Now they have gone TOO far methinks...

[Paul in NZ]

OK.. That pushed my button you bastards...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3713933a10,00.html

Oh gawd, I promised I would not get wound up on this one (death - sorry murder of Kahui Twins) but have a read of that piece of rubbish spoken by a bit of garbage we could all do without.

If you can't be bothered with the link.. Ani Hawke the family 'spokes woman' says...

"Due process must take place," she said on Newstalk ZB today. "They are entitled to legal counsel as everyone in the world knows. We are not a third world country. We happen to be one of those civilised countries," she said.

Christ no, VERY civilized of your family on the other hand to murder two little babies and then protect the killer you heathen cow!

She said the family would speak to police "when the time is right, when their counsel thinks they are ready... "They are not going to be badgered, they are not going to be pushed." She said it was right for lawyers to advise the family.

Shit yes, gotta get everyone sobered up first so they can remember the story eh? Probably some good compo in this for us eh! Choice! Fark me !! BADGERED??? TWO BABIES are dead you stupid woman of course you are going to be badgered!! How unfair of the Police to ask difficult questions in a murder inquirey!! FARK! Someone shoot this woman and every blood relative!

In the "olden days" Maori were dragged off the street without any legal representation.

Jesus, with that attitude I wonder if it was your relatives they were talking about - probably totally justified I should imagine you mad cow! My only gripe was they didn't finish the job and prevent your ancestors from breeding..

"This time it is done right, according to the letter of the law. They have legal representation." She said the time would be right when the lawyers said so.

So the lawyers will tell us if there is a case to answer will they? Now here is someone with NO understanding on how civilised society works! I'm feckin speachless. Sorry, Gas the whole fucking lot of them - useless cunts! Poor bloody kids were probably better off dead but sweet jesus.. This aint RIGHT and if somethings not done about it, what hope do we have?

My god, even the gangs want it sorted! They reckon the Kahui's are are portraying Maoridom in a bad light!!!!

Has the world gone utterly MAD??? Two kids are DEAD and no one can do anything????

Paul N

[SimJen]

One law for them and another for us......

[ManDownUnder]

I hear ya. It's bloody stupid but it does raise an interesting question - what is the maximum that can be done against those under suspicion of a crime (whatever that crime might be).

Of course they could also be buying time to raise money for a yacht then slip off the Australia or somewhere. It's a crock.

Due process must be done - agreed 100%... but when the FAMILY IS READY?

err- no. it'll happen when the law is ready. How many other crims would tell the judicial system - "sorry, not ready to be punished yet... I'll let you know when"

I hope the judge takes their incredible arrogance into account when deciding on their fate...

[SimJen]

If I/family had murdered some kids, they would arrest me and my family and pressure us in interrogation till we gave up the name of the killer. With Maori they can seemingly do what they like. The cops won't go in and arrest people under suspicion because it might be seen as racist.
For fucks sake some kids got killed and someone must pay.
I reckon offer a $10,000 reward, then the greedy fucks will instantly cough up the killer.

[Motu]

She said the family had spent the past week in the "mystical realm" of tangi and burial of the infants, but now they were "back to the law of the land" and a return to the "normal world".

I like that quote of her's from the Harold too.I'm glad to see Pita Sharples has wiped his hands of them....what will his co leader do? I know who she wants protect....dare she?

[The_Dover]

I reckon offer a $10,000 reward, then the greedy fucks will instantly cough up the killer.

Then pay it in cigarettes and blankets. Sorry, that's the Pakeha dollar.

Now fuck off.

[Swoop]

"When the family is ready" and they have all learnt the story they are going to tell the cops.
Bet they'll blame one of the kids so that the adult walks.


Should charge the f*cking lot of the family for obstruction of justice and put them in some nice cool solitary confinement cells for a while to "think"...

[WINJA]

its all a bunch of arse but we dont know what the full story is yet , long story short a case in fiji where a 5 yo killed an infant by accident what do you do then theres no winners just losers , just a bit of wrestling and rolling round on the floor the 5 yo had no bad intentions and how do you punish a kid who killed his brother

[oldrider]

Crime does pay but only in New Zealand and it all starts with the teflon Prime minister. :yes:
Lawyers and Judges just make sure that the tax payer doesn't get away without having to pay for it! :shutup: Cullen keeps on collecting to make it work for them. :angry:

[buellbabe]

This is not a topic I wanna get drawn into ... BUT from what I have seen and heard I wouldn't be at all surprised if the 'perpetrators of the crime' are put forward as being the older siblings... which effectively means that the family will 'get away with it' cos the kids won't have to do time...(???)
The whole business is sickening.

[Finn]

Yet another case of only in NZ.

Unfortunately, this is what NZ wanted so hah fucken ha. Socialism busting at the seams with ideology is like a nasty slow eating cancer. It goes completely unnoticed at first, then subtly starts showing it's ugly head. In most cases your fucked but there is a small chance that if you catch it early enough, the damage can be reversed. Might be too late in NZ's case.

Ugga bogga ateaahrowah.

[Squeak the Rat]

91 children killed (murdered) in NZ between 1991 and 2000.

We are worst in the OECD developed countries for child abuse.


How do we respond. "Ok murderers, have some councilling and then come and see us if you're ready to talk."

Hmmmmmmm.

[Macktheknife]

Im sorry, I don't think that anyone has the right to tell the law when it can act or how to do so. This is a criminal investigation, the police need to be free to do whatever they need to do to get thte investigation completed. I agree that the family are grossly mis-representing maoridom in general though... scum.

[MSTRS]

Tis a family that should all be strung up....let God sort them out.
That it has gone this far beggars belief. Did they take instruction from Lillybing's close and loving family?? That sure set an unhealthy precedent.

[Str8 Jacket]

I just dont get it... Sure I dont have kids but if I did and they were murdered I sure as hell would want the person/s that did it to pay. I would want some form of revenge, its almost as though the family are a pack of "unfeeling" animals. It makes me sick.

[The Stranger]

91 children killed (murdered) in NZ between 1991 and 2000.

We are worst in the OECD developed countries for child abuse.

How do we respond.

I know, I know, lets ban smacking, that will fix it...

[Flatcap]

I just dont get it... its almost as though the family are a pack of "unfeeling" animals. It makes me sick.

Not 'almost' mate, they are just that...

[Paul in NZ]

This is not a topic I wanna get drawn into ... BUT from what I have seen and heard I wouldn't be at all surprised if the 'perpetrators of the crime' are put forward as being the older siblings... which effectively means that the family will 'get away with it' cos the kids won't have to do time...(???)
The whole business is sickening.

Yup - my feelings too, didn't want to know about it and almost felt that the poor little buggers were better off dead but...

Nope - it aint right! If an older sibling is pushed forwards .. so what? There is a responsibility in being a parent and an adult. This IS a civilised country and if you don't want your kids there are a LOT of options. Murduring them by neglect is NOT one of them!

These scum have had every agency in the country running around after them. Stuff it, they have gone too far. Sorry, it's NOT all about them!

Like in the film 'Clockwork Orange' we have to ask if the price of freedom of choice means tolerating idiots like these? Personally I don't think they are worth it. Crimes against children like this (at the worst end) are unforgiveable. These people deserve NOTHING but contempt and a culture that protects them and does nothing for the victim deserves to be bypassed by evolution. Sorry, those comments got my goat big time!!!!!

