Tyre choice for adventure riding? (Mixing road and off-road)

[Woodman]

Good info, will put 30psi in and see what happens. Lucky I got it cheap.

[Eddieb]

Low pressures kill TKC's.

30+ is the go untill you get on soft/slippery stuff.


My last one on the 950 lasted 8 days, 3500km at 35psi including the DB1k and the canvas was coming through. I'm not the most aggressive rider out there but the bike was fully loaded with 2 weeks of camping gear.

[Woodman]

My last one on the 950 lasted 8 days, 3500km at 35psi including the DB1k and the canvas was coming through. I'm not the most aggressive rider out there but the bike was fully loaded with 2 weeks of camping gear.

Would be happy with 3500km, but 2000km is all i reckon i will get outa this one and the DB will be about 2400km.:brick:

[NordieBoy]

Would be happy with 3500km, but 2000km is all i reckon i will get outa this one and the DB will be about 2400km.:brick:

Change it in ChCh on the way back...

[Woodman]

Change it in ChCh on the way back...

May have to,

Hey I see Tyreworld in St. Vincent street are advertising that they have the best deals on motorsickle tyres. May have to have a looksee.

[warewolf]

TKC80... produced by a company with a much better marketing than technical department. A tyre with very ordinary (and that's being kind) grip and durability, and an ultra-premium price. There's plenty of other tyres that work well without having to go to silly extremes of pressure to provide grip or durability - and cost a bias-belted shitload less. Why bother? :weird:

[Woodman]

TKC80... produced by a company with a much better marketing than technical department. A tyre with very ordinary (and that's being kind) grip and durability, and an ultra-premium price. There's plenty of other tyres that work well without having to go to silly extremes of pressure to provide grip or durability - and cost a bias-belted shitload less. Why bother? :weird:

Fcuk the tkc80. Tried riding with 30ish pressure and its orrible so ordered a new tyre for the dusty today.

[k14]

Fcuk the tkc80. Tried riding with 30ish pressure and its orrible so ordered a new tyre for the dusty today.
Get an MT21. Got one for $95 for the dusty butt. Fitted it the other day, haven't ridden on it yet but heard they are pretty good.

[NordieBoy]

Get an MT21. Got one for $95 for the dusty butt. Fitted it the other day, haven't ridden on it yet but heard they are pretty good.

Crap on hardpack with loose coating type terrain unless you steer with the throttle.
Try to tractor on loose surface climbs and you'll be wheel spinning in no time.


Brilliant on the front though.

[k14]

Crap on hardpack with loose coating type terrain unless you steer with the throttle.
Try to tractor on loose surface climbs and you'll be wheel spinning in no time.


Brilliant on the front though.
Sorry, should have said that was for a front. D606 on rear :sweatdrop

[Rosie]

Sorry, should have said that was for a front. D606 on rear :sweatdrop

MT21 front, D606 rear is my current aggressive-road-legal combo of choice :niceone:

[Transalper]

Several people down here trying out the Mitas C17 front on the DB this year... DR650 weight and lighter, not the Transalp, would wear rapidly trying to turn and/or stop the extra weight (something like that) they say.

[warewolf]

Get an MT21.Fronts are fairly popular but the Michelin T63 is a better bet for the rear (or the Mitas E-09 copy).

[k14]

Fronts are fairly popular but the Michelin T63 is a better bet for the rear (or the Mitas E-09 copy).
They were out of stock of the E-09's so I just went for the D606. They seem to get pretty good reviews, I think the T63 is rather pricey compared to the D606. I guess I will find out if it is any good next weekend :)

[Howie]

Fronts are fairly popular but the Michelin T63 is a better bet for the rear (or the Mitas E-09 copy).

Thats the choice I'm running with for the DB1K. MT21 Front, T63 Rear. Hopefully it works well:yes: Any recomendations on pressures to run?

[_Shrek_]

Thats the choice I'm running with for the DB1K. MT21 Front, T63 Rear. Hopefully it works well:yes: Any recomendations on pressures to run?

on the KLR no less than 20psi front & rear as it's quite rough & jmj had a puncher (snake bite) on the LC4 & it was caused from low pressure

[cooneyr]

Thats the choice I'm running with for the DB1K. MT21 Front, T63 Rear. Hopefully it works well:yes: Any recomendations on pressures to run?

If you ride aggressively, want good traction and don't mind burning the tyre in one ride then 22-24ish. If you are happy to compromise a little traction for a bit longer tyre life then 28ish.

There is a mix of grass, dirt, gravel and rocks (sharp) so the pressure will always be a compromise.

Cheers R

[NordieBoy]

Hopefully it works well:yes: Any recomendations on pressures to run?
KLR?
22f/20-22r

DR?
20f/18-20r

[Woodman]

unless you steer with the throttle.


Got a MT21 so if I have to steer with the throttle then I suppose I can live with the inconvenience.




Thats the choice I'm running with for the DB1K. MT21 Front, T63 Rear. Hopefully it works well:yes: Any recomendations on pressures to run?

Thats the combe I had last year and it wa very good, MT21 not as good as D606 front but close. Pressures were around 25ish front and rear.

The first Dusty pretty much completely wore out a new t63 by the time I got back to Nelson at 2500kms, but the second DB when I was laying off the throttle to stifle the oil usage it probly only wore about a third-ish.

[warewolf]

They were out of stock of the E-09's so I just went for the D606. They seem to get pretty good reviews, I think the T63 is rather pricey compared to the D606. I guess I will find out if it is any good next weekend :)I have no personal experience of the D606 - performance or price - because the rears are difficult if not impossible to get here in the size I need, and the price I was quoted didn't impress. I still have a shedful of fronts so won't have a chance to rate them for a while either.

Pricing varies heaps by size. For the rear 140/80-18 (or 130/80 if I have to) to suit the 640A, the western Euros are often cheaper than the far east and eastern bloc "cheapies" favoured by the DR/KLR set. Think I paid $135 and $139 for my last T63s, but the E-09 was $175 and $189 or something.

[Howie]

Thanks for the replies, probably run it most of the time at the higher pressure, except for maybe on the actual DB1k. Want them to hopefully last down to, and back up from the DB1k with a few detours along the way.

[warewolf]

The first Dusty pretty much completely wore out a new t63 by the time I got back to Nelson at 2500kms, but the second DB when I was laying off the throttle to stifle the oil usage it probly only wore about a third-ish.IME the T63 grips for 3000km and wore out at 4000km, whereas the MT21 only gripped for 2000km due to chunking and was done at 3500km. The T63 is also cheaper.

[Woodman]

IME the T63 grips for 3000km and wore out at 4000km, whereas the MT21 only gripped for 2000km due to chunking and was done at 3500km. The T63 is also cheaper.

T63 is $40 more expensive nowadays. Still my favourite though.

[Fluffy Cat]

Have the 606's on the BRP and they work well and have lasted a while, don't have the mileage data sorry.
The pig does put out a bit of grunt but its not as heavy as some.:laugh:

[pete-blen]

Just got a Fullbore front tyre from cycletreads..
The pic is the fullbore beside a Shinko 705..
yer would need to read the name to tell
them apart... Both made in Korea so theres
a good chance they come from the same factory..
Fullbore has a slightly softer rubber , but it
is a front...Shinko's a rear...

[Buddha#81]

hey Chch Guys, these guys http://www.dirtzone.co.nz/ have been going for a month or so and stock MotoZ tyres http://www.motoz.co.nz/tyre-range.html . I dont know if they have been covered in here but I got a set of desert hard compond enduro tyres, Dot Rated. They are probally a bit more agressive than i'd like but for $180 for the set its worth the punt! Good crew in there too!

Right, the Dusty butts been and gone, the MotoZ's did a few hundred km befor the dusty, I did 1010km on the dusty itself and am VERY impressed

Road - noisy but seem to hang on ok.
Rock - performed well no chunking at all
Gravel - great when new
Mud - fantasic

the tyre is 3/4 worn so in extreme conditions on a XR650R the best you can expect is 2000 km out of the rear, the front is still in great nick but for what I payed for them they were purchased for the Dusty only and they did that perfectly!

[cynna]

Right, the Dusty butts been and gone, the MotoZ's did a few hundred km befor the dusty, I did 1010km on the dusty itself and am VERY impressed

Road - noisy but seem to hang on ok.
Rock - performed well no chunking at all
Gravel - great when new
Mud - fantasic

the tyre is 3/4 worn so in extreme conditions on a XR650R the best you can expect is 2000 km out of the rear, the front is still in great nick but for what I payed for them they were purchased for the Dusty only and they did that perfectly!

i did 1700k on mine which included matts ride down and about 200k on the seal on the way home. mine is about 3/4 worn as well since im more of a nana. not bad for a cheap tyre - and no punctures. i rode with 30psi since i forgot to drop the pressure and i think Buddha was running about 20ish

[NordieBoy]

The Shinko 705's didi well on the Dusty. Slipped and slid a bit in the slush and snow but who didn't. Didn't fall over once though which I put down to the tyres.

20psi front, 18psi rear.

The front was new and has now done 2,400km and has some whiskers still there.
The rear is now about 6,000km old and running fine.

The odo is sitting on 99,978km today...

[george formby]

The Shinko 705's didi well on the Dusty. Slipped and slid a bit in the slush and snow but who didn't. Didn't fall over once though which I put down to the tyres.

20psi front, 18psi rear.snow

The front was new and has now done 2,400km and has some whiskers still there.
The rear is now about 6,000km old and running fine.

The odo is sitting on 99,978km today...

I was impressed with the 705 on a wet clay & gravel track a while back, well the MT 90 front & Shinko rear. The wet clay had a huge pucker factor but even at 32 psi the 705 could be nursed through quite happily. Excerrent value.

[pete-blen]

The Shinko 705's didi well on the Dusty. Slipped and slid a bit in the slush and snow but who didn't. Didn't fall over once though which I put down to the tyres.

20psi front, 18psi rear.

The front was new and has now done 2,400km and has some whiskers still there.
The rear is now about 6,000km old and running fine.

The odo is sitting on 99,978km today...


the XT had a 705 on the rear when I got it "half worn"
I can't see a reasion to change it..grips well...
even at 40psi on gravel:facepalm:..way better at 20psi though...
just put one on the front...
Well a Fullbore... same dam tyre...

[NordieBoy]

even at 40psi on gravel:facepalm:..

And how much pressure was in the front?

[pete-blen]

And how much pressure was in the front?

dam..Can't remember.. It was a life time ago...

[NordieBoy]

dam..Can't remember.. It was a life time ago...

Something like 13psi or so wasn't it?

Matched to the 40psi rear nicely...

[pete-blen]

Something like 13psi or so wasn't it?

Matched to the 40psi rear nicely...

:violin::bleh:

[Fluffy Cat]

More air = more float.
That's what I say.

[Oscar]

More air = more float.
That's what I say.

More air - less heat.

[george formby]

More air - less heat.

Speaking of which.....

I'm loathe to lower the pressure of the rear 705 on the TDM, 150 70 - 17 for fear of it overheating on the tar seal. 2 up & loaded the bike will be 300kg + Any thoughts other than carry a pump?

[pete-blen]

Speaking of which.....

I'm loathe to lower the pressure of the rear 705 on the TDM, 150 70 - 17 for fear of it overheating on the tar seal. 2 up & loaded the bike will be 300kg + Any thoughts other than carry a pump?


