Bastard Harley thieves

[placidfemme]

How common is Harley thieft?

My boss brought a limited edition Harley from AMP's last year. Really flash, loud, shiney red/silver Harley. Somewhere around the $60,000 mark I'd imagine. He then got about $5000-$10,000 in Mod's added onto it...

Last night while his Harley was parked in the basement garage of a flash apartment complex (most apartments in that building cost between $500,000 to $3 million. You need swipe cards and all sorts of security crap to get into the apartments and the basement area... Plus my boss chains up his Harley with two titanium locks, and it is alarmed...

Some asshole managed to get into the basement, and after trying to hack through the titanium locks realised he wasn't getting anywhere and hacked through the fucking frame of the bike.

Needless to say they couldn't steal the bike due to the amount of time and effort required to hack through the frame (after the failed attempt of hacking through the chains). And they just left the bike with a hacked up frame...

My boss is fuming and in the shittest mood ever... So no doubt AMP's will be seeing that bike again to get it sorted...

My bike is only worth $5000 (when in road legal condition that is), and I cried when I was told it was a write off... and I'd do pretty much anything to own a Harley like my bosses, so I can imagine how pissed he must feel... god knows how many smoke breaks I've had just sitting and staring at his HD.

Poor guy... And whats worse... they don't have camera's in the basement, so unless the asshole was stupid enough to leave finger prints it is unlikely they will catch the prick :angry:

[nudemetalz]

Wow, that is sad !!!
Lowlives like that should be be dragged by their fingers behind the said Harley as a "minor" lesson........

["D" FZ1]

There is always some low life piece of shit who thinks he is more entitled to your hard earned pride and joy than you are. String them up by the balls I say!!!!!

[Motu]

How common is Harley thieft?


You don't know? And nor does your Boss?

I guess he know's now....it needs some serious anti theft protection to keep a Harley - the main reason I'd never own one.

[placidfemme]

you should of heard what my boss was saying if he ever got his hands on the person to blame... and by how pissed he was... there would be no way in hell you'd find me jumping in the middle to stop him from killing the bastard

[Colapop]

I wonder how that fucker would feel if someone sawed through his arm to get at a ring he was wearing?

[placidfemme]

You don't know? And nor does your Boss?

I guess he know's now....it needs some serious anti theft protection to keep a Harley - the main reason I'd never own one.

Well not really. Right now I'm more into my sports bikes... and the cruiser (Harley or other) is a goal for when I'm financialy comfortable and can afford two bikes and possibly a car... so I've never really researched into Harleys or cruisers because i don't like to windowshop unless I can buy it in the near future... which I can't so i just stared at my bosses bike when he rides it to work and perve at it...

[The_Dover]

it needs some serious anti theft protection to keep a Harley - the main reason I'd never own one.

Well, that and the fact they are overpriced shite.

[quackquack]

Makes you want to have data dots on your bike so that they at least can't make money on the parts. My car subaru and bike both have them I don't know the figures on bikes but crime on Subarus have dropped over 90% no theft excess on my bike through star insurance with them on as well.

[Paul in NZ]

These days it costs naff all to set up a DVR and a camera to record a location of interest. You can get motion detection software as well that can notice when something moves in the video field.

I have only played with this for a prospective client and we made a PC based set up where the PC would txt a mobile when something happened and you can send a still video capture (pxt) as well.

You would need 230v and an internet connection, PC, camera but compared to a 60K plus bike. Peanuts.

[imdying]

I'd like a VROD to ride to work, or the beach in the summer. Price is too high though (and by price, I mean the 10 years off my life worrying about if it's been nicked all the time).

[Big Dave]

Well, that and the fact they are overpriced shite.

If ignorance is bliss you must be a very happy cunt.

[Rashika]

poor bugger...
yup they will try anything to get hold of some bikes...utter wankers!
There are some advantages to having a bike that DOESN'T look like a harley...still chain mine up tho.

[Big Dave]

How common is Harley thieft?

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Very - they are broken down for parts and sent off shore.
If owned one I would not take it anywhere I could not see it at all times.
That bad.

[placidfemme]

Very - they are broken down for parts and sent off shore.
If owned one I would not take it anywhere I could not see it at all times.
That bad.

I didn't know it was that bad...

Some Harleys are so nice... (I'm not talking like black power gang type harleys... they look like shit).

Apparantly the HD my boss has, there are only three in NZ, 2 in the north island and one in the south... so the demand for parts here in NZ for them... I wouldn't have thought would be that high... Exspecially when your looking at paying that much for a bike you can no doubt afford the parts...

