Tyre choice for adventure riding? (Mixing road and off-road)

[dino3310]

that thing use to always get stuck, wonda if an 18" rear would hve been betta with the rake angle, length and weight

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[Woodman]

A bit narrow for a fat bike

130 rear is all you can fit on a superior motorcycle because of swingarm clearance. You can get a wheel spacer to offset the wheel for a wider tyre but thats weird.

[RJC]

Hi lads

I'm new here and looking for some tyre advice.

I've got a kle500 on scorpion trails, and wanting to go to something more suited to the gravel roads on the peninsula.

Cheers in advance
RJC

[_Shrek_]

Hi lads

I'm new here and looking for some tyre advice.

I've got a kle500 on scorpion trails, and wanting to go to something more suited to the gravel roads on the peninsula.

Cheers in advance
RJC

Hiya RJC welcome :apint:

depending on how hard & where you go, a good combo EO9 front & EO7 rear, but if you scroll through this thread you will find some thing that suits you

[pete-blen]

Hi lads

I'm new here and looking for some tyre advice.

I've got a kle500 on scorpion trails, and wanting to go to something more suited to the gravel roads on the peninsula.

Cheers in advance
RJC

Shinko 700..
No tyre will grip on the lose gravel... you have to get though it onto the hard base... a norrower tyre
will cut though the lose top easyer than a wide tyre.. once the tyre is though it needs to put rubber on the ground
rarther than ride on the top of a few nobbs...
Nobbleys are great on a surface the nobs can penatrate... But some of the big block nobbleys would work ok aswell..
Tyre pressure has a BIG bearing on how much grip you get with any tyre size/style...

[Transalper]

This time of year there be some mud appearing out there so I'd go E09ish up front and not to worried on back.
On the Transalp I'm about to switch to Mitas E09 front, and already have the Mitas E07 rear.
Mitas available from D.A.S. Saxon Street in ChCh.

I'd be happy with the Shinko 700 on rear but not sure about the front.

On the WR I run knobblies both ends all year round but those rears don't last.

[RJC]

Thanks for the info

Probably should mention I don't really ride in winter. If I'm going to be cold I prefer to have a plank strapped to my feet.

Who does shinko in chch?

[Transalper]

...
Who does shinko in chch?

I'd expect any of these places (clicky link) (http://www.bits4bikes.co.nz/dealers.aspx?region=canterbury) should be able to get them for you but wouldn't be surprised if they don't have the one you want actually on the shelf.

[pete-blen]

order/pay on line & pick up from the shop of your choice...

http://www.bits4bikes.co.nz/ab4btyres/shinko-dual-sport-tyres/2683.aspx

[NordieBoy]

order/pay on line & pick up from the shop of your choice...

http://www.bits4bikes.co.nz/ab4btyres/shinko-dual-sport-tyres/2683.aspx

Free freight to your door if over $99.

Just had another rear 705 arrive today.

[pete-blen]

Free freight to your door if over $99.

Just had another rear 705 arrive today.

I have a new 705 130/17 here i most lightly won't use that needs a good home...
I will stay with the 700s

[NordieBoy]

Wouldn't be a good home here. A broken home, full of abuse is the best I could manage.

[pete-blen]

I had a couple of those Golden Tyre GT230 arrive a couple weeks back ..
Are quite cheap... give one a go on the TTR at Dalethorp on Aug 17...

http://www.myrides.co.nz/trail-rides-xidc53532.html

[Trials Rider]

Hi lads

I'm new here and looking for some tyre advice.

I've got a kle500 on scorpion trails, and wanting to go to something more suited to the gravel roads on the peninsula.

Cheers in advance
RJC

First thing, welcome to the thread

Second thing, Oh shit you have asked a question which is comparable to asking what undies you wear including colour, size and texture (assuming you wear undies of course) :eek5:.

I had the E07 and the only thing I liked about it is it did a million miles, other than that I f$%ken hated it, ok so now you are saying WTF some people like them, the issue I found on shingle is they wander because they very little side hold ability being chevron pattern and no blocks, then to make matters worse you apply the rear brake, when a directional tyre is going forward it clears out so in reverse or braking it clogs up so when you brake the tyre fills up and skids on the surface, (back to the undies you now need to change them):weep:.

I use the Mitas E09 on the rear, when you fang it it stays in a straight line, when you brake it stays in a straight line, plenty of side hold so very predictable (back to the undies and all is good):sweatdrop

I use the Mitas 644 on the front, once again a block style tyre so predictable so undie friendly, it is a softer compound so more sensitive to pressure but a good all round tyre, good manners on road and predictable off road.

Ok having said this I am going to run and hide because there will be another 280 undies stories to coming up.

[NordieBoy]

A pair of Shinko 244's are nice and cheap and from there you'll work out if you want more knob or can get away with less.

[Danger Dave]

I'm currently running a TKC80 on the front and the Shinko 244 on the rear, i find the front sticks will in 95% on road conditions including wet tarsel, and the rear Shinko is quite good as well.

[swarfie]

I'm currently running a TKC80 on the front and the Shinko 244 on the rear, i find the front sticks will in 95% on road conditions including wet tarsel, and the rear Shinko is quite good as well.

I'm running the same combo on my CCM604 and find they work well...Thanks Dave

[dino3310]

ac10 front and the 510 244 on the back works well for the light XR

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[Drew]

SC0 front, SC1 rear. Be a fucken adventure then lads!

[NordieBoy]

Good tyre choice...
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[fridayflash]

got my $115.47 shinko 244 today, feels super soft..will get to trial it out on saturday (napier to taihape and return)

[Logmaker]

got my $115.47 shinko 244 today, feels super soft..will get to trial it out on saturday (napier to taihape and return)

You wont regret your choice , I run 460x18 on TTR 250 $96 a real good bang for my buck , a mate runs them on his Tranalp & he gets in some horrible places at times & always gets out , Cheers.

[Waipukbiker]

TKC 80 and Shinko 700, Working very well so far even in heavy driving rain.

[fridayflash]

You wont regret your choice , I run 460x18 on TTR 250 $96 a real good bang for my buck , a mate runs them on his Tranalp & he gets in some horrible places at times & always gets out , Cheers.


cheers, the narrower 460/18 might have been better for me too, but ill run the 510 and see how it is. ross, you been out riding in some wet n wild weather huh?

[Waipukbiker]

Was about 3 months ago on a NGARNZ Ride out of Atiamuri., We caught the tail end of a Tropical cyclone. Rode through a lot of water flowing over the roads, At one stage we were down to about 20kph on State Highway 1 due to very heavy driving rain, traffic was crawling, the 700 never missed a beat over the whole weekend. For its price, its a bloody good tyre. May not make it to Taihape on Sat, got a bad cold and having a runny nose in a helmet is snot funny.

[fridayflash]

your not the only one mate..everyones dropping like flies this time of year :shit:

[george formby]

Well, I'm a happy camper toady. Just come back from my first ride after putting a pair of 705's on the DT with a smaller rear sprocket to bring the gearing closer to stock for the road. I had hoped to fit MT90's, I like them, but na, couldn't find a rear to fit.

Rode 200k + on 50/50 tar seal (whats left of it) & gravel. Tires were impeccable, even on the twistiest of wet, dirty, twisties straight from the mould.
I went for a 410 rear thinking a skinny tire would bite quicker on the very variable gravel we have up here, it does. Better than the bigger, shagged, 704 it replaced much to my surprise. Doesn't look very butch, though.

No surfing in deep gravel & a fair bit of throttle needed to unhook the rear through corners, nice.

Bike feels very agile, too. Flicky.

Only had one moment with the front on an off camber up hill corner as I went over the crown of the road, left to right. A tad more throttle fixed it.

Sodden grass & clay land slips were an exercise in balance, momentum & staying relaxed. Not really what I intended for the tires, got a Metzler 6 day enduro front & a very knobbly Kenda going on the spare wheels for that stuff.

Over all, I'm stoked. Cheers Nordie.

Just got to see how long the rear lasts now. I think the front might go forever.

Oh, the smaller rear sprocket caused me to travel at speeds in excess of what I intended. The engines happy place is a bit quicker velocity wise.

[Tazz]

Going to bung a MT21 on the front soon and was thinking about a K270 or D606 for the rear, but I've been reading a bit aboot dem dere MT43 trials tyres and am tempted to give them a whirl on a DR350. Have another set of rims with some (old and hard) aggressive knobblies (Mich and I think Pirelli Rallycross front? Came with the bike) if they turn to custard. Has anyone had them on a road going DR? No major problems?

[george formby]

Going to bung a MT21 on the front soon and was thinking about a K270 or D606 for the rear, but I've been reading a bit aboot dem dere MT43 trials tyres and am tempted to give them a whirl on a DR350. Have another set of rims with some (old and hard) aggressive knobblies (Mich and I think Pirelli Rallycross front? Came with the bike) if they turn to custard. Has anyone had them on a road going DR? No major problems?

Had a wee surf & found THIS (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=398746) thread on ADV forum. Check out the 1000cc grass track vid.

[NordieBoy]

Going to bung a MT21 on the front soon and was thinking about a K270 or D606 for the rear, but I've been reading a bit aboot dem dere MT43 trials tyres and am tempted to give them a whirl on a DR350. Have another set of rims with some (old and hard) aggressive knobblies (Mich and I think Pirelli Rallycross front? Came with the bike) if they turn to custard. Has anyone had them on a road going DR? No major problems?

The harder and rockier the surface, the better.
The only issue with them is they're quite a bit taller than a normal rear. Equivalent to gearing up a tooth on the front.
I run the rear at anything from 18 to 8 psi on the TT350.

[Tazz]

Had a wee surf & found THIS (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=398746) thread on ADV forum. Check out the 1000cc grass track vid.

Chur! I chewed through a bit of that last night but skipped over the videos for some reason (usually it is the other way around :laugh:). Some interesting side cars in that first one.


The harder and rockier the surface, the better.
The only issue with them is they're quite a bit taller than a normal rear. Equivalent to gearing up a tooth on the front.
I run the rear at anything from 18 to 8 psi on the TT350.

I've read a few posts of your thoughts on them and the bike is probably a good comparable weight to you machine. Was mildly worried about the lugs being chewed out worse than the states (where most writeups are from) on our roads, but for the most part anyone that has happened to badly has been running the pressures to low, otherwise some here and there is nothing serious.

Decision made :Punk: Now just to sort the sizing from what is available.

[NordieBoy]

Decision made :Punk: Now just to sort the sizing from what is available.

Sizing?

Well that's easy...

[Kaituna]

My NX 650 has a pirelli scorpion on the front and a D606 on the back. Perfect gravel road combo and surprisingly grippy on tight fast sealed twisty corners. The rear drifts predictably when really pushed. So far I am impressed with the wear on the rear. Not that the Dommy has that much power though? I am going to give a tkc 80 a go on the rear next.

