Dog Chips

[placidfemme]

I've been reading the whole saga on giving dogs chips and so forth...

Now seems that farmers are exempt from this new law...

Why are people so anti having dogs chipped? And why are farmers exempt from this new law, I can't seem to figure it out...

[Fishy]

dog chips..... don't think they will ever be as popular as salt & vinegar IMO :yes:

[Sniper]

Why are people so anti having dogs chipped? And why are farmers exempt from this new law, I can't seem to figure it out...

Working dogs shouldnt need to be chipped. They are locked up at night and used for their purpouse. They are still loved animals but I dont think you need to worry about them taking a dump on your front lawn.

Besides, its damn expensive to chip dogs and most farmers have at least 3 or 4. Not cheap when you think of it.

[ajturbo]

whats the point of having them chipped???
what are the benifits?

why waste my money on a chip?... i have a plastic tag that goes on the collar.... just got to find the collars now!..

my dogs come when i call
they sit when asked/told.

what will a chip do to improve them???????????????????????????????????????

[SimJen]

Farmers dogs are always cruising past my place by themselves.....looking for a bitch or two :)
Farmers main argument is that they keep their dogs on their own land....bullshit and I've got the crap on my lawn to prove it.

[ajturbo]

Working dogs shouldnt need to be chipped. They are locked up at night and used for their purpouse. They are still loved animals but I dont think you need to worry about them taking a dump on your front lawn.

Besides, its damn expensive to chip dogs and most farmers have at least 3 or 4. Not cheap when you think of it.

shit .. am i suppose to lock em away at night... does that mean i should have my front gate shut also??:nya:

the only time i lock my boys away is when i go away for more than an hr... :rockon:

[Sniper]

Sorry AJ.

A bit of a generalisation by me. A few Farmers I have met in Marlborough used to lock the dogs away at night. But not all of them....

[placidfemme]

Farmers dogs are always cruising past my place by themselves.....looking for a bitch or two :)
Farmers main argument is that they keep their dogs on their own land....bullshit and I've got the crap on my lawn to prove it.

Yeah but how will a chip change that?

Unless you are going to take the effort (and possible risk) of catching the dog, getting the council or whoever to pick it up..... scan it... and then what? Fine the farmer? Put the dog down? Get the farmer to pick the shit up?

I don't see what a dog chip solves?

[Dooly]

The people that the chipping is supposedly aimed at, wont even have their dogs reg anyway, so once again, Joe Average pays.

[ajturbo]

Sorry AJ.

A bit of a generalisation by me. A few Farmers I have met in Marlborough used to lock the dogs away at night. But not all of them....


hahaha that's cool... the farmer here puts his dogs away at night. i just dont need to, they hang around here untill they think i'm making a move to the gate and a run... then all hell breaks loose...they are going for a run.......ummmmm maybe:blip:

[Biohazard]

dog chips..... don't think they will ever be as popular as salt & vinegar IMO :yes:

Damn you Fishslayer, you beet me to it :weep: funny though mate :blip:

[ManDownUnder]

It's stupid.

1) Catch the dog outside or being a menace or being an illegal breed
2) Impound it
3) 3 days later put it down or sell it to a restaurant of suitable ethnicity (j/k)

Eventually those without brains will workout their dog is gone - forever and they have to get a new one.

What does chipping do

[Paul in NZ]

it will be so watered down all that will happen is the Vets and chip makers will make some $$.

It ONLY works if mr Dog ranger sees dog, dog has chip OK, dog has no chip, kaboom. Dog dead...

But thats FAR to scary so it will just mean all the people that try and obey the rules will get it done and the bad people won't and there will be no consequences for not doing it.

Stupid!

[Sniper]

What happens when the dog is given away or sold?

[placidfemme]

Well so far the only logical reason I can see for dogs having chips (other than the government getting ready and practising for when they plan to chip you and me)

Is in the case of dogs that maul people (mostly kids :(). But in 90%+ of those cases, the owner hasn't got the dog registered, let alone admit it was thier dog to start with (unless someone in the area recognised the mutt)

Otherwise I feel it is yet another waste of taxpayers money, and pet owners money.