[The_Dover]

If ignorance is bliss you must be a very happy cunt.
:yes::blip: :doobey: :innocent: :doobey: :blip: :yes:

[Motu]

Well not really. Right now I'm more into my sports bikes... and the cruiser (Harley or other) is a goal for when I'm financialy comfortable and can afford two bikes and possibly a car... so I've never really researched into Harleys or cruisers because i don't like to windowshop unless I can buy it in the near future... which I can't so i just stared at my bosses bike when he rides it to work and perve at it...

A sitting duck....The criminal element ride Harley's....they also steal them,and they always have,before that they rode and stole British bikes.Anyone who buys a HD without being aware of this is pretty naive,it's only a matter of time before they are relieved of their pride and joy.It may sound tough - but I've lived close to and amougst these types,and owned the bikes they wanted to steal...still do - you gotta want to keep your bike.You have to let them know you plan to keep it....if you see them in your area,you make sure they know you have seen them,that you are aware of their presence.I've had practice in this area,believe me....

[Big Dave]

:yes::blip: :doobey: :innocent: :doobey: :blip: :yes:


good answer!

[scumdog]

Well, that and the fact they are overpriced shite.

Not to those than can afford one!!!:yes: :nya:

[scumdog]

Very - they are broken down for parts and sent off shore.
If owned one I would not take it anywhere I could not see it at all times.
That bad.

That does it!

I'm going to start taking the keys out of mine and also start locking them up too!

Bastard pilfering swine, probably the kind of person that sells 'P' and kills babies.

[The_Dover]

Bastard pilfering swine, probably the kind of person that sells 'P' and kills babies.

Personally I have nothing against Maoris.

[Korea]

One guy I heard of had his HD chained to a special ground-anchor cemented to the garage floor. When the scum realised they couldn't get at it, the spiteful bastards took it off the stand and dropped it. :oi-grr:

[Big Dave]

That does it!

I'm going to start taking the keys out of mine and also start locking them up too!

Bastard pilfering swine, probably the kind of person that sells 'P' and kills babies.


Actually - it's just that we live somewhere where there are more than 20 people.:nya:

[The_Dover]

Shit Dave, your house must be crowded.

[Big Dave]

Shit Dave, your house must be crowded.


Neil Finn - 1990?

[nudemetalz]

Tell me, Big Dave, are Buells as much of a security risk?
Just interested to know. I have a friend with an M2 Cyclone.

[Rashika]

Tell me, Big Dave, are Buells as much of a security risk?
Just interested to know. I have a friend with an M2 Cyclone.
seems to be less so, but thats chch for ya. Most the thieves down here probably wouldn't know it was a HD... doesn't *look* the part.
Having said that... is there as much of a problem with harley lookalics? Curious...

[Ixion]

Used t'be Triumphs. I absolutely detest bike thieves.

Suspect it's even worse nowdays with HDs, cos back in the day, if you were sizing up to steal a Trump, y'had to take into account that most of the people that rode Triumphs prolly were either not the sort of people you wanted to piss off, or at least had mates who were that sort. So it was a bit risky

But now with HDs most of the HD riders are accountants and sales executives and HR droids and stuff like that, that no-one's gonna be worried about. So they're pretty much an open target.

proilly a good thing your boss didn't interupt him.

[placidfemme]

Used t'be Triumphs. I absolutely detest bike thieves.

Suspect it's even worse nowdays with HDs, cos back in the day, if you were sizing up to steal a Trump, y'had to take into account that most of the people that rode Triumphs prolly were either not the sort of people you wanted to piss off, or at least had mates who were that sort. So it was a bit risky

But now with HDs most of the HD riders are accountants and sales executives and HR droids and stuff like that, that no-one's gonna be worried about. So they're pretty much an open target.

proilly a good thing your boss didn't interupt him.

haha you havn't meet my boss... he is certainly not the coward dressed in a suit type... he's the type you'd think was in some rough gang... but he's not... also he knows some of the most scary people I've meet in the last few months... He's trained up military style, also did work for the Aussie police force, Aussie army, security training and advice, self defense training and advise amongst heaps of other "I'm the man" type training. I'd be scared to hire someone to do anything to him, because he'd proberly hurt the guy I paid to hurt him... then extract the information and then come after me... kind of guy...