Bad business...

edit - How the hell can poor old Peter Ellis get chucked in jail for some sort of airey fairy mythical 'satanic' abuse of kids in the ChCh Civic Creche case for a billion years when these morons can commit the ultimate abuse and get away with it thus far. Poor little buggers!

[Beemer]

One law for them and another for us......

I'm sorry, but if the family had been white middle-class citizens, someone's sorry arse would have been thrown in jail by now. This PC culturally sensitive bullshit really irritates me. Considering how many Maori abuse their own, we should be even harder on them in circumstances like this - bugger giving them time to grieve, a bloody double murder has been committed.

Do the parents and other family members not care that one of their own is responsible for killing two very young and innocent babies?

Throw the whole rotten family in jail until someone thinks enough time has passed for them to tell the police what really happened. Preferably stick them all in one cell so they can withdraw a few more from the gene pool.

And WINJA, while there can be tragic accidents when a young person is left in the charge of even younger siblings, the twins died of massive head injuries. Both of them. I can understand one accident, but TWO? And if it was the result of a genuine accident, surely the family would want to clear this matter up quickly to avoid suspicion falling on them?

[Jamezo]

Yet another case of only in NZ.

Unfortunately, this is what NZ wanted so hah fucken ha. Socialism busting at the seams with ideology is like a nasty slow eating cancer. It goes completely unnoticed at first, then subtly starts showing it's ugly head. In most cases your fucked but there is a small chance that if you catch it early enough, the damage can be reversed. Might be too late in NZ's case.

Ugga bogga ateaahrowah.
Finn, don't forget Helen Clark!

Have you forgotten? Her, and the Labour Party, and a culture of socialism are all responsible for every single negative isolated incident!

[Cookie]

I'm sorry, but if the family had been white middle-class citizens, someone's sorry arse would have been thrown in jail by now. This PC culturally sensitive bullshit really irritates me. [...]

Yep - if my kids were killed, I would WANT to talk to the Police. If I didn't want to talk, they would drag my lily-white ass to the station and there would be none of this "when I am ready" bullshit.

FFS what the hell is going on here?

[Finn]

Finn, don't forget Helen Clark!

Have you forgotten? Her, and the Labour Party, and a culture of socialism are all responsible for every single negative isolated incident!

Fuck off lefty. Get back to work so you can support the Kahui family.

We are worst in the OECD developed countries for child abuse. Isolated incident? Good one dumbass.

[Deano]

Fully agree with what was said earlier about doing the lot of them for obstruction or conspiracy to subvert the course of justice......blah blah blah

Throw the book at all concerned and set a precedent. No half arse sentencing either.

[Ixion]

Fuck off lefty. Get back to work so you can support the Kahui family.

We are worst in the OECD developed countries for child abuse. Isolated incident? Good one dumbass.

Well, this is the sort of thing you inevitably get if you have a capitalist right wing, shirker rights government. Now, a Communist government, very different. Hm, unproductive worker. In fact, non-worker. Very bad. No one has the right to evade their duty to the state. Take your choice, labour camp or a bullet. Killed future comrades? No choice, pass the bullet. Cheap, simple, decisive, certain.

[Winston001]

I'm sickened and angry about the needless deaths of these two little boys. That's bad enough but the wall of silence from the family speaks volumes about how much they really care - sod all. Lets protect ourselves, forget about the babies.

I'm impressed that Pita Sharples has been plain-speaking about this. He realises that this (unfairly) reflects on all Maori and simply reinforces racial prejudice.

However we cannot say a white family would have been treated differently. Everyone has the right to silence. No-one can be compelled to speak to the police. Black, white, yellow, purple, doesn't matter. Makes it bloody tough for investigators but that's the law.

What makes this case unusual is that in every previous child abuse case I can think of, family members have spoken to the police. Reluctantly maybe, but nevertheless the facts have been ascertained pretty quickly. Here there is an actual conspiracy of silence.

The police might end up having to charge the parents with failing to protect their children which is a long way from murder/manslaughter. What an appalling mess.

[Ixion]

I'm VERY vague about this, but does not a coroners inquest have powers (albeit rarely used) to compell answers about how a death occured?

[Paul in NZ]

I'm impressed that Pita Sharples has been plain-speaking about this. He realises that this (unfairly) reflects on all Maori and simply reinforces racial prejudice.

Well he was pretty keen to organise them some time to bury the kids but it looks like he is gutted they reneged on the deal and is pretty well washing his hands of it.

Good call not to turn this into a race thing, it's not. It's species thing, humans vs the non humans.

I sat next to a pretty full on lady the other day who's kids go to a Maori Language imersion school. English is not taught until they are around 7 or so and it's definately their second language. We had a good old chin wag about it and I reckon she was doing the right thing by her family giving them some firm grounding in who / what they are. She admitted that it's a LOT of work and sacrifice and that it gets too tough for a lot of the parents BUT like I said to her, at least those kids know they are loved enough for you to go without stuff for their future, if you give them nothing else, thats often enough! Support and love.

Contrast the love, work and effort this Maori couple are putting in to improve their kids lives and that of maori and then look at these scum bags...

Shame...

Hitler had one thing right, enforce neutering of the socially irresponsible.

[Paul in NZ]

I'm VERY vague about this, but does not a coroners inquest have powers (albeit rarely used) to compell answers about how a death occured?

I guess it would have to be mystic powers in this case..

[James Deuce]

I would've thought obstruction charges would have been pretty easy to bring, but maybe that would mean concurrent sentences for the real murderers when they finally (if ever) catch them.

I'm guessing the Police are wanting to get the right charges laid against the right people, and not have people doing less time for lesser charges.

[Winston001]

I'm VERY vague about this, but does not a coroners inquest have powers (albeit rarely used) to compell answers about how a death occured?

Good point. I think he can subpoena whoever he likes. Not sure what he can do if they won't answer questions though.

[Motu]

They could just arrest the parents on ''suspicion'' of murder - then they'd talk...

[Deano]

Hitler had one thing right, enforce neutering of the socially irresponsible.

As opposed to Helen's philosophy of encouraging the socially irresponsible to breed.

[Motu]

Well, this is the sort of thing you inevitably get if you have a capitalist right wing, shirker rights government. .


Too right! This government has no right to fly a red flag.They do nothing for the working class except be in fear of upsetting them.A true Labour Party holds power over the workers,the workers are their army,willing to die for the handouts....the Henry Ford way!

[Squeak the Rat]

As opposed to Helen's philosophy of encouraging the socially irresponsible to breed.
Hell yeah, they probably won't get the working for families or whatever benefit now. Better pop out some more kids to kill.....

[PaddyFZ1]

they probably won't get the working for families benefit now. Better pop out some more kids to kill.....

Dont you have to be working to get that??

[Badcat]

Yet another case of only in NZ.

Unfortunately, this is what NZ wanted so hah fucken ha. Socialism busting at the seams with ideology is like a nasty slow eating cancer. It goes completely unnoticed at first, then subtly starts showing it's ugly head. In most cases your fucked but there is a small chance that if you catch it early enough, the damage can be reversed. Might be too late in NZ's case.

Ugga bogga ateaahrowah.

fuck.
i agree with finn.
someone who did that to my kids would pay with their life.

[SARGE]

nope .. not gonna get drawn into this ..

i dont want to be seen as Racist..

( gotta wait for the Film Rights after all..and if they turn the killer in, thats another dependant they cant claim...)