[Colapop]

"It'S ONLY THE FIRST STEP!! WE'LL ALL BE CHIPPED. IT'S JUST AN INSIDIOUS PLOT. THEY WANT TO CONTROL OUR MINDS. QUICK EVERYONE GET YOUR TIN FOIL HATS ON...." Sue Bradford on dog chipping (abridged for the sake of clarity...)

[Deano]

The people that the chipping is supposedly aimed at, wont even have their dogs reg anyway, so once again, Joe Average pays.

You're onto it Dooly.

My wife and I have two dogs, aged 13 and 12 (both getting a bit deaf and senile now - the dogs that is ).

We've been responsible dog owners (registered with Council) for the past 5 years, so we get a discount off the fee.

With our history of being RDO's, and no problems ever, and the fact the dogs are getting quite old (prob another few years alive at most) - will I need to chip them ? Pretty expensive excercise considering all of the above, and it will achieve NOTHING.

Seems bloody ridiculous to me.

[Hitcher]

This is just plain and simple bad legislation. It was conceived in haste after a young girl was savagely attacked by an unrestrained dog in an Auckland park.

In reality, at-risk dogs that are currently unregistered will also be unchipped. Having a chip inserted will not stop dogs attacking people. The rationale for dog chipping is like saying that registration plates on cars prevent road accidents.

If sense and reason prevails, at some stage this dumb legislation will be overturned.

[Deano]

"It'S ONLY THE FIRST STEP!! WE'LL ALL BE CHIPPED. IT'S JUST AN INSIDIOUS PLOT. THEY WANT TO CONTROL OUR MINDS. QUICK EVERYONE GET YOUR TIN FOIL HATS ON...." Sue Bradford on dog chipping (abridged for the sake of clarity...)

Yep - ever read Revelations with relation to the mark of the beast ?

The end is nigh. (Please don't take this as an invitation to rant Zed :blip: P/T)

[Winston001]

This is just plain and simple bad legislation. It was conceived in haste after a young girl was savagely attacked by an unrestrained dog in an Auckland park.


Agreed. The problem is that no MP wants to seen voting against it because that looks like a big tick to vicious dogs. The best they can do is water it down.

Having said that, dogs are chipped elsewhere in the world - Ireland and Oz for eg. It would be helpful if the public could be told of those countries experiences and whether there is any real benefit.

I'm pro-farmer but if dog chips are imposed, then logic says "all for one and one for all". The moment you introduce exceptions, a whole can of worms opens. (If that is mixing metaphors I did it on porpoise).

[Filterer]

I have worked for two summers for the "dog rangers" in auckland city a few years back so I think I have a reasonably good idea of the pros and cons of the situations.

Now forgive if Im wrong but I believe that the new law says that any NEWLY registered dogs will have to be chipped, its not like the farmers are going to have to go get all of their dogs chipped at $50 a dog straight away costing them $$$$$, rather that (assuming their dogs are currently registered) they will only be paying each time they get a new dog.

Now people say i pay my fees and i get my little tag that i put on my dogs collar and they always have it on. You would be surprised the number of the buggers that have either been tied up by their collar and slipped their heads through them to get out or they simply fall off when the dogs are squeezing through that tiny hole in your fence.

The idea is to allow the dog rangers to immediatly be able to identify such dogs, if we can identify the dog straight away, the dog is registered and clearly an accident has occured and beloved jack has slipped out an open door then our first step is to go to the registered dog owners address and try to return the dog. If we cannot get hold of the owner then the dog goes for a trip up to the kennels in silverdale - a reasonable 35+ min drive each way for some areas in auckland.

As many people also say is that the people who cause the most problems are the people who are not going to register their dog anyway or lie/cheat or steal a registration tag. Its a bit fucking harder to steal a microchip! The idea is that in the long run it will be impossible to get a dog without a microchip so we can trace the problem dogs back to their owners and deal with them appropiatly.

If you can then assume that all "legal" dogs have a microchip then seperating true strays and probelm dogs is 10x easier, now im not suggesting that if we find one without a microchip that we pull out our shotgun (not that the city officers have them anyway) and shoot them straight away but they can be on the fast track to the kennels - no excuses/i lost my rego etc etc etc.

However if farm dogs are exempt (and the same for all working dogs in my opinion) them this assumption is no longer true so the benefits go out the window

[Flatcap]

This is just plain and simple bad legislation. It was conceived in haste after a young girl was savagely attacked by an unrestrained dog in an Auckland park.