He doesn't sound very nice from the description, but the good news is... I'm in his good books... lol so i don't need to worry about any of the above

[The_Dover]

Sounds like he has a small penis though.

All this macho training AND a big shiny Harley? Compensating for something.

[placidfemme]

Sounds like he has a small penis though.

All this macho training AND a big shiny Harley? Compensating for something.

No... more along the lines of being determined enough to achieve all your goals, work hard and have enough money to buy whatever you like because you deserve it. Some people have the luck of the draw others don't... *like me* :(

[The_Dover]

I'm afraid that now Kylie only has one tit, my goals will never be achieved. :(

[buellbabe]

That sux but the stoopid pricks probably DID leave prints... and the bright side is that they DIDNOT get the bike...
According to the resident copper in my Harley Club theft isn't as common as it used to be and actually Buells ARE at risk... there quite a few Gang members in Auck that ride them... Don't worry you Bolt & XB owners... its the Tubers they like...
I owned HDs for yrs and was always aware of the risk, you go to whatever lengths ya can to secure yr bike but the facts are that if someone REALLY wants it they will get it.
I don't consider an Apartment building carpark secure and altho I sympathise with the bikes owner I think he was a fool for parking such a valuable bike in such a public place.
If a car turns into my street at the same time as me I will turn around and go around the block till I'm sure I'm not being followed...
Guess this is what insurance is for.

[Rashika]

According to the resident copper in my Harley Club theft isn't as common as it used to be and actually Buells ARE at risk... there quite a few Gang members in Auck that ride them... Don't worry you Bolt & XB owners... its the Tubers they like...

phew.... ;)

[placidfemme]

That sux but the stoopid pricks probably DID leave prints... and the bright side is that they DIDNOT get the bike...
According to the resident copper in my Harley Club theft isn't as common as it used to be and actually Buells ARE at risk... there quite a few Gang members in Auck that ride them... Don't worry you Bolt & XB owners... its the Tubers they like...
I owned HDs for yrs and was always aware of the risk, you go to whatever lengths ya can to secure yr bike but the facts are that if someone REALLY wants it they will get it.
I don't consider an Apartment building carpark secure and altho I sympathise with the bikes owner I think he was a fool for parking such a valuable bike in such a public place.
If a car turns into my street at the same time as me I will turn around and go around the block till I'm sure I'm not being followed...
Guess this is what insurance is for.

Well the cops have now checked the bike out and are doing thier thing... Like you said the parking of an apartment block is not a secure place for an expensive bike... despite it being chained to bolts in the ground (don't know what you call them) with titanium locks...

[Sniper]

despite it being chained to bolts in the ground (don't know what you call them) with titanium locks...
Dyna Bolts.

Bugger, even if it is a Harley, its still shit it had to happen. Sounds more like a malicious act though if they reverted to cutting the frame in the end

[placidfemme]

Dyna Bolts.

Bugger, even if it is a Harley, its still shit it had to happen. Sounds more like a malicious act though if they reverted to cutting the frame in the end

Thats what I thought. Everyone in the apartments knows my boss and his bike. And they would all let him know if someone even took the cover off his bike. Also without a truck and a key card access to the basement, there is no way to move it... either up the driveway or over a wall into a muddy marsh thingy... up the driveway would get someones attention, and they would have been caught on the camera's. And who would steal a HD to somehow chuck it over a wall, causing even further damage, and then have to try push the bike out the marsh/mud to a waiting vehicle, and the only access big enough out of the marsh goes right past the fire station... and the firefighters would have surely known that someone pushing a HD out of a muddy marsh area (with no "in" access other than the area they came out of) as suspicious... and said something or taken a number plate at the least...

There is no way they could have gotten the HD out without someone seeing it...

But then... if they were doing it to be mean, whats the point in trying to cut the chains... rather just damage the bike right? That would be faster and more effective...

I dunno.

[u4ea]

............ooo i so wouldnt wanna be the wanker whos fingered for this.......peice of shit............i love harleys and ultimatly will get one as soon as the gods have smiled on me............god dam theiving scum.............

[buellbabe]

The fact that the A-holes were able to access the basement garage and that they knew the bike was there says to me that the bike has been followed and watched for some time...

[placidfemme]

The fact that the A-holes were able to access the basement garage and that they knew the bike was there says to me that the bike has been followed and watched for some time...