[dino3310]

My NX . Not that the Dommy has that much power though? I am going to give a tkc 80 a go on the rear next.

not much power just a ton of torque

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[Transalper]

My NX 650 has a pirelli scorpion ...
Unfortunately there are about a dozen different pirelli scopion tyre models out there, which ones do you have?
A bit like the Bridgstone Trailwing saga, there are many different Trailwing models, all completely different.

[dino3310]

My NX 650 has a pirelli scorpion on the front and a D606 on the back. Perfect gravel road combo and surprisingly grippy on tight fast sealed twisty corners. The rear drifts predictably when really pushed. So far I am impressed with the wear on the rear. Not that the Dommy has that much power though? I am going to give a tkc 80 a go on the rear next.

chuck the 606 0n the front and the mt90 on the rear... or nordies 705 on the rear

[10bikekid]

My NX 650 has a pirelli scorpion on the front and a D606 on the back. Perfect gravel road combo and surprisingly grippy on tight fast sealed twisty corners. The rear drifts predictably when really pushed. So far I am impressed with the wear on the rear. Not that the Dommy has that much power though? I am going to give a tkc 80 a go on the rear next.


chuck the 606 0n the front and the mt90 on the rear... or nordies 705 on the rear

Sounds about right, to much grip can be the enemy of fun on the Gravel, DR had Kenda Trackmaster on at one stage it was a bullet but unfortunately went strait like one to, 606's are looser and better and the KTM is hilarious with the smooth Mt90's
Note the practice marks :shifty:
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[george formby]

Sounds about right, to much grip can be the enemy of fun on the Gravel, DR had Kenda Trackmaster on at one stage it was a bullet but unfortunately went strait like one to, 606's are looser and better and the KTM is hilarious with the smooth Mt90's
Note the practice marks :shifty:

I really wanted MT90's for the DT but could not get a matching pair. MT90 front has given me huge confidence on the TDM riding gravel, not quite that lurid but not far off. Orsome on wet tarseal, too.

[10bikekid]

I really wanted MT90's for the DT but could not get a matching pair. MT90 front has given me huge confidence on the TDM riding gravel, not quite that lurid but not far off. Orsome on wet tarseal, too.

Agree completely with your findings they punch well above their weight (lack of aggressive knobs), in discussion with fellow adventurers we think its the stability as they don't move much on the tread (I know that's a plus on a bigger bike anyway) :yes:

Lurid :shifty: 100+ hp can do that when you really only need 40:rolleyes:

[george formby]

Agree completely with your findings they punch well above their weight (lack of aggressive knobs), in discussion with fellow adventurers we think its the stability as they don't move much on the tread (I know that's a plus on a bigger bike anyway) :yes:

Lurid :shifty: 100+ hp can do that when you really only need 40:rolleyes:

Yeah, cheap, too. I've had the TDM front start to wander on tar seal at the edge of the tread, you can feel movement at slower speeds, like in hairpins. Still stickin, just talkin, though. Talks at higher speeds as well "Oy! Settle down".
My theory in gravel, baring in mind the relatively flat profile, with a big bike is that the fairly toothy edge of the tread grips well when you come off the brakes into the corner, the weight of the bike is pushing the tire onto hard pack & it bites, no knobs flexing & letting go. Add throttle, laugh.
Tenacious would be my word for it.
That was my theory with the skinny rear on the DT as stated earlier & it sure does dig in.

The TDM has more weight (lots) & considerably less power, suspension ect than the KTM but will try to get it's bum in front at a moments inattention. Thought about TKC 80's but I don't have the testicular fortitude to make them work on a 250kg bike.

Oh, the joys of wanting to ride everywhere.:banana:

[10bikekid]

Yeah, cheap, too. I've had the TDM front start to wander on tar seal at the edge of the tread, you can feel movement at slower speeds, like in hairpins. Still stickin, just talkin, though. Talks at higher speeds as well "Oy! Settle down".
My theory in gravel, baring in mind the relatively flat profile, with a big bike is that the fairly toothy edge of the tread grips well when you come off the brakes into the corner, the weight of the bike is pushing the tire onto hard pack & it bites, no knobs flexing & letting go. Add throttle, laugh.
Tenacious would be my word for it.
That was my theory with the skinny rear on the DT as stated earlier & it sure does dig in.

The TDM has more weight (lots) & considerably less power, suspension ect than the KTM but will try to get it's bum in front at a moments inattention. Thought about TKC 80's but I don't have the testicular fortitude to make them work on a 250kg bike.

Oh, the joys of wanting to ride everywhere.:banana:

Weirdly sometimes a bit of weight helps in the gravel, its a fine line but if you strike the balance your in,

One thing I will say having tried more aggressive fronts on the bigger bikes, as speed goes up the flex is noticeable and on the occasion or two when I've had to brake in the gravel from around 160ks was glad to be on the MT90's as the front stays strait and true, on lighter bike I think a 606 or TKC would not be as stressed, and as I said on the DRBIG the Trackmasters were awesome and no doubt producing pretty good point to point times but less fun, on the Bigger bike you'd probable tear the tread of them and Die

TDM is good do it all bike, but everything has to be respected and kept within its design parameter, KTMADV was first built for Daker then adapted for the road and feels like a big crazy dirt bike which is both good and bad and after a few days in the saddle you wish it was a bit softer :crazy:

PS, think the American 1/2 miles bike:woohoo: tires are very similair looking to the MT90 so must be on to something there :yes:

[gpcustom]

Anyone used kenda big block tyres

[10bikekid]

Anyone used kenda big block tyres

Used a front, IMHO to flexy for a big twin, TKC would be better if you need soft surface grip on a dirt tanker, But is now on MY RMX250 and works a treat, solid as a rock

Probably good for any single cylinder adventure bike

Had just descended that but thought it wise not to try getting back up :no:
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[george formby]

Used a front, IMHO to flexy for a big twin, TKC would be better if you need soft surface grip on a dirt tanker, But is now on MY RMX250 and works a treat, solid as a rock

Probably good for any single cylinder adventure bike

Had just descended that but thought it wise not to try getting back up :no:

:killingme You would have to scream it's little titties off at a bajillion mph. Be fun, though.

Re the TDM. It's remarkably stately on the gravel, no chatter over corrugations, no bad habits & tons of torque at low revs. Which used to catch me out. Riding the DT & TDM back to back my technique is getting more betterer. I'm now happy stood up with me goolies over the TDM's tank, weight as far forward as is comfortable. The occasional glance at the speedo often surprises me. Very nearly seen the Olde Worlde ton on gravel & still in a state of grace.
Does not like getting airborne.
It now has T30's on it so will report on there gravel ability..........:killingme
Just to keep the thread on track, soz.

[10bikekid]

:killingme You would have to scream it's little titties off at a bajillion mph. Be fun, though.

Re the TDM. It's remarkably stately on the gravel, no chatter over corrugations, no bad habits & tons of torque at low revs. Which used to catch me out. Riding the DT & TDM back to back my technique is getting more betterer. I'm now happy stood up with me goolies over the TDM's tank, weight as far forward as is comfortable. The occasional glance at the speedo often surprises me. Very nearly seen the Olde Worlde ton on gravel & still in a state of grace.
Does not like getting airborne.
It now has T30's on it so will report on there gravel ability..........:killingme
Just to keep the thread on track, soz.

We could chat over here without disturbing the peace http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/168201-Adventure-twins

[Woodman]

Anyone used kenda big block tyres

Yup, put a rear on the KLR for the last Dustybutt. Best grippy and best wearing rear so far. Paired with a mt21 front was a great combo.

[Odakyu-sen]

Hello Guys,

At 13,100 km , my OEM Dunlop Z750 (front) is finally worn out, and the rear Bridgestone Trail Wing TW22 also need replacing after 9,000 km. My road pressure was 26 psi for the front, and 30 psi for the rear. The front showed a bit of scalloping, indicating that 26 psi might have been a little low. At any rate, I was happy with its feel and performance.

I have just got a set of Dunlop Trailmax Dual Sport tires fitted (these are not the TR91 or the D606). The guys at Red Baron recommended for road use 32 psi in the front and 36 psi in the rear. They suggested lowering the pressures by 2-3 psi for riding on metal roads.

Based on my own experience on the street, I would have thought that a front pressure of 28 and a rear of 32 psi for road use would be better. (These are tubed tires.)

Any comments from anyone?

[Tazz]

Sizing?

Well that's easy...
Yeah seems to just be 110s in these. Down in chch so will have a nose before I buy online.

[NordieBoy]

Any comments from anyone?
What bike?

[Odakyu-sen]

What bike?

KLR650 2012
I like unsealed road adventure touring (not off road riding). I have to cover a bit of tarmac to get to the unsealed roads.

[Woodman]

What bike?

Pretty sure its a KLR. Pressure sounds too high to me.

Run my KLR at 30-ish (when I check them) mainly to avoid pinch flats. 22-25 is better for grip, but if we were obsessed with grip we wouldn't ride on slippery shit in the first place.

[NordieBoy]

Yeah, gravel roading, I'd run 24f/26r max and 26f/30r max for seal.

[10bikekid]

Hello Guys,

At 13,100 km , my OEM Dunlop Z750 (front) is finally worn out, and the rear Bridgestone Trail Wing TW22 also need replacing after 9,000 km. My road pressure was 26 psi for the front, and 30 psi for the rear. The front showed a bit of scalloping, indicating that 26 psi might have been a little low. At any rate, I was happy with its feel and performance.

I have just got a set of Dunlop Trailmax Dual Sport tires fitted (these are not the TR91 or the D606). The guys at Red Baron recommended for road use 32 psi in the front and 36 psi in the rear. They suggested lowering the pressures by 2-3 psi for riding on metal roads.

Based on my own experience on the street, I would have thought that a front pressure of 28 and a rear of 32 psi for road use would be better. (These are tubed tires.)

Any comments from anyone?


Pretty sure its a KLR. Pressure sounds too high to me.

Run my KLR at 30-ish (when I check them) mainly to avoid pinch flats. 22-25 is better for grip, but if we were obsessed with grip we wouldn't ride on slippery shit in the first place.

For the road and best tire wear Cycle treads are probably right, KLR is not superlight so could easily put some load on these pumped up tires

As Woodman say you wont get any metal road grip at those PSI's though, If you don't wont to carry a tire gauge and drop from road pressures, split the difference 27 - 32 pretty close to your numbers, though tire wear will be higher and gravel grip less (IMHO if your seriously punting you need to use the tire gauge and re pressure once back on the road)

[Odakyu-sen]

Thanks guys.

I carry a pump and pressure gauge and don't mind adjusting tire pressure on the roadside.

I'll set the front at 28 and the rear at 32 for the time being on the road. I'll fine-tune the pressure from there. Despite the previous front tire scalloping a bit on the road at 26 psi, it gave really good feedback and never slipped out on me in 2 years. I figure than 28 on the road will be close to ideal. I got my cheap-and-nasty pressure gauge calibrated a while back and found that it read 4 psi too low. As a result, if it reads 30 psi, I know the true pressure to be 34 psi.

