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XP@
5th July 2006, 16:25
What are your favourite on / off road tyres?
Looking for the best all rounder

Bridgestone trailwings: Road: Good, Gravel (Dry) Ok, Gravel (Wet) Urrrrrgh, Mud NO WAY
Continental TKC80 Road Good, Gravel Good, Mud Ok

far queue
5th July 2006, 21:01
Looking for the best all rounder
There's no such thing, but it's a good way to start an argument :mad:

Adventure/Dual Sport tyres are just like Adventure/Dual Sport bikes - a compromise between road and off road and what anyone says is the best depends on what they use them for in their world. IE how much importance they place on their road or off road riding.

I tend to buy tyres biased more towards the off road side of things giving good traction in mud, soft sand, shingle etc, while hoping to maintain reasonable road traction and wear. The other end of the spectrum would be the mainly road user that wants to ride shingle roads too.

Anyway, my 1st tyres were the stock Bridgestone Trailwings - I found themto be great on the road and OK on shingle, but crap if you ventured into the rougher stuff. I replaced these when they were half worn with Pirelli MT21's front and rear - I found them to be great in off road conditions far from the beaten track and great traction on the road, although I was always careful and never pushed them on wet roads, though still managed to pass the Harleys with no trouble in the wet :moon: - well you have to really don't you :blip: They'd done 6000km when I replaced them and they were absolutly rooted by then. Great tyres happy to use again. Replaced them with Mitas E09's front and rear, because they were recommended, cheaper, and I just wanted to try something different - I'm finding them to be great in all off road conditions and great on road so far, they seem to be wearing OK so far, time will tell - I haven't had the opportunity to pass a Harley with them yet though :whistle:

Henk
5th July 2006, 22:36
Doing mostly road i.e. commute every day as well as a gravel road toy and the occassional foray into Woodhill and Riverhead forests on the TTR600 I've used Dunlop D505s (I think) MT21 and TKC80s. The 505s and MT21s were great on gravel and off road but are completely shagged by 6000ks the contis are better on road and last longer. The MT21 front is also hellishly noisy on tarmac at 60ish kmph. Next will be something even more road oriented since I do 96% road 3% gravel and 1% or less off road. It's a game of compromise as with the bikes, and both are good starters for religeous arguments.

Motu
5th July 2006, 23:21
I do mainly gravel roads,so my choices are biased on what I ride.I've used Kenda K760 Trackmasters on both my bikes,they work better on the heavy XT on seal,the lighter and more powerful DT230 skitters over the road,and on gravel they don't seem to bite that well.I think if I was doing more off road they would be great.....that was the idea,but I'm stuck on gravel lately.

I had IRC GP21/22's on the DT,and I was very impressed,they are soft and really stick on seal,wrap around along way so it had 10mm chicken strips no matter how hard I tried.On gravel they hooked up better than a new Trackmaster even when bald.I thought they were pretty good in wet clay too,considering.I'm impressed with how well the front works,but it could be because a 2 stroke makes the front lighter.I had an IRC GP110 on the rear of the XT for awhile,but it was dangerous under brakes in gravel,it just wouldn't hook up... a good road tyre only.I'm putting it back on the XT and matching it with a Pirelli MT17,looks aggressive,but has good side knobs for cornering on seal.

The TKC80 always gets good reports,and I was very impressed with the one I had on the front of the XLV750 - I don't know how the hell it hung on cranked over on seal,it was well off the sides of the knobs but never moved a mm.Gave me good confidence in gravel,but still wouldn't hold the bike up in mud...nor could I,it was a really heavy bike,and I'm not big.

I need a rear tyre for the DT230 now,and it seems hard to find something in 18in....I'm surprised at that,17in are the adventure size.I'm trying to find a GP22.The 4.00 x 18 TKC80 looks more like a front tyre,with small close knobs,more like a trials tyre.So if that's the case I'll go for a trials tyre,the Mitas ET01,being stiffer and harder compound than a real trials tyre...but still better than a trials universal.

She's a hard road finding the perfect tyre Boy.....

far queue
6th July 2006, 08:45
I need a rear tyre for the DT230 now,and it seems hard to find something in 18in....I'm surprised at that,17in are the adventure size.I'm trying to find a GP22.The 4.00 x 18 TKC80 looks more like a front tyre,with small close knobs,more like a trials tyre.So if that's the case I'll go for a trials tyre,the Mitas ET01,being stiffer and harder compound than a real trials tyre...but still better than a trials universal.

Have you looked at the Mitas E07, it looks like a good tyre that may suit what you want to do with it?

clint640
6th July 2006, 08:56
I'll put in another vote for the TKC80 front. It's a very good compromise. I'd try a TKC80 rear but they're expensive & the KTM eats rear rubber for breakfast. I use a Pirelli MT70 on the back which performs really well & is near $100 cheaper, important as I'm on my 3rd rear for the year already.

The stock TW302 bridgestones were pretty much crap, I've tried an MT21 Pirelli on the rear, great hookup on gravel & mud but they wore way too fast, an MT90 rear wore really well but was pretty skittery on gravel, MT70 front was great on road & OK on gravel with good life but the TKC80 is as good on road & much better on gravel or mud, & looks like it will last almost as long.

I use Kenda Trakmasters for trail rides, they're good for that but wouldn't last long on the tarseal under the KTM.

BT45 Bridgestones showed excellent harley & sportbike passing ability but the front can let go without much warning when you're on the limit & they'd be crap on gravel.

YMMV

Cheers
Clint

Motu
6th July 2006, 11:46
I think it's important to run as aggressive a front tyre as you can get,once you are off the seal you've just got to have a front tyre that gives you control.Any smoothish tyre is going to roll and give no directional stability in gravel,and in mud be next to useless.I find a knob no problem on seal,so long as you get the throttle on early in the corners.....they only push or slide if you come charging into corners too fast,just a slight change in riding style and you'll be able to go as fast as a more street tyre.A TKC80 is as street as I would go,although I'm impressed with the IRC GP21 - but I need to experiment with more front tyres on the DT230,I suspect the 2 stroke with no engine braking keeps the front light,letting me get away with a less aggressive tyre.

rogson
6th July 2006, 12:50
I agree with Motu.

A more aggressive tyre on the font will work OK on the seal but will be heaps more planted off. And the loading on the front isn't as high so even an aggressive tyre used on seal will get you 5,000km or more.

The rear is another matter. When its dry and hard you can use almost anything. When its wet, loose or soft you need knobs. The more aggressive the tyre the quicker it gets chewed-up, especially at highway speeds on seal when a lot of heat is concentrated in the knobs in the middle section of the tyre. Comparing tyres is therefore quite easy. Look at the tread/knob pattern. The more rubber in contact with the ground the longer the tyre will last but the less effective it will be when the going gets tough.

At the (highway approved) aggressive end of the spectrum I have experience with Pirelli MT 21 and Kenda Trackmaster. Both of them work OK in the gravel/dirt. Both move around on the knobs under hard cornering on seal - but thats OK because they are warning you they are getting near their limit. Both wear fast on seal (less than 2,000km). So, for me it comes down to buying the cheapest one which was the Kenda the last time I compared them.

clint640
6th July 2006, 12:55
At the (highway approved) aggressive end of the spectrum I have experience with Pirelli MT 21 and Kenda Trackmaster. Both of them work OK in the gravel/dirt. Both move around on the knobs under hard cornering on seal - but thats OK because they are warning you they are getting near their limit. Both wear fast on seal (less than 2,000km). So, for me it comes down to buying the cheapest one which was the Kenda the last time I compared them.