Yeah I'd say the same. About two weeks back we (my boss and I) were going to the company accountants to drop crap off and had to pop into his apartment to pick up some reciepts... when we pulled into the basement, the cover was off the Harley... he only had one of his chains on the bike then... when he came back downstairs he put the second one on... also mentioned that he brought his HD up in the bodycorp meeting the following week (90% of the owners also occupy thier own apartments) and asked if anyone had taken the cover off or saw who did... no-one saw/knew anything... I think he's had both locks on the bike since then...

[Motu]

The fact that the A-holes were able to access the basement garage and that they knew the bike was there says to me that the bike has been followed and watched for some time...

Oh,they know he's got it alright - and if they get it he might find it offered back for private sale,just to rub in how powerless he really is despite the posturing.I know a guy who had this happen to him,he is the sort of guy who wouldn't hesitate to kill if he came upon these shits stealing his bike.To be offered the bike back like that is a low blow,whatever move he made,legal or illegal would make him a marked man,he was really furious! Oh,I'm sure some retribution was taken in single acts here and there,but no way to make it count.

[imdying]

Further proof that gang members should be shot on sight.

[placidfemme]

Further proof that gang members should be shot on sight.
eh... until they start shooting back...

[imdying]

Further proof that we should act now and take them by surprise :)

[Motu]

You gotta stay out of their radar.Actualy,as the gangs become more sucessful they get less involved in this sort of shit....as Buellbabe says,HD's are less targeted now.Over 25 years ago my wife sold her Trident - to a Hells Angel! We didn't sell it from home of course,we knew how to do it right....but it was still a worry having him come around,and keep ringing up.But he laughed and said ''Don't worry,we don't have to steal bikes anymore,I'll pay cash,and the cash will be clean,we keep our nose clean on petty crime,no use making trouble for ourselves''.It's happening with the Maori gangs over the last 10 yrs too,they have cleaned up their street act considerably....there is money to be made in new enterprises.

[gamgee]

there is money to be made in new enterprises.

ie. drugs
.

[Edbear]

I'm in his good books... lol so i don't need to worry about any of the above



Would you mind just putting me in his good books too...? :sunny:

[scumdog]

Sounds like he has a small penis though.

All this macho training AND a big shiny Harley? Compensating for something.



What's with this small penis shit? Do you have one?

Why do people need to compensate for having one? How did you compensate if you didn't have Harley.

So many questions.



Seems like those with a small penis or other inadequacies are the ones that want to have a go at somebody they percieve as being better off, after all has anybody slagged off and called the 'small penis' call to anybody with a older/cheaper/rougher bike than theirs??

[Motu]

Come and ride my bike and see how how much your dick shrinks!!!!!

[Bonez]

The fact that the A-holes were able to access the basement garage and that they knew the bike was there says to me that the bike has been followed and watched for some time...Most probably an aquaintence or a freind of one who knows he's got one. Word gets around quickly. Bummer it was damaged and I hope the f'wits did leave some sort of evidence.

It's not just harleys the get stolen. I know of a gent who had a brand new VFR800 manhandled down the narrow side of his shed between his fence after it's securing chain was severed chain and shed rear door forced open. This was while the occupants where inside their house.

[The_Dover]

Hey, Maurice.

I was referring to his obvious lust for machismo.

Hell, I have a needle dick and 2 GSXRs but as long as it's in good working order and I can knock one out every now and then I'm sweet.

[Bonez]

Hey, Maurice.

I was referring to his obvious lust for machismo.

Hell, I have a needle dick and 2 GSXRs but as long as it's in good working order and I can knock one out every now and then I'm sweet.Which begs the question- When is the birth of the third one due?

[The_Dover]

When I get another pay rise.

I think I'll get a 600. Then I'll have mummy, daddy and baby gixxers.

[Timber020]

The organised gangs go after anything thats theivable and flickable. I was targeted with my bike, they got it, twice. Thankfully it was recovered both times, fortunately guys get tired carrying a 70kg RG50.

It doesnt matter if your bikes a 60k full custom harley or a $800 XR100. Its something that you have worked and saved hard for and its utter shite if its stolen.

Harleys are a good steal because of the great interchangability of parts and the wrong people are after the right bits.

[UrbanMyth]

When I get another pay rise.

I think I'll get a 600. Then I'll have mummy, daddy and baby gixxers.

Far out,rich guy.

And this whole harley stealing thing sucks im lucky i live in nelson where nothing much happens.

[buellbabe]

Most probably an aquaintance or a freind of one who knows he's got one. Word gets around quickly..
again... you just have to have a certain amount of healthy paranoia. Don't go telling everyone at the office or yr mates in a bar about yr new bike... ya never know who is listening or who might accidentally mention it in passing to someone else...