Run Co2 in it... the tyre will soften as the temp drops on dirt/gravel/mud
compaired to seal..:shutup::shit:

[vegeman]

I've recently returned from the Yamaha Safari ride, and have managed to put 3000K's on the tyre. This is what I can tell you.

Road - excellent, smooth at speed, no noise tracks straight, corners real well, wet weather excellet..
gRavel - hard pack, all good and same again...

Mud and Wet grass etc....hmmm - not as good - why?, sidewalls too bloody stiff. When I rode the Mitas E07 (similar design really) the thing it could do, was run soft and then it would deform and grip on all sorts of shit. I was truly amazed at where the bike could go with that on the softest setting. These heidi's...sheesh unbelievably tuff walls! Its the only tyre I couldn't fit with levers and had to get the shop to use the machine, and even then, they still pinched the tube against the rim

So what does this mean - I got myself cocked up on one grassy hill and struggled to get grip (everyone was - yeah right)) so after letting the tyre down to 'easily' get myself out of the situation ie <8psi...the stupid tyre still wouldn't grip or bend - I was f'n annoyed. I eventually got up and left the tyre on that setting, I rode all roads etc on that soft setting...and the tyre still didn't bend. hmmm...this does make the tyre excellent for true long offroad travelleing as I think you could get a puncture, and you wouldn't even know!! for trail ride when you just can't also get momentum and you need grip...I'm gonna be a bit more concerned than I used to be....I'll now have to rethink my strategies for trail rides and tyres.

V

[dino3310]

T63 $159 http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/tyres/auction-444646141.htm

AC10 $99 http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/tyres/auction-444620636.htm

[k14]

T63 $159 http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/tyres/auction-444646141.htm

AC10 $99 http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/tyres/auction-444620636.htm
That T63 is cheap. Paid $220 for my D606 in december and it is at least 1/2 gone after the DB.

[Buddha#81]

makes feel good about 3/4 wearing a $90 MotoZ on the dusty:msn-wink:

[Woodman]

My brand new rear MT21 is 2/3 worn after the db which was 2300kms by the time I got home. It is less worn than the useless TKC80 is at 700kms:nono:

Was running about 30psi and performed very well in all conditions.
Almost no chunking or cracking at all which is odd considering the feedback from other mt21 users. Now my rear of choice. Similar on/off road performance to a t63 or an e09, but not as much fun as an e09 on gravel.

At $140 fitted was very good value.

[NordieBoy]

The 3000km old, rear Shinko 705 went well at 20psi. No rim creep either.
The front was a bit dodgy in the Lammermoor slush but no horizontal moments at all.

Tempted to pull the new front off and put the 22,000km one back on to get the last 5,000km or so out of it.

[chasio]

What's current best pick for a good value road-biased tyre?

I'm doing an AMCC training day at Puke in April so need something that is very confident on seal (wet and dry) and will be at least OK in the gravel (roads, not traps, I hope). I'm after a 100/90-19 or equivalent. I'm running E-07's now but will go back to my Tourance on the back for this gig, so for the front my shortlist right now is:

Shinko 705 - $152
Fullbore M40 - $129 (Same tyre as above?)
B/Stone TW101 - $136
Mitas E-08's (price? got a bit up there I think)

Any thoughts?

[pete-blen]

What's current best pick for a good value road-biased tyre?

I'm doing an AMCC training day at Puke in April so need something that is very confident on seal (wet and dry) and will be at least OK in the gravel (roads, not traps, I hope). I'm after a 100/90-19 or equivalent. I'm running E-07's now but will go back to my Tourance on the back for this gig, so for the front my shortlist right now is:

Shinko 705 - $152
Fullbore M40 - $129 (Same tyre as above?)
B/Stone TW101 - $136
Mitas E-08's (price? got a bit up there I think)

Any thoughts?

Shinko or Fullbore..:first:
I have a fullbore front / shinko rear..
run them right to edge of the tread
with no sign of them letting go..

[chasio]

Shinko or Fullbore..:first:
I have a fullbore front / shinko rear..
run them right to edge of the tread
with no sign of them letting go..

Thanks. I know a lot of you rate the Shinkos and it's good to hear the Fullbores are indeed just as good. They're odds-on favourite right now, especially with Cycletreads just down the road...

[.chris]

I see that Cycletreads have added the Metzler Enduro3 (Sahara) (http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/324-metzeler_trail/8202-metzeler_enduro_3_enduro_onoff.aspx) tires to their catalog. Pretty limited sizes listed as available tho. I have enquired about a 140/80 -18. As at $219 that would be pretty good buying IMO.

[clint640]

I see that Cycletreads have added the Metzler Enduro3 (Sahara) (http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/324-metzeler_trail/8202-metzeler_enduro_3_enduro_onoff.aspx) tires to their catalog. Pretty limited sizes listed as available tho. I have enquired about a 140/80 -18. As at $219 that would be pretty good buying IMO.

Especially with the escalating price of E0-7's... Anybody run both that can give us a comparo?

Cheers
Clint

[cooneyr]

Especially with the escalating price of E0-7's... Anybody run both that can give us a comparo?

Cheers
Clint

I remember Warewolf saying once that Sahara's were de rigour RTW tyres at one point in time.

I was looking at them instead of E07's for the 950 ADV cause they look like they might be a little more open. Never bothered to find any though given the price and availability of E07's a couple of years back.

[.chris]

Especially with the escalating price of E0-7's... Anybody run both that can give us a comparo?

Cheers
Clint

I have run both.
I got about 12,000km out of the rear Sahara3, I have about 10,00km out of the E-07 so far, I would estimate another 2-4000km left in it.
I would rate the E-07 as slighty better in the dirt, but not much better. On road, I would say the Sahara was better, my E-07 at 10,000km is very square profiled, the Sahara kept its shape better wearing out.
I do remember the Sahara3 being great in the sand.

[Steelie]

I have run both.
I got about 12,000km out of the rear Sahara3, I have about 10,00km out of the E-07 so far, I would estimate another 2-4000km left in it.
I would rate the E-07 as slighty better in the dirt, but not much better. On road, I would say the Sahara was better, my E-07 at 10,000km is very square profiled, the Sahara kept its shape better wearing out.
I do remember the Sahara3 being great in the sand.

Chris, you must have limited movement in your right wrist to acheive that many kms from a tyre. :confused:

[cooneyr]

Chris, you must have limited movement in your right wrist to acheive that many kms from a tyre. :confused:

I had a E07 on the back of my previous 950 Adv S and got to 10,000km with a little life left and I wasn't particularly gentle on it. The E07's do last a long time. Would be my tyre of choice (or similar pattern) for a RTW trip.

[clint640]

Chris, you must have limited movement in your right wrist to acheive that many kms from a tyre. :confused:

Nah, if you go easy on them you get 20K+ according to a RTW DR rider I once met - he definitely had a sedate riding style though :yawn:

Although I heard a rumour that E0-7's being made as of the last 6 months or so have a slightly softer compound to improve wet grip.

Cheers
Clint

[_Shrek_]

Nah, if you go easy on them you get 20K+

I got 23k out of my last one, (140/70 x17) but it was all tarseal & straight running from Canterbury to Roxburgh return weekly, just waiting for a front so I can fit them both together, & they will be the right size for the Rena, ie 150/70x17 & 110/80x19 tubless so it will be interesting to see how these last with the softer compound

[chasio]

I got 23k out of my last one, (140/70 x17) but it was all tarseal & straight running from Canterbury to Roxburgh return weekly, just waiting for a front so I can fit them both together, & they will be the right size for the Rena, ie 150/70x17 & 110/80x19 tubless so it will be interesting to see how these last with the softer compound

Could be a while before we see tyres made that recently (i.e. 'softer' tyres made within last 6 months) in NZ, depending on stock and shipments... I have an E-07 rear that was fitted early last year but was manufactured in 2008, for example.

[_Shrek_]

Could be a while before we see tyres made that recently (i.e. 'softer' tyres made within last 6 months) in NZ, depending on stock and shipments... I have an E-07 rear that was fitted early last year but was manufactured in 2008, for example.

have the new rear came in Dec 2011 made in april & front on the way down came in this month new batch

[Padmei]

What are the E07 fronts like. I always use the rear but with a 606 front. Would the fronts be worth it?

[NordieBoy]

What are the E07 fronts like. I always use the rear but with a 606 front. Would the fronts be worth it?

The fronts are fine. Nothing to write home about.

Got a spare one here in :innocent:

[warewolf]

I see that Cycletreads have added the Metzler Enduro3 (Sahara) (http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/324-metzeler_trail/8202-metzeler_enduro_3_enduro_onoff.aspx) tires to their catalog. Pretty limited sizes listed as available tho. I have enquired about a 140/80 -18. As at $219 that would be pretty good buying IMO.They're baaaaack! Price seems pretty sharp now. These seemed to drop off the radar a few years ago because they skyrocketed in price, IIRC. I know I never bought new replacements for the OEMs on the 640A due to price.


I remember Warewolf saying once that Sahara's were de rigour RTW tyres at one point in time.Even in the very late '90s Haldanes were fitting them by firm request to RTWers that wouldn't use anything else. Some of those we hosted acknowledged they were 'the best' even if they couldn't afford them. Quite possibly they were knocked off their perch by the TKC80, but that's pure speculation on my part.


I got about 12,000km out of the rear Sahara3, ...
I do remember the Sahara3 being great in the sand.Faaark! 4400km for me, and only 6400km from the front... quite a dfference. Apparently they run a sticky sports compound in the front to get the thing to grip tarseal like a road tyre. Second most expensive tyre I've run, slightly more expensive than the MT21s but the TKC80 was another 25% again (I was led to believe the extended life over the Sahara would justify their high price, but it was not to be). Don't remember how they were in sand, but the TKC80 delivered heaps more grip on gravel/rocky roads, a very noticeable improvement. Road manners on the TKC80 left a lot to be desired, esp. compared to the Sahara.

[Woodman]

The mt21 rear I put on for the dusty is now toast. Just under 3000kms. About normal, same as t63 and e09, but has worn better e.g. less chunking and cracking, in fact almost none compared with the others.

Whats a good ghey tyre?, bit over knobblies but don't want anakee/705 type, something in between.

[pete-blen]

The mt21 rear I put on for the dusty is now toast. Just under 3000kms. About normal, same as t63 and e09, but has worn better e.g. less chunking and cracking, in fact almost none compared with the others.

Whats a good ghey tyre?, bit over knobblies but don't want anakee/705 type, something in between.

These
http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/324-metzeler_trail/8202-metzeler_enduro_3_enduro_onoff.aspx

[warewolf]

The mt21 rear I put on for the dusty is now toast. Just under 3000kms. About normal, same as t63 and e09, but has worn better e.g. less chunking and cracking, in fact almost none compared with the others.Unusual, most ppl including myself find the T63 chunks a lot less than the MT21.worse than the others. Correction: chunks worse than the T63.


Whats a good ghey tyre?, bit over knobblies but don't want anakee/705 type, something in between.Shinko SR244 (http://www.shinkotire.co.kr/english/02product/sub01_detail.asp?pcode=AA00050045), or Mitas E-07.

[NordieBoy]

Got half an E07 rear here you can try...

[Padmei]

Got half an E07 rear here you can try...

They only get run in at half worn:yes:

[NordieBoy]

They only get run in at half worn:yes:

More rubber = more grip ;)

Unless it's wet grass and a really bald MT21 front.

Got E07 and 705 fronts for you to try if needededded.

[Padmei]

Unless it's wet grass and a really bald MT21 front.