Isn't there a Vee Rubber tyre that is pretty much a cheap MT21 copy? might be worth a try.

Cheers
Clint

rogson
6th July 2006, 13:10
Isn't there a Vee Rubber tyre that is pretty much a cheap MT21 copy? might be worth a try.

Yep, if it's MT21ish and its the cheapest - and I can get one! - I'll try it.

XTC
6th July 2006, 13:12
Yes the Vee rubber is a VRM147 lasted 5000km's on the XT. Grips really well on the road even in the wet. Have ridden around the outside of road bikes on the coro loop on this tyre. Costs about $100 retail. The kenda K270 was good on the road but squirmed a bit mid corner when new. Was hopeless in the wet on the seal but lasted 8000km's on the XT. I use a TKC80 on the front and wouldn't consider anything else fot the gravel/street mix on some of our rides. But I remove it between these rides and replace it with the original Dunlop trailmax for commuting duties. At the moment I have a bridgestone Trailwing 018 on the rear and was super impressed with that on the Mmmmm ride espacially in the snow and ice (i won this special section by a good margin :lol ) and it works extremely well on the road even in the flood like conditions we had all the way home from this ride. Was only $80 from Boyd Honda too.
If I was only using the bike for rides like the Mmmmm and waikato gravel rides we have done I would just leave the TKC80 on the front and the VRM147 on the rear.
Keep in mind that the Silk Riders did 19000km's in all sorts of conditions on 2 sets of Metzeler Enduro 4 tourances with nothing but praise and these resemble road tyres! Even a road biased tyre will get you places you wouldn't expect it to - Just drop the pressure a bit.
Andy

Pic 1 - Vee Rubber VRM147
Pic 2 - Continental TKC80

warewolf
6th July 2006, 13:51
The TKC80 is doing well on the front as an all-rounder, such that I don't see the need to go any more road-oriented for any reason, but I didn't like the rear. The MT21 rear has indisputabley more dirt grip, more feel and thus for me more tar grip wet or dry. Half the price and half the life of the TKC80.

My MT21 hasn't chunked too much, but lots of folks on advrider report severe chunking. Lots of reading on that site leads me to the conclusion that the "hot ticket" for aggressive tyres on the mid-range bikes is Pirelli MT21 front and Dunlop D606 rear. The D606 grips the same as the MT21 but doesn't chunk. The D606 front is the poor cousin by all accounts.

The TKC80 on the front off-road is just "OK" but the 640 Adventure is a bit of a point'n'squirt kinda bike anyway. Took me a while to work that out. Ride it as such and the front doesn't seem to do too much; the rear via the throttle does all the steering! :yes: One day I will try an aggressive front to see if it will steer and/or grip a bit better, but from many reports I've read it just has too much weight up front to rail around corners. Keen to give it a go, but I've got an IRC TR-8 (http://www.irc-tire.com/mce/tires/br-99.html#tr-8) waiting to go on next.

Would like to try an MT70 since Clint keeps on buying them. I'm also using an MT90 A/T as a long-life road-only tyre and it's OK on gravel but poor in the slop. But I'm quite happy to ride gravel roads on road tyres. I only go for more aggressive tyres for more challenging conditions than a groomed road offers.

warewolf
6th July 2006, 14:08
Yes the Vee rubber is a VRM147 lasted 5000km's on the XT. Grips really well on the road even in the wet. Have ridden around the outside of road bikes on the coro loop on this tyre. Costs about $100 retail. That is a complete rip-off of the MT21, apart from the textured finish...and the price. :laugh:

warewolf
6th July 2006, 14:11
I had an IRC GP110 on the rear of the XT for awhile,but it was dangerous under brakes in gravel,it just wouldn't hook up... a good road tyre only.Sounds like a "must avoid". Good to hear some feedback on them, as the tyre place was suggesting I give them a go. The continuous centre knob pattern is supposed to improve on-road perfomance (grip & life) but sounds like it also compromises dirt too much to be worth while.

Motu
6th July 2006, 14:58
Yeah,that centre section makes it a street tyre.I find you can run any rear tyre under power - if they spin up too much you just feather the throttle.But traction problems really show up under braking - overshooting on a downhill off camber with no gaurd rail and a 100mtr drop off is just too damn late to find out it won't slow you down.

The GP110 is street end of the spectrum for me.I like the look of that BR92,it comes in my 4.60 x 18 size and looks to have enough side knobs to handle some pushing on seal.

SDU
6th July 2006, 19:37
I liked the Pirelli MT21 on the front & loved the Mitas E09 on the rear of my Serow.
I'm defiantly going to put the Mitas E09 (loves the mud) on the DR650 when its due for tyres.
Got some cheap shinko R244's on the DR650 at the moment. They took awhile to bed in, slippery as initially (Scary moments:gob:). I've only used them on gravel & road so far but are they ok. They handled the trip to the Brass no problem. Yet to test them off road.

laRIKin
6th July 2006, 20:48
I like the Pirelli MT 21's as a good all rounded tire.
I have found when pushing hard off road the front lets go, so I have not bought another one.

My favourite off road combo is Dunlop 606 up front and a Michelin AC10 at the rear.
These are OK on the road, but be careful until you get use to them.
When half worn you can push them real hard on the road, by going steady in to the corners and hard and smooth on the gas out.
And feel a controlled drift out. Magic
Properly not the best tire if you want them to last.
But they last long enough for me and the grip off road is the best that I have found for a DOT that I like.

I/we bought the cheapo Shinko R244's for the Brass Monkey as we needed
a few tires and money was tight after buying SDU DR and other gear for the Brass.
And wanted a more of a road and gravel tire that would not vibrate on the road for the trip.

As SDU said they were horrible for the first ride or two.
After they had bedded in and we lowered the pressure to 18 PSI, to try and get some heat in to them they were OK on the street.
I have not pushed them real hard on the road Yet.

I have taken them off road and in the snow.
I managed to get though any bog hole and the snow with them.
And in the less muddy bits they were good but did slide around in the slippery stuff.
I don't think I would not want to go to fast with them off road and really push them.

They are what they are, a good cheap tire that will take you most places and you can do a good mileage on them. (so I have been told)

If money was tight and we were doing a lot of road gravel riding I would buy them again.

Now how did this turn in to a review on the tire.

Zukin
7th July 2006, 10:30
Great Topic

Keep them coming, being a novice and all I can only rely on advice from sales people, and then I often wonder "Have they ever use these tyres for this purpose"? or "is there just a better margin on this tyre"?

Cheers

laRIKin
8th July 2006, 09:23
Great Topic

Keep them coming, being a novice and all I can only rely on advice from sales people, and then I often wonder "Have they ever use these tyres for this purpose"? or "is there just a better margin on this tyre"?

Cheers

After reading your post and it still fresh in my mind.

I read this on KTM Talk and had a good giggle.