(kid killers get punished in civilized countries..)'

did they get the $740 Social Welfare grant for the burial???

but im not a racist..i hate everyone equallly..


Yep - if my kids were killed, I would WANT to talk to the Police. If I didn't want to talk, they would drag my lily-white ass to the station and there would be none of this "when I am ready" bullshit.

FFS what the hell is going on here?

i wouldnt want to talk to the cops .. but i would be brought in for questioning for the dissappearance of Cuzzy Bro any my wood chipper would be gone over by CSI

[Winston001]

I wouldnt want to talk to the cops .. but i would be brought in for questioning for the dissappearance of Cuzzy Bro any my wood chipper would be gone over by CSI

The police don't advertise it - for obvious reasons, but they cannot compel anyone to accompany them just for an interview. They must arrest a person on suspicion of committing a crime to get them to the station. At which point you are advised anything you say may be taken down and used in evidence etc..........

But very few people know that the right to silence starts right at the beginning. You are required to give your name, address, occupation, and date of birth, but that's it. You don't have to speak to the police if you don't want to and if they don't like it, their choice is to arrest you.

This means here that the family can stonewall the investigaton and someone will literally get away with murder.

Just a word of warning - alcohol driving charges are an exception - you have to accompany the nice officer.

[SARGE]

The police don't advertise it - for obvious reasons, but they cannot compel anyone to accompany them just for an interview. They must arrest a person on suspicion of committing a crime to get them to the station. At which point you are advised anything you say may be taken down and used in evidence etc..........

But very few people know that the right to silence starts right at the beginning. You are required to give your name, address, occupation, and date of birth, but that's it. You don't have to speak to the police if you don't want to and if they don't like it, their choice is to arrest you.



Thats wrong in so many ways .. arrest the whole "tight 12" and charge them all with conspiracy, accomplice to murder after the fact, attempting to pervert the course of justice, public intoxication, littering and have the noise patrol run by da crib every night for having the stereo too loud.

someone will crack

[Macktheknife]

Just lock em all up and forget about it!

[MidnightMike]

Hitler had one thing right, enforce neutering of the socially irresponsible.

Damn right, and stop bringing all the islanders over here too, sure, theyll work for a while, untill a magical tradition that has been passed down for generations has been discovered; The Benefit. :shutup:

[MidnightMike]

However we cannot say a white family would have been treated differently.



A white family would have been treated differently.

[sAsLEX]

I'm guessing the Police are wanting to get the right charges laid against the right people, and not have people doing less time for lesser charges.



No they are catching people doing 111......



pt

[Winston001]

A white family would have been treated differently.

:gob: :yes:

[Indoo]

The police don't advertise it - for obvious reasons, but they cannot compel anyone to accompany them just for an interview. They must arrest a person on suspicion of committing a crime to get them to the station. At which point you are advised anything you say may be taken down and used in evidence etc..........

You obviously know your stuff and it might just be your wording, but Police can't actually arrest people on suspicion of commiting a crime (unlike the UK), they actually have to arrest them for the crime itself and then if proved wrong, unarrest them later. Generally what happens is they will voluntarily come back for a statement, but if they refuse and there is enough evidence then they will be arrested for the crime itself.


This means here that the family can stonewall the investigaton and someone will literally get away with murder.

Its pathetic really, but in this instance I don't believe that will be the case, with the amount of pressure someone will talk and soon. These people are pigshit stupid morons who should never have been allowed to breed, with the drinking habits they do have, its only a matter of time before they let something slip.

The sad thing is there are so many families just like this, yet nothing is done until something tragic happens. Those twins had they lived, would have been abused and brought up to be just like their waste of space parents and the cycle would just repeat itself.

All the services who could intervene at an earlier stage, police, cyfs etc are constrained by a lack of resources and impotent laws coupled with indifferent judges who are all ex-defence lawyers and care more about court room games and nuances than the victims of crime.

[RT527]

I thought that there was a charge that could be laid on the parents, as I understand it the parents are legal gaurdians right?, So if they be the ones who are spose to Provide the Necessities of life are they not?....So why the fuck couldnt the police have charged them in the interim to get them into the system, with failing to provide the Necessities of life.......they are the parents and they have both failed miserably at being both parents and Human beings.as have the rest of the family living in that house.Rest in Peace Both Babies.

[jrandom]

I was, just now, struck by a perfectly comprehensive solution to the unpleasantly pervasive worldwide problem of members of the lower socioeconomic orders killing each other off.

Unfortunately, before I could write it down, or indeed mention it to anybody, Earth was destroyed by Vogons, and we were all instantly transported to a universe that made even less sense.

Apart from that, I quite agree with everything that everyone has said here, even the contradictory bits. I'm quite happy to supply weapons, ammunition and moral support to any of you persuasive and eloquent feckers who want to head out and shoot a few kumara niggers. In fact, after I've personally watched you dispatch a few, your newfound credibility will probably garner you my actual respect, if not undying adoration.

[Goblin]

A white family would have been treated differently.
White families are treated differently. Someone mentioned Peter Ellis....look at David Bain. Did the cops give him time to bury his family & grieve, then come foward? No! They straight out accused him, then locked him up, then burnt his house down:angry:

This whole shambles reeks of racism.

[chanceyy]

calling the family members the tight 12 ... a more apt name is the dirty dozen.

I just hope they are not holding out to sell their story first .. if any money is made from those poor babies death then a criminal charge should be brought against those offering & those accepting.

I would hate to see any money made from such a tragedy, hope those dead babies have legal representation to make sure their interests are looked after esp in death.

I watched close up tonite with susan wood trying to get the mother to speak while at the police station .. can not say that she looked like a greiving parent, or distraught in any way .. blardy bytch for not protecting her babies, or allowing them into an unsafe environment ..

[Finn]

I just hope they are not holding out to sell their story first .. if any money is made from those poor babies death then a criminal charge should be brought against those offering & those accepting.


I don't think they are that smart. After seeing some of this on Campbell live I'm embarassed to be part of this country. This is disgusting.

Those 2 babies are better off dead than being raised by that family. Mongrels.

[chanceyy]

I don't think they are that smart. After seeing some of this on Campbell live I'm embarassed to be part of this country. This is disgusting.

Those 2 babies are better off dead than being raised by that family. Mongrels.


I agree with you finn ... but I also hear that the family was collecting a number of benefits to the tune of about 2,000 a week. & if ppl start offering money dunno if about being smart or given the set of current circumstances money may talk
Like fuck I damn well hope not .. every single person in that household needs to be accountable as this will not be a one off would have been happening for a long time .. can not blame the once were warriors senario either ...

[MidnightMike]

I Those 2 babies are better off dead than being raised by that family. Mongrels.

Mongrels?, they are beyond that buddy, Mongrels despise these fucking fucks.

[Finn]

can not blame the once were warriors senario either ...

Yeah I remember that documentary.

[Jamezo]

Yeah I remember that documentary.
Documentary? I thought it was a zany reality TV show.

[Timber020]

There are 12 of them, they arent ethical or smart, so the chances of the real story not coming out is slim to none. Its just going to take a little time.
This whole thing sickens me, but if the police rushed in some charges and they didnt stick or got the wrong person, this would be much worse as then we have the whole payout thing, and worse, another thread.