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And this is just another hobby horse for the Labour Government. You would think there are more important things to occupy the attention of these fools....junior doctors perhaps...

[Filterer]

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The rationale for dog chipping is like saying that registration plates on cars prevent road accidents.
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Sure they dont but it stops people getting away with runners after accidents,

[Motu]

Same as the gun law - the wrong people still have guns.And a lot of people getting hot under the collar about a percieved problem - Filterer says there is a grandfather clause,only newly registered dogs will be chipped.But it's fun to get upset I guess.

[Jantar]

I have worked for two summers for the "dog rangers" in auckland city a few years back so I think I have a reasonably good idea of the pros and cons of the situations.....

The idea is to allow the dog rangers to immediatly be able to identify such dogs, if we can identify the dog straight away, the dog is registered and clearly an accident has occured and beloved jack has slipped out an open door then our first step is to go to the registered dog owners address and try to return the dog. If we cannot get hold of the owner then the dog goes for a trip up to the kennels in silverdale - a reasonable 35+ min drive each way for some areas in auckland.....

So tell us, How do you manage carrying that micro chip reader with you?

At present there are no micro chip readers down here in the deep south, but the Dunedin City Council has ordered one at a cost of $4000 (according to the ODT) and hopes to have it installed in the pound sometime in July. Our local district council does not yet have one, and has no intention of getting one. The Law only states that dogs must be chipped, it doesn't state that the chips must be able to read by any particular officer.

My reading on it is that if a dog is caught, and doesn't have its collar and tag, then the dog will still have to be taken to a place where the chip can be read.

No-one has yet explained how micro-chipping dogs will prevent an attack.

[Deano]

As many people also say is that the people who cause the most problems are the people who are not going to register their dog anyway or lie/cheat or steal a registration tag. Its a bit fucking harder to steal a microchip! The idea is that in the long run it will be impossible to get a dog without a microchip so we can trace the problem dogs back to their owners and deal with them appropiatly.


There is no need to steal a microchip. Just go to your local gang (or degenerate lowlife) for one of their specifically bred dangerous dogs. How does microchipping identify these dogs ?


Sure they dont but it stops people getting away with runners after accidents,

Only if they have a number plate (refer above).

In my opinion, if the existing bylaws had been enforced more rigourously in the past, people would be less inclined to let their dogs off a leash (as required in public places under most bylaws- excepting excercise areas).

However, this gets back to the original point that only law abiding citizens will comply anyway...

Does registering guns prevent murders occurring from 'illegal' (not registered) guns ?

[Deano]

No-one has yet explained how micro-chipping dogs will prevent an attack.

Because it can't.

It only makes traceability easier.

But if some low life's unregistered, unchipped dangerous dog attacks a kid, the low life will 9 times out of 10 do a runner and leave the dog to avoid being caught.

How does microchipping counter this scenario ?

[SDU]

Yip Filterer is right, only newly regoed dogs need to microchiped, unless the dog is already classed as a dangerous dog.
The chch council is implanting Puppies (1st time) regoed dogs for free.
The cost at vet clinics is not that expensive, it is just that the vets have consulting fees, so people should get them done when going in for a vaccination or combine with another visit.
If the dog is given away then the owner should change their details on the data base to the new owner.
Hope the Govt can sort out a data base system that works.
The only thing chipping is going to do is help clinics (if they were allowed access to the database) find the owner off a dog that has been bought in injured, quickly, can be life saving or find the real owner of a lost dog.
A lot of people were m.chipping their dogs for those reasons anyway without it being law.
The reason the govt is doing it for won't help one bit not unless the chips are coded to take over a dogs mind to stop it from biting.....

Maybe they are trailing them on dogs before we get them...

Training owners to train their dogs would have been better & even then accidents/ or bites can still happen. Especially when jo public still stick their faces in other peoples dogs faces.
We had a Irish Wolfhound in the van parked outside a shop. I looked out the window to see a total dumbass stranger trying to stick their head in the window. All they got was slobbered, Luckily the ole boy was not territorial of the van.

[placidfemme]

I have worked for two summers for the "dog rangers" in auckland city a few years back so I think I have a reasonably good idea of the pros and cons of the situations.