This is kind of a vent message, but reasonable. I ran a Mitas Trial tire and thought it was awesome in the wet (really impressed) - when it was dry and sandy it was not to good, or poor. So I needed a new 18" rear knobby for my 05 300 EXC quickly. Went to one local dealer and they had plenty of 19" rear wheels, but no 18's. Then I went to a Suzuki dealer that had MX bikes on the floor, I asked for a 110 x 18 rear, he said "is that for an XR 100 or something", I said no this is for a KTM. He kinda laughed and said he has been riding for 30 years and they don't sell/use 18" rear tires anymore. I said I have been riding for over 35 years and they (18") are still popular. He said those are for Can-Am's and Bultaco's that used them a long time ago. I said I bet Suzuki's new off road 450 will have one. Then I walked out and just said yeah see ya... knowing I won't be back. Should have said the Yamaha WR, and CRF-X Honda's just 18" wheel. Found a nice S-12 110 x 18 at a KTM deal of all places...

KTex

It makes my mind boggle to the advice that some of the staff in some shops give.
I was once told that Kawasaki do not make a 400cc 4 cylinder road bike and it was a Kawasaki shop.
I said that he better go down to the race track and he would see a few of these mythical bikes I was trying to buy.
He now owns the shop here in CH.CH. :crazy:

Wolf
11th July 2006, 11:35
Cheers warewolf for your assessment of the MT90 A/T. I've noted that it is indeed poor in the slop but I haven't tried it in proper gravel yet (my driveway doesn't count) - nice to know what to expect. Good to hear it is a long-life tyre.

Pickle
11th July 2006, 12:04
I run the shinko's on my KLR250 & have been having an excellent run out of them doing road / gravel rides. Great on the road in the wet & really good in the dry. Mind you the KLR does not have the power to push them around.

Doing anything more than gravel requires a big drop in pressure from the road 24psi in the rear to a more offroad 12psi

The wife runs the IRC's on her KLR similar on road not as good on gravel but last longer, cost more tho, then I like sliding around a bit as well.

warewolf
11th July 2006, 12:22
Cheers warewolf for your assessment of the MT90 A/T. <snip> Good to hear it is a long-life tyre.Well it turns out it is only long-lived cf. the MT21, which is quite a nasty surprise! :gob:
It's used 4mm of tread in 1900km, so likely will only get to 4000km; about the same distance as a TKC80 but cheaper, less vibes and less dirt grip. Much of that distance was gentle road cruising, so I'm unlikely to better that number.

Next!


OK I stuffed up; it's only used 2.5mm of tread (8.5mm new), but even so, I'll only likely get 5000km out of it.


Clint, what did you get out of the MT90? And what sort of distance out of the MT70s?

Cheers

clint640
12th July 2006, 13:10
Pretty sure I got to around 7000+ on the MT90. The MT70 is good for about 4000.

Cheers
Clint

warewolf
12th July 2006, 14:47
Thanks Clint. Here's hoping I can get something like that out of it, but doesn't look likely.

oldrider
22nd July 2006, 22:41
Pretty sure I got to around 7000+ on the MT90. The MT70 is good for about 4000.

Cheers
Clint
Have any of you TransAlp 650 riders tried out the Pirelli MT90 A/T tyres?
I have always wanted to try them but always end up with "Tourances".
The tourances are good on the road but not too good on wet green grass.
I will have to make a concerted effort to get the Pirellis and would like to know others experiences before I force the issue.
I have seen them (but not actually ridden) on a variety of other makes and marks but not actually on a T/A. Cheers John.

Wolf
23rd July 2006, 01:06
I haven't got a Transalp 650, John, but I finally got the MT90 A/Ts out in the gravel - road works, small skittery gravel on a hard surface - and was well impressed with the way the XT225 behaved.

Downhill, round a corner - usually brown-trouser time on all the street tyres I've had and the bike performed like on tarmac.

I've somewhat forgiven the tyre's behaviour and attributed even more of my recent bad experience to my lack of experience off road in mud. The tyres are still reputedly shit in mud (but a good off-road rider may well be able to compensate) but so far I've had no problems with the MT90 A/Ts on wet and dry tarmac and gravel.

Zukin
31st July 2006, 14:24
Hey all

I am about to put some new feet on the XR250

Now my plan is to go for either the

MT21 front and rear
TkC80 front and rear

I am leaning more towards the MT21's after reading others experiences on here, and that they are quite a bit cheaper!:yes:

If you have any other suggestions please holler

Cheers

clint640
31st July 2006, 16:28
Choosing between those two depends on how much grip you want offroad. The MT21 is a lot more aggressive & will wear faster. The TKC's will be better onroad & will last twice as long.

Given that you're starting out & won't be trying to be Boris Chambon on the tarmac I'd go for the MT21's as they'll give you heaps more confidence on the gravel where it's easier to come unstuck.

Cheers
Clint

Motu
4th September 2006, 09:01
Has anyone tried the Michelin T63? It would fit between the 18'' TKC80 and a K760,I can fit my thumb between the knobs,but nowhere near aggressive as a K760.The knobs are big and wrap around the sides so they won't squirm on the road,I think it'll be pretty good on seal,no problem on gravel and should do some moderate off road....like it should handle mud on the flat but never climb a muddy hill.

When I got my first adventure bike with a 17'' wheel I wasn't too happy with the tyre choice,and used to look with envy at the 18'' rack.Now I've got a bike with an 18'' rear I find the choices very limited,and the 4.60x18 it's supposed to have is non existant.I went for a 120/80 with the T63,pretty close,and have a 110/100 on at the moment,but the listed size would be nice.I have spare wheels with NHS knobs on,so don't need an aggressive tyre,but finding a 50/50 DOT tyre has been a long search.

warewolf
4th September 2006, 16:36
Haven't used the Michelin T63 personally but seen quite a few in use. They're similar to the Pirelli MT21 in many ways...same shite, different smell.

Don't whinge about the 4.60x18. The 640 Adventure runs the next size up which is even harder to find. There are plenty of tyres made to suit, but there are very few sitting on racks in the tyre shops in NZ. I don't think it matters what size wheels you have on your adventure bike. Every time you go see a tyre guy he's going to suck air through his teeth and proclaim it's an unusual size with limited choice.

ZReX12
22nd October 2006, 09:48
Tyres are just one of those "never a right answer" questions. I ride a BMW F650GS (19" front wheel) for everyday commuting and weekend trail riding.
Did 7k on Bridgestone trailwings (TW101 19" front, TW42 17" rear) OK on the seal but rubbish elsewhere, mostly due to the TW101 front having no bite whatsoever off road (including gravel roads) the rear seems to hook up OK on most surfaces suitable for this type of bike (ie keep it away from mud with no hard base).
The TW101 front seems to generate constant small oscillations at highway speeds. I expect this could trash steering head beerings quite quickly.

Replaced the TW101 front with a Continental TKC80 and the rear with a V-Rubber VR163. Feels like a completely different bike. The seal performance is much quicker with the bike "dropping" in to corners, doesn't appear to be significant difference in grip or braking performance, but its off road that the difference is remarkable, the TKC80 grips where as the TW101 just tried to washout whenever possible. The rear V-Rubber has a pattern very similiar to the TW42 it replaced, while there is no improvement in the rear grip in slush the fact that the front now goes where its pointed means the rear can look after itself much easier, as a fist full no longer sends the front sideways.