Never had any problems before with that setup:whistle:

[fridayflash]

local suzuki shop is getting me in a vee rubber vrm147 rear for the dr
needing something knobby for the coming weekend
$110 sounds good to me..aparantly k760 and mt21 were outa stock
and mitas e-09 was $179 so will give this cheapy a run
i understand it copy of the pirelli...be intermeresting to see how long it lasts

[Taz]

I used to get 5000kms out of a VRM147 on my XT600.

[Eddieb]

local suzuki shop is getting me in a vee rubber vrm147 rear for the dr
needing something knobby for the coming weekend
$110 sounds good to me..aparantly k760 and mt21 were outa stock
and mitas e-09 was $179 so will give this cheapy a run
i understand it copy of the pirelli...be intermeresting to see how long it lasts

I've run a couple of VRM147's on the front of GS's and they went fine, though I think the R100GS PD was a bit heavy for them at ~250kg. They showed cracking around the base of the knobs which I wasn't seeing on the lighter R80G/S which weighed in around ~200kg.

[fridayflash]

thanks guys

at the price i paid ill be happy to get a few thousand kays from it
reminds me of the old barum tyres..actualy feels like its made if rubber!

[Devil]

Just ordered a pair of Heidenau K60 Scouts for the GSA. Will see how they go.

[Oscar]

Just ordered a pair of Heidenau K60 Scouts for the GSA. Will see how they go.

I've got one on the back of my 950adv at the moment.
It's the second one I've had and I quite like it - almost as good as the Karoo or TKC80 off road, but with less of a tendancy to melt on the seal.

I think I'll stick with a TKC on the front though - it's only a few extra $$$ for little bit more piece of mind.

[Gman71]

I've got one on the back of my 950adv at the moment.
It's the second one I've had and I quite like it - almost as good as the Karoo or TKC80 off road, but with less of a tendancy to melt on the seal.

I think I'll stick with a TKC on the front though - it's only a few extra $$$ for little bit more piece of mind.

I am just about ready to get rid of my first rear tkc80, it didn't last that long, but seemed to do a good job....

And I am thinking about a hiedenau k60....... But if $$ wasn't a factor...which would it be?? Tkc80 or k60?

Try to ride gravel mainly, but living in AKLD means I go a fair bit of road to get there...and winters coming.

Thoughts?

[pete-blen]

I am just about ready to get rid of my first rear tkc80, it didn't last that long, but seemed to do a good job....

And I am thinking about a hiedenau k60....... But if $$ wasn't a factor...which would it be?? Tkc80 or k60?

Try to ride gravel mainly, but living in AKLD means I go a fair bit of road to get there...and winters coming.

Thoughts?

Gravel & seal or anything hardish.......... Shinko 705

[NordieBoy]

Gravel & seal or anything hardish.......... Shinko 705

How is the wossaname you're running holding up?

[Woodman]

How is the wossaname you're running holding up?

Just ordered a wassaname (fullbore m41) rear. Will be interestin with the deathwing front, but i am over knobblies, especially rears as they just don't last very long and i am planning some longer day rides. Will have to ride slow in the lumpy shit.

[pete-blen]

How is the wossaname you're running holding up?

good so far... need a rear soon... have a pair of wossaname's:finger:

Would like to try a Kenda 761... look as they have more cross grooves
might hook up better in the lose..

[Devil]

I am just about ready to get rid of my first rear tkc80, it didn't last that long, but seemed to do a good job....

And I am thinking about a hiedenau k60....... But if $$ wasn't a factor...which would it be?? Tkc80 or k60?

Try to ride gravel mainly, but living in AKLD means I go a fair bit of road to get there...and winters coming.

Thoughts?

Similar situation to me, but I commute as well. K60's should last fairly well. Hopefully they give the road performance I need, because I do spend a lot of time on the tarmac.

[JATZ]

and i am planning some longer day rides. Will have to ride slow in the lumpy shit.

A bit O.T. I know, but...
Fancy a ride round the block this sunday Woodman ? I haven't decided on Lewis or Arthurs, will decide on the day.

[Oscar]

I am just about ready to get rid of my first rear tkc80, it didn't last that long, but seemed to do a good job....

And I am thinking about a hiedenau k60....... But if $$ wasn't a factor...which would it be?? Tkc80 or k60?

Try to ride gravel mainly, but living in AKLD means I go a fair bit of road to get there...and winters coming.

Thoughts?

If money was no problem - TKC80.

[_Shrek_]

I am just about ready to get rid of my first rear tkc80, it didn't last that long, but seemed to do a good job....

And I am thinking about a hiedenau k60....... But if $$ wasn't a factor...which would it be?? Tkc80 or k60?

Try to ride gravel mainly, but living in AKLD means I go a fair bit of road to get there...and winters coming.

Thoughts?

mitas E10 go well & Eo7's great on the metal & seal

[Woodman]

A bit O.T. I know, but...
Fancy a ride round the block this sunday Woodman ? I haven't decided on Lewis or Arthurs, will decide on the day.

Will get back to you on that, but yea may be a goer, as long as the new tyre arrives on time (which it should).

What exactly is "the block" ?

[NordieBoy]

Just ordered a wassaname (fullbore m41) rear. Will be interestin with the deathwing front, but i am over knobblies, especially rears as they just don't last very long and i am planning some longer day rides. Will have to ride slow in the lumpy shit.
Sounds like a perfect situation for 705/M41's.

[Woodman]

Sounds like a perfect situation for 705/M41's.

Tyre arrived today, its a bit errr smooth. Harley riding guy at work looked at it and thought it was an almost knobbly(he does ride a harley I spose).

We'll see.

[george formby]

Quick question. Tubby the TDM has a 705 rear, how do they go in soft sand? I'm heading up to 90 mile beach at some point & the access & exit is soft & deep. Don't want to spend most of my day with a shovel in my hand.....
Nothing ventured, nothing gained I guess.:wait:

[JATZ]

Will get back to you on that, but yea may be a goer, as long as the new tyre arrives on time (which it should).

What exactly is "the block" ?

"The Block"...?
Nelson, Kaikoura, then either Inland Kaikoura and over the Lewis, or Rangiora and over Arthurs then home via Punakaiki.
And just to keep it on topic... I think my Trailwing will be about dead after the ride :banana: I really don't like it :mad:

[NordieBoy]

Nothing ventured, nothing gained I guess.:wait:

Make sure someone is videoing and it'll be sweet.

[Gremlin]

A bit more road biased, but after the TT2000 and associated break, putting some 6-7000km on them in 1.5 weeks, I've really started loving the Michelin Anakee 2.

They're getting a bit flat in the middle, but a fully loaded GSA might do that to a tyre, especially since the majority of the mileage was in the South Island. They aren't a gravel basher deluxe, but for me, I needed a tyre with good road manners and performance (ie grip) wet or dry, and then some decent ability on gravel so that they weren't the restricting factor when on gravel.

Dry seal, well I scrubbed them edge to edge on the rear, fully loaded, with roads like the Crown Range and Takaka Hill. You had to be getting very silly with them to get them to slide and start complaining and even then it was small warnings and gradual slides rather than it snapping out. Gravel, well, they're no knobbly (and I didn't take it on mud etc) but they provide good grip, not too much sliding and can hook up well. Did the odd water crossings etc.

I think I've found my tyre for the GSA... I reckon every bike and a rider has a tyre to "match"... after 6 odd different sets, so far it's the Anakee 2's for me. :2thumbsup

[george formby]

Make sure someone is videoing and it'll be sweet.

:lol:
That answers my question. Will defo have the Go pro to witness that sinking feeling.

[Padmei]

Evening all

I want to float an idea & see what you guys think.
This tyre thread is a great idea however has morphed a bit. I'm looking for a potential new front however getting the info from this thread is very hit & miss.

I was thinking it would be good to have a dedicated post (maybe as the 1st post) with a list of dual purpose tyres, their available sizes, photo of their tread pattern, bikes commonly fitted to, suppliers, relavent prices & perhaps a rating from users.
I'm thinking like a spreadsheet type scenario.

Of course there would have to be someone computeror savvy person to co-ordinate all the info as I think if we all start adding stuff it may turn out a bit like this thread.

What do you guys think?

An example would be (not actaully factual but you know what I mean)

Dunlop 606
21x90x90: 17x130x90
Knobbly vvvvvv (thats a pic of their knobs :) )
KLR, DR650, BMWR100GS
Cycletreads,or any good bike shop

Front 8/10 good knobbly profile, cuts thru gravel well, fine on dry seal above average on wet seal, excellent for all off road conditions

rear 6/10 As above however wears out quickly on more powerful bikes

$165.00 as per 14/3/2012

What do you think? have I got too much time on my hands to think about crap like this????

[NordieBoy]

Good idea.

[Woodman]

Excrement idea, just spent ages buying a new rear tyre and still not sure whether its right for me. wil put some miles on it this week.

[_Shrek_]

great idea padders :niceone:

[Night Falcon]

I have a been putting together a bit of a list for most common adv tires with most of the stuff you have mentioned on it but only in 140/80/18 and 90/90/21 sizes and only as they relate to the 990/690 ktm for life expectancy (coupled with my heavey wrist action <_< ) so publishing this info could be abit unfair on the tire company's as most folks get better life out of their tyres than I seem to....unless they're lying of course :shifty:

[Woodman]

Fullbore m41.

Basically identical to a Shinko 705 when comparing it to Nordieboys. I was worried that it was too smooth and would be a debarkle off road but after a ride with the NADS on Sunday i am very impressed with its offroad grip.

Ran 30 psi and had a ball over the Whangamoas then let some air out so it was less than 30 at Hori bay for the off road part. To be honest it performed just as good as the knobblys I been running. The grip must be pretty good because on one steep soft gravelly hill the bike flipped over backwards and broke my rear fender.

Converted.

[NordieBoy]

Fullbore m41.

Basically identical to a Shinko 705 when comparing it to Nordieboys. I was worried that it was too smooth and would be a debarkle off road but after a ride with the NADS on Sunday i am very impressed with its offroad grip.

Ran 30 psi and had a ball over the Whangamoas then let some air out so it was less than 30 at Hori bay for the off road part. To be honest it performed just as good as the knobblys I been running. The grip must be pretty good because on one steep soft gravelly hill the bike flipped over backwards and broke my rear fender.

Converted.

Got that bit of fender if you want it. Otherwise it goes on the KLR leprosy wall.

[_Shrek_]

The grip must be pretty good because on one steep soft gravelly hill the bike flipped over backwards and broke my rear fender.

Converted.

:gob: you put that much weight on :shutup:

[Woodman]

Got that bit of fender if you want it. Otherwise it goes on the KLR leprosy wall.

keep it, I will just trim the other side to match. Or not.

[.chris]

Just took off my E07 with a honorable 18,000km on it. Was good value for $170 that is forsure.

I have put on a Kenda K784 (140/80 18) it will be interesting to see how many km's I get.
It looks quite knobbly to my eye, more agressive than a TKC80 maybe similar to a T63/E09, will be nice to have some traction in wet grass/mud for a change.

[Woodman]

Just took off my E07 with a honorable 18,000km on it. Was good value for $170 that is forsure.

I have put on a Kenda K784 (140/80 18) it will be interesting to see how many km's I get.
It looks quite knobbly to my eye, more agressive than a TKC80 maybe similar to a T63/E09, will be nice to have some traction in wet grass/mud for a change.