I'll also have to slacken the chain off slightly tomorrow morning. Although there's about 30 mm of slack in the chain when the bike's on its side stand, when I sit on it and reach down to check the chain tension, it is very tight. I'll find a tight spot and slacken at that position until there is just tiny bit of play when the suspension is loaded up with me on in the saddle.

[10bikekid]

Thanks guys.

I carry a pump and pressure gauge and don't mind adjusting tire pressure on the roadside.

I'll set the front at 28 and the rear at 32 for the time being on the road. I'll fine-tune the pressure from there. Despite the previous front tire scalloping a bit on the road at 26 psi, it gave really good feedback and never slipped out on me in 2 years. I figure than 28 on the road will be close to ideal. I got my cheap-and-nasty pressure gauge calibrated a while back and found that it read 4 psi too low. As a result, if it reads 30 psi, I know the true pressure to be 34 psi.

I'll also have to slacken the chain off slightly tomorrow morning. Although there's about 30 mm of slack in the chain when the bike's on its side stand, when I sit on it and reach down to check the chain tension, it is very tight. I'll find a tight spot and slacken at that position until there is just tiny bit of play when the suspension is loaded up with me on in the saddle.

Those are the pressures I run on My DRbig Which weighs about the same as the KLR, It has Dunlop 606's so plenty of grip on the metal at 27- 32 but do go down to 22 - 25 for mud and rocks and as low and as 12- 14 in the sand, If I was doing a big road trip would go up to 32-34 so numbers are all about right from experience

Tight spots in a chain are a pain, (to hard to get consistant chain tension) went to MotoX in Albany and bought a new 520 X ring chain as are well priced, problem fixed :woohoo:
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[george formby]

Speaking of pressures. Any thoughts on general pressures for the 705's on the bantam weight (135kg wet) DT? Can't be chavved faffing about for gravel & tar so a ball park figure for good wear and acceptable gripiness.

[10bikekid]

Speaking of pressures. Any thoughts on general pressures for the 705's on the bantam weight (135kg wet) DT? Can't be chavved faffing about for gravel & tar so a ball park figure for good wear and acceptable gripiness.

If the physic is relative my calculator says 22 - 26 on a 135kg bike is the same as 27- 32 on a 175kg bike (allowing for rider and gear weight of 90kg) Factor is 0.8333 eg multiple our other number by this, should work :scratch:

[george formby]

If the physic is relative my calculator says 22 - 26 on a 135kg bike is the same as 27- 32 on a 175kg bike (allowing for rider and gear weight of 90kg) Factor is 0.8333 eg multiple our other number by this, should work :scratch:

That is dedication. Virtual beersies for you. Thanks.

[NordieBoy]

The TT is 120kg wet and I run 24f/26r on the seal, any more and the front gets a little juddery over the bumps.
20f/18r in the gravel and 18f/16r off road.

The manual says 14f/14r off road...

[Woodman]

Who here actually stops and adjusts their pressures up or down when the road surface changes?

[BMWST?]

Nope,same pressure for tar and gravel

[dino3310]

Nope,same pressure for tar and gravel

yup same here

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[Odakyu-sen]

Who here actually stops and adjusts their pressures up or down when the road surface changes?

I do* (* if I know that I'll be riding around on unsealed roads for the next half hour or more).

Obviously, if it's just a couple of km, I'm not going to bother, but if it's the start of a 30 km-or-so stretch, then I'll drop a couple of psi. Maybe when my unsealed road riding skills get better, I'll no longer bother, but until then...

[bart]

Who here actually stops and adjusts their pressures up or down when the road surface changes?

I run mine hard. I aim for about 30 something psi then add a couple for good luck. If the front feels a little squirmy, I stick a small stone in the valve and count to five. I count slow if it’s real squirmy, or fast if it’s not too bad. Works for me.

You guys get a lttle carried away with tyre choice and tyre pressure. I realise it’s more important on larger bikes, but there are much more important things to worry about...like what oil to use...:whistle:

[Trials Rider]

Yup, put a rear on the KLR for the last Dustybutt. Best grippy and best wearing rear so far. Paired with a mt21 front was a great combo.

But does it float? :killingme:killingme

[10bikekid]

Who here actually stops and adjusts their pressures up or down when the road surface changes?


I run mine hard. I aim for about 30 something psi then add a couple for good luck. If the front feels a little squirmy, I stick a small stone in the valve and count to five. I count slow if it’s real squirmy, or fast if it’s not too bad. Works for me.

You guys get a lttle carried away with tyre choice and tyre pressure. I realise it’s more important on larger bikes, but there are much more important things to worry about...like what oil to use...:whistle:


Depends on the situation, and who you are riding with

Big bike and other fast punters your most likely gona crash with 34psi in the front tire of your near 1000cc pretend dirt bike :facepalm:

PS, Bigger Adv bikes usually do higher mileages and the tires cost more so when you are on the road you pump them up for economy reasons but it aint worth saving a little coin on tires if you have metal rash all over it from not making adjustments for the longer gravel rides, EG KTM950 runs 34-37 Road 24-26 Gravel, will still work ok on the road at the lower pressures but will wear out in about half the time so you could save about $150-$200 a set of tires by adjusting them back up after your sliding fun.:wings:

Like Dino, with the DRBig I don't change pressures just run 27-32 all the time (unless really serious)

Also tires are a part of the suspension so if you run them to hard you get a buck wash ride in the stones (as I think someone else mentioned)

Bart, I Never use oil on my tires :eek:

[NordieBoy]

I use gravel pressures unless there's more than an hour's road riding to get to the gravel.

For the Denniston ride, I used road pressures to get to the bridge and gravel pressures from there.

I'm more likely to air down at the gravel and leave it from there. Rather than air up later.

[fridayflash]

nordie, have you or anyone else for that matter, posted a ride report on a deniston trip? im interested to explore it later this year with my brother.

[Padmei]

nordie, have you or anyone else for that matter, posted a ride report on a deniston trip? im interested to explore it later this year with my brother.

Check out Rmotos thread on advrider. He gives a goo writeup on it. (we should keep it out of this tyre only thread :msn-wink:)

[Padmei]

it aint worth saving a little coin on tires if you have metal rash all over it from not making adjustments for the longer gravel rides,

How many times have I wished I had dropped a bit of pressure as I crap myself halfway round a messy gravel corner :yes:

[NordieBoy]

How many times have I wished I had dropped a bit of pressure as I crap myself halfway round a messy gravel corner :yes:

Tyre pressure, not bowel pressure.

[Woodman]

How many times have I wished I had dropped a bit of pressure as I crap myself halfway round a messy gravel corner :yes:

I don't know , how many? Two last weekend that I know of.

Have a lovely set of Metzeler Sahara3s sitting in the shed to go on the GS. Don't know much about them really, but they look the biz.
The sticker on my bike says that they are recommended by BMW for my GS so they must be ok I spose

Anyone have any experience with them?

[Box'a'bits]

Fairly sure Chris had some on his KTM 690 & liked them

[Oscar]

Fairly sure Chris had some on his KTM 690 & liked them

I got one'a dose on the back of me 950.

It's pretty good.

[dino3310]

good deal for you Marlborough lads

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/tyres/auction-763586691.htm

[Muzz67]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=767193703
opinions, folks??

[chasio]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=767193703
opinions, folks??

The E-07 has been discussed a lot in this thread, but it is a big thread. As an attempt to sum up: generally well regarded and does what it looks like it would do, maybe a bit more in capable hands. I prefer E-09's/ TKC80's, but I am not in the "more capable hands" camp.

Here are some local opinions: http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/mitas-e-07-rear/

[dino3310]

for me the bottom line for the e 07 is the longativity compared to most on this thread

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[10bikekid]

for me the bottom line for the e 07 is the longativity compared to most on this thread

Sent from my GT-I9070 using Tapatalk 2

Understandable as your bike weighs nothing and would probably get traction on the rims :shutup:

[dino3310]

Understandable as your bike weighs nothing and would probably get traction on the rims :shutup:

ive never used them on the xr

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[10bikekid]

ive never used them on the xr

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Just the rims then :shit:

[dino3310]

pirelli rally x 140 18 cheap in Aucks http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/tyres/auction-780414639.htm

[Waipukbiker]

Check out the latest from Conti, The TKC 70. http://www.conti-online.com/www/motorcycle_de_en/themes/motorcycletires/enduro/tkc_70_en.html

[NordieBoy]

Check out the latest from Conti, The TKC 70. http://www.conti-online.com/www/motorcycle_de_en/themes/motorcycletires/enduro/tkc_70_en.html

Nice and cheap too.

[Rhys]

What sort of price ?

Can't seem to find out

[_Shrek_]

Nice and cheap too.

from where Nordie ?

[NordieBoy]

from where Nordie ?

Was being sarcastic :D

Cheap Conti's? Tui ad right there.

[_Shrek_]

Was being sarcastic :D

Cheap Conti's? Tui ad right there.

my last set was 400 so it is possible ;)

[RJP]

on my tenere 660 now using a heidenau k60 scout on the rear. awesome tyre, gr8 on gravel n tar, long lasting too, got 8000km out of last one.(was totally stuffed) .using continental tkc 80 on front which is really good too. best combination for adventure riding ive found. have tried Michelins 4-5000kms, Mitas 3000km, all on rear , n fronts, nothing lasted as long as the heidenau n continental combo .not expensive either.

[RMOTO]

on my tenere 660 now using a heidenau k60 scout on the rear. awesome tyre, gr8 on gravel n tar, long lasting too

The K60 does have a high average life at 13,600 km and a very low average price of 1.7 cents per kilometer of : http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/heidenau-k60-scout-140130-rear/


have tried Michelins 4-5000kms, Mitas 3000km, all on rear

Mitas do a range of rears, some off-road aggressive models like the C16 (http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/mitas-c-16-rear/) only get around 3,000 km but the E07 is probably the most similar comparison to the more road/light off-road oriented Heidenau K60 which averages at 11,000 km at a cost of 2.1 cents per kilometer (http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/mitas-e-07-rear/)

Feel free to post your tyre review, the more people that add their reviews will increase the accuracy of the RemoteMoto Tyre Reviewer and provide a great resource for comparing and choosing tyres

Cheers

Josh

[fridayflash]

is anyone aware of a 16" adv rear tyre? i think the cagive elephant had a 16" at the rear end. want something for my sons gn250

[pete-blen]

Bridgestone Trailwing 202... 120/90/16 63P
or the TW40

[fridayflash]

thanks phil, just found them, yamaha tricker sizes..the 19" front will make it an even pairb:eek:

[10bikekid]

Let see if anyone still comes to this forum :blink:

Am looking for a smooth running adventure tire, have this new Toy that is shod with Dunlop 750's, boy are they smooth on the road and balanced, but am looking for a touch more grip

What tire will run nice and smooth and balanced on the road but is a little better offroad

Go :facepalm:

[Woodman]

Let see if anyone still comes to this forum :blink:

Am looking for a smooth running adventure tire, have this new Toy that is shod with Dunlop 750's, boy are they smooth on the road and balanced, but am looking for a touch more grip

What tire will run nice and smooth and balanced on the road but is a little better offroad

Go :facepalm:

KLR= lovely. Try shinko 700s. Had them on mine and best compromise I have had so far.