...they have cleaned up their street act considerably....there is money to be made in new enterprises.
exactamondo... a few yrs back a patched gang member paid $50Gs CASH for a HD at a Bike launch... yep CASH...

mindyou I don't think it is fair to automatically say it was gangmembers who tried to steal the bike...
last yr my bike was in the workshop of a prominent Auckland shop and the keys went missing... turns out someone had wandered in with another customer and thought it would be funny to uplift them! Couple of weeks later this F***wit was showing them off in a bar in Napier, laughing about it... Well there happened to be a certain Gangmember drinking in the bar who overheard and he took my keys off this a-hole, flattened him and bought the keys back up to Auckland and handed them into the shop. I wished I could have met him in person to say thanks... my point? They're not all bad.

[Macktheknife]

low life piece of shit . String them up by the balls I say!!!!!
....with piano wire then drag them around slowly behind a scooter; on a gravel road.:nono:

[Big Dave]

.. my point? They're not all bad.


I rode with a few HA's in NSW at one stage. I'd write up the experience but everyone would say I was copying whatsisname.
We were doing Salvation Army tinned food events. They did a lot of good.

There is a Yin to the Yang however.

[T.W.R]

17yrs ago in ChCh it was a fact that if a Harley, or a European bike went missing it would be in 4 different locations around the city within 3hrs ready to be sent to waiting customers, there was a huge black market for bits.

One of the RC45s that live at Honda country Ashburton was the one stolen on a test ride from Hamilton in the 90s, it got stashed & chopped then was found again. The owner of HCA brought it found the thief had bored a hole in the frame for ram-air. So now it sits there with a spare frame & numerous bits that had to be replaced.

There's been a few cases of bikes won at rallys etc have been swiped within a week of the new owner getting the machines home.

entry level trail bikes for kids & youths are a huge black market, most off road bikes are high on the theft list and also farm quads.

the majority of theft is by order & run by rings.

and the worst is "if they want something bad enough they'll get it"

bunch of low life scum in reality :ar15:

[shafty]

Low life Bastards, - I certainly agree that CCTV is the way to go - even in residential settings now, as well as a deterrent alarm. Wouldn't be nice to print off a nice clear still pic of the c__t who tried to nick your wheels? HD is not my choice, but a Mans (or Womans) bike is a sacred thing...

[thehollowmen]

A workmate is a harley fan, and he tried to get insurance.
All his house and car and everything was through the AA but they flatly refused to insure his harley. Apparently they won't insure any harley because they're too high risk.

He eventually dropped all his insurance from them and went elsewhere.

[Lou Girardin]

This'll be the second. Another Squawking Budgie Harley went from an apartment complex. They beat the chain, steering lock, alarm system and two parked cars to get it out.

[placidfemme]

This'll be the second. Another Squawking Budgie Harley went from an apartment complex. They beat the chain, steering lock, alarm system and two parked cars to get it out.

huh? (10chars)

[Big Dave]

huh? (10chars)


It's all right it will take him a while to get back to speaking englisha.

A similar Screaming Eagle equipped Harley was stolen recently - circumventing the owners best efforts to keep it from being stolen.

[Big Dave]

A workmate is a harley fan, and he tried to get insurance.
All his house and car and everything was through the AA but they flatly refused to insure his harley. Apparently they won't insure any harley because they're too high risk.

He eventually dropped all his insurance from them and went elsewhere.


The more you hear about the AA and their attitiude to motorcycles - the more you assume the acronym is for the 'A-holes Association'.

It bugs me cause they seem like nice people every time I go in there - and the maps and the touring stuff is great - whey can't they recocgnise just because we're on 2 wheels only we're road users too.

[Lou Girardin]

huh? (10chars)


Parla Inglese?

[Motu]

[QUOTE=Big Dave
It bugs me cause they seem like nice people every time I go in there .[/QUOTE]

Yes,Indians are always very polite....do you ask for a discount when you are there? They always ask for one from me.I have a lot of trouble with the AA testing station up the road from me,first set up by locals,it now appears to be run entirely by Indians.I don't know how they get the qualifications to become WoF inspectors (AVI) but no way have they served any time as a motor mechanic,which really should be the base line standard.They haven't got a clue - but they are very good at going ''by the book'',they make no judgements,following company policy to the letter.I've had heaps of arguments with them,but they are unruffled and ignore me.