Do you have a right wrist at all?:shutup: 18000kms:gob:

[vegeman]

Do you have a right wrist at all?:shutup: 18000kms:gob:

sheesh, I'm surprised as well. I took my E07 off at around 8000k's (it wasn't completely worn tho)...but 18,000 thats some crazy shit...and you're on the 690 as well - how does that happen, surely it was worn to the cords, and had bits flapping off it

[.chris]

Do you have a right wrist at all?:shutup: 18000kms:gob:

Yes woodman, I have a right wrist, but bring from AK, it is quite limp :laugh:


sheesh, I'm surprised as well. I took my E07 off at around 8000k's (it wasn't completely worn tho)...but 18,000 thats some crazy shit...and you're on the 690 as well - how does that happen, surely it was worn to the cords, and had bits flapping off it

I am quite gentle on the tires, I don't feel the need to leave huge lack-of-traction marks where ever I go.
I like to think of my riding as being pretty smooth, not quite defined as slow, but smooth.
I have also had

11,000km out of a Sahara 3
8,000km out of a TCK80 (that was very very very well worn out, almost to the threads kind of worn).
3,000km out of a half worn (tradme special) Karoo 2
2,00km out of a MT61 full DOT legal knobbly.


I do like the fact I can buy a tire and I am able to get amost 2x the mileage that most people are able to get. :innocent:
Not that I am in particulary trying to get good milage, but just seems to be how I ride.

But having this fresh tire will be good as for the KCAR, so I can prove to Mark (MXNUT) that I do actually run some tires with tread sometimes.

[_Shrek_]

I was running both EO7 & EO9
EO7 is a good all round tyre in the wet & dry not flash on wet clay :laugh: I got 22748 k's out of my last EO7 80% of that would have been HW (went a bit square) as i was commuting from 12 to 15 hundred K's a week (CHCH to Central) then there was riding for fun :rolleyes:

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Just took off my E07 with a honorable 18,000km on it. Was good value for $170 that is forsure.

I've just got the right size for my bike & tubeless so it will be interesting to see if I can get the same k's or more :innocent:


Do you have a right wrist at all?:shutup: 18000kms:gob:

:facepalm: found any puddles of late :shutup:

[.chris]

The Kenda fitted. Not a particularly wide 140/80, seems (to the eye) skinny compared to the E07.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-K_ZBsn9SgyE/T3VD6jSboRI/AAAAAAAALbE/tvhQUce4Gzk/s640/IMG_8032.JPG

[Woodman]

The Kenda fitted. Not a particularly wide 140/80, seems (to the eye) skinny compared to the E07.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-K_ZBsn9SgyE/T3VD6jSboRI/AAAAAAAALbE/tvhQUce4Gzk/s640/IMG_8032.JPG

Those kendas look ok, I almost got one. was thinkin today whilst riding the molesworth that its a waste of time comparing wear rates on tyres cos we all have different bikes and riding styles etc.

What i do now know after today is that having smooth tyres takes a hell of a lot more concentration than knobblies.
Was battling the trailwing(it was in the shed when i needed a new tyre) front all bloody day.It does not handle being leaned over in gravel very well at all, just slides sideways, and under even moderate braking it is a bit scary. Maybe on a bike with a decent front end it may be ok but not on a KLR.

Fullbore rear was ok, only issue is on the odd occaision when i felt like spinning it up coming out of a corner it just keeps on going sideways even after throttling off whereas a knobbly will generally be controllable.

These are probly more bike/rider issues rather than tyre issues. They arte both good on tar.

[JATZ]

What i do now know after today is that having smooth tyres takes a hell of a lot more concentration than knobblies.
Was battling the trailwing(it was in the shed when i needed a new tyre) front all bloody day.It does not handle being leaned over in gravel very well at all, just slides sideways, and under even moderate braking it is a bit scary. Maybe on a bike with a decent front end it may be ok but not on a KLR.

They're also shithouse on a DR :yes:

What pressure did you have ? I found about 24/26 to be alright. I tried less but it didn't end well :facepalm:

[Woodman]

They're also shithouse on a DR :yes:

What pressure did you have ? I found about 24/26 to be alright. I tried less but it didn't end well :facepalm:

Don't ask me about pressures.

Was watching Gordon Ramsay a while ago and he can tell how a steak is cooked by pushing on it with his finger, so i have adopted that method for checking tyre pressures.


MMMMM steak.

[GMcC]

Hi - recently purchased Transalp 650 has a Golden Boy front hoop ( 3.00 x 21 ) - Korean ?
has a weird tapered knob pattern on the top - but this could be due to its past life etc............
Almost Tourance like but with raised centre knobs !

I will replace this anyhow

Fairly new Mitas E 09 on the rear ( 130 80 17 ) - seems to be a stable ride so far though aint been in the wet much

What to put on the front ?
I would like to see more gravel and perhaps the odd farm / forestry ride so do I go with a Mitas matchup or something else............

The `Alp isnt a lightweight either !
Had Tourances on the Tiger 800 and they were ok on the tar , so so on the gravel , crap on anything else
Gaz

[NordieBoy]

Hi - recently purchased Transalp 650 has a Golden Boy front hoop ( 3.00 x 21 ) - Korean ?
has a weird tapered knob pattern on the top - but this could be due to its past life etc............
Almost Tourance like but with raised centre knobs !

I will replace this anyhow

Fairly new Mitas E 09 on the rear ( 130 80 17 ) - seems to be a stable ride so far though aint been in the wet much

What to put on the front ?
I would like to see more gravel and perhaps the odd farm / forestry ride so do I go with a Mitas matchup or something else............

The `Alp isnt a lightweight either !
Had Tourances on the Tiger 800 and they were ok on the tar , so so on the gravel , crap on anything else
Gaz

Pirelli MT21 on the front.

Your front would be a Shinko (Golden Boy) SR244.

[GMcC]

Pirelli MT21 on the front.

Your front would be a Shinko (Golden Boy) SR244.


NordieBoy
Yep - SR244 - just had a look - they are listed on c`treads site
I will try my local tomorrow for the MT -
Cheers

[NordieBoy]

NordieBoy
Yep - SR244 - just had a look - they are listed on c`treads site
I will try my local tomorrow for the MT -
Cheers

The SR244 is good value, especially the back, but the rubber is a bit soft for a heavier bike like the TA.

With the non-directional tyres, once the front starts cupping from braking, you can reverse the tyre. You can get 3-4 reversals quite easily and keep the handling nice and neutral for a lot longer.

[GMcC]

The SR244 is good value, especially the back, but the rubber is a bit soft for a heavier bike like the TA.

With the non-directional tyres, once the front starts cupping from braking, you can reverse the tyre. You can get 3-4 reversals quite easily and keep the handling nice and neutral for a lot longer.

Thanks - I had thought about switching it round but it may have gone too far on its 1st cycle........

Also noticed the E09 on the back is facing the wrong way according to the arrow !!!!
Its non-directional by the looks - question is will it do any damage ?
Are the cords / internals biased for one way only ?
If not I`ll leave it ......................................
$90 for the MT21 - shud be here tomorrow

[_Shrek_]

Also noticed the E09 on the back is facing the wrong way according to the arrow !!!!
Its non-directional by the looks - question is will it do any damage ?
Are the cords / internals biased for one way only ?

the direction is for the join in the tyre, I run them one way then the other (front & rear) as NB said it helps the handling + you get a bit more life out of them

[GMcC]

Right - thought I`d better check before heading too far
Thanks

[Beem02]

I need to fit a new tyres on the DR650 after using D606's for the Dusty and over summer.
Thinking of Mitas E-07 as they should suit long trip round SI for the BM rally, and a general mix of seal and gravel roads over winter.
Any recommendations on best fit for the rear tyre, 120/90-17 or 130/80-17?

[Transalper]

...Thinking of Mitas E-07 ...Any recommendations on best fit for the rear tyre, 120/90-17 or 130/80-17?
Strangely enough I'm using the 140/??-17 E07's now as I really like the look, feel and slightly better pattern of the wider ones but it's a real prick to get on, being over sized an all.

[NordieBoy]

The 130 is a nice neutral profile and works well. The 120 would speed up the handling but that may not be to your advantage.

A TKC 80 in 120 on the back of a KLR 685 made it handle like a 125 MX'er but it still had 200kg to deal with...

[chasio]

Shinko or Fullbore..:first:
I have a fullbore front / shinko rear..
run them right to edge of the tread
with no sign of them letting go..

Slight dredge but it's time to put my hand in my pocket and get this sorted...

For the Freewind front, the Shinko 705/Full Bore M40's only seem to come in a 110/80-19.

Stock is 100/90-19 and I'm wondering if going wider is very clever, given I may cover some gravel on them. Should I be bothered? I guess if they come up 'narrow' the difference may be negligible and if so, the M40 at $129 is the one for me.

If over-size is not too bright, some options in the right size include a Trailwing TW101 (http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/301-bridgestone_trail/1101-bridgestone_tw101152.aspx) at $145 or an E-08 at $175 delivered from LMS (Red Baron no longer stock them). The latter seems pricey.

Thanks for any advice on this.

[george formby]

Slight dredge but it's time to put my hand in my pocket and get this sorted...

For the Freewind front, the Shinko 705/Full Bore M40's only seem to come in a 110/80-19.

Stock is 100/90-19 and I'm wondering if going wider is very clever, given I may cover some gravel on them. Should I be bothered? I guess if they come up 'narrow' the difference may be negligible and if so, the M40 at $129 is the one for me.

If over-size is not too bright, some options in the right size include a Trailwing TW101 (http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/301-bridgestone_trail/1101-bridgestone_tw101152.aspx) at $145 or an E-08 at $175 delivered from LMS (Red Baron no longer stock them). The latter seems pricey.

Thanks for any advice on this.

My TDM runs a 110/80-18 & it's tickety boo. Mind you, I ride like a nana.

[pete-blen]

Slight dredge but it's time to put my hand in my pocket and get this sorted...

For the Freewind front, the Shinko 705/Full Bore M40's only seem to come in a 110/80-19.

Stock is 100/90-19 and I'm wondering if going wider is very clever, given I may cover some gravel on them. Should I be bothered? I guess if they come up 'narrow' the difference may be negligible and if so, the M40 at $129 is the one for me.

If over-size is not too bright, some options in the right size include a Trailwing TW101 (http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/301-bridgestone_trail/1101-bridgestone_tw101152.aspx) at $145 or an E-08 at $175 delivered from LMS (Red Baron no longer stock them). The latter seems pricey.

Thanks for any advice on this.



http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/306-kenda_trail/1543-kenda_k761.aspx

Kenda 761 come in 100/90/19 and only $95...

[chasio]

http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/306-kenda_trail/1543-kenda_k761.aspx

Kenda 761 come in 100/90/19 and only $95...

Crumbs, chief, that is cheap! I had assumed they weren't as good as the Shinko / Fullbores but if they are good on tarseal (esp. when wet, where I don't fully trust my E-07's under brakes), the right size and a 5 minute ride away that is looking like a steal. Thanks.

[Woodman]

The 130 is a nice neutral profile and works well. The 120 would speed up the handling but that may not be to your advantage.

A TKC 80 in 120 on the back of a KLR 685 made it handle like a 125 MX'er but it still had 200kg to deal with...

The other problem is the 120 tkc has a lower weight rating that does not suit a klr and a 100kg plus rider who thinks he is riding a 125 mxer.
Pretty sure now that is the reason the friggen thing melted.