[Trials Rider]

KLR= lovely. Try shinko 700s. Had them on mine and best compromise I have had so far.

Annnnnnnnd don't forget to buy pontoons if you are going riding with Woodman, he and KLRs and deep water holes have a magnetic attraction.:bleh:

I can quite see what tyres you had on then.

[.chris]

KLR= lovely. Try shinko 700s. Had them on mine and best compromise I have had so far.

I agree with you on that one, currently running one on the rear of the 690, and so far it is doing great. Love it on the tarmac and has only surprised (in a good way) me in the mud so far.

[Devil]

Have spent a lot of time on the road lately - running Pirelli MT90 A/T's on my 690 enduro. They don't wear *at all*. Seriously. commuting, hooning, pillioning. They're just not going down. Haven't recorded the mileage, but i'm super impressed for a roady tyre. Tons of grip in the dry (getting a bit of wheelspin in the wet). Almost tempted to do a track day on them.

[Woodman]

Annnnnnnnd don't forget to buy pontoons if you are going riding with Woodman, he and KLRs and deep water holes have a magnetic attraction.:bleh:

I can quite see what tyres you had on then.

Aaaaah those were the days. Thanks for the reminder. (as if you are ever going to let me forget)

[george formby]

Have spent a lot of time on the road lately - running Pirelli MT90 A/T's on my 690 enduro. They don't wear *at all*. Seriously. commuting, hooning, pillioning. They're just not going down. Haven't recorded the mileage, but i'm super impressed for a roady tyre. Tons of grip in the dry (getting a bit of wheelspin in the wet). Almost tempted to do a track day on them.

Interestin. Had an MT90 A/T on the front of the yellow hippo. Loved it. Stuck like shit to the blanket, I went out & practiced some emergency braking in the rain. It just gripped. I'm sure I could have done a stoppie if the bike was less portly. Just flexed the forks instead. When I took it off the Shinko 705 on the back was knackered but the Pirelli looked fresh. Impressive side grip on gravel, too, all things considered.
On the edge it would start to scrabble around the corner, a bit of tread movement to let you know that it was time to take a chill pill. I had the very edge of the tread rounded off. A first (and probably last) for me.
Relatively cheap as well.

[Waipukbiker]

Shinko 700 for me too, For its price its a bloody good tyre, smooth on the road and hooks up well on the shingle.

[Howie]

KLR is a great choice of bike. I'm Another who uses the Shinko E700 for the rear, and have been using the Shinko E704 on the front.

[dino3310]

does anyone know who the dealer for MEFO tires are.... im likeing the look of the explorer, very simular to the E07 and have heard great reviews on XRs in the states

[10bikekid]

Have spent a lot of time on the road lately - running Pirelli MT90 A/T's on my 690 enduro. They don't wear *at all*. Seriously. commuting, hooning, pillioning. They're just not going down. Haven't recorded the mileage, but i'm super impressed for a roady tyre. Tons of grip in the dry (getting a bit of wheelspin in the wet). Almost tempted to do a track day on them.


Interestin. Had an MT90 A/T on the front of the yellow hippo. Loved it. Stuck like shit to the blanket, I went out & practiced some emergency braking in the rain. It just gripped. I'm sure I could have done a stoppie if the bike was less portly. Just flexed the forks instead. When I took it off the Shinko 705 on the back was knackered but the Pirelli looked fresh. Impressive side grip on gravel, too, all things considered.
On the edge it would start to scrabble around the corner, a bit of tread movement to let you know that it was time to take a chill pill. I had the very edge of the tread rounded off. A first (and probably last) for me.
Relatively cheap as well.

I concur that the MT90 is a magic road and gravel tire and would considering using them at a track day too, Wont put anything else on the 950 as consider everything else I've tried unsafe at the speeds and G forces bigger bikes can generate.

Anyways its not an issue as KTM is having a rest for a while with the new KLR kid in town :Punk:

[10bikekid]

KLR= lovely. Try shinko 700s. Had them on mine and best compromise I have had so far.


KLR is a great choice of bike. I'm Another who uses the Shinko E700 for the rear, and have been using the Shinko E704 on the front.

There is a rumour that there is a new FB page for us, Check out "New Zealand KLR650 Owners Group" its a closed to keep out the Honda and KTM rif raf but I'm sure the OP will let you join

Will check out the Shinko, or should I say Sinko tires

[dino3310]

There is a rumour that there is a new FB page for us, Check out "New Zealand KLR650 Owners Group" its a closed to keep out the Honda and KTM rif raf but I'm sure the OP will let you join

Will check out the Shinko, or should I say Sinko tires

shite mate you would be able to join most Owners groups with your stable.... rif raf :killingme you should have a patch with rif raf mc on it:killingme

[10bikekid]

shite mate you would be able to join most Owners groups with your stable.... rif raf :killingme you should have a patch with rif raf mc on it:killingme

As you say I'm allowed to say that cause I'm Black (Have a KTM and Honda)

You know what they say, "Nice people ride Hondas" :crazy:

PS, will be good catch up on a ride soon as the sun shows up

[Woodman]

There is a rumour that there is a new FB page for us, Check out "New Zealand KLR650 Owners Group" its a closed to keep out the Honda and KTM rif raf but I'm sure the OP will let you join

Will check out the Shinko, or should I say Sinko tires


Don't do facebook:sick: , but off topic, why a KLR?

[10bikekid]

Don't do facebook:sick: , but off topic, why a KLR?

Perhaps a wise move (on both accounts)

Short answer, I wanted a Brand new DRBIG and Suzuki don't make one

Check list

Good fuel range, 22L over 400km
Shelter from the wind, Good fairing (have modified to make even better with raising kit)
Reasonably light weight (175-185kg) reasonable after KTM at 220kg (DR big 5kg heavier)
New and cost effective
Good power deliver and smooth (only found that out after riding a friends)
Reliable

My impressions so far, I've owned a couple of bikes in my time and this one is a gooden

Might go start a proper thread and get out of the tire guys way

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/170064-A-New-Toy-(KLR650)

[10bikekid]

I narroweddown my options (Shinko 700 to close to stock)

Karoo 3, real grovy, not much side grip off road, like Gold to buy

Karoo 2, Front looks about right rear to chunky

TKC80, front maybe to chunky knobs a bit shallow

Michelin T63 Hmm low cost shallow knobs ?

Dunlop 605, these could be the ones :Punk:

[dino3310]

you might need something cheaper on the rear the way your throttle seems to jam open on the metal or something with longativity like the E07.... just a thought

[10bikekid]

you might need something cheaper on the rear the way your throttle seems to jam open on the metal or something with longativity like the E07.... just a thought

I've changed I'm not like that anymore :facepalm:

E07 would be good but thier harder to find up here than (Angry) Birds Teeth :crazy:

[dino3310]

shinko 244 rear is a good cheaper tyre with reasonable life, works well on the xr but thats half the weight of the klr:shutup:
from memory i think woodman had one on the back of his klr so he'd have some performance info

http://www.bits4bikes.co.nz/ab4btyres/shinko-dual-sport-tyres/2681.aspx

[Woodman]

shinko 244 rear is a good cheaper tyre with reasonable life, works well on the xr but thats half the weight of the klr:shutup:
from memory i think woodman had one on the back of his klr so he'd have some performance info

http://www.bits4bikes.co.nz/ab4btyres/shinko-dual-sport-tyres/2681.aspx


244 was okay-ish . Basically lasted one dustybutt and performed well, but felt weird. Hard to explain really.

[RMOTO]

shinko 244 rear is a good cheaper tyre with reasonable life

A very clever man posted a great review on this tyre, come to think of it, he looks remarkably like you :msn-wink:

http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/shinko-244-rear/review-18/

[10bikekid]

I'm thinking the XR is not a good example as would probably get traction from the rims, woodman hasn't install confidence in the Shinko's for normal bikes, KLR probably needs Dunlops

What do you think Josh (BTW nice site) 605's ? (nice and smooth on the road but more grip that the Japanese Dunlop 750's off road)

We await your wisdom or other suggestions :corn:

[Logmaker]

I'm thinking the XR is not a good example as would probably get traction from the rims, woodman hasn't install confidence in the Shinko's for normal bikes, KLR probably needs Dunlops

What do you think Josh (BTW nice site) 605's ? (nice and smooth on the road but more grip that the Japanese Dunlop 750's off road)

We await your wisdom or other suggestions :corn:

Have had 605s on 2 trailys 250s they have excellent grip in wet etc but compound is little soft so did not get a good mileage but they never let me down , using SR244 on TTR cheap & give reasonable everthing . Good luck Cheers.

[10bikekid]

shinko 244 rear is a good cheaper tyre with reasonable life, works well on the xr but thats half the weight of the klr:shutup:
from memory i think woodman had one on the back of his klr so he'd have some performance info

http://www.bits4bikes.co.nz/ab4btyres/shinko-dual-sport-tyres/2681.aspx


Have had 605s on 2 trailys 250s they have excellent grip in wet etc but compound is little soft so did not get a good mileage but they never let me down , using SR244 on TTR cheap & give reasonable everthing . Good luck Cheers.

Thanks guys

Boy that Shinko word gets thrown around a lot here :psst:

The 244 looks a bit more aggressive than the 700 a few have mentioned, you got to say they look like value for money, reasonable smooth for the road but with some aggression,

One thing I will say though, the Dunlop rubber compound is quite soft which gives big grip on the road (DRBIG was able to keep up with road 600's in tight stuff with 606's)

I'm thinking the Shinko wont hang on as well in those situations as rubbers probably harder ?? :blink:

Just did the pricing, Set a Shinko 244's $175 + fitting, Dunlop 605. $375's + fitting, phew bit of a difference :shit:

[george formby]

Just did the pricing, Set a Shinko 244's $175 + fitting, Dunlop 605. $375's + fitting, phew bit of a difference :shit:

Heh, you does maths like me. I also factor in 10% extra caution, 30% better wear and minus 4 degrees of lean angle with the cheaper tires. Consequently I always arrive second & never buy the coffees. Shinko for the Scottish win.

[10bikekid]

Heh, you does maths like me. I also factor in 10% extra caution, 30% better wear and minus 4 degrees of lean angle with the cheaper tires. Consequently I always arrive second & never buy the coffees. Shinko for the Scottish win.

That's the thing, I'm not always known to do caution :nono:, so might have to buy the coffees ??? :(

Best head of now, will probable be counting tires all night now :rolleyes:

[george formby]

I'm a chef & never, in 35 years, have I tasted scenery worth the effort of putting me face in it. And the bad taste lingers a long time.
Mind you, the scenery smells nice so I still try to get my head close to it. Came home with a bit of Ti tree jammed between me visor & hemlet the other day. :facepalm:

[JATZ]

I narroweddown my options (Shinko 700 to close to stock)

Karoo 3, real grovy, not much side grip off road, like Gold to buy

Karoo 2, Front looks about right rear to chunky

TKC80, front maybe to chunky knobs a bit shallow

Michelin T63 Hmm low cost shallow knobs ?