Alas NZ is lost, first a powercut and now this, its all to third world here, and its helens fault, im getting in my porsche and leaving! Which road do I need to take to get to Australia, that shining nation with no problems whatsoever!:scooter:

[RantyDave]

They could just arrest the parents on ''suspicion'' of murder - then they'd talk...
The parents were away, this is why the police are sitting on their hands.

They're not going to get a successful prosecution here. The twins were being looked after by siblings of some description, and I get a vague feeling were talking seven or eight years old. Some kid lost the plot, beat the shit out of them (like dad does?), and the bairns are dead.

Parents get whacked with failing to provide necessities or whatever it is, don't get so much as a slap on the wrist, we all move on.

What's astounding is how willing this family are to move themselves from being the victims of a tragedy (which it fucking is, make no mistake) to being poster children for Maoridoms arrogance and violent culture. Even Helen Clarke is pissed at them. Even Pita Sharples.

Personally I actually think it's a good thing. The cause of Maori children being beaten ... in some cases to death ... has been lifted into the public eye and culture of New Zealand again. Maybe this time something will actually get done about it.

Yeah, right.

Dave

[scumdog]

Even Helen Clarke is pissed at them. Even Pita Sharples.

Dave

The bitch never came forward about the 'Motorcade' fiasco and she's Prime minister so how the hell does she expect some slack-jawed mothbreathin low-life to have the integrity to come forwards??

Although I do take my hat off to Pita for his stance.

[SARGE]

what about we let the gangs sort the shit out?


Mob Rule works..:niceone:

[scumdog]

whaty about we let the gangs sort the shit out?


Mob Rule works..

I don't think so SARGE, 'work' is a dirty word to most of those types....

[SARGE]

I don't think so SARGE, 'work' is a dirty word to most of those types....


ok.. me.. a set of jumper cables, a serving spoon and a blowtorch then..

[Patrick]

Stop the benefits, save the taxpayers fund money up as a "reward," watch em hang em high after a day without their smokes, dope and beer...

[scumdog]

Still reckon the South Dakota system wouldn't do any harm.

Not working??
Then you get: a place to stay, food vouchers (not redeemable for booze or cash) and NO money.
Oh, and they take your licence off you since you obviously won't have any money for tyres, fuel and most importantly - insurance.

[SwanTiger]

The funny thing is.

Most if not all of you will forget about this situation within a few months time.

And then vote for the same people.

And when something else arises, bitch and moan, then repeat the process.

[SARGE]

Still reckon the South Dakota system wouldn't do any harm.

Not working??
Then you get: a place to stay, food vouchers (not redeemable for booze or cash) and NO money.
Oh, and they take your licence off you since you obviously won't have any money for tyres, fuel and most importantly - insurance.


that is actually quite effective. they use Food Stamps in most states actually. can only be redeemed for healthy food..fresh veggies, meat , flour..no fizzy drinks, no lollies, no ciggy's, beer, etc.. you get these for up to 6 months IF you show you actively seek work.. if not .. sorry charlie

[scumdog]

that is actually quite effective. they use Food Stamps in most states actually. can only be redeemed for healthy food..fresh veggies, meat , flour..no fizzy drinks, no lollies, no ciggy's, beer, etc.. you get these for up to 6 months IF you show you actively seek work.. if not .. sorry charlie

Would that they would bring that in here (fat chance!!) as there are too many fat lazy drongos sitting on their arses when not committing petty crimes
and leeching and bludging off working tax-payers while doing nothing for the society the live in except cause it grief - and acting like it is their 'right' and that society 'owes' them this !!.

(Sort of fits the description of politicians too, doesn't it?)

[SARGE]

Would that they would bring that in here (fat chance!!) as there are too many fat lazy drongos sitting on their arses when not committing petty crimes
and leeching and bludging off working tax-payers while doing nothing for the society the live in except cause it grief - and acting like it is their 'right' and that society 'owes' them this !!.

(Sort of fits the description of politicians too, doesn't it?)


jeeze Scummy ... dont hold back man .. tell us how you REALLY feel..

how the hell can ANYONE feel the world owes them anything?.. hell man.. i feel like shit when i have to take a few days off when im sick.


toss the whole Tight 12 in the can and let them feed on each other for a few weeks

[scumdog]

jeeze Scummy ... dont hold back man .. tell us how you REALLY feel..

how the hell can ANYONE feel the world owes them anything?.. hell man.. i feel like shit when i have to take a few days off when im sick.


toss the whole Tight 12 in the can and let them feed on each other for a few weeks

Ah shoot SARGE, it pisses me off to see Mr Joe Average slaving to pay his mortgage, bring his kids up right and buy a new tyre for his scoot when there are pieces of lazy shit that forever hold their hands out for hand-outs and help - but never do anything to help themselves - and then breed equally useless kids that grow up to treat the dole as an expected lifestyle.... argh!!~

[SARGE]

Ah shoot SARGE, it pisses me off to see Mr Joe Average slaving to pay his mortgage, bring his kids up right and buy a new tyre for his scoot when there are pieces of lazy shit that forever hold their hands out for hand-outs and help - but never do anything to help themselves - and then breed equally useless kids that grow up to treat the dole as an expected lifestyle.... argh!!~


i cant WAIT till you get a Tazer...:blip:

[scumdog]

i cant WAIT till you get a Tazer...:blip:

Yeah well there are certain people around here that would need a Tazer zap to get any movement out of 'em.

And it also pisses me off when I hear a 'doley' talk about "pay day' - I correct some of them and point out it should be "bludge day"

[SARGE]

Yeah well there are certain people around here that would need a Tazer zap to get any movement out of 'em.

And it also pisses me off when I hear a 'doley' talk about "pay day' - I correct some of them and point out it should be "bludge day"


im off to bed so i can go to work in the morning and pay for a baby killer's beer and pot

[scumdog]

im off to bed so i can go to work in the morning and pay for a baby killer's beer and pot

Me too, g'night all...

[ogr1]

OK.. That pushed my button you bastards...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3713933a10,00.html

Oh gawd, I promised I would not get wound up on this one (death - sorry murder of Kahui Twins) but have a read of that piece of rubbish spoken by a bit of garbage we could all do without.

If you can't be bothered with the link.. Ani Hawke the family 'spokes woman' says...

"Due process must take place," she said on Newstalk ZB today. "They are entitled to legal counsel as everyone in the world knows. We are not a third world country. We happen to be one of those civilised countries," she said.

Christ no, VERY civilized of your family on the other hand to murder two little babies and then protect the killer you heathen cow!

She said the family would speak to police "when the time is right, when their counsel thinks they are ready... "They are not going to be badgered, they are not going to be pushed." She said it was right for lawyers to advise the family.

Shit yes, gotta get everyone sobered up first so they can remember the story eh? Probably some good compo in this for us eh! Choice! Fark me !! BADGERED??? TWO BABIES are dead you stupid woman of course you are going to be badgered!! How unfair of the Police to ask difficult questions in a murder inquirey!! FARK! Someone shoot this woman and every blood relative!

In the "olden days" Maori were dragged off the street without any legal representation.

Jesus, with that attitude I wonder if it was your relatives they were talking about - probably totally justified I should imagine you mad cow! My only gripe was they didn't finish the job and prevent your ancestors from breeding..

"This time it is done right, according to the letter of the law. They have legal representation." She said the time would be right when the lawyers said so.