Now forgive if Im wrong but I believe that the new law says that any NEWLY registered dogs will have to be chipped, its not like the farmers are going to have to go get all of their dogs chipped at $50 a dog straight away costing them $$$$$, rather that (assuming their dogs are currently registered) they will only be paying each time they get a new dog.

Now people say i pay my fees and i get my little tag that i put on my dogs collar and they always have it on. You would be surprised the number of the buggers that have either been tied up by their collar and slipped their heads through them to get out or they simply fall off when the dogs are squeezing through that tiny hole in your fence.

The idea is to allow the dog rangers to immediatly be able to identify such dogs, if we can identify the dog straight away, the dog is registered and clearly an accident has occured and beloved jack has slipped out an open door then our first step is to go to the registered dog owners address and try to return the dog. If we cannot get hold of the owner then the dog goes for a trip up to the kennels in silverdale - a reasonable 35+ min drive each way for some areas in auckland.

As many people also say is that the people who cause the most problems are the people who are not going to register their dog anyway or lie/cheat or steal a registration tag. Its a bit fucking harder to steal a microchip! The idea is that in the long run it will be impossible to get a dog without a microchip so we can trace the problem dogs back to their owners and deal with them appropiatly.

If you can then assume that all "legal" dogs have a microchip then seperating true strays and probelm dogs is 10x easier, now im not suggesting that if we find one without a microchip that we pull out our shotgun (not that the city officers have them anyway) and shoot them straight away but they can be on the fast track to the kennels - no excuses/i lost my rego etc etc etc.

However if farm dogs are exempt (and the same for all working dogs in my opinion) them this assumption is no longer true so the benefits go out the window

Ok... all I gathered from that is.... Chips will make it easier to return a lost dog... hmmmm... still not really justifyable (sp)

[Filterer]

So tell us, How do you manage carrying that micro chip reader with you?

At present there are no micro chip readers down here in the deep south, but the Dunedin City Council has ordered one at a cost of $4000 (according to the ODT) and hopes to have it installed in the pound sometime in July. Our local district council does not yet have one, and has no intention of getting one. The Law only states that dogs must be chipped, it doesn't state that the chips must be able to read by any particular officer.

My reading on it is that if a dog is caught, and doesn't have its collar and tag, then the dog will still have to be taken to a place where the chip can be read.

No-one has yet explained how micro-chipping dogs will prevent an attack.

Like i said i havent worked their for a number of years but when I did they had some handheld ones - im not up with the current play but i am a electrical enginnering student and i know what sorta stuff goes into those suckers and i couldn't see them being any bigger then a cell phone these days

[Filterer]

Because it can't.

It only makes traceability easier.

But if some low life's unregistered, unchipped dangerous dog attacks a kid, the low life will 9 times out of 10 do a runner and leave the dog to avoid being caught.

How does microchipping counter this scenario ?

becasue 9 times out of 10 that same dog will have been picked up by animal control previuoisly when out wandering as a puppy. They then must be registered before they are returned but doesnt stop them not registering the next year or for that matter wearing the rego tag in the first place.

[Filterer]

Like i said 9/10 we ahve seen dogs before or have had some history with us, however saying that i am talking about auckland city where we have enough staff and small enough area to do regular (read 2x daily) patrols of problem area (read GI, parts of panmure, penrose etc etc etc).

The case can be made however that in other areas (even south auckland/papakura etc) that this cant be done

[bobsmith]

Same as the gun law - the wrong people still have guns.And a lot of people getting hot under the collar about a percieved problem - Filterer says there is a grandfather clause,only newly registered dogs will be chipped.But it's fun to get upset I guess.

I agree... Let's outlaw dogs all together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damn dogs, they are way too dangerous and stupid, I don't know why anyone would eat something so ugly either. I stick to the cows for food and cats for pets. (before anyone accuses me of being a dog hater... YES I HATE DOGS!!! You would be too if you've been almost killed by dogs several times in your life... one of those times, the dog was supposed to be a nice gentle dog with a responsible owner too... until the stupid dog saw me, and this was all in a different country where the dogs weren't even put down.)

[placidfemme]

You would be too if you've been almost killed by dogs several times in your life... one of those times, the dog was supposed to be a nice gentle dog with a responsible owner too... until the stupid dog saw me, and this was all in a different country where the dogs weren't even put down.)

Which country was that?

[bobsmith]

Which country was that?