[Frodo]

If over-size is not too bright, some options in the right size include a Trailwing TW101 (http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/301-bridgestone_trail/1101-bridgestone_tw101152.aspx) at $145 or an E-08 at $175 delivered from LMS (Red Baron no longer stock them). The latter seems pricey.

Thanks for any advice on this.

E-08 (Mitas equivalent to Tourance): Very hard compound - near impossible to wear out, but very slippery on wet roads. Wouldn't buy another. Replaced it with an Anakee, much better. Now have a Bridgestone BW-502 as I'm doing mainly commuting. Quite a soft compound so grips better on wet roads than the Tourance I have on the front (although perhaps not as good as an Anakee) - wear rate seems okay so far...

[Beem02]

The 130 is a nice neutral profile and works well. The 120 would speed up the handling but that may not be to your advantage.

Have decided to go with the 120/90 E-07's as I suspect that size will work better in gravel. Fitted them to both DR650's (mine and son's), along with new front tyres to match. We're off round the South Island in a couple of weeks, via as many backroads as possible. I'll report back on how they go.

Cheers, Bruce

[NordieBoy]

Have decided to go with the 120/90 E-07's as I suspect that size will work better in gravel. Fitted them to both DR650's (mine and son's), along with new front tyres to match. We're off round the South Island in a couple of weeks, via as many backroads as possible. I'll report back on how they go.

Cheers, Bruce

Never tried the E07 in 120 but love the Shinko 705 in that size.
Around town, normal riding and you're using all the tyre. No chicken strips.
You're not paying for bits you're not using.

The E07 rear with a knobblish front is a hard combo to beat.

Apart from 705's front and rear, which I hear Josh Coppins uses on his DR650.

[dino3310]

have you brought shares in shinko tyres Nordie

[NordieBoy]

have you brought shares in shinko tyres Nordie

I'm aiming for sponsorship :D

[pete376403]

So if the diff between a 130/90 and a 120/90 is slightly better handling, what would a 110/90 be like?
(the 120s and 130s in the shed are a bit marginal for a wof, the 110 is brand new.) maybe I should just get the warrent then switch back to one of the others (Shinko705)

[Transalper]

So if the diff between a 130/90 and a 120/90 is slightly better handling...
Better handling in whos opinion, I'm loving the 140 E07 more than the 120 or 130 on the rear of both my bikes (DR650 and Transalp). Guess that's my opinion. :shifty:

[clint640]

Better handling in whos opinion, I'm loving the 140 E07 more than the 120 or 130 on the rear of both my bikes (DR650 and Transalp). Guess that's my opinion. :shifty:

I've tried 130 & 140 18" EO-7's on the 640 & I think the 140 is better all around, better gravel & tarmac traction, longer life. Worth the extra money. Other tyre types will have different changes in profile, width, etc etc between the different nominal sizes so it's probably hard to generalise though.

Clint

[NordieBoy]

I've tried 130 & 140 18" EO-7's on the 640 & I think the 140 is better all around, better gravel & tarmac traction, longer life. Worth the extra money. Other tyre types will have different changes in profile, width, etc etc between the different nominal sizes so it's probably hard to generalise though.

Clint

What rim width on the 640?

[Taz]

Just fitted a pair of Vee Rubber VRM147's to the 640. Haven't run these since my XT600 and they were great on that. Being a copy of the MT21 they'll be fine.

[Taz]

What rim width on the 640?

2.15 .

[chasio]

Reckon, eh? I also got a useful tip from a good bugger who put me onto this link:
Avon tyre compatibility (http://www.haveanicehd.com/images/pdf/11%20-%2000037.pdf)

And riffing off that that I found this summary (http://www.dropbears.com/u/utilities/tyrerim.htm) and also this small PDF (http://download1353.mediafire.com/ep2z0bxia80g/w7ke0q2t3dx7tz9/Motorcycle+Rim+Width+%26+Tire+Size+Chart.pdf) (189KB).

So the answer seems to be 'should be right', but it could prove to be an expensive question because now I want your motard! :)

I was looking up the sizing for the Tourance, but both links are now broken in the above post. So I'm replying to myself to attach the composite size compatibility chart I had downloaded and to add this link (http://www.avonmoto.com/download/Avon_mc_databook_2012.pdf) to the current Avon datasheet (or backed up here (https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-c69JGPqyQTODNTTGljaUY3Wk0)). The Distanzia / Gripster compatibility tables are on page 17.

If I turn up tables for any others, I'll add them in.

Edit: Michelin fitment guide here (http://www.michelinmotorcycle.com/pubs/fitment2011.pdf) or backup here (https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-c69JGPqyQTVElFVFNiN2dYYVU).

PS Also the KB tyre manufacturer sticky (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/67885-Tyre-manufacturers): Lots of links but not many leading to a chart with what tyres go on what rims.

[snodpete]

Having a bit of of front tyre saga involving slow leaks etc, but that's not THIS story... While putting the old Heidenau K60 back on the DL I noticed it was mounted backwards according to the arrow on the casing - tyre guy must have matched it to the leaking 'new' E08...
Pic shows both tyres from the front the correct way round according to their rotational arrows - there seem to be different schools of thought at play here... Ideas anyone?
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[NordieBoy]

Having a bit of of front tyre saga involving slow leaks etc, but that's not THIS story... While putting the old Heidenau K60 back on the DL I noticed it was mounted backwards according to the arrow on the casing - tyre guy must have matched it to the leaking 'new' E08...
Pic shows both tyres from the front the correct way round according to their rotational arrows - there seem to be different schools of thought at play here... Ideas anyone?

The right hand one is an E07.

I would normally mount them up in the direction of the arrow but I think Mitas has it more righter here...

[snodpete]

The right hand one is an E07.

I would normally mount them up in the direction of the arrow but I think Mitas has it more righter here...

Right hand one is actually my 10,000+ km Heidenau K60 - so Nordie, you reckon the chevrons ('V' shapes) should be point up (like Mitas on left in pic) or down like Heidi?

[NordieBoy]

Right hand one is actually my 10,000+ km Heidenau K60 - so Nordie, you reckon the chevrons ('V' shapes) should be point up (like Mitas on left in pic) or down like Heidi?

Noooo! My brane hurts! It looks like an E07!

Chevrons usually go backwards on the front.
Unless the arrow goes the other way...

[Transalper]

The E07 definitely have the chevrons pointing up, so do these <can't remember what they were's> but I wouldn't worry about what they look like, I'd go with the arrow on the side.

Edit: I have heard it said the E07 front is better in gravel when reversed... but I never tried.

[snodpete]

A little further research -
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Seems general rule: front = chevrons point up; rear = chevrons point down. Perhaps the smaller angled 'grooves' on the E08s do that...
Thanks for your thoughts guys.

[_Shrek_]

I have heard it said the E07 front is better in gravel when reversed... but I never tried.

running my front EO7 reversed & lots better on braking & on the metal :niceone:

[dino3310]

step right up one day only
http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/225-kenda_off_road/7979-kenda_dirt_one_day_specials.aspx?oneday=true

[NordieBoy]

step right up one day only
http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/225-kenda_off_road/7979-kenda_dirt_one_day_specials.aspx?oneday=true

They've also got the FullBore 41's (Shinko 705 clones) on sale.

[Pikey]

You still a 705 fan Fran??

[NordieBoy]

You still a 705 fan Fran??

Got a new rear yesterday :D

[Pikey]

My E09 is getting close to replacement time?
So big decision time soon???

[NordieBoy]

So big decision time soon???

Yes .

[dino3310]

My E09 is getting close to replacement time?
So big decision time soon???

dont buy one of those shitty shinkos

[NordieBoy]

dont buy one of those shitty shinkos

Nah, buy one of the good Shinkos instead :devil2:

[pete-blen]

Anyone had anything to do with these?
Golden Boy SR242 trials patten tyre... 400/18 for $69

http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/686-golden_boy_trail_tyres/7494-golden_boy_trail_tyres.aspx

[NordieBoy]

Anyone had anything to do with these?
Golden Boy SR242 trials patten tyre... 400/18 for $69

http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/686-golden_boy_trail_tyres/7494-golden_boy_trail_tyres.aspx

Good value, general purpose tyres.

[pete-blen]

Good value, general purpose tyres.

They are hopeing to have the SR242 back in stock
next week... might grab one , nothing to lose at $69
may be a bit harder rubber than a
comp trials tyre..

[george formby]

Any suggestions for a cheap(ish) road legal knobbie for the DT 230? Won't be long before I need to go shopping. Tire needs to be ok on the road but will be really used on gravel, trails & for the next few months mud, mud & mud. Not fussed about wear if the tire is cheap enough. It will be the rear that needs replacing.
The current, ahem, moto x tire has been tickety boo but gets a pasting on the tar seal, has a very high pucker factor on wet roads & it's easy to ride right off the edge of it. I would prefer a tire with a bit more profile... Any knobbie will be compromised on wet roads, C'est la vie.

[NordieBoy]

Any suggestions for a cheap(ish) road legal knobbie for the DT 230? Won't be long before I need to go shopping. Tire needs to be ok on the road but will be really used on gravel, trails & for the next few months mud, mud & mud. Not fussed about wear if the tire is cheap enough. It will be the rear that needs replacing.
The current, ahem, moto x tire has been tickety boo but gets a pasting on the tar seal, has a very high pucker factor on wet roads & it's easy to ride right off the edge of it. I would prefer a tire with a bit more profile... Any knobbie will be compromised on wet roads, C'est la vie.

Pete's above mentioned Shinko would fit the bill.
Or for more mud-ability, a Kenda 760.

[george formby]

Pete's above mentioned Shinko would fit the bill.
Or for more mud-ability, a Kenda 760.

That Kenda looks compatible with Northland clay & gloop. Cheers.

[XF650]

Any suggestions for a cheap(ish) road legal knobbie for the DT 230? Won't be long before I need to go shopping. Tire needs to be ok on the road but will be really used on gravel, trails & for the next few months mud, mud & mud. Not fussed about wear if the tire is cheap enough. It will be the rear that needs replacing.
The current, ahem, moto x tire has been tickety boo but gets a pasting on the tar seal, has a very high pucker factor on wet roads & it's easy to ride right off the edge of it. I would prefer a tire with a bit more profile... Any knobbie will be compromised on wet roads, C'est la vie.

My experience with DT230 tyres is Dunlop D605's for most riding and BFGoodrich Crossengo for mud.
Both tyres seem to suit light bikes.

[pete-blen]

My experience with DT230 tyres is Dunlop D605's for most riding and BFGoodrich Crossengo for mud.
Both tyres seem to suit light bikes.

I have been useing 605s on the XR250.. good tyre but they
don't last very long...don't think I have got 3000k out of my rear 605..
Vee Rubber make the same tyre for like $65 for a 410/18.. the V221

these fella's have them...
http://www.motozone.co.nz/products/tyres/dirt-bike-motocross-tyres/vee-rubber/vee-rubber-v221.aspx

[CrazyFrog]

I'm getting rid of a Pirelli MT21 Rallycross 90/90-21 front if anyone is looking for one.
Near new, 180km only on mix of seal and gravel. Nuthin wrong with it, I just prefer full enduro knobblies on my 525.

Have listed it on TM http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=482557186&ed=true

[NordieBoy]

I'm getting rid of a Pirelli MT21 Rallycross 90/90-21 front if anyone is looking for one.
Near new, 180km only on mix of seal and gravel. Nuthin wrong with it, I just prefer full enduro knobblies on my 525.