May try something like the VRM251 on the rear if any more dirt traction is needed. The cost of the V Rubber tyres being half that of the name brand rubber trying out something different woun't break the bank. But will stick with the conti on the front I think.

topher
26th October 2006, 17:08
I've had good Tarmac and gravel performance from Pirelli MT90 - about 7000Km on a relatively heavy bike. Being a great big pig ( the bike, not me, I'm a 75Kg weakling) I don't go off the gravel much. the track off the north end of Baillies beach (Dargaville, Northland) is as nasty as I've had it and the tyres, bike and I coped no worries. The Pirellis work as good or better than either the Michelin Anakee or Metzlers that I've had on the same bike. The Metzlers get twice the mileage as the Pirellis but not quite as surefooted, pretty good though and the Michelin is mediocre dry or wet. Look at http://www.roadkill.com/~davet/moto/tire.review.html for a euro answer.

oldrider
26th October 2006, 23:26
Well, I fitted a Mitas E08 on the back today @ 42,000km on the T/A's clock.
I will let you know how it goes.
Doesn't feel much different to the Tourances when I went for a wee ride to scrub it in but haven't been too far, or over either, of course. John.

Transalper
27th October 2006, 08:01
You meen E07 i think?

oldrider
27th October 2006, 08:41
You meen E07 i think?

No Carl an E08! This is an interim fit because the E07's are still all at sea in the lost container! :gob:

I have kept my order in for the E07's when they arrive, should be OK for next winter. Cheers John.

Transalper
27th October 2006, 10:23
Just looked at the E08 on the advrider forum (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170764). Looks much closer to the Tourance in pattern style. What they charge u for that? or was it some sort of sorry we are having problems with your original order so heres what we can do to say sorry.

oldrider
27th October 2006, 17:12
Just looked at the E08 on the advrider forum (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170764). Looks much closer to the Tourance in pattern style. What they charge u for that? or was it some sort of sorry we are having problems with your original order so heres what we can do to say sorry.

No, I just bought it off a retailer up North and had it sent down and fitted it here.

Haven't got the bill yet but you guys will have all the prices there wouldn't you? I just needed a tyre!

Yes it is just like the Tourance really but maybe a bit deeper cut and courser in the tread blocks, at least it is a Mitas and that is what I was wanting to try out.

Next time it will be the E07's. Cheers John.

XF650
27th October 2006, 20:43
Recently fitted an E08 to my bike, mainly because the E07 is out of stock. It seems to match the Metzler Tourance that I have on the front. While I haven't as yet tried the Mitas off road, I did give it a good thrashing @ Riding Course on Levels Raceway today.
Have to say I am very impressed. No hint of looseness and I was cornering as hard & as fast as I could (for a novice) but I did scrape the foot pegs a few times.
So for my type of bike, for the work it has done so far including a return trip on inland Kaikoura road, the E08 has been great.

Jantar
27th October 2006, 21:44
I will shortly be looking for another set of tyres for my Strom, and I am trying to decide between Trailwing, Tourance or Anakee. Despite all the bad things I've heard about the Trailwings I have found them to quite satisfactory on the seal, bloody good on gravel, OK on hard dirt or rock, difficult on mud or sand, and almost impossible on wet grass.

I tend to ride about 80 - 90% sealed roads, 10% gravel and 5% off road. Some of the places I've been (not sealed roads) include my own driveway (1 km gravel), my own paddocks (grass), Tucker Hill (rocky), Lower Manorburn (mud track), Bendigo diggings (dirt track) etc.

I might add that the Trailwings are not too bad on icy roads, but only average in snow. Now I consider that to be a pretty good general purpose tyre, but as someone else has already commented, there is no tyre that will do everything well.

warewolf
28th October 2006, 19:03
Pretty sure there is an E07 rear sitting on the shelf at Cycletreads Nelson (Bullion Motorcycles).

It looks very similar to the IRC GP-110 (http://www.irc-tire.com/mce/tires/gp-110.html#gp-110); also in stock at Bullion. Might be worth a look when the E07 is hard to find. Has anyone run both and can compare them? Motu commented above (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=673822#673822) that he didn't rate them.

topher
29th October 2006, 15:39
I will shortly be looking for another set of tyres for my Strom, and I am trying to decide between Trailwing, Tourance or Anakee. Despite all the bad things I've heard about the Trailwings I have found them to quite satisfactory on the seal, bloody good on gravel, OK on hard dirt or rock, difficult on mud or sand, and almost impossible on wet grass.

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I've replaced a rear Tourance with an Anakee. I won't do that again - seriously considering not wearing the thing out, just biting the bullet and going back to the Tourance. The Anakee isn't nearly as precise in the dry and is plain slippery on wet tar. The Tourance gave fantastic mileage (on a heavy bike) and worked well in most conditions. The Pirelli MT80/90 combination gave me best wet road performance but didn't last well.

rustys
3rd December 2006, 07:18
very interesting thread, motu asked about the Michelin T 63. I have a Xt 600 which came out with Dunlop Trail Max Tyres, did'nt find them much good all round , (smaller block pattern than the Trailwings) might be all right for commuting thats all, front very skittery in the gravel usless in the soft. Went and bought a set of T63 s totaly different all round,with confidence i can attack gravel,mud and seal,in any condition wet or dry,giving most sports bike riders the hurry up through the corners, i do most klms on the seal and i'am getting around 5000klms out of the rear and more out of the front,find them noisy on really smooth tarmac ie hotmix surfaces. Prices for these tyres are very reasonable $130 rear $110 front.Taking the Xt down South Island for a couple weeks two up at Xmas, and have just fitted a set Bridgestone T41 front and T42 rear,traveling easy going back country gravel roads,and about 1800 klms on seal, hope i've made the right choice ?:sunny:

zooter
3rd December 2006, 14:33
Novice off roader question:

This is a bit off the wall but what I am about to do is hook a light trailer behind a ttr600 and do Dial a Driver for hoytie toyt Range Rovers. A lot of them live up dodgy gravel drives on the tops of hills. Speed going down isn't too important but safety is. Also tyre economy. 99% of the running is high speed on seal. Best choice to order in?

For reference gravel on road bike really puts the shits up me.

alfonz
17th December 2006, 14:20
having just gone on a trip in the weekend up to the snow and fram tracks and mud rivers soft stones and bog and soft clay to which i came off but tryes were on my mind before i went i brougt a bridgestone trailwing for the frount and a tkc 80 for the back they were great both tryes the tkc 80 was on the back and didnt let me down it has good grip on road and really great off road

TheTourist
27th December 2006, 19:31
On the strength of this thread, and Farqueue's recommendation of Mitas, i fitted MITAS E-07 to the Africa Twin, after also finding the Bridgestones to be poor performers in the larger gravel and anything worse.

The E-09 model is really knobbley, and not surprisingly Farqueue reports they are good in all conditions. Of course they probably won't last too long on the tarmac. A good compromise seemed to be the E-07s which are a herringbone pattern with deep knobs yet a good proportion of rubber contacts the road.

I have run the (top heavy 2 wheeled Honda tank) in all kinds of gravel and shale and even mud (see the report and video of the Lees Valley ride by Transalper). The bike was far more stable than I hoped for. Reduction in psi made a significant difference. For Lees Valley I was down to 10psi (by guessing) on the rear for the mud. About 18psi on the front.

On the sealed roads, they are great, cruising through sweeping bends at 100 -120 km/h no problem. Even in the wet, through tighter twisties, they feel good.

Wear rate: Only done 2000kms on them. They are showing some wear obviously. The guys at Cycletreads (? not sure if that is the name- off Tuam St- Saxon St?) supplied the pair for $130 rear, $110 front. (small fee fitting per wheel, not loose). They have a worn pair of E-07s from an F650 which does 1100kms a week and the guy reckons he got 14,000km out of them, running under-inflated. Hmmm. Remains to be seen. But for the price, and for my needs (highway touring with a few 4x4 tracks thrown in) they seem the perfect compromise.