Dunlop 605, these could be the ones :Punk:

605 on the front of the GS, EO7 on the rear, works for me
TKC seemed to go o.k.
EO-10 was a complete shocker, lasted about 100 k's :weep:

[10bikekid]

605 on the front of the GS, EO7 on the rear, works for me
TKC seemed to go o.k.
EO-10 was a complete shocker, lasted about 100 k's :weep:

Sounds close, your not gonna say Shinko then :shutup:

[RMOTO]

I'm thinking the XR is not a good example as would probably get traction from the rims, woodman hasn't install confidence in the Shinko's for normal bikes, KLR probably needs Dunlops

What do you think Josh 605's ?

I happily sacrifice longevity and go for more aggressive tyres so when I encounter serious off road conditions all loaded up with gear, I have the tyre for the job and I get where I need to go.

The Dunlop 605 is a nice medium/soft compound for general tarmac and gravel touring but does not get the mileage from a tyre that comes up so short in off road terrain; especially muddy/rutty/greasy/loose terrain.
http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/dunlop-605-rear/review-2/

I always enjoy trying new tyres and frequently try new ones but I always have a few proven tyres in the shed ready to fit to the bike depending on riding conditions. Among many good tyres, these are frequent fitters:

http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/mitas-c-02-rear/
http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/mitas-c-16-rear/
http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/mitas-e-09-rear/

As for a front, this is a seldom mentioned tyre that performs very well

http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/mitas-xt-644-front/

Very personal topic this tyre thing, a lot of focus is on tread pattern which of course is valid but riding the bike running fully loaded @ 16psi in tough off road conditions brings quality of the casings into play and if they can endure the load plus continual abuse and case flexing.

[NordieBoy]

I happily sacrifice longevity and go for more aggressive tyres so when I encounter serious off road conditions all loaded up with gear, I have the tyre for the job and I get where I need to go.

Same here.

[bigboy]

?? Please . . . and a clutch handle?

[_Shrek_]

?? Please . . . and a clutch handle?

catch up with Linton at Dirt Action they're in Saxton st he'll sort ya out

[R650R]

Just put a Pirelli Scorpion MT90 AT 90/90/21 on the front of DR, very impressed.
Tons of grip on tarmac (touched peg down on road in third gear-whats that noise ) and slightly better than the Trailwing on gravel, surprisingly as the tread blocks are a little closer together.
Very happy for just over $100 major brand name tyre.

[10bikekid]

Just put a Pirelli Scorpion MT90 AT 90/90/21 on the front of DR, very impressed.
Tons of grip on tarmac (touched peg down on road in third gear-whats that noise ) and slightly better than the Trailwing on gravel, surprisingly as the tread blocks are a little closer together.
Very happy for just over $100 major brand name tyre.

Agreed, awesome tire for what you described
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[10bikekid]

I happily sacrifice longevity and go for more aggressive tyres so when I encounter serious off road conditions all loaded up with gear, I have the tyre for the job and I get where I need to go.

The Dunlop 605 is a nice medium/soft compound for general tarmac and gravel touring but does not get the mileage from a tyre that comes up so short in off road terrain; especially muddy/rutty/greasy/loose terrain.
http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/dunlop-605-rear/review-2/

I always enjoy trying new tyres and frequently try new ones but I always have a few proven tyres in the shed ready to fit to the bike depending on riding conditions. Among many good tyres, these are frequent fitters:

http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/mitas-c-02-rear/
http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/mitas-c-16-rear/
http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/mitas-e-09-rear/

As for a front, this is a seldom mentioned tyre that performs very well

http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/mitas-xt-644-front/

Very personal topic this tyre thing, a lot of focus is on tread pattern which of course is valid but riding the bike running fully loaded @ 16psi in tough off road conditions brings quality of the casings into play and if they can endure the load plus continual abuse and case flexing.


Same here.

Thanks guys but as I say no Mitas Tyre shop in Auckland, think this is what I'm going settle on after a possible South Island Trip

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/19824/i/michelin-t63-dual-sport-front-tire

[george formby]

Just put a Pirelli Scorpion MT90 AT 90/90/21 on the front of DR, very impressed.
Tons of grip on tarmac (touched peg down on road in third gear-whats that noise ) and slightly better than the Trailwing on gravel, surprisingly as the tread blocks are a little closer together.
Very happy for just over $100 major brand name tyre.

Most excellent. I was feeling a bit lonely in my faith of this tire. I ran 34psi as the norm but got down to 18psi on gravel. The lower pressure on the loose made a big improvement but turn on the tar went gluey. Hugely impressed on wet tar, too.

[10bikekid]

Most excellent. I was feeling a bit lonely in my faith of this tire. I ran 34psi as the norm but got down to 18psi on gravel. The lower pressure on the loose made a big improvement but turn on the tar went gluey. Hugely impressed on wet tar, too.

:yes:

I wont run anything else on the KTM and their gravel performance is well above their appearance, I run 34-37 on the road 22-25 on the gravel (Bike about 240kg loaded)
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[Hobbyhorse]

Thanks guys but as I say no Mitas Tyre shop in Auckland, think this is what I'm going settle on after a possible South Island Trip

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/19824/i/michelin-t63-dual-sport-front-tire

I thought I saw Mitas tyres in Techmoto in Kingsland ....

[10bikekid]

I thought I saw Mitas tyres in Techmoto in Kingsland ....

Ta for the heads up
Apparently so, you have to go to IMS web site then give Phill (owner of Techmoto I presume) the tire specs by email, he will reply with a quote and can fit them and balance them but not while you wait, hmm, not your just drop into cycle treads deal (though he said he used to work for them) but still better than nothing for us don't get our hands dirty on a tire lever type

http://www.techmoto.co.nz/

http://www.lmsimports.co.nz/products.php?cat=2

[R650R]

Good to hear others good results with the Pirelli, latest model was actually designed as OEM fitment for KTM690.

Meant to mention yesterday that usually you can feel a full tank (20L) on the front end but with the Pirelli it was a very consistant good feeling from full tank to half tank ride.

[pete-blen]

I'm trying to find a 130?/17 rear ADV style tyre with
a square profile , flat tread area.. Chin Shin use to make 510/17 trials
patten tyre that would have been perfect.... but not
seen them around for years now...

so whats out there....??

[dino3310]

e07 is pretty flat

[10bikekid]

e07 is pretty flat

How does that work for cornering ? :facepalm:

[10bikekid]

I'm trying to find a 130?/17 rear ADV style tyre with
a square profile , flat tread area.. Chin Shin use to make 510/17 trials
patten tyre that would have been perfect.... but not
seen them around for years now...

so whats out there....??

Might we ask your reasoning sir ?:scratch:

PS, you can still get Trials tires for sure (Mitas even ?)

[NordieBoy]

Might we ask your reasoning sir ?:scratch:

PS, you can still get Trials tires for sure (Mitas even ?)

Sounds like he's being up an adv sidechair again...

The E07 is probably the flattest profile.
Apart from a Pirelli MT43...

[pete-blen]

Might we ask your reasoning sir ?:scratch:



Yes you may ask....

I am in the process of building a daka style ADV sidecar unit
for my XT660R... " yes again Mr Nordie"
As it won't lean... I dont require rounded profile tyres which
would wear the centre out very fast...

Or cheap tyres that can be replaced...

[10bikekid]

Ah ha, the physics of that makes sense, In Amer ica I think they put car tires on bike rims as well ?

PS. An old friend of mine raced motorcross side cars in the British champs many moons ago, they go hard on those things

[pete376403]

Ah ha, the physics of that makes sense, In Amer ica I think they put car tires on bike rims as well ?

PS. An old friend of mine raced motorcross side cars in the British champs many moons ago, they go hard on those things
Car tyres on bikes (aka darksiding) works BUT bike and car rims have quite different profiles, which can lead to tyre failure.

[dino3310]

for the DR lads http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/tyres/auction-794095929.htm

[bigboy]

Has anyone heard or tried these tires Heidenau k60 for dr650 rear ?

[RMOTO]

Has anyone heard or tried these tires Heidenau k60 for dr650 rear ?

The K60 range has variations in tread pattern based on the tyre size so effectively there are four different types in the K60 range

Here is some feedback on the K60-140/130 and K60-150/70

http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/heidenau-k60-scout-140130-rear/

http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/heidenau-k60-scout-150-rear/

[Muzz67]

Is there a reasonably gravel-oriented tyre available for a 17inch front??
Cheers!

[10bikekid]

Is there a reasonably gravel-oriented tyre available for a 17inch front??
Cheers!

Any skinny rear ? , like your range of bikes which one has the 17

I think this designed for that http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/326-pirelli_trail/4937-pirelli_mt_60_rs_onoff_road_tr.aspx

[Muzz67]

Any skinny rear ? , like your range of bikes which one has the 17
Cheers,, Wondered about a rear,,some dont say rear only, some say specifically rear. need advice really.
All three bikes can be used on 17s. 79XR500 and DRZ both done many laps of Ruapuna.

[_Shrek_]

just found out today that the full bore is in fact a shinko...... :brick:
& this one like all the others has delaminated peace of shit tyres

[Trials Rider]

just found out today that the full bore is in fact a shinko...... :brick:
& this one like all the others has delaminated peace of shit tyres

Do we take it that you dont like it then :lol:

[Woodman]

Metzler Sahara 3 update. Put front and rear on bike (BMW R100GS). Done just under 3500kms last week and they performed very well in all conditions. Rear is now toast, front is still looking good.

[_Shrek_]

Do we take it that you dont like it then :lol:

how very observant :bleh: .... when I brought them off CT I said that they looked like the 705 & the guy said they're a totally different tyre, last time I buy anything off them AH's

[NordieBoy]

just found out today that the full bore is in fact a shinko...... :brick:
& this one like all the others has delaminated peace of shit tyres

The yank's were crowing about them as they were much better than the 705, and made in the US.

[_Shrek_]

The yank's were crowing about them as they were much better than the 705, and made in the US.


I'll take some pic's & put them up.... be the same as last time... no good for big bikes

[dino3310]

mitas front http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/tyres/auction-800220382.htm

[cruza]

I'll take some pic's & put them up.... be the same as last time... no good for big bikes

So shrek , what do I run on my Gs for general duties on shingle/ rally hack ...... E07's ? Reckon I'll be bit tamer than some of the places you take your bike:no: .

[_Shrek_]

So shrek , what do I run on my Gs for general duties on shingle/ rally hack ...... E07's ? Reckon I'll be bit tamer than some of the places you take your bike:no: .