[Swoop]

The more you hear about the AA and their attitiude to motorcycles - the more you assume the acronym is for the 'A-holes Association'.

It bugs me cause they seem like nice people every time I go in there - and the maps and the touring stuff is great - whey can't they recocgnise just because we're on 2 wheels only we're road users too.
Interesting. I changed all my insurances over to them and when I got the VFR they insured that at a very competitive price.
Being a beaurecratic organisation, perhaps we should suggest to them that they require a motormacycle "department" to attend to our needs...?

[placidfemme]

It's all right it will take him a while to get back to speaking englisha.

A similar Screaming Eagle equipped Harley was stolen recently - circumventing the owners best efforts to keep it from being stolen.

lol thanks :)

*is easily confused*

[Paul in NZ]

The more you hear about the AA and their attitiude to motorcycles - the more you assume the acronym is for the 'A-holes Association'.

It bugs me cause they seem like nice people every time I go in there - and the maps and the touring stuff is great - whey can't they recocgnise just because we're on 2 wheels only we're road users too.

The more I have to do with them the less I like them...

I got accosted by some team of semi literate wide boy muppets in cheap suits and too much hair gell while rushing to extract my magnificent chariot from the grasping claws of Wilsons parking ($9 all day except a whole bunch more if you stay after 6pm - bastrds) trying to sell me another credit card with AA on it and american express.

I was polite - I said I didn't have time because I had to get my car out by 6pm to avoid a penalty (he didn't believe me and said so which irked me - a lot)

I then told him that as much as I respected the AA i wished they would concentrate on motorists (and bikers) rights rather han putting so much effort into becoming a major travel and financial institution. 'Oh but they arn't' says Muppet Boy (I'm getting PO'd now)

Look friend - I'm stressed, I'm running late and you are starting to annoy me - you are not getting a sale out of me today so lets agree to disagree OK?...

Could he leave it at that.... ooooohhhhh no.... He'd been a sales course and all he needed to do was ask some closed questions and it would all come right...

I was ready to kill the bastard by now but I merely flayed him alive verbally (must check blood sugar levels) and stormed off....

feckin AA membership renewal arrived at home the next day - debating whether to pay it or not.

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Probably worth it just for maps & such. However I agree they're bloody one eyed

[Big Dave]

Probably worth it just for maps & such. However I agree they're bloody one eyed

And the break down service and the towing and the emegency accomodation.....

[frogfeaturesFZR]

But...they just don't love us......sob.:nya:

[Big Dave]

But...they just don't love us......sob.:nya:

They should read the relationships thread and give us beads and vouchers at least.

[Drew]

Sounds to me, like it's just a kind natured person, keeping yet another wanker harley rider off the road.


Public service I tell ya, the guy should be gettin paid for it.

[Skyryder]

Interesting. I changed all my insurances over to them and when I got the VFR they insured that at a very competitive price.
Being a beaurecratic organisation, perhaps we should suggest to them that they require a motormacycle "department" to attend to our needs...?

I suggested something simular in another thread awhile ago. Just not too sure how many bikes would join. If they did a survey to find out and it made their membership worthwhile they may look at it..............but I wouldn't hold your breath.

Skyryder

[sKilled]

As stated earlier, it's not just the big boys toys getting nicked. Someones 50cc Vespa got taken here in Jaffa Central not too long ago, and a 150cc racing bike got swiped across from the University of Auckland's library. As long as there's money to be made, someone is willing to do the deed.
I personally would not only do everything within reason to appease my insurance company, but a bit more too. Now where did I save that copy of the Jolly Rogers' Cookbook, the contact switches and the remote deto..., I mean 'dis'arming device?

[Ixion]

The more you hear about the AA and their attitiude to motorcycles - the more you assume the acronym is for the 'A-holes Association'.

It bugs me cause they seem like nice people every time I go in there - and the maps and the touring stuff is great - whey can't they recocgnise just because we're on 2 wheels only we're road users too.

It's because they are old. Very very old.

[nudemetalz]

When I ...ahem....ran out of fuel on the '10 on the motorway a while back on the on-ramp from the gorge. I had heard that you can get a fine by Mr Plod for doing so. I was unsure what to do so I rang the missus who had just got to work, so not an option.

Anyway just then an AA breakdown truck arrived and he helped me out with a gallon,..oops, 4.5litres of fuel. I didn't have any money on me being a pay- by-eftpos-person, so he he said forget it and be on my merry way.:scooter:

Not all of the AA is bad.

NDMz