So the lawyers will tell us if there is a case to answer will they? Now here is someone with NO understanding on how civilised society works! I'm feckin speachless. Sorry, Gas the whole fucking lot of them - useless cunts! Poor bloody kids were probably better off dead but sweet jesus.. This aint RIGHT and if somethings not done about it, what hope do we have?

My god, even the gangs want it sorted! They reckon the Kahui's are are portraying Maoridom in a bad light!!!!

Has the world gone utterly MAD??? Two kids are DEAD and no one can do anything????

Paul N

What kind of f@@ked up system do you have over there? "they are seeking legal council?" presumably from a civilised world? Someone should inform this f@@kin hag that the peace pipe died along with "General Custer", WTF! this new world don't rub each others toes in front of a nice cozy little camp fire.

[The_Dover]

ok.. me.. a set of jumper cables, a serving spoon and a blowtorch then..

You gonna steal their car and raid their fridge?

But what's with the blowtorch?

Gonna build them a fire while you're there?

[APPLE]

i here yah paul?if this case woz in america,it would be sorted right away no mucking around,why wait for them to cum to you,maori people are no different from any other race,only there culture i guess.

[Finn]

Alas NZ is lost, first a powercut and now this, its all to third world here, and its helens fault, im getting in my porsche and leaving! Which road do I need to take to get to Australia, that shining nation with no problems whatsoever!:scooter:

That's the smartest thing you've ever said although I'm not so sure about Australia but they certainly wouldn't let this shit go on that's for sure.

I didn't know woodchuckers got paid that much. Good for you.

Ugga bogga aoteaarohah!

[Beemer]

When I saw Susan Wood trying to talk to the family last night I was appalled. The mother looked smug, like she had got away with something, and as for the others only talking in Maori - give me a break! The comment from one was very telling - "if I DID want to talk, I wouldn't talk to you". What's the bet if Close Up had offered MONEY for the interview, people would have been spilling their guts left, right and centre.

I don't read them anyway, but if I see one story giving the family's side of the story in a woman's magazine, I will go apeshit. This is not entertainment, it's a crime. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see bits and pieces from the crime scene on Trade Me ' "the 4x2 that smashed my babies' heads in - make an offer" or "the hoodie the killer was wearing at the time".

I am quite happy to be known as a Pakeha now (hated it in the past) because at least it means I am not in any way related to scum like this. Should line them up and shoot them.

[James Deuce]

On a related note, Lillybing's family have just killed another baby, and the media are calling it "Mother's heartache."

I know the details.

It was avoidable.

I'm getting that vigilante feeling again.

Fish - break out the armoury.

[Finn]

Reading these posts, it appears we are more pissed at maoridom than the deaths themselves. We are all well aware of the social problems with maori mostly brought on by white man's pampering. Maori's killing, raping, stealing, murdering or just doing absolutely nothing is very common. We are used to it and will forget about it in a week or so when one of the All Blacks gets a parking ticket.

Ugga bugga ahatearohah.

[Finn]

I'm getting that vigilante feeling again.

But Jim, honkies are to blame for this. We've pampered them for years and now we are paying the price. Jesus, now they are even represented in parliament! If you want to start a war, you need to start in Wellington. Where do I sign up?

[MSTRS]

Reading these posts, it appears we are more pissed at maoridom than the deaths themselves. We are all well aware of the social problems with maori mostly brought on by white man's pampering. Maori's killing, raping, stealing, murdering or just doing absolutely nothing is very common. We are used to it and will forget about it in a week or so when one of the All Blacks gets a parking ticket.

Ugga bugga ahatearohah.
Most of us won't forget....will be added to the already impressive list of stuff we know (some) Maori do and will generally increase the idea that ALL Maori are like this. Yay for tolerance and racial harmony!!

[Paul in NZ]

What's astounding is how willing this family are to move themselves from being the victims of a tragedy (which it fucking is, make no mistake) to being poster children for Maoridoms arrogance and violent culture. Even Helen Clarke is pissed at them. Even Pita Sharples.

Personally I actually think it's a good thing. The cause of Maori children being beaten ... in some cases to death ... has been lifted into the public eye and culture of New Zealand again. Maybe this time something will actually get done about it.

Yeah, right.

Dave

Well said...

There is a real disconnection between cause and effect in this underculture. I honestly think a lot of people have utterly NO grasp on how the world works and the basic economics of I go to work and make money for the company and some of that pays my wages sort of idea. They all seem to think they are owed something or are just one small jump away from superstardom or something. Wealth is built in layers and over time, these are just dysfunctional and bitter stupid people. Bah! Neuter the lot of em, diversity be damned!

[Finn]

I honestly think a lot of people have utterly NO grasp on how the world works and the basic economics of I go to work and make money for the company and some of that pays my wages sort of idea. They all seem to think they are owed something or are just one small jump away from superstardom or something.

Well geez Paul, I wonder where they got that idea from?

On a related note, Superintendent Steve Shortland summed it up well.

There is an element of hypocrisy to Maori and Pacific Island cultures that promote aroha (love) and whanau (family), says Counties Manukau's police district commander, Superintendent Steve Shortland.

Maori and Pacific Island people were over-represented in family violence statistics, he said at yesterday's vigil at Mangere Mountain to welcome Matariki, the Maori New Year.

Given that the cultures claimed to embrace aroha and whanau, there was "some sort of hypocrisy" going on. "How do you embrace whanau and aroha when you are belting each other and children for no reason other than 'We are angry'?"

I bet he was holding back. Annette's Kings answer to this problem is to teach maori's how to save better. WTF?

[SARGE]

! If you want to start a war, you need to start in Wellington. Where do I sign up?


funny enough.. i have the signup sheets over here ..

[Finn]

funny enough.. i have the signup sheets over here ..

Just as long as the yanks are fighting in front of me I don't mind.

[terbang]

I havnt read through all of this thread so forgive me if I repeat. The "tight twelve" clearly indicate that they know who killed these poor wee dots and yet we all (NZ) sit back waiting for them to get over it and perhaps come clean with some answers in their own time. Surely they are all breaking some law by some sort of association or for witholding evidence or for simply telling lies. I know the human rights bla bla bla, but I am sure that rounding up and chucking all 12 of them in the slammer and cutting their benefits would surely bring a swift end to this fiasco.

[SARGE]

Just as long as the yanks are fighting in front of me I don't mind.


i dont have a problem with that bro


i think we have this all wrong folks ..this was a Maori New Year celebration..


the cops just found the bodies before the motherfuckers could fire up the hangi and eat them..

do these idiots really think they will get away scott free with this?

mob rule i tells ya .. let the gangs go ahead and deal with this in thier own way,..then arrest them..

sorted

[Finn]

do these idiots really think they will get away scott free with this?

Ah probably. Besides, what's the worst that can happen? 3 year prison sentence? Choice bro, get a heated room, sky, 3 cooked feeds a day and get to be with the rest of my farnow.

[SARGE]

Ah probably. Besides, what's the worst that can happen? 3 year prison sentence? Choice bro, get a heated room, sky, 3 cooked feeds a day and get to be with the rest of my farnow.



DAMMIT FINN!!!!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Finn again.

[Winston001]

In a strange and appalling way, the deaths of these two children could ultimately prove to be a good thing. Their deaths may serve a higher purpose. At last mainstream New Zealand is taking notice of child abuse and from that will come action. The shame that Maoridom are feeling might just be enough to get frank discussion going in their families and on marae.