EO7's a good choice & run the front backwards better braking on the metal & makes no difference to handling on the seal

[Aslan]

EO7's a good choice & run the front backwards better braking on the metal & makes no difference to handling on the seal

Saw Shrek commenting so took a look and decided to 'chime in' - Fitted a TKC80 front and MitasE07 rear to my R1200GS last October - done 12000km since then - TKC80 almost done - going to Whanga on it this weekend. Rear Mitas about half worn at 12000km. Subject to finances this is my favourite tyre combo. This use includes travel to the 'Burt' last year via Molesworth and Nevis, Cape to Cape with Taranaki Hard Core, and recently travel to Wanaka via the West Coast (both ways) to see my daughter.

[cruza]

Saw Shrek commenting so took a look and decided to 'chime in' - Fitted a TKC80 front and MitasE07 rear to my R1200GS last October - done 12000km since then - TKC80 almost done - going to Whanga on it this weekend. Rear Mitas about half worn at 12000km. Subject to finances this is my favourite tyre combo. This use includes travel to the 'Burt' last year via Molesworth and Nevis, Cape to Cape with Taranaki Hard Core, and recently travel to Wanaka via the West Coast (both ways) to see my daughter.

Yeah ran a E07 for over 15000km and was still going on 2nd bike when I sold it. Sound like they wear well on bigger bikes too then , Looks like I better order a set .

[_Shrek_]

Yeah ran a E07 for over 15000km and was still going on 2nd bike when I sold it. Sound like they wear well on bigger bikes too then , Looks like I better order a set .

have a look at this site Paul... I'll be trying out one of these as soon as they're back in stock

http://goldentyre.co.nz/cart/image/cache/data/GT201-rear-228x228.jpg

[pete-blen]

have a look at this site Paul... I'll be trying out one of these as soon as they're back in stock

http://goldentyre.co.nz/cart/image/cache/data/GT201-rear-228x228.jpg

have looked at those..but they only make it in 150/17..bit big for the XT..
I have been useing there GT230 on the TTR... seem to work as good as
any other tyre i have had on it.. only 89 notes...
====> http://goldentyre.co.nz/cart/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=57

[Padmei]

Where are you guys buying tyres from nowadays? It's been a while since I needed one. I'm after a Dunlop 21inch D606 & they're nearly $200 - talk about having heart palpitations thinking about getting my wallet out for that kind of dollars.
Seen them on cyclettreads.
Worthwhile getting one from OS?

[R650R]

Where are you guys buying tyres from nowadays? It's been a while since I needed one. I'm after a Dunlop 21inch D606 & they're nearly $200 - talk about having heart palpitations thinking about getting my wallet out for that kind of dollars.
Seen them on cyclettreads.
Worthwhile getting one from OS?

ADV tyres still cheaper overall here in NZ. Only top of the line ($XXX+) sportsbike tyres are worth the shipping from USA at normal rates.

No dunlops but got Pirelli at great price from these guys http://www.motoone.co.nz/tyres-558/dual-purpose-600
And just had a Michelin rear for GSXR overnighted from Cycletreads... but often it seems they are out of stock....

[Padmei]

ADV tyres still cheaper overall here in NZ. Only top of the line ($XXX+) sportsbike tyres are worth the shipping from USA at normal rates.

No dunlops but got Pirelli at great price from these guys http://www.motoone.co.nz/tyres-558/dual-purpose-600
And just had a Michelin rear for GSXR overnighted from Cycletreads... but often it seems they are out of stock....

Chur bro

I can't believe they still have the FTCR

[Woodman]

Where are you guys buying tyres from nowadays? It's been a while since I needed one. I'm after a Dunlop 21inch D606 & they're nearly $200 - talk about having heart palpitations thinking about getting my wallet out for that kind of dollars.
Seen them on cyclettreads.
Worthwhile getting one from OS?

Hearing ya bro.

Try an MT21 instead as not a lot of difference in performance from d606 really.

just fitted an e07 rear on the GS last night, hopefully will last a bit longer than the Sahara as neither are cheap.

[Padmei]

Hearing ya bro.

Try an MT21 instead as not a lot of difference in performance from d606 really.

just fitted an e07 rear on the GS last night, hopefully will last a bit longer than the Sahara as neither are cheap.

Yeah nah I used to ride MT21s on Gonzo but found they wore too quickly. I have to add in the cost of getting a bike shop to fit the tyre so would rather get one that lasts a little longer. The AC10 I got on the front is good but i really need some knobs up front for confidence getting the big beast round corners.

E07s are THE shit for big bikes i reckon. I can't go to any other tyre after those. The wear is bloody good & for some reason they seem to get better when worn to the centreline.

[NordieBoy]

Try an MT21 instead as not a lot of difference in performance from d606 really.
You know how he treats MT21's...
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[Padmei]

Like I needed more than that - we were riding on grass anyway- you don't need grip for grass:nono:

[Hobbyhorse]

I have EO7s on the BMW R80/7 and after 1000ks was concerned by the cracking on the tyres where the blocks meet the centre ridge or tread depth ridge. I phoned Robyn at LMS Imports in Palmerston and he assured me it is purely cosmetic and nothing to be worried about .... I hope he is right. I have 32lbs in the front tyre and 36lbs in the rear.

[Padmei]

I have EO7s on the BMW R80/7 and after 1000ks was concerned by the cracking on the tyres where the blocks meet the centre ridge or tread depth ridge. I phoned Robyn at LMS Imports in Palmerston and he assured me it is purely cosmetic and nothing to be worried about .... I hope he is right. I have 32lbs in the front tyre and 36lbs in the rear.

I can't comment on that other than say there is a fair bit of rubber at those points. I sold Snotso my KLX400 with a worrying looking gark on the side of the front tyre (D606 & I did inform the new owner) When I looked inside the tyre there was a shitload of rubber, wire & stuff between it & the tube so didn't worry too much about it.

[Woodman]

Yeah nah I used to ride MT21s on Gonzo but found they wore too quickly. I have to add in the cost of getting a bike shop to fit the tyre so would rather get one that lasts a little longer. The AC10 I got on the front is good but i really need some knobs up front for confidence getting the big beast round corners.

E07s are THE shit for big bikes i reckon. I can't go to any other tyre after those. The wear is bloody good & for some reason they seem to get better when worn to the centreline.

Thought I would give changing it myself a go even after a warning from you that airhead GS tyres were hard to do. Was no harder than the KLR really. Only ass was fitting a tube cos they are out of e07 tubelesseseses.

[10bikekid]

Am going to try the TKC80 front Michelin T63 rear once Ive done the road trip on the stockers

Discovered something though, if you run the recommended 21psi even my stock tires wear out real quick with obvious wear at 2500ks, had to pump mine up into the earl 30's just so I can make the 2000k round trip we are embarking on next week (maybe the KLR has to much power :rolleyes:)
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[Night Falcon]

....maybe the KLR has to much power :rolleyes:


on descents, the wheels are going slower than the bike as gravity takes hold and skids all that pork down hill scrubbing off ya tread - oiling the tires helps or so they say :devil2:

[Trials Rider]

on descents, the wheels are going slower than the bike as gravity takes hold and skids all that pork down hill scrubbing off ya tread - oiling the tires helps or so they say :devil2:

Ha ha if you use two stroke oil on your tyres does it come with a power band :lol:

[10bikekid]

on descents, the wheels are going slower than the bike as gravity takes hold and skids all that pork down hill scrubbing off ya tread - oiling the tires helps or so they say :devil2:


Ha ha if you use two stroke oil on your tyres does it come with a power band :lol:

With oil on the tires it might even wheelspin :Punk:, the KLR hits so hard you have no time to think about a powerband :msn-wink:

[Padmei]

Bugger
Just missed a set of near new 606s in bloody nelson for $60 on trademe. Bumf##k I snoozed & loosed:mad:

[dino3310]

Am going to try the TKC80 front Michelin T63 rear once Ive done the road trip on the stockers

Discovered something though, if you run the recommended 21psi even my stock tires wear out real quick with obvious wear at 2500ks, had to pump mine up into the earl 30's just so I can make the 2000k round trip we are embarking on next week (maybe the KLR has to much power :rolleyes:)


naa just shite tires

[Padmei]

When I got my 07 KLR the first thing people did was get rid of the stock tyres- they were crap. Dunno what they come out with nowadays

[Trials Rider]

Bugger
Just missed a set of near new 606s in bloody nelson for $60 on trademe. Bumf##k I snoozed & loosed:mad:

Would you like some tyre oil to go with that wine:lol:

[10bikekid]

When I got my 07 KLR the first thing people did was get rid of the stock tyres- they were crap. Dunno what they come out with nowadays

Dunlop K750 which you can't actually buy in NZ, they are good tires for what they are you can lean it over on the road till you freak and ok with low pressures off road, what I don't get is how a KTM950 rear can last 7k and a KLR only 5 (that power thing again I guess :facepalm:)

[Box'a'bits]

Dunlop K750 which you can't actually buy in NZ, they are good tires for what they are you can lean it over on the road till you freak and ok with low pressures off road, what I don't get is how a KTM950 rear can last 7k and a KLR only 5 (that power thing again I guess :facepalm:)
It's how it puts its power down (pulses), & sometimes variances in construction between tyre sizes. My KTM640 used to chew tyres. Similar ones on my R100GS (which is heavier & marginally more powerful) last longer...

[10bikekid]

It's how it puts its power down (pulses), & sometimes variances in construction between tyre sizes. My KTM640 used to chew tyres. Similar ones on my R100GS (which is heavier & marginally more powerful) last longer...

I knew I knew it, to much power is just shredding that tire :shifty:

[flashg]

I knew I knew it, to much power is just shredding that tire :shifty:


You should have bought yourself an XTZ 660 Tenere !!! I know they cost a little more but think of the savings on tyres. Awesome

[Trials Rider]

I knew I knew it, to much power is just shredding that tire :shifty:

You could get a DR650 with a massive 43HP that won't rip the skin of a rice pudding.

[10bikekid]

You should have bought yourself an XTZ 660 Tenere !!! I know they cost a little more but think of the savings on tyres. Awesome


You could get a DR650 with a massive 43HP that won't rip the skin of a rice pudding.

Nah Ill be ok, sure I get sore arms from g forces and am constantly fighting to keep the front wheel down but hay what the heck :crazy:

[NordieBoy]

You could get a DR650 with a massive 43HP that won't rip the skin of a rice pudding.

Where is it hiding 43hp?

[Trials Rider]

Where is it hiding 43hp?

Ha I thought you might ask that, there is a sneaky wee round box hidden under the spark plug, I thought I would fill it water :facepalm: to see if it made any difference but no it didn't :no:, the motor was a lot quieter though, mainly cos it wouldn't start. :shit:

[Oscar]

Where is it hiding 43hp?

It's the total HP of all the DR's in NZ.