Korea..... F&^#%ng dog lovers everywhere (but than where in the world doesn't these days) and I don't know about now but back than no one had their stupid dogs restrained....

[bobsmith]

I should go back find the bastards and sue them all for emotional damages for the rest of my life...

[magicfairy]

whats the point of having them chipped???
what are the benifits?

why waste my money on a chip?... i have a plastic tag that goes on the collar.... just got to find the collars now!..

my dogs come when i call
they sit when asked/told.

what will a chip do to improve them???????????????????????????????????????
IF you have a valuable dog, or the sort that might be nicked by low-lifes for fighting a chip is proof that you own it. A dog collar / tag can fall off or be taken off. I know of a case where a rotty was stolen, owner recognised it months after, and was able to prove ownership cos it was chipped. Low-life swore it was his dog - didn't know it was chipped.

[Badcat]

Why are people so anti having dogs chipped? ..

i dunno - surely they'd be more efficient and powerful when chipped?
made a huge difference to my car.

[placidfemme]

Korea..... F&^#%ng dog lovers everywhere (but than where in the world doesn't these days) and I don't know about now but back than no one had their stupid dogs restrained....

Don't they eat dogs over there? (just asking...)

Back home dogs are breed to attack and kill. So the dogs here seem pussy in comparisson.

I'm a dog person. In my eyes, cats are lazy, hard to love (unless they want to be loved) and blah... dogs play with you, protect you, snuggle up to you, and generally have great characters...

I havn't owned a dog here in NZ, but back in Zim from as young as I can remember we always had at least 2 dogs at any given time. One time we had as many as 9. All un-registered, all trained to attack on command. And yet for such violently trained dogs, they never mauled anyone (unless told to).

I've only been attacked by a dog once, and it was a dog that we had taken from the SPCA, it had been abused by the previous owner, I was kicking a ball around and it must have thought I was going to kick it and it attacked me. It only had enough time to rip my shoe off before Roxy (our rotwieler [sp]) jumped in to protect me...

So can't really blame the dog for that.

[placidfemme]

IF you have a valuable dog, or the sort that might be nicked by low-lifes for fighting a chip is proof that you own it. A dog collar / tag can fall off or be taken off. I know of a case where a rotty was stolen, owner recognised it months after, and was able to prove ownership cos it was chipped. Low-life swore it was his dog - didn't know it was chipped.

Bling

That is the first solid reason I see for having a dog chipped (my ex-flatmates have a stupid $2500 looking mutt).

But in this case, it should be the owners choice... not forced on them

[Deano]

I agree... Let's outlaw dogs all together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damn dogs, they are way too dangerous and stupid, I don't know why anyone would eat something so ugly either. I stick to the cows for food and cats for pets. (before anyone accuses me of being a dog hater... YES I HATE DOGS!!! You would be too if you've been almost killed by dogs several times in your life... one of those times, the dog was supposed to be a nice gentle dog with a responsible owner too... until the stupid dog saw me, and this was all in a different country where the dogs weren't even put down.)

Same applies to a lot of people. Maybe apart from the eating bit...

[Filterer]

Don't they eat dogs over there? (just asking...)

Back home dogs are breed to attack and kill. So the dogs here seem pussy in comparisson.

I'm a dog person. In my eyes, cats are lazy, hard to love (unless they want to be loved) and blah... dogs play with you, protect you, snuggle up to you, and generally have great characters...

I havn't owned a dog here in NZ, but back in Zim from as young as I can remember we always had at least 2 dogs at any given time. One time we had as many as 9. All un-registered, all trained to attack on command. And yet for such violently trained dogs, they never mauled anyone (unless told to).

I've only been attacked by a dog once, and it was a dog that we had taken from the SPCA, it had been abused by the previous owner, I was kicking a ball around and it must have thought I was going to kick it and it attacked me. It only had enough time to rip my shoe off before Roxy (our rotwieler [sp]) jumped in to protect me...

So can't really blame the dog for that.


Thats the thing dogs can be very well trained, just look at the police dogs, taught to bite but only in certain places and only on command. The dogs that bite members of the public do it by in large becasue of how they have been bought up, not their breed etc

[Deano]

The dogs that bite members of the public do it by in large becasue of how they have been bought up, not their breed etc

Owner's should be licensed - no licence, no dog. Bad history, lose licence.