Have listed it on TM http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=482557186&ed=true

I'll take it!

Should I bid on the auction or what?

[MXNUT]

On Nordie`s recommendation i ordered at Shinko 244 tyre yesterday :whistle:

Will be interested to see how it goes. $98 delivered to my local dealer.

For a 140/80/18 tyre it was $80 cheaper than the next cheapest option.

Best milage i have had out of any rear tyre ( on all my bikes ) is 2500 kms so will be happy if i get that out of the Shinko.

Will probably put on an E07 after that but at $120 cheaper than the Mitas, i thought i should give the shinko a try.:yawn:

[fridayflash]

On Nordie`s recommendation i ordered at Shinko 244 tyre yesterday :whistle:

Will be interested to see how it goes. $98 delivered to my local dealer.

For a 140/80/18 tyre it was $80 cheaper than the next cheapest option.

Best milage i have had out of any rear tyre ( on all my bikes ) is 2500 kms so will be happy if i get that out of the Shinko.

Will probably put on an E07 after that but at $120 cheaper than the Mitas, i though i should give the shinko a try.:yawn:



so is the e07 around $220.00?
ill try a shinko 244 on dr250 if theyre that well prices
loks to be the same pattern as the bridgestone trailwings
....it take it thats its a major improvement over those wretched things?
also is there much difference in price and performance between
shinko 244 ans shinko 705?

cheers, eddie

[NordieBoy]

so is the e07 around $220.00?
ill try a shinko 244 on dr250 if theyre that well prices
loks to be the same pattern as the bridgestone trailwings
....it take it thats its a major improvement over those wretched things?
also is there much difference in price and performance between
shinko 244 ans shinko 705?

cheers, eddie

Shinko 244 is same(ish) as Kenda 270 and IRC GP1.

The Shinko 705 is more road biased but goes well off road if you stay off the wet grass and mud as well as getting double to triple the kms.

705's you're looking about $120 front and $150 rear.

I prefer the 705's but the 244's are good value.

[Transalper]

so is the e07 around $220.00?...
Nope, E07 in a 140/80R17 more like $180.

[MXNUT]

Nope, E07 in a 140/80R17 more like $180.

LMS ( the mitas importers ) quoted me $210.00 + freight just last week

[Transalper]

LMS ( the mitas importers ) quoted me $210.00 + freight just last week

For now I'm going to have to assume it's because of the size difference, your 140/80/18 vs my 14/80/17.... or maybe you are paying the latest price while down here we are paying for 6 month old stock at the price they were when the stock was bought down 6 months ago. I do not know.

If I remember next time I see our local stockist I'll check what he has listed currently.
They get them through LMS too and we've all been watching the prices creep up due to several reasons but what can you do... might as well try the Shinkos.

[dino3310]

Anyone had anything to do with these?
Golden Boy SR242 trials patten tyre... 400/18 for $69

http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/686-golden_boy_trail_tyres/7494-golden_boy_trail_tyres.aspx

cheaper http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/tyres/auction-484555546.htm

[pete-blen]

cheaper http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/tyres/auction-484555546.htm

Right make but wrong tread patten....
Thats a 244.. I'm after the 242

[NordieBoy]

Right make but wrong tread patten....
Thats a 244.. I'm after the 242

The 242 does look interesting at that price.

[dino3310]

even ifyou only get a full day on gravel out of each tyre its worth the buck http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/tyres/auction-485766107.htm

[george formby]

Just a quick report on wet grip from my Pirelli mt90 A/T front & shinko 705 rear. Being bored & slightly unhinged I decided to go & do some braking practice & cone work in the rain on Monday. Braking practice was coming to a stop from 50 / 60 kmh braking progressively harder at each attempt. I need to use both brakes on my bike for maximum stoppage & have adjusted the rear lever so that I have a lot of feel & have to really push to lock it in the dry.
Any hoo, the rear locked easily, probably a reflection of the surface & front grip more than rear tire grip. The Pirelli was a revelation, it never fully locked but I could feel each wee block gripping for dear life. Rolling forward you could see the individual puddles pushed up between the blocks. Very impressive. Round the cones both tires were solid, though I did manage to get the shinko scrabbling slightly with too much throttle.
Overall I was impressed, it's the first time I've ridden on them in the rain after having sport touring tires & any doubts I had have been allayed.

[pete-blen]

This is a interesting trials patten tyre from Shinko...
Trail Pro 255...notice they state trail not trial...

http://www.shinkotireusa.com/product/product.php?id=75

[pete376403]

This is a interesting trials patten tyre from Shinko...
Trail Pro 255...notice they state trail not trial...

http://www.shinkotireusa.com/product/product.php?id=75

Does say 'trials" further down ..."It is a tire for serious off road and trials applications"

[NordieBoy]

This is a interesting trials patten tyre from Shinko...
Trail Pro 255...notice they state trail not trial...

http://www.shinkotireusa.com/product/product.php?id=75

Being a radial, it'll have a softer side wall than ones like the MT43. Would suit bikes <120kg though...

On a light bike, you wouldn't even know if you got a flat with the MT43...

[_Shrek_]

Being a radial, it'll have a softer side wall than ones like the MT43. Would suit bikes <120kg though...

On a light bike, you wouldn't even know if you got a flat with the MT43...

are they tubeless Nordie?

[NordieBoy]

are they tubeless Nordie?

The 241 (tube type) is the dual purpose one (http://www.shinkotireusa.com/product/product.php?id=60) and is really narrow, 3" for 17" and 3.5" for 18".
The 255 (probably tube type) (http://www.shinkotireusa.com/product/product.php?id=75) is available in 110 width for 18 and 19" rears - no fronts.

Both are DOT.

[_Shrek_]

The 255 (probably tube type) (http://www.shinkotireusa.com/product/product.php?id=75) is available in 110 width for 18 and 19" rears - no fronts.

cheers :apint: may just have to try this on the front some time as it's the same size

[NordieBoy]

cheers :apint: may just have to try this on the front some time as it's the same size

Velly soft though.

[george formby]

110 - 18"? That might pull tubby up on wet clay.

[Waipukbiker]

Went into freedom Suzuki in Palmy Nth today found these on the tyre racks , Very interesting Ya?

http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=http://www.graficoetico.it/adv/heidenau_k60_2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/tech/where-can-i-buy-mefo-42427&h=426&w=640&sz=157&tbnid=UFaDX71PPqhR7M:&tbnh=92&tbnw=138&zoom=1&usg=__FNfHkb6Lys-sJhJDTJYjMDxP8eI=&docid=waFAMKR-InIGnM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=A-b3T9GAAaqTiQf4ganPBg&ved=0CFEQ9QEwAQ&dur=2636

[cooneyr]

Went into freedom Suzuki in Palmy Nth today found these on the tyre racks , Very interesting Ya?

http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=http://www.graficoetico.it/adv/heidenau_k60_2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/tech/where-can-i-buy-mefo-42427&h=426&w=640&sz=157&tbnid=UFaDX71PPqhR7M:&tbnh=92&tbnw=138&zoom=1&usg=__FNfHkb6Lys-sJhJDTJYjMDxP8eI=&docid=waFAMKR-InIGnM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=A-b3T9GAAaqTiQf4ganPBg&ved=0CFEQ9QEwAQ&dur=2636

Couple of fellas on KTM 950 Super Enduro's were running these are the Long Way Around ride. They really rate them and next to E07's (another two 950 SE's - yes there were 4 SE's in the garage at the house) the look like they have more bite. Deeper tread, bigger gaps, bigger blocks.

[vegeman]

Went into freedom Suzuki in Palmy Nth today found these on the tyre racks , Very interesting Ya?



I had E07's and then replaced that with the K60. The K60's do everything pretty well, the only downside for me was that the sidewalls are so bloody stiff the don't flex enough off road when you need to maximize the grip. I found the E07 flexed better and have got through some gnarly shit...just by dropping the pressure...BUT on the flip side, you could ride the K60 with no air pressure and might not even know you had a flatty (which I did on my 690). I did the East coast safari on them, plus rode from Wellington to gisborne and the mileage/wear was as good as E07. The K60 also did better on wet roads, whereas I've had the E07 lose traction in the wet while traveling at highways speeds i.e. aqua planing (but that was in severe rain, and perhaps the tyre was more worn than I thought)

The K60 is a real bastard to fit and remove my yourself, again those sidewalls - but the big boy bikes i.e. >180KG's probably make the tyre work as they intended, I think the light bikes wouldn't work them very well.

I've just taken the K60 off and now thinking about what tyre next...If the trip was gravel/dirt and distance either tyre would work and Id probably go with the K60 again. If I knew that I would have mud/grass on the trip, I think I would prefer the E07. If it was going to be more hardcore I'd go MT21. I'll never ride TKC80's again.

[Gremlin]

Went into freedom Suzuki in Palmy Nth today found these on the tyre racks , Very interesting Ya?
Linky didn't work for me, but I'm assuming you're talking about the Heidenau K60. Bear in mind there are 3-4 different rear patterns, depending on what size you order. I'm currently trying a set of K60 for the big bikes, 110/80/19 and 150/70/17. Basically I reckon it's the best option between road biased and off road biased (Karoo and TKC et al).

[Waipukbiker]

Wasnt aware that the patterns changed depending on tyre size but it was the first time I had seen them. I had a Shinko 700 on the back of my little old 250 on the long way round and it worked great on and off road, no traction issues anywhere. How the 700 would work on a bigger and heavier bike I dont know. I plan to apgrade my bike soon to a 350 or 400 but as to what tyres I have no idea yet.

The safety aspect of having stiff sidewalls in the case of a puncture, especially on the highway appeals.

[TangoCharlie]

What to replace my Tyres on the DR which I used mainly on Shingle Road / Tracks etc, and only ride it on the seal to "get there". If more than a few 100kms Of seal, I tend to trailer the DR to the start point!

Have tried Kenda K760 and currently have Dunlop D606, both have worn very rapidly!

Can't desire what to try next? Looking at Pirelli M21, Michellin T63, Mitas E09 or maybe a D605...

Any advise greatly accepted.....

[dino3310]

yep any one of those, i'll throw the AC10 in there aswell. work ya way through the list till you find what suits you. im useing up my supply of second hand mx tyres at the moment:laugh: getting a couple of thousand k out of them

[cooneyr]

What to replace my Tyres on the DR which I used mainly on Shingle Road / Tracks etc, and only ride it on the seal to "get there". If more than a few 100kms Of seal, I tend to trailer the DR to the start point!

Have tried Kenda K760 and currently have Dunlop D606, both have worn very rapidly!

Can't desire what to try next? Looking at Pirelli M21, Michellin T63, Mitas E09 or maybe a D605...

Any advise greatly accepted.....

Trick to getting D606's to last is pressure. I shreded one in 2000km when at 24psi but got about 6000km at 30psi (or was that a bit more - too long ago to remember). I hate MT21's, especially on the rear, never tried T63 and rate the E09. Ran an E09 on my Super Tenere (the real one - XTZ750) and it lasted and gripped well as a compromise tyre. D605 is much less aggressive and I'd put an E07 in that mix.

[dino3310]

oh yeah like cooneyr sez watch those tyre pressures, ive seen tkc, t63 and e09's end life prematurely with to low a pressure on the seal. ie: get to the offroad gravel/track what ever and drop the pressure to 18r 20f (or what ever) and forget to raise them back up to recommended psi for the ride home, i did this with a TKC a few years ago and it chewed the f&%k out of it.