This tragedy is far from being the first child murders, or even being unusual. Lilybing, James Whakarewa etc. North and South magazine has run a campaign for 6 years exposing child abuse. Has anyone of influence taken notice? Of course not. White middle class mag - who cares.

And lets not kid ourselves - the only special thing here is that twins died. Makes for a great media story. But if the deaths of these poor little babies means that finally all kiwis realise what is happening in some homes - and we change that - a great good will be achieved. Here's hoping.

[James Deuce]

Winston, what happens with this sort of thing is the white middle class (or brown, or yellow, or scallop pearl) families end up being prevented by law from disciplining their children effectively. Nothing else changes. Laws only affect those who chose to abide by them.

The dob in a child abuser scheme is about as clever and trustworthy as the dob in a driver scheme.

[Hitcher]

There is an underclass in New Zealand that most of us are able to avoid or ignore on a day to day basis. They generally only engage with mainstream media when shit happens -- like the Kahui twins' murder, pit bull attacks, drive-by shootings, battering to death of pizza deliverers, etc. At which stage the "rest of us" get outraged and bay for justice, hanging and other forms of retribution.

New Zealand as a society is way too accepting of this sort of shit. Just look at our domestic violence and child abuse stats; the third-world diseases that are killing our kids; the "lifestyle" issues that impact negatively on those who can't help themselves (casinos, tobacco, alcohol, drugs, crappy diets, lack of exercise, etc); and the perverse impacts that Government "assistance" programmes have.

We like to make ourselves feel better by getting outraged about lightning rod symptoms -- like the Kahui twins -- but not really wanting to focus on or address the underlying causes. Why is that?

[Finn]

There is an underclass in New Zealand that most of us are able to avoid or ignore on a day to day basis. They generally only engage with mainstream media when shit happens -- like the Kahui twins' murder, pit bull attacks, drive-by shootings, battering to death of pizza deliverers, etc. At which stage the "rest of us" get outraged and bay for justice, hanging and other forms of retribution.

New Zealand as a society is way too accepting of this sort of shit. Just look at our domestic violence and child abuse stats; the third-world diseases that are killing our kids; the "lifestyle" issues that impact negatively on those who can't help themselves (casinos, tobacco, alcohol, drugs, crappy diets, lack of exercise, etc); and the perverse impacts that Government "assistance" programmes have.

We like to make ourselves feel better by getting outraged about lightning rod symptoms -- like the Kahui twins -- but not really wanting to focus on or address the underlying causes. Why is that?

It's taken you almost 8000 posts to finally say something that actually makes sense.

You all growns up now. Well done Bitcher!

[emaN]

Sickening.
Sickening that two little people lost their lives.
Sickening how two babies can be left, vulnerable,unfed,uncared for, for 12hours.
Sickening how no adults in the two houses took responsibility for the twins.
Sickening they were handed back the twins for the tangi.
Sickening the family actively&purposefully held a meeting.
Sickening they aren't co-operating & choose to converse in another language.
(I like spoken Maori, but there's a time & place...for everything)
Sickening the two households are on @$2000 a week, in benefits.

Frustrating - this isn't an isolated case.
Fustrating that people can live on my taxes year in, year out.
Frustrating that we're becoming more & more multi-cultural and divisive.
Frustrating that we have to 'import' workers from Europe to pick our damned fruit from orchards crying out for pickers.
Most of all, frustrating that 'some' have no sense of value on life, and none to pass on to their offspring.

To be educated, to have a work ethic, to have self-respect; are these too much to expect from all humans?!

[Finn]

emaN, read Hitcher's post.

...Frustrating that we don't do anything about it.

[Ixion]

There is an underclass in New Zealand that most of us are able to avoid or ignore on a day to day basis. They generally only engage with mainstream media when shit happens -- like the Kahui twins' murder, pit bull attacks, drive-by shootings, battering to death of pizza deliverers, etc. At which stage the "rest of us" get outraged and bay for justice, hanging and other forms of retribution.

New Zealand as a society is way too accepting of this sort of shit. ,,[snip] but not really wanting to focus on or address the underlying causes. Why is that?

Not me. I bay for justice, hanging and other forms of retribution all the time.

As for the underlying causes? The underlying cause is simple. There are a lot of people (lot = maybe 5% of the population) who are parasitic and sub human. And I use that last word very advisedly. They have no place or business in any society and should be removed expeditiously .

It is a load of hokum that such "people" can be "rehabilitated". And that "it is all society's fault". Some "people" are not really people at all. They are bad to the bone and nothing is ever going to change that. In fairness to the rest of society they should be eliminated. Nothing to do with justice, it's simple eugenics.

Elimination of the parasitic 5% of the population would greatly improve life for the other 95%, with no adverse effects (except to the 5% of course, but they don't warrant any consideration)

Vote for a Communist government - the only ones who won't put up with this sort of shit.

[Hitcher]

You all growns up now. Well done Bitcher!
High praise indeed. From a Southlander...

[Hitcher]

Elimination of the parasitic 5% of the population would greatly improve life for the other 95%, with no adverse effects (except to the 5% of course, but they don't warrant any consideration)
This 5% of which you speak. Would that be an annual target?

Half of New Zealand's population (plus or minus) has below-average intelligence. Surprisingly for some, removing the lower quartile in its entirety would not change that outcome. Similarly your "final solution" for New Zealand's underclass, while attractively simple, would achieve not a jot unless there were measures in place to stop the void created by their departure being filled by others.

[The_Dover]

Hey Finn, is Ixion talking about us?

[Winston001]

Nothing to do with justice, it's simple eugenics.

Elimination of the parasitic 5% of the population would greatly improve life for the other 95%, with no adverse effects (except to the 5% of course, but they don't warrant any consideration)



The trouble is, as Hitcher says, every time you drop off 5%, you are left with a new 5% of the rest. And they won't measure up either.

I can't agree with your view that 5% of any human population are bad although it is an easy explanation. No-one is fundamentally bad, but they become that way for all sorts of reasons.

Yes, there are probably 2% who have mental/physical illnesses or plain thick who cannot help themselves. The measure of a society is how well it protects the weak and helpless.

Right now NZ measures well against the Third World but no bloody good against Western nations in terms of child welfare.

[Winston001]

Winston, what happens with this sort of thing is the white middle class (or brown, or yellow, or scallop pearl) families end up being prevented by law from disciplining their children effectively. Nothing else changes. Laws only affect those who chose to abide by them.

The dob in a child abuser scheme is about as clever and trustworthy as the dob in a driver scheme.

Yeah I know but the dob-in scheme is at least a start.

Realistically we have to abandon anyone over the age of 15 in terms of changing behaviour. But under that age, we can introduce education in schools, teaching children that bashing and getting the bash are not normal behaviours. As if teachers don't have enough to do already. :gob:

I'm aware of the underclass and deal with them from time to time. It is true that they have no conception of basic decency because they haven't experienced it at home.

[buellbabe]

I never agreed with getting rid of the Death Penalty...

[Ixion]

This 5% of which you speak. Would that be an annual target?

Half of New Zealand's population (plus or minus) has below-average intelligence. Surprisingly for some, removing the lower quartile in its entirety would not change that outcome. Similarly your "final solution" for New Zealand's underclass, while attractively simple, would achieve not a jot unless there were measures in place to stop the void created by their departure being filled by others.