Even if you only do 1% of your riding on the rougher roads, it is those moments you will be cursing not having big enough knobs (so to speak). And with these tyres being as good as they seem on the road, I reckon they are the answer for most adventure riders with only one bike which needs to go everywhere.

Cheers
Dan
www.wideboyracer.co.uk/gallery

Transalper
28th December 2006, 20:21
On the strength of this thread, and Farqueue's recommendation of Mitas, i fitted MITAS E-07 to the Africa Twin.... The guys at Cycletreads (? not sure if that is the name- off Tuam St- Saxon St?) supplied the pair for $130 rear, $110 front. (small fee fitting per wheel, not loose). ....
That would be Dirt Action in Saxon St.
Don at Cycle Treads is another good guy but when last i spoke to him he didn't stock the Mitas brand.

Transalper
28th December 2006, 21:10
A quick note on the durability of the knobbier Mitas, the E09 rear tyre as used on my Transalp.
It's now done 6400km and is about ready for a replacement, the road surface is starting to touch the tyre between the knobs down the middle so i don't think it'll last much longer. I've done a mix of stuff on this tyre. A lot of stuff fully loaded including the Kitchen sink solo and pillioned, sealed and unsealed. It might have another ride or two in it but I'm about to go to Hastings so will be changing it now.

Moki
8th January 2007, 22:16
Pirelli Scorpions seem to be holding up quite well on my R1150GS Adv. I use mainly for commutng 200km+ per day. Not too many opportunities to get off road at the moment. Previous owner had TK80s on it, but they're a bit hairy in the wet on sealed rodes (as one could imagine).

warewolf
9th January 2007, 11:52
Pirelli ScorpionsS/T or A/T?

RedKLR650
11th January 2007, 23:52
I run the shinko's on my KLR250 & have been having an excellent run out of them doing road / gravel rides. Great on the road in the wet & really good in the dry. Mind you the KLR does not have the power to push them around.
Doing anything more than gravel requires a big drop in pressure from the road 24psi in the rear to a more offroad 12psi
The wife runs the IRC's on her KLR similar on road not as good on gravel but last longer, cost more tho, then I like sliding around a bit as well.

My current KLR650 is still on the original Dunlop K750's 21"front and 17"Rear, but on the previous KLR I ran an IRC on the rear, and it was GREAT - couldn't praise them high enough. But to be fair, I do very little mud type off roading, and they probably wouldn't be much good there. But for those whose offroading is limited to shngle, they are fantastic. I do about 60% seal, 40% gravel back roads, and they perform well on both, with good traction in the gravel, along with good braking abilities, and on the seal, the corner well enough I can scrape the pegs ( have you seen how high the footpegs are on a KLR 650 !! ) Grip well when cornering in the wet on seal too

Stu:scooter:

oldrider
17th January 2007, 20:20
I am still trying to wear out my front "Tourance" so that I can get my set of Mitas E07's fitted!
Currently have a (mismatched) worn front tourance (out of balance now) and a Mitas E08 on the back (also possibly out of balance).
Funny how quickly tyres wear out when you don't want them to but how long they last when you think that you would like to change them as soon as!
I don't want to take the wheels off and balance them up just for a few Km but if the front doesn't wear out soon that's just what I will have to do.
Slow speed wobbles are starting to get a bit embarrassing, I am sure people will be able to see it soon! :shit:
I hope the Mitas E07's live up to my expectations, when I eventually get them on. Cheers John.

Transalper
17th January 2007, 22:05
Got a fairly new E07 on front and that old rear one with 12000km already on it back on my Transalp for summer.
I've noticed that they produce a little road noise at lower speeds. I only notice it about town, on the open road i only hear the wind.

cooneyr
18th January 2007, 08:00
Just for something different given the gravel/seal road tyres being tallked about. The Pirelli MT21's were on the bike when I got it. They were down to about 6-8mm of tread (not really sure) and I have done about 2000kms on them at about 20 psi so at the end of the buller trip I had about 2mm left. Was running on the carcass between the centre blocks so though time for a new tyre. Have been keen to try a Dunlop D606 for a while so went to Filco in NN. Still have the MT21 front on.

First thing I noticed was that having a "proper" profile made me so much more confident in corners. No trying to get onto and hold the ridge on the edge of the tyre. Heaps more confident now. I've done about 350kms on the D606 and so far (early days) I like the rubber compound which is not quite as hard as the MT21 so hopefully more grip on wet seal. Also I like the idea of the tread pattern which is "slightly" smaller blocks and "slightly" more closed up than the MT21 rear. Dont know but I suspect that will wear about the same cause of the closer blocks and softer compound.

Anyway best bit is the profile.

Pics of worn MT21 and new D606.

Cheers
R

Wolf
18th January 2007, 09:45
Crikey, cooneyr, that MT21 is almost as square as maha-man's tyres :devil2:

cooneyr
18th January 2007, 10:02
Crikey, cooneyr, that MT21 is almost as square as maha-man's tyres :devil2:

Waste not want not LOL. Yep the new profile is the best thing ever. So much better for getting round corners. I think there was too many kms with too lower pressure on the MT21.

Cheers
R

oldrider
2nd February 2007, 08:33
Had my new Mitas E07 tyres fitted today and have done 283kms and they feel good so far.

The bike had just ticked over to 47,000km at the time of fitting the new tyres.

Took a trip around the block over the Te Akatarawa - Blackforest, return via Hakataramea last night, just to scrub them in.(172km)

With a bit of luck I should be able to get away to the Vincent rally, via Dansey Pass, Moa Creek and Raggedy Range roads, which just drops you nicely into Galloway and the rally site. Cheers John.

oldrider
4th February 2007, 20:12
Had my new Mitas E07 tyres fitted today and have done 283kms and they feel good so far.

The bike had just ticked over to 47,000km at the time of fitting the new tyres.

Took a trip around the block over the Te Akatarawa - Blackforest, return via Hakataramea last night, just to scrub them in.(172km)

With a bit of luck I should be able to get away to the Vincent rally, via Dansey Pass, Moa Creek and Raggedy Range roads, which just drops you nicely into Galloway and the rally site. Cheers John.

Went to the Vincent @ Galloway as planned, came home via Crown range and my son's home at Wanaka then via a few interesting little gravel back roads between Tarras and the Lindis Pass.

I am very pleased with the Mitas EO7s' but have been a little wary of pushing them over to the full edge on the tarmac because I was unsure how far they would like to be taken.

Got off to check how close I was getting by checking the dust wiped off (by the tarmac) after being on the gravel only to find that I was already right out on the outside edge anyway!!!!! :gob:

They felt really good hanging out there too, I wonder just what they are going to be like if they let go! :shit: Ouch perhaps????

Did I say that the shop put the front one on back to front! funny thing is it seems to be doing the business OK but will turn it around as soon as I can.

They have got 804 km on them since fitting and have had a real mixed bag of tarmac, gravel and a few bits of grassy shit, there is a a bit of wear showing already but that is probably just the sharp edges coming off.

So far I have to say I feel good about them and they seem to feed back very sensitive information about the road etc and track really well in thick loose gravel, some of that at quite high speed.(limited to 99.99km/hr of course!)

I like them, "so far". :yes: Cheers John.