The courts have made rulings preventing convicted persons from owning any further dogs.

Speaking of Police dogs - I know a guy who was set upon by two Police dogs after surrendering, which just proves it is not the dog that is the problem but the owner.....

[Dooly]

Does anyone know if the non chipping only applies to farm dogs or does it include rural dogs, say people with a rural RD address?

[Colapop]

Isn't that supposed to be the same for vehicles - you lose your lisence you don't drive? Doesn't seem to stop quite a few of 'em...

[NC]

Oh I thought this was a thread about dog chips, thinly sliced bits of dog meat deep fried to perfection

[Filterer]

Does anyone know if the non chipping only applies to farm dogs or does it include rural dogs, say people with a rural RD address?

Pretty sure you actually have to register your dog as a farm dog on the rego form......not just that you live rural. You prob also need to have some form of proof that is a farm and ud get fined $400 i think if you were found out to be lying about it

[Deano]

Isn't that supposed to be the same for vehicles - you lose your lisence you don't drive? Doesn't seem to stop quite a few of 'em...

So stricter enforcement of existing laws and sensible sentencing are the key.....seems to be a trend.

Rather than the knee jerk reaction of introducing new, uneccesary and impracticable laws to pander to public outrage.

[placidfemme]

So stricter enforcement of existing laws and sensible sentencing are the key.....seems to be a trend.

Rather than the knee jerk reaction of introducing new, uneccesary and impracticable laws to pander to public outrage.

Exactly. :first:

[MattRSK]

Owner's should be licensed - no licence, no dog. Bad history, lose licence.



Oh please no, dont give them anymore ideas. How the hell does this goverment thing work. I would never think up anything as dumb as chipping dogs. Who do these people represent??? Man im only 19 and im a cynic. Arrgh I even know what a cynic is dammit. Oh well politics is not something I even want to know about. motorbikes make the world go round, thats good enough for me.

[Big Dave]

I have ours done anyway.
We usually spend a fair amount on a dog and its a great way to identify it if stolen.
Our German Shepherds all had tattoos in their ears too.

I like Kumera chips best now.

[Dooly]

Pretty sure you actually have to register your dog as a farm dog on the rego form......not just that you live rural. You prob also need to have some form of proof that is a farm and ud get fined $400 i think if you were found out to be lying about it

Oh ok cheers.....bummer.

[Jantar]

Does anyone know if the non chipping only applies to farm dogs or does it include rural dogs, say people with a rural RD address?
From this morning's ODT, interpretate it as you wish:

The Exemption:
Local Councils will have the power to exempt any dog they wish.
Guide Dogs, Hearing ear dogs or companion dogs are exempt.
Dogs kept by the police and other Government Depts, those working in pest control or owned by secyrity guards are also exempt under the definition of working dogs.

A Working Dog:
The Dog control act 1996 gives a wide definition of a working dog.
It includes any dog "declared by resolution of the territorial authority to be a working dog.... or any dog of a class...[owned] by any class of persons specified.


It all seems rather vague, and a dog specified by one council as a working dog may not be recognised by a neighbouring council. If in doubt just register your dog as a companion dog.

[placidfemme]

From the Herald this morning:


National News
Dog officer says law a farce

Friday June 23, 2006
By Simon O'Rourke


A dog enforcement officer says the watered-down version of the proposed new dog microchipping law is a farce.

The amendment will exempt "working" and "companion" dogs from being compulsorily microchipped from July 1.

It does not affect dogs that are already registered but will apply to puppies registered after that date and to dangerous or menacing dogs.

Farmers are celebrating the exemption, as microchipping was cited as an unnecessary cost of compliance.

However, their joy could be short-lived if councils decide to offset the increased costs of dog control administration by raising registration fees for "working dogs".

The South Waikato District Council dog enforcement manager, Kerry Beckett, said the legislation in its watered-down form was ludicrous.

Ms Beckett, who is also president of the Midlands Animal Control Institute, did not know what a "companion dog" was, despite having worked as an enforcement officer for 12 years.

The four Green Party MPs had done enforcement officers across the country a huge disservice, she said.

"They should have turfed it out if they were going to do this.

"It [microchipping] needs to be all or nothing. Logistically this is going to give us a huge nightmare."

The definition of working dogs was open to interpretation and debate.