[Woodman]

Tried e09, t63, mt21 and a tkc80. None of them last very long. In fact the smooth fullbore i got on now will be lucky to see 6k. Must be the immense power of the klr.

E09 = good grip but has no side grip. is scary traversing hills and is exciting and unpredictable when powering out of corners. Ok on road

T63= very good all round. ok on road. My favourite.

MT21= Good tyre ok on road. Longest lasting so far.

TKC80= Melted.

[Gremlin]

The safety aspect of having stiff sidewalls in the case of a puncture, especially on the highway appeals.
For those that change their own, it's a negative, along with able to take off on the side of the trail to fix punctures etc. Depends what you require I guess...

[clint640]

Have tried Kenda K760 and currently have Dunlop D606, both have worn very rapidly!

Can't desire what to try next? Looking at Pirelli M21, Michellin T63, Mitas E09 or maybe a D605...

Any advise greatly accepted.....

Do you want the bad news or the bad news? :argh:

I've run all those on the rear (with the exception of the more roady D605 which I wouldn't put in the same class) The D606 lasted the best & seemed to give good traction offroad, no scary moments onroad. Pity they don't normally import the 130/18" ones for the 640.

Woodman, interesting comments, you reckon the MT21 is long lasting? I like the fronts but have trashed a rear in less kms than a TKC80. I find EO-9 & T-63 pretty similar to each other, dead right on the poor side grip, both ends, the fronts are pretty average compared with D606 or MT21 really, they are both longer lasting than the MT21 or TKC80.

Cheers
Clint

[Oscar]

Do you want the bad news or the bad news? :argh:

I've run all those on the rear (with the exception of the more roady D605 which I wouldn't put in the same class) The D606 lasted the best & seemed to give good traction offroad, no scary moments onroad. Pity they don't normally import the 130/18" ones for the 640.

Woodman, interesting comments, you reckon the MT21 is long lasting? I like the fronts but have trashed a rear in less kms than a TKC80. I find EO-9 & T-63 pretty similar to each other, dead right on the poor side grip, both ends, the fronts are pretty average compared with D606 or MT21 really, they are both longer lasting than the MT21 or TKC80.

Cheers
Clint

I trashed an MT21 on the back of a 950SE in less than 700km's...

[cooneyr]

I trashed an MT21 on the back of a 950SE in less than 700km's...

You win - took me 1500km of gentle riding on the 950 Adv to do it. About 500km into the three day 1500km trip I was become a bit worried I would need new rubber to get home.

[Oscar]

You win - took me 1500km of gentle riding on the 950 Adv to do it. About 500km into the three day 1500km trip I was become a bit worried I would need new rubber to get home.

It was a press bike - they have magical qualities..damn thing used five rear tyres in 3,500kms.

[Woodman]

On the E09s and T63s I ran 22-25psi-ish whereaes on the mt21 i ran 30ish.

Am convinced that weight is just as bigger influence on tyre wear than lots of horsepower or an overactive right wrist.

Oscar, 700kms to wear out an Mt21, man that musta been a fun 700kms

[Oscar]

Oscar, 700kms to wear out an Mt21, man that musta been a fun 700kms

Apparently they don't like sustained 120-130km/h runs, with bursts up to 190...


...and to be fair, it wasn't actually that fucked, but it had to go back with the standard tyres on it.

[Padmei]

On the E09s and T63s I ran 22-25psi-ish whereaes on the mt21 i ran 30ish.

Am convinced that weight is just as bigger influence on tyre wear than lots of horsepower or an overactive right wrist.

Oscar, 700kms to wear out an Mt21, man that musta been a fun 700kms

I don't rate the MT21s any good for big bikes unless you only want them for a few days ie dusty butt or something.
i also agree with the weight of the bikes rooting the tyres quicker - especially if you like braking hard & quickly. I don't like the way my 606s have the cracks around te knobs however as was mentioned somewhere, they never break off.

I've got a BT90 or something to try on the front of Schmit as I ride that more road & gravel rather than hardcore (& want to have a few trackdays on Schmidt) so it'll be interesting to see how that goes.

I have washed out the front in gravel regardless of what tyre I've had on & each time it gives me the shits. if they developed a front tyre that had a traction control function on it i'd buy it:lol:

[Box'a'bits]

Hate to disagree with Padmei, but:

1. I like the front MT21. When they start to wear, spin them round & get some more wear. Probably good for 6-7.5k+ kms, not bad from an $84 tyre (on special at Cycletreads), always dependent on when you call a tyre dead. Wear is generally because of braking. They do let go under v.hard braking, but I've never had a loss of traction when heeled over on seal. Cost vs wear they are great compared to say a Dunlop 606 front at $175.

I hated the rear MT21s. They evaporated, & didn't give any noticeable side benefits of actual grip in gravel.

2. Last 2 sets of E09's rears have provided 6k+ kms of riding pleasure. I didn't have any traction issues. Happy with them but their price has increased (last one was $180, now $200+?). They don't feel that great for the 1st few hundred kms (need to wear a little).

3. I am just about to swap on a T63 - I only used to get circa 3.5k kms from them on the 640a. I liked them on that. Gus (R100GS) seems softer on tyres, so we'll see how we go. Koko reported 5k kms from his last set. $159 (on special at Cycletreads).

I won't use a T63 front & haven't (& probably won't) tried the E09 front

Gus wears front 90/90 21", & 130/70 17" rear shoes & is probably a svelte 220 kgs (ish).

[NordieBoy]

Hate to disagree with Padmei, but:

This is the front MT21 Padmei turned up at the laidback x-country with...

<img width=640 src=http://sports.nelson.geek.nz/motorsport/mybikes/Trips/20090315%20Kikiwa%20Laidback/slides/20090315-112630.jpg>

[warewolf]

I definitely rate the T63 over the MT21 (rears). T63 lasts longer, is cheaper, and grips for further through it's life. Not as much ultimate side grip as the MT21 but slides smoother and more predictably. The MT21 just gets shredded by rocky terrain, but the T63 doesn't.


I don't like the way my 606s have the cracks around te knobs however as was mentioned somewhere, they never break off.What width rim? The 640's 2.15" front can break 75% of the side knobs in as little as 100km of trail riding, yet running the 1.6" rim didn't break any in 3-4 hours of racing. Seems to me that the 90/90 tyres are not designed for such a phat rim.

[warewolf]

On Nordie`s recommendation i ordered at Shinko 244 tyre yesterday :whistle:

Will be interested to see how it goes. $98 delivered to my local dealer.

For a 140/80/18 tyre it was $80 cheaper than the next cheapest option.Are you sure about that size? That's the size for the 640Adv and AFAIK they don't make them - can't find any online, so maybe it is very new? I've had to use the next size down, 5.10-18 (130/80-18 equivalent).

http://www.shinkotire.co.kr/english/02product/sub01_detail.asp?pcode=AA00050045

[dino3310]

wow cycletreads daily special today is a goodie
K760 http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/225-kenda_off_road/3253-kenda_k760_trackmaster.aspx?oneday=true

AC10 http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/243-michelin_off_road/1634-michelin_ac10.aspx?oneday=true

[TangoCharlie]

Just back from 150km trip up the South side of the Waimak to Sheffield and back down the North side, nearly all on shingle roads and rocky tracks. D606 is now a write off after only 1300km as the knobs are 80% worn and several have split and large parts broken off! Just too much power with low gearing on modified DR650.... Will try a T63

[MXNUT]

Just back from 150km trip up the South side of the Waimak to Sheffield and back down the North side, nearly all on shingle roads and rocky tracks. D606 is now a write off after only 1300km as the knobs are 80% worn and several have split and large parts broken off! Just too much power with low gearing on modified DR650.... Will try a T63

Used a T63 on this years Dusty Butt on a DR650. Was brand new in wellington on the way down.Worn away and ripped open after 1400 kms.

Didnt manage to finish the Dusty becaue of it ( came up 20 kms short ) and i thought i was taking it easy on the throttle on the sunday.

Have used them on the DRZ in the past also and have never got any more than 1500 kms.

[NordieBoy]

Just too much power with low gearing on modified DR650.... Will try a T63

What do you call "low gearing"?

[TangoCharlie]

What do you call "low gearing"?

14 43 with full FMF exhaust and TM40 carb / air box mods etc

Too much wheel spin in higher gears at speed appears to eat the Tyres, but good fun!

[TangoCharlie]

Used a T63 on this years Dusty Butt on a DR650. Was brand new in wellington on the way down.Worn away and ripped open after 1400 kms.

Didnt manage to finish the Dusty becaue of it ( came up 20 kms short ) and i thought i was taking it easy on the throttle on the sunday.

Have used them on the DRZ in the past also and have never got any more than 1500 kms.

Nothing is easy, might have to put the Trail Wings back on!

[NordieBoy]

14 43 with full FMF exhaust and TM40 carb / air box mods etc

Too much wheel spin in higher gears at speed appears to eat the Tyres, but good fun!

I used 14/46 for the first day of the DB1K and 15/46 (same as 14/43) for the second.
I prefer 15/46 as my "normal" ratio now. If I was starting over, I'd probably go with 14/43 again and stay with 525 sprockets and chain. But only because I've got the TT350 for the gnarlier stuff now.

[NordieBoy]

Used a T63 on this years Dusty Butt on a DR650. Was brand new in wellington on the way down.Worn away and ripped open after 1400 kms.

I'm expecting more than that from the MT43 trials tyres on the TT350!

[pete-blen]

I used 14/46 for the first day of the DB1K and 15/46 (same as 14/43) for the second.



14.46 & 15/46 , 14/43 they are all but the same overall ratio...
Something a sparky showed me once while setting up a motor on a new machine...
There is a diffrents , The ratio combinetion with the smaller driver requires less power and will reach there top speed faster... I have seen this proven on a electric motor where testing the start voltage.. the same ratio with the smaller driver drew less amps dueing start up & took less time
to reach it's max rpms ..

[dino3310]

Used a T63 on this years Dusty Butt on a DR650. Was brand new in wellington on the way down.Worn away and ripped open after 1400 kms.

Didnt manage to finish the Dusty becaue of it ( came up 20 kms short ) and i thought i was taking it easy on the throttle on the sunday.

Have used them on the DRZ in the past also and have never got any more than 1500 kms.

yeah but you live up to your user name:bleh: your "easy on the throttle" is me going tits out trying to keep you in my sights :lol:

[TangoCharlie]

If doing home tyre changes / rotations on ya Adventure Bike (DR650) do you bother getting the wheel balanced.

[NordieBoy]

If doing home tyre changes / rotations on ya Adventure Bike (DR650) do you bother getting the wheel balanced.

I usually bung a tube on the rim and balance for that.

Then at least it's close and I don't bother to balance for the tyre.

[Woodman]

If doing home tyre changes / rotations on ya Adventure Bike (DR650) do you bother getting the wheel balanced.

No..........Never felt the need

[Box'a'bits]

If doing home tyre changes / rotations on ya Adventure Bike (DR650) do you bother getting the wheel balanced.Not generally, though I did once with a tyre that was waaaay out of balance

[dino3310]

nope never found the need to balance

[NordieBoy]

I had a Shinko 244 rear that needed 70g of lead to balance. The E07 on previously didn't need anything.

[Rosie]

If doing home tyre changes / rotations on ya Adventure Bike (DR650) do you bother getting the wheel balanced.