Transalper
4th February 2007, 20:20
Glad to hear they are working out for you. Sounds like you're a bit keener in the corners on the ashfelt than I am. One day we'll get down there with time for a ride with ya.

NordieBoy
5th February 2007, 10:18
Excellent.
E07's are going on the DR as soon as possible.
Who is the NZ importer?

RedKLR650
5th February 2007, 11:53
Had my new Mitas E07 tyres fitted today and have done 283kms and they feel good so far.
The bike had just ticked over to 47,000km at the time of fitting the new tyres.
Took a trip around the block over the Te Akatarawa - Blackforest, return via Hakataramea last night, just to scrub them in.(172km)
With a bit of luck I should be able to get away to the Vincent rally, via Dansey Pass, Moa Creek and Raggedy Range roads, which just drops you nicely into Galloway and the rally site. Cheers John.

Hi John,

Would love to catch up for a ride sometime, that Te Akatarawa block sounds just the ticket.

Anyway, just replaced rear Tyre on the current KLR on Saturday, the original Dunlop being TOTALLY trashed ( and in a slightly illegal state ) by 6400kms. Don at Cycletreads reccomended a Bridgestone TW42 and I've only done about 500km on it so far, all seal and already showing more centre wear than I would have expected, but grips VERY well cornering on seal ( still have the original Dunlop on the front ). Have a shingle / farm track ride tomorrow ( see under Waitangi Day wanderings ) so will check out it's shingle abilities then.....:scooter:

far queue
5th February 2007, 16:43
Excellent.
E07's are going on the DR as soon as possible.
Who is the NZ importer?
The importer of Mitas tyres into NZ is Lawnmower Services in Palmerston North, and the guy to talk there is Robin. You can ring him on 06 358 6275 or email him on lawnmower@clear.net.nz

PLUG
5th February 2007, 18:04
The importer of Mitas tyres into NZ is Lawnmower Services in Palmerston North

that explains the shit service ... buyin bike tyres from a mowa shop

Ruralman
5th February 2007, 19:42
that explains the shit service ... buyin bike tyres from a mowa shop

I'm waiting on an EO8 front - again theres a delay with a container just arriving etc etc, hopefully I'll get it for fitting on Friday otherwise I think I'll be OK to do the big Sth Island Passes ride on my current tyre - just would have felt better with a new one, especially if we get into some greasy shit somewhere.

I wanted to put an EO8 on the rear a couple of months ago as well but the delays were too long, again waiting for a container of new stock, and I ended up putting on a Pirelli that cost about 3 times as much.
My bike shop dealer reckons the importer is actually pretty good to deal with and that this has just been a succession of bad luck/timing on my part. Maybe the advertising on here has generated too many sales for the quantity he has imported??!!
The tyres did turn up after I had fitted the Pirelli - they certainly look the part and I am keen to try them. I should have bought those ones and put them in the shed rather than sending them back!

PLUG
5th February 2007, 20:31
I'm waiting on an EO8 front - again theres a delay with a container just arriving etc etc, hopefully I'll get it for fitting on Friday otherwise I think I'll be OK to do the big Sth Island Passes ride on my current tyre - just would have felt better with a new one, especially if we get into some greasy shit somewhere.

I wanted to put an EO8 on the rear a couple of months ago as well but the delays were too long, again waiting for a container of new stock, and I ended up putting on a Pirelli that cost about 3 times as much.
My bike shop dealer reckons the importer is actually pretty good to deal with and that this has just been a succession of bad luck/timing on my part. Maybe the advertising on here has generated too many sales for the quantity he has imported??!!
The tyres did turn up after I had fitted the Pirelli - they certainly look the part and I am keen to try them. I should have bought those ones and put them in the shed rather than sending them back!

again ... shit service ... I've had the same BS story 2 years ago ... as long as the moaman is the importer, the shit level of service will continue ...

NordieBoy
5th February 2007, 21:17
Local Cycletreads has a new e07 rear ($144) and a part worn front ($free).
Going on on Wed :D

oldrider
5th February 2007, 21:39
again ... shit service ... I've had the same BS story 2 years ago ... as long as the moaman is the importer, the shit level of service will continue ...

Jeez Pluggy, you sound a bit stressed, the objective is get a satisfactory supply of suitable tyres for our kind of biking needs at the right price!

Lets not shoot the messenger! (or agent)

I had some difficulty getting retailers to buy in the tyres for me, have you had some bad experiences with the MoaMan (Robin) that you have not told us about?

I have found him to be very helpful and obliging.

Have you given up smoking or something Pete? :shit: Cheers John.

far queue
5th February 2007, 21:51
again ... shit service ... I've had the same BS story 2 years ago ... as long as the moaman is the importer, the shit level of service will continue ...I've spoken to him a couple of times and found him to be a nice guy and very helpful. The problems in the past, that I'm aware of, were beyond his control, he can't make the boat come in any sooner.


Jeez Pluggy, you sound a bit stressed ... Lets not shoot the messenger! (or agent) ... have you had some bad experiences with the MoaMan (Robin) that you have not told us about? ...

Have you given up smoking or something Pete? :shit: Cheers John.Wassup Plug? Rag week? or have you got some facts we don't know?

PLUG
5th February 2007, 22:08
Jeez Pluggy, you sound a bit stressed, the objective is get a satisfactory supply of suitable tyres for our kind of biking needs at the right price!

Lets not shoot the messenger! (or agent)

I had some difficulty getting retailers to buy in the tyres for me, have you had some bad experiences with the MoaMan (Robin) that you have not told us about?

I have found him to be very helpful and obliging.

Have you given up smoking or something Pete? :shit: Cheers John.



LOL there OR ... not trying to shoot anyone ...

... it's just a reoccuring theme from the representatives of this brand ... up until today i wasn't aware of who the importer was, but i do know their level of service is shit ... the mowerman now gives this business a face & explaines all for me ...

PLUG
5th February 2007, 22:15
I've spoken to him a couple of times and found him to be a nice guy and very helpful. The problems in the past, that I'm aware of, were beyond his control, he can't make the boat come in any sooner.

Wassup Plug? Rag week? or have you got some facts we don't know?

GOOD FISHIN TONITE ... bagged two

PLUG
5th February 2007, 22:35
Mitas range of tyres have recieved alot of positive feed back here ... along with mention of the level of product support from it's importer/distributor ... the reoccuring theme is that they don't have them when you want them ... this could be because he's a moaman & doesn't have the $/time to support the agency he has obtained ... now if this agency was in the hands of Forbes & Davey or Darbis or Northern Accessories or any repertable importer/distributor to the motorcycle industry this reoccuring delivery problem this nice helpful man has will in all likely hood dissapare

I your happy, not to have your preferred brand of tyre available when you want it, thats all that matters.

I've found other brands, whos level of performance is just as good, & they are available when i want them ...

..."thats all i got to say about that"... Forrest Gump

far queue
6th February 2007, 08:45
My bike shop dealer reckons the importer is actually pretty good to deal with and that this has just been a succession of bad luck/timing on my part. Maybe the advertising on here has generated too many sales for the quantity he has imported??!!
... the reoccuring theme is that they don't have them when you want them ... this could be because he's a moaman & doesn't have the $/time to support the agency he has obtained ... I understand that the guy brings in tyres for the speedway fraternity as well as the Mitas tyres for the rest of us. I assume he's one of those shops that does a bit of everything, and as well as having some bad luck with shipments has perhaps become a bit overwhelmed with demand as Ruralman suggested. I know that there was a guy in Oz who couldn't find a supplier over there at all, Robin said he was happy to supply tyres to them, so I posted his contact details on ADVrider and as far as I know the guy in Oz got his tyre. So, maybe there's been further demand in that area too? Dunno, just speculating.