Pig or possum hunters who sometimes owned fearsome dogs could consider themselves working in "pest control", Ms Beckett said.

"They haven't consulted with the people who actually work in the field. It's now not black and white.

"Surely they can see the standard wording for working dog is too open. People are going to throw this back in our face and say, 'No, I fit into this [exemption]'."

It was inevitable that territorial authorities would differ on how they enforced and interpreted the law, Ms Beckett said.

The more complex law would result in increased costs of compliance, meaning that costs would be passed on to either ratepayers or those who were being forced to microchip their dogs.

Internal Affairs spokesman Colin Feslier said it would be interesting to see how territorial authorities would cover the costs of increased compliance of the new law.

So either way you still have to pay....

[The_Dover]

Mmmmm dog chips, and szechuan cat.....

[scumdog]

ANOTHER farked up useless law.

And when the first kid gets bitten by a 'chipped' dog?

The pollies responsible for the law will walk away:whistle: washing their hands of it and saying "nothing to do with me":innocent:

[buellbabe]

... hasn't this topic already been done to death? I couldn't give a toss about chipping my dogs, I don't have to anyway cos they are already registered. As it has been pointed out, chipping is only compulsory for newly registered dogs... Anyways the Kennel Club have got a new scheme up their sleeves so it seems the good ol' working dogs are gonna be exempt thanks to them.
Everyone knows that chipping ain't gonna stop attacks, its just helpful in identifying dogs and returning them (or not..) to their owners.
Seems to me that more effort should be put into actually enforcing existing dog bylaws...

[Pixie]

Is in the case of dogs that maul people (mostly kids :(). But in 90%+ of those cases, the owner hasn't got the dog registered,
In most of the cases of dog attacks I can remember,the dogs were registered.
The registration didn't prevent the attacks then,and the chips won't prevent attacks in the future

And just as it's a proven fact that ,given enough time,100% of all robots will go insane and attack their masters.What will happen with all these cyberdogs in the future?

[Motu]

All this hue and cry about dogs being chipped - and cats have been chipped for some time.Every cat bought at the SPCA is neutered and chipped before being handed over to the new owner.

So....it;s ok for cats but not dogs? I smell media hype and spin...political posturing.

[Edbear]

The rationale for dog chipping is like saying that registration plates on cars prevent road accidents.



Not to mention WOF's! They prevent people driving unregistered, unwarranted vehicles on the public roads...:yes:

[Filterer]

In most of the cases of dog attacks I can remember,the dogs were registered.
The registration didn't prevent the attacks then,and the chips won't prevent attacks in the future

And just as it's a proven fact that ,given enough time,100% of all robots will go insane and attack their masters.What will happen with all these cyberdogs in the future?

You are talking about a small number of high profile cases, not the general ones that happen everyday of the week. By in large 90% of trouble comes from 10% of the owners which don't or try their hardest not to register dogs

[The Pastor]

Wake up people.

What outrageos law have labour brought in while this debarkle (hehe) of the dog chipping has eaten up all the media/news time?

(I don't know the answer because I distance my self from all polotics)

The chipping law in itself is completely useless. There is no bennifit at all to getting a dog chipped, (unless these chips programme the dog to mow the lawns, use the toilet or somthing along those lines). This looks to me to be a big distractoin for somthing.

Don't think it could happen? Ha! labour have very strong ties to the news/media. They own/support some big journalist unioin or somthing of the like.

The law is going to be un enforced anyways. The only time it will be enforced is if your dog bites someone or is caught by the pound. If your dog doesnt run away or bite people, dont get it chipped. Simple. Enough time has been wasted with this topic.

[Filterer]

All this hue and cry about dogs being chipped - and cats have been chipped for some time.Every cat bought at the SPCA is neutered and chipped before being handed over to the new owner.

So....it;s ok for cats but not dogs? I smell media hype and spin...political posturing.

Im not sure about the adoption dogs from the spca but if you adopt from the auckland city kennels up in silverdale the dogs are neutered AND chipped as well

[Hitcher]

You are talking about a small number of high profile cases, not the general ones that happen everyday of the week. By in large 90% of trouble comes from 10% of the owners which don't or try their hardest not to register dogs
You're talking about knuckle-dragging hoodies and their ilk who need to own big "dogs with attitude" to cover for their own lack of self-esteem and insecurity.