We usually do a quick static balance (buy some wheel weights and stick them on with double-sided adhesive foam strips). It possibly doesn't make a huge difference, unless you are running rimlocks at highway speeds :blink:

[ducatijim]

I'm expecting more than that from the MT43 trials tyres on the TT350!

I wouldn't read too much into that claim, most normal riders will achieve several Kkm outta a T63 on a dr650!!

[TangoCharlie]

I had a Shinko 244 rear that needed 70g of lead to balance. The E07 on previously didn't need anything.

Have you tried the Shinko 700? I can get a rear from Cycletreads for $113
The D606 cut out in 1300km, which at least half of or a bit more was on seal getting to my play ground so I guess I need a 50/50 or 60/40 tyre! At this cost I might give them a crack (hopefully not the knobs)

[NordieBoy]

Have you tried the Shinko 700? I can get a rear from Cycletreads for $113

Nope. The 244 is good but soft and the 705 does all I need. A true 50/50 tyre.

[Howie]

Have you tried the Shinko 700? I can get a rear from Cycletreads for $113
The D606 cut out in 1300km, which at least half of or a bit more was on seal getting to my play ground so I guess I need a 50/50 or 60/40 tyre! At this cost I might give them a crack (hopefully not the knobs)

I use the Shinko E700 on my KLR, have used 3-4 of them on the rear(510-17) The grip is surprisingly good, probably average about 5000km out of them, and could usually squezze a few more out if I had too. They are sensitive to the air pressure you run on the seal though. I haven't tried the D606 so the only comparison I can give is to the T63 130/80-17, which I normally run if I am expecting mud, rough, or greasy conditions on the non sealed parts. I normally average 4000KM out of them.

[TangoCharlie]

I use the Shinko E700 on my KLR, have used 3-4 of them on the rear(510-17) The grip is surprisingly good, probably average about 5000km out of them, and could usually squezze a few more out if I had too. They are sensitive to the air pressure you run on the seal though. I haven't tried the D606 so the only comparison I can give is to the T63 130/80-17, which I normally run if I am expecting mud, rough, or greasy conditions on the non sealed parts. I normally average 4000KM out of them.

Thanks for that info, very helpful. What rear pressure did you end up with on the E700 for sealed roads?

[Pikey]

I'll go for another mitas E09! 4k on rear and just about time to change?

[dino3310]

E07 set 17" & 21"
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/tyres/auction-493617549.htm

[dino3310]

AC10 set 21" & 18"
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/tyres/auction-491996249.htm

[Waipukbiker]

Ive got a Shinko 700 on the rear of my old twin shocker KL250 and its been a bloody good tyre so far, Absolutely no probs on shingle although I tend to be a bit of a nana on corners anyway. I recentlty did the "long way round" in Taupo on it and couldnt fault it on or off road.
I run 20psi in it all the time and Im close to 100kg. How it would go on a heavier bike I dont know plus I havnt been on a slick wet road with it yet so thats an unknown. At this stage I wouldnt hesitate to buy another one.

[Howie]

Thanks for that info, very helpful. What rear pressure did you end up with on the E700 for sealed roads?

I normally run then in the low 30's (psi) on the seal, and only drop them down to about 24-26 psi off the seal.

[warewolf]

do you bother getting the wheel balanced.Absolutely. Roadie tyres balanced only at fitment, chunky tyres once or twice more throughout their life. 4skins did an article (Kiwi Rider?) on this a couple of years ago.

Not that I'd ever run one again, but I didn't re-balance the Kenda K270 rear and it ended up egg-shaped (actually closer to triangular) and a horrible ride. When the tyre reached minimum depth there were two points with 3 and 2.5 mm deeper dread than the lowest point.

[Pikey]

No 130/80 E09s in stock? 140/80 any good?? Or maybe go for a change? Or squeeze another 1000k out of the current one?

[_Shrek_]

No 130/80 E09s in stock? 140/80 any good?? Or maybe go for a change? Or squeeze another 1000k out of the current one?

the 140 will fit ya bike they work well just a bit tight getting on but :2thumbsup

[pete-blen]

May be a good buy if yer looking to try trials tyres..

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=494480801

[Pikey]

After talking to a few riders on last weeks BRR ride and advice from Shrek Mitas E09 140/80 going on this week :) (getting my favourite shop to fit ;) )

[MXNUT]

On Nordie`s recommendation i ordered at Shinko 244 tyre yesterday :whistle:

Will be interested to see how it goes. $98 delivered to my local dealer.

For a 140/80/18 tyre it was $80 cheaper than the next cheapest option.

Best milage i have had out of any rear tyre ( on all my bikes ) is 2500 kms so will be happy if i get that out of the Shinko.

Will probably put on an E07 after that but at $120 cheaper than the Mitas, i thought i should give the shinko a try.:yawn:

1600 kms on the tyre now after the Long way round ADV ride and last weekends MMMMM ride + a bit of hooning around.

Took it easy for the 1st few hundred K`s but last weekend it got well abused. :chase:

Probably about half worn, done a few off road challenge sections and it performed very well except in the thick mud.
No moments on the wet or icey tarseal roads either.
Looks like i will get close to 3000 kms out of it which will be a personal record for me and outstanding for a tyre under $100.00 :love:

[TangoCharlie]

267729
Check this out! Can't take the credit for comming up with the idea as saw a pic on the Net! Made a few Kiwi enhancements.
Used a large 15" Steel Holden Commodore Rim for the base and a 14" Rim for the top. Overall its 800mm tall which stops me having to bend down and stuffing my back. This height and very stable stand allows me to use a bit off muscle to push the bead down and get the tyre fitted with ease! A magnetic tray fits inside to hold all the small bits. Cost next to nothing to make and sure speeds up the process. Even use it for my Mountain Bike Wheels.....

[NordieBoy]

Check this out! Can't take the credit for comming up with the idea as saw a pic on the Net! Made a few Kiwi enhancements.
Used a large 15" Steel Holden Commodore Rim for the base and a 14" Rim for the top. Overall its 800mm tall which stops me having to bend down and stuffing my back. This height and very stable stand allows me to use a bit off muscle to push the bead down and get the tyre fitted with ease! A magnetic tray fits inside to hold all the small bits. Cost next to nothing to make and sure speeds up the process. Even use it for my Mountain Bike Wheels.....

Try some garden hose pipe around the lip.

A small oil drum works well too. Motorbike shops usually throw them away...

[NordieBoy]

Oops. Embedded quoted image again.

I use tapatalk so only see a small thumbnail if anything...

[Nobby]

Since I've the T63 I have no longing to try other tyres...
In every condition they outmatch all other tyres I used till then, they could have a little better grip when the street is wet, but what tyre couldn't?
Regarding I ride mostly on road (what else should I do in germany? Here are very few gravel roads...) the T63 are the best compromise for my TT39 I found for road, gravel, mountain passes, etc.

Ride on!

[NordieBoy]

Since I've the T63 I have no longing to try other tyres...

I feel the same about the Shinko 705's :2thumbsup

[Nobby]

even though I ride on road mostly, the 705 seems too much street orientated for mee, inmmuddy conditions or on grassland they won't do much good I think...

[NordieBoy]

even though I ride on road mostly, the 705 seems too much street orientated for mee, inmmuddy conditions or on grassland they won't do much good I think...
They go better than they've got any right to.
I'd be happy running them on any adventure ride in NZ.
Apart from a MarkS Akatarawa ride that is...

On a 650, loaded up, wet grass and mud, you'd want more in the way of knobs, but for general use they work very well.


For a bit more confidence, a Mitas E07 rear and D606 or MT21 front is hard to beat though.

[GPS MAN]

I rode the Dusty Butt with a EO-7 on the Rear and a D606 on the front...I don't think I could have found a better combo for me..

My thoughts...for what they are worth

[Nobby]

On a 650, loaded up, wet grass and mud, you'd want more in the way of knobs, but for general use they work very well.

agreed

The MT21 I didn'tlike as much as the T63. The D606 looks interesting, have you tried them on wet roads too?

[NordieBoy]

agreed

The MT21 I didn'tlike as much as the T63. The D606 looks interesting, have you tried them on wet roads too?

Nope. The MT21 is the front knobblie for me. Even done a x-country race with one.

[calfinm]

Crumbs, chief, that is cheap! I had assumed they weren't as good as the Shinko / Fullbores but if they are good on tarseal (esp. when wet, where I don't fully trust my E-07's under brakes), the right size and a 5 minute ride away that is looking like a steal. Thanks.

Ive had a Kenda 761 on for prob a bit under 1000 kms now and to be fair the weathers been sporadic however Ive had enough dry days to feel they must be scrubbed in. The first few hundred+ kms felt like I was on ice as soon as it was wet, I had a number of let goes (I'm only running a rear 761) at pretty minimal lean angles, enough to be glad I wasn't running a 761 up front. In the dry I'm happy with them, casual dirt, gravel etc they are fine if you drop pressures. Pretty sure I will get good mileage. If they improve enough to not feel dangerous in the wet I would consider them again, however will probably look at a Shinko 705 next. Would be interested in anyone else using these and how they in the wet.

[chasio]

Ive had a Kenda 761 on for prob a bit under 1000 kms now and to be fair the weathers been sporadic however Ive had enough dry days to feel they must be scrubbed in. The first few hundred+ kms felt like I was on ice as soon as it was wet, I had a number of let goes (I'm only running a rear 761) at pretty minimal lean angles, enough to be glad I wasn't running a 761 up front. In the dry I'm happy with them, casual dirt, gravel etc they are fine if you drop pressures. Pretty sure I will get good mileage. If they improve enough to not feel dangerous in the wet I would consider them again, however will probably look at a Shinko 705 next. Would be interested in anyone else using these and how they in the wet.

I ran that pair of 761's for several hundred kms and they never stopped giving me the shjts on wet seal. I've got 1 bike for everything including the commute so I bailed out and am now running a FullBore M41 rear (same as Shinko 705) and Michelin Anakee 2 front. I like them both. Guess you were more patient than me!

[calfinm]

I ran that pair of 761's for several hundred kms and they never stopped giving me the shjts on wet seal. I've got 1 bike for everything including the commute so I bailed out and am now running a FullBore M41 rear (same as Shinko 705) and Michelin Anakee 2 front. I like them both. Guess you were more patient than me!

Yeah, its not my commuter so Ive found Ive started picking my days to ride. Cant say Ive ever had a tire on a bike thats felt this bad in the wet.. knew the price was too good to be true.

[_Shrek_]

bit of an update on the Eo7's for the big bikes, (150/70x17 R & 110/80x19 F) bike handles well on the metal & seal alot more stable than when I was running the smaller size, rode up to CHCH yesterday from dry to snow then wet & they only let go in the wet when I changed down & gave it a hand full on the shiny stuff running 30psi rear 32 front on seal & metal a pressure that suits bike with me on, & two up 36 F & R

[vegeman]

they only let go in the wet when I changed down & gave it a hand full on the shiny stuff running

I'm pleased that you had this slipping in the wet under power (only because I had it as well), and for me, it's the only thing with the E07 that bothered me.. It did that a few times for me on the 690, and the first time it happened, I was travelling in a straight line, and not even under full power. When I put the K60's on...I tried to replicate the same conditions and the k60 never missed a beat.

Its for that reason, I feel that the K60 will be the tyre choice in the 50/50 market.

[NordieBoy]

Its for that reason, I feel that the K60 will be the tyre choice in the 50/50 market.
I've never had that happen on any of the E07's I've run.