What ever the reasons, I agree with the frustrations that are being caused, although I haven't needed a new tyre yet. I am getting low on tread, so maybe I'll get my order in now.

oldrider
6th February 2007, 09:11
Mitas range of tyres have recieved alot of positive feed back here ... along with mention of the level of product support from it's importer/distributor ... the reoccuring theme is that they don't have them when you want them ... this could be because he's a moaman & doesn't have the $/time to support the agency he has obtained ... now if this agency was in the hands of Forbes & Davey or Darbis or Northern Accessories or any repertable importer/distributor to the motorcycle industry this reoccuring delivery problem this nice helpful man has will in all likely hood dissapare

You may well be right but they (the big suppliers) need competition and we need alternative brands or the people you refer to just dictate to us and shaft us for our $$$$

Maybe we need the MoaMan more than he needs us! :yes: Cheers John.

NordieBoy
7th February 2007, 19:44
Did I say that the shop put the front one on back to front! funny thing is it seems to be doing the business OK but will turn it around as soon as I can.

Back to front?
They didn't check the side direction arrow? :nono:

oldrider
8th February 2007, 13:00
Back to front?
They didn't check the side direction arrow? :nono:

Neither did I until I got home! Even naughtier by my standards. :doh:

I don't usually surrender my life into someone else's hands that easily. :nono:

It hasn't caused any handling problems, it will be interesting to see what it is like when I change it back! :rolleyes: John.

NordieBoy
8th February 2007, 16:54
Neither did I until I got home! Even naughtier by my standards. :doh:

I don't usually surrender my life into someone else's hands that easily. :nono:

It hasn't caused any handling problems, it will be interesting to see what it is like when I change it back! :rolleyes: John.

You gotta admit it does look better with the front on backwards though.
Looks weird with the back V's pointing forward and the front pointing back.

Horney1
8th February 2007, 19:09
I'm just getting to the end of a set of

SCORPION MT 90 A/T, 150/70R18 M/CTL 70V Rear
and a
SCORPION MT 90 A/T, 90/90-21M/CTL 54V Front

on my KTM990.

I squared off the rear big time loaded up on a return trip from Melbourne to Perth (8000km). Most of the trip was on the seal and I had absolutely no worries with them. But I did also clock up 200km of a sandy dirt highway along the way and wished I had a more grip in the front during those relatively high speed deep sand sections! But they saw me through without a spill.

I'm still commuting about 90km a day at speed through heavy traffic on them. They're startin to get a bit slippery though! I've powerslid them and pulled stoppies no worries (ABS has helped in the dry in a couple of traffic "situations"). They've got a bit of bite in the gravel but it's a heavy and tall bike so I'm always a bit cautious in the tight loose stuff. Again, the front is the worry (quite nice in a good radius cornered slid though - hehe). Being v-rated is handy to, I don't have too much choice in the sizing for my bike so I'll be inteested to have a good read of what everyones had to say here. I just had a quick scan through the thread and jotted down a few notes before heading off home....

Cheers from Aus.

Wolf
8th February 2007, 21:41
Cheers, Horney1, I am running Scorpion MT90 A/Ts front and rear and it's nice to read what to expect after putting them through a decent run or two.

Horney1
9th February 2007, 11:47
Cheers, Horney1, I am running Scorpion MT90 A/Ts front and rear and it's nice to read what to expect after putting them through a decent run or two.

No worries Wolf. Have fun out there... What's the dry weight of your bike? It'd be fairly similar to mine I guess - 200kg?? I was running about 40-42 /36psi loaded on that long run. Normally 38/36, & drop 'em to around the 28 - 32 mark for the dirt. Problem around here is pumping them up again when you're a hundred ks from a compressor - it's hard work in this heat with a hand pump! (I must get a CO2 setup, haha). So I sometimes just leave them at sealed road pressures and take it a bit easier but it's probably worth taking a bit out of at least the front on gravel, I reckon.

Cheers

NordieBoy
9th February 2007, 19:58
Local Cycletreads has a new e07 rear ($144) and a part worn front ($free).
Going on on Wed :D

I like them so far.
Took them (Or they took me) through the Maungatapu today.
Definatly more stable in the gravel.
Will see how it does seal tomorrow over to Takakakaka.

Wolf
9th February 2007, 20:12
What's the dry weight of your bike? It'd be fairly similar to mine I guess - 200kg??
Try 238lb - around 108kg. Tis only a little thing - which makes it great around town, racing up hills and off road despite the 223cc engine.

NordieBoy
11th February 2007, 11:26
Well I am amazed about the levels of grip the E-07's give on the seal.

25psi front.
30psi rear.

The side knobs squash together under hard cornering but thinking about it and looking at the tyres now with the size of the knobs and the gaps, they shouldn't hold on so well :Punk:

I didn't think I was leaning all that far over.

oldrider
12th February 2007, 09:09
Well I am amazed about the levels of grip the E-07's give on the seal.

25psi front.
30psi rear.

The side knobs squash together under hard cornering but thinking about it and looking at the tyres now with the size of the knobs and the gaps, they shouldn't hold on so well :Punk:

I didn't think I was leaning all that far over.

Got the same result out of my EO7's too, I did not think I was over as far and was surprised when I checked them just after leaving the dusty road and onto the seal for a few twisties.

I was really surprised at the way they hung on but I wonder what it's going to be like when they actually let go!!!!..........:shit:

I was very pleased with their tracking on the dry loose thick gravel and my front tyre is still on back to front!

Wet gravel is always a breeze by comparison.(IMO) Cheers John.

oldrider
13th February 2007, 22:24
Front tyre on the right way round now, can't feel any difference yet but don't think it would really matter until you are in mud or slippery clay type terrain.

I made a wee error of judgement coming home today and had to push them as far as I dare (and some).....life threatening stuff too....... and.....great result!!!!!

I must say that I am impressed with these Mitas EO7 tyres so far! :yes: Cheers John.

clint640
14th February 2007, 11:44
Mmmm... I might have to try one on the back, I'll need to convince the importer to bring in the 130/18" though as it isn't listed here.

Cheers
Clint

dmc
21st February 2007, 20:57
I had Mitas E-07's on my bike when I got it and I was pretty impressed, have just swapped them out with E-09's tho and gota say they are great,

Transalper
21st February 2007, 21:50
Agreed, i went from E07 to E09 on the Transalp and have a lot more confidence in the E09 in all conditions especially when the going gets rough. The only drawback is the E09 doesn't last as long. The E09 is even pretty good on wet blacktop... for a knobbly.

warewolf
22nd February 2007, 09:04
Went shopping for another rear tyre in a 140/80-18, what fun...not.

Wanted to try the Dunlop D606 130/90-18, as it is highly rated on advrider, but it's not brought into the country. The 120/90-18 is available but too small.

OK, try a cheap option, Maxxis M6006 140/80-18. Not brought into the country. The 130/80-18 is listed but no stock in the country, and it's too small.