[cruza]

Does E07 come into nz in a 150/70 r17 ?? Just looking round tonite , as in need of adv rubber for xmas

[Trials Rider]

Does E07 come into nz in a 150/70 r17 ?? Just looking round tonite , as in need of adv rubber for xmas

Linton at DAS had them ph 389 0080, there was quit a price jump from 140 to 150

[cruza]

Linton at DAS had them ph 389 0080, there was quit a price jump from 140 to 150

Cheers , will give him a bell Friday .

[JATZ]

Does E07 come into nz in a 150/70 r17 ?? Just looking round tonite , as in need of adv rubber for xmas

Yes... yes they do :yes: My tyre of choice for the 800

[cruza]

Yes... yes they do :yes: My tyre of choice for the 800

E07 front?

[JATZ]

E07 front?

Dunlop D605 at the moment. Good mileage and seem to hang on alright, although it does seem to push a bit when cornering on gravel, less psi would probably help. I'll probably go back to a TKC80 after this one though. Depending on $$ of course

[BrendanZX9R]

I really like the Eo7 on the rear of my 990. I've had both the 140/80-18 and the 150/70-18. Not a whole lot of difference between the 2 other than price. I'm happy to pay the extra for the 150 as i feel its handles better on the wider rim. The 140 had a flatter profile as it was stretched to fit the rim. and a tkc80 front - they work great together

[_Shrek_]

Does E07 come into nz in a 150/70 r17 ?? Just looking round tonite , as in need of adv rubber for xmas

I think Linton said $280 for a rear & $180 for a front,

[Muzz67]

Dunlop D605 at the moment. Good mileage and seem to hang on alright, although it does seem to push a bit when cornering on gravel, less psi would probably help. I'll probably go back to a TKC80 after this one though. Depending on $$ of course
Hows the stator/charging on th BM? Got it sorted?

[cruza]

I think Linton said $280 for a rear & $180 for a front,

$475-500 seem figures I'm getting today .


Makes you think when I can buy a set today in aust for $320nz , be interesting what freight costs come back like .

[JATZ]

Hows the stator/charging on th BM? Got it sorted?
It's at the doctors being rewound. I should have it back next week end.

[cruza]

So silly as it sounds.... My mitas tyres are coming ex aust via air freight $$ ( because I need them this week) and are still $65 cheaper than I can buy thru shops locally , if they had them in stock .....

[Padmei]

So silly as it sounds.... My mitas tyres are coming ex aust via air freight $$ ( because I need them this week) and are still $65 cheaper than I can buy thru shops locally , if they had them in stock .....

Where did you buy them from? I asked some crowd over there about freight & they said no. I don't have a problem getting stuff in from o/s that doesn't need servicing later on.

[cruza]

Where did you buy them from? I asked some crowd over there about freight & they said no. I don't have a problem getting stuff in from o/s that doesn't need servicing later on.

online thru bikeshop.com.au . Sorted my own freight but they will do it as well . Will sort surface shipping in new year for future orders

[_Shrek_]

online thru bikeshop.com.au . Sorted my own freight but they will do it as well . Will sort surface shipping in new year for future orders

what sort of coin?

[Night Falcon]

online thru bikeshop.com.au . Sorted my own freight but they will do it as well . Will sort surface shipping in new year for future orders

Are LMS Imports the only Mitas supplier in NZ? They don't seem to carry a lot of stock so if the cost is comparable, getting some sent from Oz isn't a bad idea.

[Buddha#81]

or grab a set of K60 Heidenau's from North Canterbury http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/tyres/auction-822624708.htm cheaper, in stock and a fantastic tyre. 8,000 km out of the rear on my 1150GS and the same on my mates 990 Adventure (and we thrashed them). A great allrounder at a good price from good people.

[Night Falcon]

or grab a set of K60 Heidenau's from North Canterbury http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/tyres/auction-822624708.htm cheaper, in stock and a fantastic tyre. 8,000 km out of the rear on my 1150GS and the same on my mates 990 Adventure (and we thrashed them). A great allrounder at a good price from good people.

That is good buying - they have come way down in price.

FYI.........The photo in the picture is the 150/80/18 it has the joining block down the centre my last 2 140's didn't.

[BrendanZX9R]

bloody good price, especially considering the mileage you get out of them. Great value for money. But i still think the mitas eo7 is a better performing tyre in either 140/18/18 or 150/70-18 sizes. well thats what i've found on the 990 anyway.

[NordieBoy]

Are LMS Imports the only Mitas supplier in NZ? They don't seem to carry a lot of stock so if the cost is comparable, getting some sent from Oz isn't a bad idea.
They are the Mitas importer.

[Buddha#81]

That is good buying - they have come way down in price.

FYI.........The photo in the picture is the 150/80/18 it has the joining block down the centre my last 2 140's didn't.

Yeah I rate them, the rear still has 1000 km in it but wanted new rubber for the summer. A conservative rider will do 12,000km. My 8,000km was a true test of a full variety from mud gravel to chasing litre sports bikes to akaroa and the 85 hp 1/4 ton pig did well!!

[RMOTO]

Just put up a review on the GoldenTyre GT333

http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/goldentyre-gt-333-rear/

[george formby]

I'm sure there is info here about's, but me and the search function do not get on. Any hoo. I have a new steed in the shed, Gasgas Randonne. It is shod with MT 43 tubeless DOT approved trials (ish) tires. Anybody here had experience with these tires on & off road, the bike is rego'd & warranted, wet tar, gravel etc?
Just lookin for a bit of info. The bike is about 90kg wet and is not really a tire shredder. 125 air cooled 4t motor....

[NordieBoy]

What about them?
Got them on the TT350.

Guys up here with them on the back of KTM 300's that get a couple of season's out of them.

The diameter of the rear compared to a normal 18" is the same as gearing up a tooth on the front.

I run 18r/20f on the seal, 14r/16f gravel and 10r/16f in the rocky, slow stuff.

[Trials Rider]

I'm sure there is info here about's, but me and the search function do not get on. Any hoo. I have a new steed in the shed, Gasgas Randonne. It is shod with MT 43 tubeless DOT approved trials (ish) tires. Anybody here had experience with these tires on & off road, the bike is rego'd & warranted, wet tar, gravel etc?
Just lookin for a bit of info. The bike is about 90kg wet and is not really a tire shredder. 125 air cooled 4t motor....

Doesnt matter what the tyre is like, with a 125 4 stroke you will get about 18 years out of anyway:eek5: 7 Hp doesnt destroy anything:laugh:

OK bullshit aside a nice light weight bike, lots of fun, that type of tyre goes well in many places, its biggest enemy is mud and long wet grass, mind you there are not many tyres that perform in mud unless they have more gaps than knobs

[flashg]

Just bought the tyres I'll be using on the dusty butt. Pirelli MX EXTRA X front , a tyre that lasts well on the WR. Rear tyre is a Mitas C-02 . The Mitas comes highly recommended so that's both bikes sorted for up and coming dusty butt.

[george formby]

Cheers for a bit of feed back. I have yet to get the wee beast on the road but I guess the only thing I'm slightly concerned with is grip on wet tar. So far the grip in a soggy garden, wet grass, roots, clay banks, pungas, etc has been outstanding. Got shy of 10 psi front & rear. Bugger all deflection that I have noticed so far.
Quite rightly the bike is not a tire shredder but it does have the ability to wind itself around the back wheel at will. Quite startling really. I'm very impressed. Goes up and down concrete steps as if it was a ramp. Nothing like a TY.
I think the front tire might last until the second coming.

[Tazz]

Just bought the tyres I'll be using on the dusty butt. Pirelli MX EXTRA X front

That's surprising. Thought an MX tyre would get shredded rather quickly on the road.

[oneblackflag]

Looking to have a go at some serious tracks in the Coromandel over summer. Wires etc.

Have a Pirelli Mt 21 on the front ATM, advise needed for rear... I expect clay mud and lots of slippery rocks (even when dry). Will the Mt 21 do at front?

Maybe Mitas C-16 or EF-05?

[RMOTO]

...Maybe Mitas C-16 or EF-05?

Both of those tyres are great for technical terrain, hard to pick between the two but you can't go wrong with either

There are a couple of reviews here on the C-16: http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/mitas-c-16-rear/
And one review here on the EF-05: http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/mitas-ef-05-rear/

Good luck with your trip

[oneblackflag]

Both of those tyres are great for technical terrain, hard to pick between the two but you can't go wrong with either

There are a couple of reviews here on the C-16: http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/mitas-c-16-rear/
And one review here on the EF-05: http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/mitas-ef-05-rear/

Good luck with your trip

Thanks. Know where to buy online? Usually use cycletreads but they dont have them.

[flashg]

That's surprising. Thought an MX tyre would get shredded rather quickly on the road.


The last MX EXTRA X front lasted 4,500 kms and did the last dusty butt. I threw it in the garage rafters and my son the father of three who will be broke for years to come saw it and now has ot on his EXC 450 and loves it. I think it's a great tyre, there was a new one on the stolen WR 450.

[Tazz]

The last MX EXTRA X front lasted 4,500 kms and did the last dusty butt. I threw it in the garage rafters and my son the father of three who will be broke for years to come saw it and now has ot on his EXC 450 and loves it. I think it's a great tyre, there was a new one on the stolen WR 450.

Oh nice. Never would have considered them without hearing that. Food for thought for the future. Cheers.

[CrazyFrog]

Oh nice. Never would have considered them without hearing that. Food for thought for the future. Cheers.

The MX Xtra's provide great grip in gravel and have surprisingly good manners on the seal, but them's are not DOT approved.
Use them by all means, but not when you're getting a WOF, and possibly to the detriment of any insurance policy you might carry.

I run them on my 525 EXC because I get them for next to nothing, in lightly worn condition off a Mx'er mate, but make sure I'm legal when it counts.
Two wheel sets, get my drift? My cush hub wheel has a nice T63 on it.

[flashg]

The MX Xtra's provide great grip in gravel and have surprisingly good manners on the seal, but them's are not DOT approved.
Use them by all means, but not when you're getting a WOF, and possibly to the detriment of any insurance policy you might carry.

I run them on my 525 EXC because I get them for next to nothing, in lightly worn condition off a Mx'er mate, but make sure I'm legal when it counts.
Two wheel sets, get my drift? My cush hub wheel has a nice T63 on it.