[Filterer]

So many people have said that chipping wont stop attacks
heres my take

The NZ legal system and i believe all others around the world are based in the fact that if you do the crime you do the time.

However the underpinning idea is of a legal system is to discourage people from commiting a crime in the first place by having the threat of penalties rather then actually penalising people after they commit a crime however this must be followed through for the threat to work.....

Now assuming ALL dogs were "born" with microchips the threat of punishment would be there and the system would work. THe main problem is ensuring that all dogs are chipped as far as i can see

[Filterer]

You're talking about knuckle-dragging hoodies and their ilk who need to own big "dogs with attitude" to cover for their own lack of self-esteem and insecurity.

I think the technical term is small penis syndrome, some have boy racer cars, others nasty dogs and some motorbikes hehehehe

[buellbabe]

Filterer... I hear what yr saying but mate I live in Sth Auck and I know for a FACT that the Rangers in Manukau don't have the manpower (or $$?) to enforce the bylaws... if they did then my neighbour wouldn't have been forced to move to get away from the FIVE mongrels on the other side of her fence. When the Dog Control officer was questioned as to WHY they were letting the A-holes keep 5 UNREGISTERED dogs on a property big enuf for 1 the reply was that it was "too much hassle to do anything about it".
Chipping ain't gonna change that.

[ajturbo]

if anyone offical is reading this....can they please telll me how chipping would have prevented me from getting bitten on the weekend?

picture this.
me in dog race... going ok... catching up to my mate, we both had 2 dogs,
the 4 dogs were runing shoulder to shoulder for at least 2ks, somtimes i would pull away, but my mates dogs are mal's and so are very powerfull, we were in the frieght class, so we had nearly 50ks of lead on board... my guys just could pulll away,....
so there we were going about 15km/hr side by side till the last corner, and the crowd were there, and then all of a sudden one of my mate's dogs thought i would be funny to pull the hair of one of my dogs... well as you can emagen (sp bad to day) my dog was a bit pissed off and ... well i got off the rig and tried to seperate them.... mean while the "other 2" were doing their best to get out of the situation.... and in all the excitment one of the 4 dogs got me........ ouch i said.. every one let eacher go and my boy thought fu## this i'm out of here.......
how would chipping stop that????
our dogs have raced together for the last 4 years????:nya:

[cheese]

They are trying to stop the undesirable people owning dogs and being a nuisance with them.

Re: - stopping south Auckland’s dog breeding ground.

[Filterer]

Filterer... I hear what yr saying but mate I live in Sth Auck and I know for a FACT that the Rangers in Manukau don't have the manpower (or $$?) to enforce the bylaws... if they did then my neighbour wouldn't have been forced to move to get away from the FIVE mongrels on the other side of her fence. When the Dog Control officer was questioned as to WHY they were letting the A-holes keep 5 UNREGISTERED dogs on a property big enuf for 1 the reply was that it was "too much hassle to do anything about it".
Chipping ain't gonna change that.

Yes you are right, it won't change a hell of a lot around the rest of the country apart from ak city....i started work for animal control just after the carolina anderson attack and at times with staff leaving, and some sick/in holiday ect i remeber times there were only 2 senior officers and me.

Now however after the big public outcry and increase in funding etc there are 12 full time staff and it has made a difference, I read a statistic in the paper in the weekend that said the number of reported bites had gone from 500 down to the order of 130 per year.

That is an amazing change but you are right unless your region steps up the funding considerably then your gonna have to put up with what you have got and you are right microchipping wont have a large (any?) impact for you

[SPman]

Oh I thought this was a thread about dog chips, thinly sliced bits of dog meat deep fried to perfection
I keep thinking its a Korean fast food thread.......

[What?]

I am utterly opposed to the chipping law.

As Hitcher said, it won't prevent attacks any more than registering cars stops crashes.

Also, there are members of society who breed dogs that will never be reistered, and they certainly are not going to start just because there is a new set of laws in place. My neighbours are among these, and the council won't touch them, probably due to the social club the neighbours belong to.

But the biggie - a whole heap of MP's supported this law change because some vet's reckoned it is a good idea. Of course they would - they are going to charge around $90 to insert a 20 cent microchip into a puppies neck. Who wouldn't support a law that would give them an income like that (effectively $1000 per hour at least)