Invalid comparison. By definition average is a moving target. Whereas the basics of human decency are a constant (eg - not killing babies). Removing baby killers and such from society won't automatically make other people into baby killers. Your argument necessarily presumes that "it's all society's fault" . that there is something about "society" that will inescapably create a certain percentage of baby killers, and that otherwise good people are turned into babykillers (or whatever) by this mysterious miasma.

Don't agree. If you have X number of defects (babykillers, say) in society, then removing those baby killers won't automatically cause other previously decent people to turn into baby killers. You simply end up with a better society.

Animal breeders know that every so often animals will produce a "rogue". A beast that's just bad from the word go. So with humans. And the solution is the same. On an ongoing basis, after the initial purge, it would be necessary to cull a few rogues each year. But not many , a fraction of one percent. We only have the rogues now because we have encouraged them ,and, worse, encouraged them to breed. I suppose if you're of the wimpy persuasion you could say , just sterilise the defects. But I'm a simple soul, I prefer a simple bullet.

'Tis not a value judgement. Just basic logic. Some "people" choose not to add ANY value to society. Never have and never will. Haven't earned a place in society by past performance (like the old, or sick) , have no prospect of pulling their weight in the future (like the young) . Therefore society is better off eliminating them. They don't even deserve to be classified as people.

And I'm NOT talking about the mentally, or physically, handicapped. For the most part they are usually quite decent people - with limitations, but there's no reason why they can't fill a useful role in society - and many of them do. I have a lot of time for those classifed as "handicapped". i've hired quite a few of them in the past , and never regretted it. They are almost always damned hard workers (within their limitations) and , if you make a few simple allowances, good people. They can and do contribute to sociey. Perhaps to a more limited extent than others, but that's OK.

I follow the basic Communist tenet - workers , not shirkers. : "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need". If your ability is limited , but you're giving it your best shot, that's all good.And if your ability is not sufficient to earn a living, then society will come to the party to help out. But, if you have the ability (ie no excuses) and won't contribute - then society has no place for you. All it should have for you is a bullet.

[The_Dover]

A beast that's just bad from the word go.

Is that me again?


quite decent people - with limitations, but there's no reason why they can't fill a useful role in society

Definitely you Finn.

[WINJA]

so what about the dumb bitch with no arms legs or husband getting pregnant , she should get the bullet right

[Ixion]

,,,

I can't agree with your view that 5% of any human population are bad although it is an easy explanation. No-one is fundamentally bad, but they become that way for all sorts of reasons.

Yes, there are probably 2% who have mental/physical illnesses or plain thick who cannot help themselves. The measure of a society is how well it protects the weak and helpless.

,,

Yes, some ARE fundamentally bad. And they are NOT the ones with illnesses or "too thick". They are the perfectly healthy, usually quite intelligent ones who just prefer to be parasites. You only have to look at the behaviour of the "tight twelve' to plainly see that they are NOT lacking in cunning. Nor are they mentally or physically ill. They have elected to be parasites. And should be eliminated, they same way that a farmer will eliminate parasites like hydatid worms.

[Finn]

Hey Finn, is Ixion talking about us?

Nah they're just having a lovers quarrel. If it gets much worse they'll sin bin each other and the site will be ours. Freedom from oppression at last.

[Ixion]

so what about the dumb bitch with no arms legs or husband getting pregnant , she should get the bullet right

Well, not for lack of limbs or spouse. Simple question. Is she making a contribution to society , to the best of her ability? A limbless person could still be a worthwhile member of society.

[Finn]

A limbless person could still be a worthwhile member of society.

Yeah look at Dover. He's dickless and holds down a job... just.

[Paul in NZ]

Well there have been some stunning posts in this thread and some .. erm .. stunning posts of 'other' reasons....

I believe that we as are society ARE far too accepting of this kind of behaviour but I'm not 100% sure of what to do. Lightening rod / knee jerk reaction? Possibly but I believe that there is a part of us that is actively revolted but some acts and it bubbles to the surface at times.

People often call themselves outlaws but they really arent. These people are genuine outlaws, they steal from us not only our money but they rob from us as a society by lowering our standards and worst of all, preying on peoples common decency with sadly hardens the hearts and fuels racisism etc. I think many Maori recognise this and would queue to donate a bullet or 2 themselves. The most hideous thing of all, the Kahuis of the world really do think that they are victims in all of this.... sad...

Oh well.. Back to my white trash ways

[scumdog]

High praise indeed. From a Southlander...

I don't think so, there is a big "Banned" poster on the outskirts of Gore - and it has Finns picture on it.

An 'orrible sight too this picture.

[scumdog]

so what about the dumb bitch with no arms legs or husband getting pregnant , she should get the bullet right

Probably still does more work than you......

[The_Dover]

funny enough.. i have the signup sheets over here ..


Sarge, those are test ride forms.

I think you need your eye tested.

[Ixion]

SHUSSH ! You'll let the cat out of the bag. Don't y'know that Sarge gets a commission for every rookie he signs up. Sort like a yank version of the King's Shilling (you'd love that trick, Sarge).

Why d'y' think Coleman's are so obliging about test rides?

[Finn]

I don't think so, there is a big "Banned" poster on the outskirts of Gore - and it has Finns picture on it.

An 'orrible sight too this picture.

Unfair! I was born and raised in Gore and have been a contributing member of the lovely community. Hell I helped build that metropolis to what it is today. But was it the library I built that they remember me by? Was it the Youth Program I developed to reduce crime? Was it the rooms I put up in my own home to shelter battered women? (okay I married 3 of them) Or was it local Square Dancing Club I saved that they remember me by?

Oh no. One fucking goat.

[diggydog]

If I/family had murdered some kids, they would arrest me and my family and pressure us in interrogation till we gave up the name of the killer. With Maori they can seemingly do what they like. The cops won't go in and arrest people under suspicion because it might be seen as racist.
For fucks sake some kids got killed and someone must pay.
I reckon offer a $10,000 reward, then the greedy fucks will instantly cough up the killer.:yes: :yes: :yes:
GIVE THEM A YARD THEY WILL TAKE TWO, and for us we would be under lock and key.:rockon:

[WINJA]

Well, not for lack of limbs or spouse. Simple question. Is she making a contribution to society , to the best of her ability? A limbless person could still be a worthwhile member of society.
NO, SHES A USELESS CUNT , I WOULD NORMALLY THINK ITS OK TO BE A LEACH ON SOCIETY WITH NO LIMBS BUT TO THN GET PREGNANT KNOWING YOULL NEVER BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THE KID SHE SHOULD BE LEFT TO STARVE AND DIE AND THE MONEY THAT WAS ALLOCATED TO HER USED FOR THE KID

[Patrick]

NO, I'M A USELESS CUNT , I WOULD NORMALLY THINK ITS OK TO BE A LEACH ON SOCIETY KNOWING I'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO GET IT UP, I SHOULD BE LEFT TO STARVE AND DIE AND THE MONEY THAT WAS ALLOCATED TO ME USED FOR HER KID

Slightly out there WINJ.... thought I would help, ya dyslexic she man... The kid might be more of a useful society member than you...

[Patrick]

so what about the dumb bitch with no arms legs or husband getting pregnant , she should get the bullet right

But her kid will probably contribute to society....don't mind donating to that cause then...

[Beemer]

Yeah I know but the dob-in scheme is at least a start.