My last one was not dot approved but this one has ( DOT XE 29 N337 0213 ) does this mean its DOT approved ? Also has rotation arrow ( made in Brazil ) and does not say.........NOT FOR HIGHWAY USE

[CrazyFrog]

My last one was not dot approved but this one has ( DOT XE 29 N337 0213 ) does this mean its DOT approved ? Also has rotation arrow ( made in Brazil ) and does not say.........NOT FOR HIGHWAY USE

Well that's a win if you've found one that is DOT stamped, you're half way there. I know they have changed the specs slightly with the new MX Xtra X tyre.
You said it doesn't have NOT FOR HIGHWAY USE marked, but sometimes manufacturer's abbreviate this with NHS stamp instead. If no stamp then you're good to go! :woohoo:

[10bikekid]

shinko 244 rear is a good cheaper tyre with reasonable life, works well on the xr but thats half the weight of the klr:shutup:
from memory i think woodman had one on the back of his klr so he'd have some performance info

http://www.bits4bikes.co.nz/ab4btyres/shinko-dual-sport-tyres/2681.aspx


Ok ok big head so you were right :pinch:

Awesome tire, grips well on the road, better off road by far than the stock and half the price of the last tire I bought
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Thanks Dino for the good advice

[Waihou Thumper]

Despite what all of the threads state both here and ADV, at the end of the day I have two considerations.
1. Budget - the obvious one
2. The longevity that could blow out reason 1...:)

So, I trolled around and came up with this

For the DL1000 tyres sizes are 110/80/19 front and 150/70/17 rear.
I have a few choices, so went and priced up. The differences are below -

Continental Attack $528 TKC80 - out of my league and not worth it for the style of riding for a DL1000
Metzler Tourance $583
Michelin Anakee $618
Avon Distanzia $494
Pirelli Scorpion Trail $593
Heidenau K76 $398
Shinko $305


Then there is the freight if applicable, the heavy duty tubes and the cost of fitting.
I would like a tyre that will last 9-12000 Km? if that is possible. Which comes back to longevity and how it is ridden and where.
70%/30% would be my option....So maybe quite road biased with metal and the odd beach/trails.

As you can see from the above there is quite a bit of differences in price. That isn't always indicative of the value for money though aye?

[flashg]

Big decisions, both my bikes run knobbly tyres all year ( always prepared) and all that,i think at those prices I'll stay with smaller bikes.
I thought you could run tubeless on the DL 1000.

[JATZ]

Personally I'd go with the heidenau's. I think you'd get a good run from a set. If they dont work out then try something else next time.
What about Mitas? I get 10-12k out of a rear E07 on the 800. May be a bit spendy though

[Waihou Thumper]

Personally I'd go with the heidenau's. I think you'd get a good run from a set. If they dont work out then try something else next time.
What about Mitas? I get 10-12k out of a rear E07 on the 800. May be a bit spendy though

Yep, that's why I did this, after using the Heidenaus on the Big a few years ago, they were good.
Haven't looked at Mitas. Can only get the E-10 rear...

[JATZ]

Yep, that's why I did this, after using the Heidenaus on the Big a few years ago, they were good.
Haven't looked at Mitas. Can only get the E-10 rear...
The E07 comes in 150-??X17 , I've also used 140-??X17 and not noticed any difference.
I tried an E-10 on the front but it melted quicker than an ice cream in mid summer. The rear may last a bit longer, who knows?

[10bikekid]

Despite what all of the threads state both here and ADV, at the end of the day I have two considerations.
1. Budget - the obvious one
2. The longevity that could blow out reason 1...:)

So, I trolled around and came up with this

For the DL1000 tyres sizes are 110/80/19 front and 150/70/17 rear.
I have a few choices, so went and priced up. The differences are below -

Continental Attack $528 TKC80 - out of my league and not worth it for the style of riding for a DL1000
Metzler Tourance $583
Michelin Anakee $618
Avon Distanzia $494
Pirelli Scorpion Trail $593
Heidenau K76 $398
Shinko $305


Then there is the freight if applicable, the heavy duty tubes and the cost of fitting.
I would like a tyre that will last 9-12000 Km? if that is possible. Which comes back to longevity and how it is ridden and where.
70%/30% would be my option....So maybe quite road biased with metal and the odd beach/trails.

As you can see from the above there is quite a bit of differences in price. That isn't always indicative of the value for money though aye?



By the way Merry Christmas Guys, and Mark were would you get the Heidenaus at that price ?

[Waihou Thumper]

By the way Merry Christmas Guys, and Mark were would you get the Heidenaus at that price ?

From a bloke in CHC - direct importer.
Amberley, you'll find him on that buy and sell site :)

[Waihou Thumper]

The E07 comes in 150-??X17 , I've also used 140-??X17 and not noticed any difference.
I tried an E-10 on the front but it melted quicker than an ice cream in mid summer. The rear may last a bit longer, who knows?

Thanks, I looked and couldn't see the sizes, so presume they have to be ordered from Aussie or something?

[dino3310]

the shinko705 comes in a 150 although a little less aggresive http://www.bits4bikes.co.nz/ab4btyres/shinko-dual-sport-tyres/2684.aspx

[Waihou Thumper]

the shinko705 comes in a 150 although a little less aggresive http://www.bits4bikes.co.nz/ab4btyres/shinko-dual-sport-tyres/2684.aspx

Yes, that's what I priced up.

[Transalper]

Well that's a win if you've found one that is DOT stamped, you're half way there. I know they have changed the specs slightly with the new MX Xtra X tyre.
You said it doesn't have NOT FOR HIGHWAY USE marked, but sometimes manufacturer's abbreviate this with NHS stamp instead. If no stamp then you're good to go! :woohoo:

Front MX eXtra X is DOT, don't think the rear is.

[MarkH]

For my DR650 I'm looking at getting a new rear tyre of the standard size - 120/90/17.
A Shinko 744 is around $100
A Heidenau K60 is $140 + $15 shipping = $155
A Mitas E07 is ?

Anyone know what sort of price the Mitas is?
I'm a bit undecided on which of those 3 to buy.
At least they are cheaper than a new rear for the ST.

[R650R]

The Shinko E700 is the best cheapy tyre for DR's, its just as grippy as the 744 or the golden boy of same and the blocks wont split or break like they do on the others.
I stay away from those expensive 'higher mileage' flash tyres as lot of stuff on net says its from being harder compound and not as good on wet cold tarmac. I've had the Shinkos cranked over in the wet and awesome for such cheap tyre.

For the front you want Pirelli scorpion MT90 AT.

BTW on the rear 130/80/17 and 4.60x17 is damn close enough the same size as the 120 you mention, there's nothing in it.

[_Shrek_]

have a front & rear shinko front a rear here 19 & 17

be better off on a bike that's doesn't go any bigger than a 650

[Trials Rider]

My last one was not dot approved but this one has ( DOT XE 29 N337 0213 ) does this mean its DOT approved ? Also has rotation arrow ( made in Brazil ) and does not say.........NOT FOR HIGHWAY USE

DOT does not automatically mean road legal, it is an organisation with many approval numbers which relate to speed, load etc.

You would need to get the numbers and see what they actually stand for.

[Trials Rider]

For my DR650 I'm looking at getting a new rear tyre of the standard size - 120/90/17.
A Shinko 744 is around $100
A Heidenau K60 is $140 + $15 shipping = $155
A Mitas E07 is ?

Anyone know what sort of price the Mitas is?
I'm a bit undecided on which of those 3 to buy.
At least they are cheaper than a new rear for the ST.

Depends on what you want out of a tyre, I had an E07, good on the road and last well, but not good off road, no side holding and braking down hill is scary.

I run the Mitas E09 140/17 rear on my DR650, block pattern is very predictable both accelerating and braking, and good side holding, I really like it, noisy on road but that doesn't bother me.

Just another option and if you are doing a bit more off road I would definitely recommend it

[MarkH]

The Shinko E700 is the best cheapy tyre for DR's, its just as grippy as the 744 or the golden boy of same and the blocks wont split or break like they do on the others.
I stay away from those expensive 'higher mileage' flash tyres as lot of stuff on net says its from being harder compound and not as good on wet cold tarmac. I've had the Shinkos cranked over in the wet and awesome for such cheap tyre.

For the front you want Pirelli scorpion MT90 AT.

BTW on the rear 130/80/17 and 4.60x17 is damn close enough the same size as the 120 you mention, there's nothing in it.

Thanks for the suggestion, might pop in to the local Suzuki dealer and ask if they would like to get in an E700 460x17 tyre for me.

Now, why the Pirelli front tyre? Why not a Shinko E700? Currently the Mitas E07 is looking OK so there is no hurry to replace that one but it would be good to know why certain tyres might be a better choice.

[pete-blen]

Thanks for the suggestion, might pop in to the local Suzuki dealer and ask if they would like to get in an E700 460x17 tyre for me.

Now, why the Pirelli front tyre? Why not a Shinko E700? Currently the Mitas E07 is looking OK so there is no hurry to replace that one but it would be good to know why certain tyres might be a better choice.



I have been useing Shinko 700 front /rear for a couple years now on the XT660R...
As far as I'm concerned theres not a better tyre of this type/prise range
on the market... On to my 3rd set & there will be a 4th set after these are done.
Done 2 DB1k on them..

[MarkH]

I have been useing Shinko 700 front /rear for a couple years now on the XT660R...
As far as I'm concerned theres not a better tyre of this type/prise range
on the market... On to my 3rd set & there will be a 4th set after these are done.
Done 2 DB1k on them..

Sounds like a ringing endorsement!

I went for a ride today and on the gravel my trailwing was pretty squirrelly, I don't think I'll do much other than sealed roads until I replace that tyre. It doesn't have a whole lot of tread left anyway.

[Woodman]

Sounds like a ringing endorsement!

I went for a ride today and on the gravel my trailwing was pretty squirrelly, I don't think I'll do much other than sealed roads until I replace that tyre. It doesn't have a whole lot of tread left anyway.

I second Petes endorsment. They should be worth more.

[NordieBoy]

I went for a ride today and on the gravel my trailwing was pretty squirrelly, I don't think I'll do much other than sealed roads until I replace that tyre. It doesn't have a whole lot of tread left anyway.

Seated or standing?
What pressure?

[MarkH]

Seated or standing?
What pressure?

I was seated with plenty of weight on the back wheel, not sure on the pressure so I guess I should check that.
The obvious thing to me is that the rear tyre doesn't have a whole lot of tread in the middle which makes little difference on a dry sealed road but provides very little bite on gravel or dirt.

At this point it would probably be safe to just assume I don't know what I'm doing, I got fuck all experience with off road riding and only limited gravel experience.
Once I get a nice new tyre that guys here assure me is a good one then I'll know anything not working right is completely down to me.

[Woodman]

I was seated with plenty of weight on the back wheel, not sure on the pressure so I guess I should check that.
The obvious thing to me is that the rear tyre doesn't have a whole lot of tread in the middle which makes little difference on a dry sealed road but provides very little bite on gravel or dirt.

At this point it would probably be safe to just assume I don't know what I'm doing, I got fuck all experience with off road riding and only limited gravel experience.
Once I get a nice new tyre that guys here assure me is a good one then I'll know anything not working right is completely down to me.

The rear is going to move around on gravel. Get used to it. Don't sit on the back of the seat and learn to ride standing. Set pressures somewhere between 20 and 25psi.

My 2 cents

[CrazyFrog]

Do you think this one would squirrel around in the gravel?
Day 1 on Dakar Rally, Helder Rodrigues Metzeler Karoo Extreme after 350km.

https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10896936_1014297525251776_472768200806329080_n.jpg ?oh=f6d692d2058c4b6caf657e62cb4dcfd2&oe=5545B24B

Hmmm, I guess those mousse's got a bit hot.