THE AIRPORT IS

I know the general direction of the Airport but local government has made sure it's fucken hard to get there. There's not even a motorway there from the city. Samoa has one, but we probably paid for it.

[Oscar]

you let people who dont have a stake in the future of NZ vote for your government???


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


its all so clear now...

As an American it should be very clear to you and it goes to the root of your statement - (no) taxation without representation. If you live here (for the minimum period, I think it's three years) and pay taxes, you should get a say.

I think you'll find it's the same in most democracies.

[SARGE]

As an American it should be very clear to you and it goes to the root of your statement - (no) taxation without representation. If you live here (for the minimum period, I think it's three years) and pay taxes, you should get a say.

I think you'll find it's the same in most democracies.


not in the States.. you have to have Citizenship to cast your vote.. ( not like it matters) also you can have your voting rights revoked if you are convicted of a felony or tax evasion. we also have the Write-In option where we can write anyones name down from dogcatcher to president

i dont vote on a party line when i vote.. we actually have a few months to research candidates before election day .. not like here where the PM can call for a vote whenever her numbers are right.

(guess i shouldnt throw stones though.. look what MY vote counted for last time in the States..:shutup:)

if residents can vote .. whats to stop a foreign state from loading NZ up with citizens and turning the vote after a few years? ( Welcome to the City Of Sails - New Bejing)

[Oscar]

not in the States.. you have to have Citizenship to cast your vote.. ( not like it matters) also you can have your voting rights revoked if you are convicted of a felony or tax evasion. we also have the Write-In option where we can write anyones name down from dogcatcher to president

i dont vote on a party line when i vote.. we actually have a few months to research candidates before election day .. not like here where the PM can call for a vote whenever her numbers are right.

(guess i shouldnt throw stones though.. look what MY vote counted for last time in the States..:shutup:)

if residents can vote .. whats to stop a foreign state from loading NZ up with citizens and turning the vote after a few years? ( Welcome to the City Of Sails - New Bejing)

Don't you find it slightly ironic that one of the USA's founding principals (no taxation without representation) is not applied to to a significant minority?

There is no way a foreign state could "load" NZ with citizens - we're talking residents here, not visitors. As you would know, getting residency in NZ is not easy....

[terbang]

YOU AND SARGE BOTH KNOW WHERE THE AIRPORT IS

Yep I also noticed who the 2 opening posts were from as well. From the whingieng poms of the 70's to...?

[The_Dover]

You have to be in the country legally to vote. I'm pretty sure even people on work permits can vote, ie tax residents. If you pay tax you have a say.

[Oscar]

Yep I also noticed who the 2 opening posts were from as well. From the whingieng poms of the 70's to...?


I suggest you invest in a spellcheck.
When you get it, look up "xenophobic whiner".

[SARGE]

You have to be in the country legally to vote. I'm pretty sure even people on work permits can vote, ie tax residents. If you pay tax you have a say.


isnt that a bit scary?.. i mean shit man.. whats to stop half a million Chinese from moving here, buying a load of property, opening Fush n Chup shops, paying taxes and voting for Winston Peters?

[The_Dover]

Why is scary? Illegal immigrants still can't vote

[placidfemme]

Ok, just to change the topic a little bit... at the moment everyone is pretty much saying that Helen Clark sucks and does a shit job... And I agree, but looking at all the other MPs we can vote for I don't really like any of the other options either... who would be best to take over?

[Oscar]

isnt that a bit scary?.. i mean shit man.. whats to stop half a million Chinese from moving here, buying a load of property, opening Fush n Chup shops, paying taxes and voting for Winston Peters?


I had assumed that you've been through the process required to gain residency in NZ. Maybe you haven't - please stand where you are until the Officers from Internal Affairs arrive...:Police:

[SARGE]

I had assumed that you've been through the process required to gain residency in NZ. Maybe you haven't - please stand where you are until the Officers from Internal Affairs arrive...:Police:


yea.. im a resident Oscar.. but heres MY take on this ..

i was not born here.. i cannot apply for Citizenship here (various reasons).. i have no real long term commitment to NZ as a country.. why should i have the PRIVILAGE of helping to shape your future?

[terbang]

look, Mr Oscar spelling police, I have lived in qute a few countries as a Palangi, Buleh or Auslandisch and have felt the lash of Xenophobia many times. And one thing I learnt was that I didn't understand the full history and background of many issues within any country and that listening was a lot better than having a loud and critical voice.

[The_Dover]

Good point Sarge, look at how much you and your people have fucked up your own country.

[Oscar]

look, Mr Oscar spelling police, I have lived in qute a few countries as a Palangi, Buleh or Auslandisch and have felt the lash of Xenophobia many times. And one thing I learnt was that I didn't understand the full history and background of many issues within any country and that listening was a lot better than having a loud and critical voice.


So explain:


From the whingieng poms of the 70's to...?

Give us the full history and background of that comment...?

[Big Dave]

I reckon I pay less tax here than in NSW.
Same business, different customers.