Didn't I read somewhere that the 'reward' for the dob in an abuser scheme would be fish and chips? So in a few years time, there would be a campaign to reduce obesity in the dobbers... can't win!

[MD]

Just when you think this disgusting excuse for a 'family' can't sink any lower than the sub-human, below snake shit level, they exist at, the latest story on Xtra news sent my blood boiling. "The kahui family are shocked by the tactics of TV Close Up approaching the Mother while she was in the Police station foyer. THAT UPSET THEM! ...THAT UPSET THEM! For @$% sake! The brutal killing of their babies didn't upset them one bit, apart from their selfish concerns that they may have to do some time. But being asked a question by a reporter upsets them. Please someone put a bullet through the lot of them and do the world a favour. It beggars belief that any race can produce one lifeform as low as one of that family, let alone a dozen of them all related. What are the odds. Like Hitler being born with 11 identical behaving bros.

[Finn]

The nurses at Startship also said that once the babies were "dropped off" at hospital, the family pissed off. They probably went to the pub.

Is there such a thing as self genocide?

Edit: Yes there is. I just googled it.

[Flatcap]

The nurses at Startship also said that once the babies were "dropped off" at hospital, the family pissed off. They probably went to the pub.

Is there such a thing as self genocide?

Edit: Yes there is. I just googled it.


The alarming thing is that this is not an isloated occurance - a friend of ours worked at Kids First and said they got a case like this each week. The only reason we heard about this one was because there was a 'leak' and breach of patient confidentiality. You can bet that someone at the hospital is being reprimanded as we speak.

The stories this friend tells about the types of injuries suffered by these babies make you feel physically sick - in comparison you could consider these twins lucky

[Grahameeboy]

The nurses at Startship also said that once the babies were "dropped off" at hospital, the family pissed off. They probably went to the pub.

Is there such a thing as self genocide?

Edit: Yes there is. I just googled it.

I used to like Genesis!!!!

[Colapop]

Turn left KYBoy and keep following the mauve brick road...

[Grahameeboy]

Turn left KYBoy and keep following the mauve brick road...

Geeze just as well I have the support of KBer's to keep me on the straight and narrow eh!!!!!:wait:

[98tls]

Yes, some ARE fundamentally bad. And they are NOT the ones with illnesses or "too thick". They are the perfectly healthy, usually quite intelligent ones who just prefer to be parasites. You only have to look at the behaviour of the "tight twelve' to plainly see that they are NOT lacking in cunning. Nor are they mentally or physically ill. They have elected to be parasites. And should be eliminated, they same way that a farmer will eliminate parasites like hydatid worms. well said....These people offer society nothing so in return should get nothing in return,as has been pointed out in previous posts i am so sick of paying tax to fund these bastards lifestyles,a programme of castration and and rigorous investigation before you get any welfare check would be a good start.Having a job would at least be a start to instilling some beliefs and values into the bludging lowlifes and the "there isnt any jobs" reply is just bullshit.

[Colapop]

Geeze just as well I have the support of KBer's to keep me on the straight and narrow eh!!!!!:wait:
You straight??!!?? Bwahahahahahaha!!


Yes bad parents are bad ... (on thread)

[Grahameeboy]

You straight??!!?? Bwahahahahahaha!!


Yes bad parents are bad ... (on thread)

Tis true.....I'll show you......!!!:blip:

[Colapop]

see what I mean....



Really bad parents are really bad.... (still on topic)

[Grahameeboy]

see what I mean....



Really bad parents are really bad.... (still on topic)

Okay, I will only see it if you mean it dear......:blip:

[Beemer]

Great, in today's news on Stuff the 'aunties' are claiming to know who killed the babies:
We know who killed the twins - aunts
02 July 2006
By TIM HUME

Two aunts of the murdered Kahui twins say two separate members of the "tight 12" have told them who inflicted the fatal injuries.


The women say they will approach police with the information, and hope the details will help break open their relatives' stonewalling of police inquiries.

Denise and Fiona King, older sisters of Chris and Cru Kahui's mother, Macsyna King, confronted four of their siblings, their partners and other relatives at a family meeting on Wednesday. Family members are central witnesses in a police inquiry into the deaths of the three-month-old boys a fortnight ago.

Chris and Cru died in Starship hospital five days after being admitted to intensive care with severe brain damage. One of the boys also had a broken femur. Police have launched a double homicide inquiry but no one has been arrested, with the investigation thwarted by the family maintaining a pact of silence over who was responsible for assaulting the babies.

Fiona King said she asked Macsyna at the meeting: "Na wai te mahi tukino? (Who did this awful thing?)". Her sister told her who was responsible.

Fiona said she also asked her brother, Robert King, who the killer was last Sunday. She said he named the same person. Fiona said she believed both siblings were telling her the truth, and were covering up for the person out of a sense of duty. Police said they could not comment on the information, but said the women would be interviewed.

Denise King, who travelled up from Christchurch last week to demand answers from her family, said she and Fiona learned of their nephews' deaths only last Sunday, the day a picture from the tangi appeared on the front page of a newspaper. King says while she loves her family, she is deeply ashamed by their actions in not telling police the identity of the babies' killer.

"I want to get answers - for my nephews, for our family name and for my own sanity."

Fiona had been given contradictory explanations from family members as to how the thigh bone of one twin had come to be broken. She said Robert told her it was broken when Chris was sitting on the couch holding one twin in one hand, his toddler Shane in the other and had the other twin lying beside him. The toddler wriggled free and landed on the baby, injuring him.

She said Macsyna's explanation was that the femur was broken when the baby was yanked out of her arms by a nurse when the infants were taken to hospital.

An orthopaedic specialist told the Sunday Star-Times that there was no way the injury was unintentional; babies' bones were so soft that to break a femur would require it to be bent at a 90-degree angle.

Denise said Macsyna, who had been away from the house for 12 hours overnight before she returned to the property and took the twins to hospital, had told her the babies had been left in the care of their father, Chris Kahui.

Fiona said Macsyna had told her that for those 12 hours she had dropped her brother Robert in Manurewa, then headed to her sister Emily's house in Papakura.

Denise said Macsyna had told her "there had been no dispute between her and Chris because the relationship was good".

Family members at the Papakura address refused to speak when approached by the Star-Times.

Macsyna King's lawyer, Marie Dyhrberg, would not comment.

Inquiry head Detective Senior Sergeant John Tims said police were waiting on pathology and forensic results, which were expected in the coming fortnight.

Denise King, 40, is the second oldest of 14 siblings, who have several different mothers but are all the offspring of Mac King, a mechanic who died 15 years ago of a brain tumour. Mac King, after whom Macsyna was named, had been a member of a motorcycle gang, Ngapuhi MC.

She says she played an active part in raising Macsyna and Macsyna's three other full siblings, Emily, Ellen and Stuart, when they lived in Mangere, before they went to live with their mother's relatives in the Wairoa area. Macsyna later met a partner and had children in the area, but left.

Stuart, whose partner Moana-Louise is the sister of the twins' father, Chris Kahui, and Emily were among the regular visitors to the house where the twins were injured.

The large family unit, including Chris Kahui's father, William "Banjo" Kahui, were last week based at Emily and her partner Pouaka Hepi's Papakura residence.

King said Macsyna's childhood was "rugged" and somewhat dysfunctional, as Macsyna's mother was often absent. The mother committed suicide about five years ago, King said. "I think that was the turning point for the whole lot of them."