Not much else about in a 140/80-18 or 130/90-18. The Mitas either aren't made or aren't available in that size. Most of the cheap lines don't do them, there are a couple of highly-rated Michelins made (Baja and Desert) but I haven't inquired about availability as their price is typically high... maybe next time. There is the TKC80 140/80-18, but they're expensive rubbish.

So I have a choice of a Pirelli MT21 Rallycross 140/80-18, or a Pirelli MT21 Rallycross 140/80-18... any tyre you want, as long as it is a Pirelli MT21 Rallycross!!! Lucky I rate them as at least 'acceptable' in terms of performance/longevity/dollars.

oldrider
24th February 2007, 20:45
Well I realise that a lot of tyres are very bike specific but I really do like the Mitas EO7's on my TransAlp, I really am starting to get confidence in them.

Every test so far they surprise me and now I go and sell the T/A for a bike I can't get them for so here we go again doing the learn and search for the perfect tyres, damn!

Transalper says he has had good distance out of the EO7's, I was keen to see how mine would have lasted but won't get that now.

The new Tiger is equipped with Michelin Anakeis,(sp) I think from memory they look a bit like a Tourance or the Mitas EO8 so they should be OK on the seal.

Oh well, here we go again. :confused: John.

topher
25th February 2007, 08:25
I've just replaced my Tiger with a R1100GS. Not sure yet if that was a good move. On the Tiger I ran all of Pirelli Scorpians, MetzlerTourance and Michelin Anakee. Having ridden each from new to well worn I found the Pirelli best on both wet and dry seal, the tourances gave best mileage (2.5 times!) and good handling. The Anakees were great on dry seal but not so positive wet. None were much good on gravel but with the 90%(+) road oriented pattern weren't expected to be. If you ride hard, and the Tiger loves that, the Pirellis are the go. Metzlers give the best $ value. Something nice about the Michies? They look best! Of course the same tyres may work differently on other bikes with different dynamics...

Horney1
6th March 2007, 19:42
I've just replaced my Tiger with a R1100GS. Not sure yet if that was a good move. On the Tiger I ran all of Pirelli Scorpians, MetzlerTourance and Michelin Anakee. Having ridden each from new to well worn I found the Pirelli best on both wet and dry seal, the tourances gave best mileage (2.5 times!) and good handling. The Anakees were great on dry seal but not so positive wet. None were much good on gravel but with the 90%(+) road oriented pattern weren't expected to be. If you ride hard, and the Tiger loves that, the Pirellis are the go. Metzlers give the best $ value. Something nice about the Michies? They look best! Of course the same tyres may work differently on other bikes with different dynamics...

I took a few pics of my Scorpions for another reason but this front has about 10,000 - 11,000 ks on it (reason not sure is I swapped it to go to Perth over Christmas then put it back on afterwards). They've done mostly road work with some dirt.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s202/KBHorney1/DSCF1735.jpg

Does anything from this:

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s202/KBHorney1/DSCF1579.jpg

to this:

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s202/KBHorney1/DSCF1661.jpg
and this
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s202/KBHorney1/DSCF1561.jpg
(another near overshoot - must watch that trigger!)

with a little poo thrown in on this overshoot!!
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s202/KBHorney1/002.jpg
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s202/KBHorney1/003.jpg
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s202/KBHorney1/006.jpg
Admittedly, I was going a mite quickish and was distracted by a car I had just passed & I think I was more watching the treeline for road direction clues instead of the signs! Well cheap lesson for me (& quite a few others by the look of the marks on the road)!

Anyway, the Pirellis work! I thought I'd throw in these Aussie pics to show there are corners over here.

C

Skyrich
20th March 2007, 21:41
I had a set of Metzeler Tourances on my 1200GS - got 1200km out of the set. Replaced with TKZ80s for a trip down south - they were a lot more stable offroad and I had a lot more confidence on the bike. Got 7000km on the set (2 up, fully luggage). I have replaced them with another set as I prefer them offroad to the Metzelers.

Cheers
Rich

terbang
27th March 2007, 10:10
I see my Navigator has an 'Avon Distanzia' on the rear. Anyone have any views on them?

rick27
18th April 2007, 13:54
I reckon ya can't go past Dunlop 606 front and rear!

Zukin
30th April 2007, 21:00
Howdy

I recently put on a T63 tyre onto the rear of my DRZ.
What can I say!!

Brilliant

It is good on the road, not to noisey, and seems to hold the road well (even though the bike is underpowered), on the gravel it is fantastic, it works really good, again holding on, but will slide when you want it to :yes:
It was really good in the deep loose gravel, to me it seemed better than the MT21 on the loose gravel.

In the mud it performed well, getting me out of trouble on the odd occasion.

I havent tried it on the dry gravel yet, as it was wet when I put it on.

I also hope to get more than the 3500km out of the MT21, all for $125 cheaper than the MT21 too!

You can read about them and see the pattern here (http://two-wheels.michelin.com/2w/front/affich.jsp?codeRubrique=2092004112903&codePage=2092004112903_09092004174612&lang=EN)

Cheers Scott

NordieBoy
1st May 2007, 08:14
I also hope to get more than the 3500km out of the MT21, all for $125 cheaper than the MT21 too!

You can read about them and see the pattern here (http://two-wheels.michelin.com/2w/front/affich.jsp?codeRubrique=2092004112903&codePage=2092004112903_09092004174612&lang=EN)

Cheers Scott

Looks very similar to the Mitas E-09.
But probably more available :D

warewolf
1st May 2007, 13:06
all for $125 cheaper than the MT21 too!You must've got ripped off for the MT21, or the T63 at a super-special price. RRP for the T63 is higher.

I'd try some of them, but they don't make them in sizes for 640. At least they offer Deserts and Bajas in the big size.

Ronnie
1st May 2007, 16:25
ive got mitas tires on my f650 and they are great on tar seal and on gravel.

NordieBoy
1st May 2007, 19:06
Which model Mitas?

clint640
2nd May 2007, 10:32
You must've got ripped off for the MT21, or the T63 at a super-special price. RRP for the T63 is higher.

I'd try some of them, but they don't make them in sizes for 640. At least they offer Deserts and Bajas in the big size.

Hell yeah, I thought MT21's were around $160? So how much were the T63s & where did ya get em?

There is a 130-80-18 T63 listed which is std fitment for a 640, of course whether you can get them here is another story...

New tyre time for me at the mo, I think I'll stick with the TKC80 front, MT70 rear combo.

Cheers
Clint

Zukin
2nd May 2007, 12:30
Hell yeah, I thought MT21's were around $160? So how much were the T63s & where did ya get em?

There is a 130-80-18 T63 listed which is std fitment for a 640, of course whether you can get them here is another story...

New tyre time for me at the mo, I think I'll stick with the TKC80 front, MT70 rear combo.

Cheers
Clint

I borught the T63 for $125 and the MT21 from memory cost me about $140 :mellow:

There are some 130-80-18's in stock at a shop in Napier with a retail price of $94 :shit:
Damn they didnt have a 120-80-18 in stock, they had to get it in for me

Cheers Scott

warewolf
2nd May 2007, 14:21
There is a 130-80-18 T63 listed which is std fitment for a 640Ah, should have been more specific. The 640 Adventure takes a 140/80-18, equivalent of about a 5.60-18. The 640 Enduro takes the 130/80-18, which is about 5.10-18.

One of these days I will have to check the differences in geometry and gearing between the two bikes, as reconfiguring my bike to suit the smaller tyre size may be worthwhile. When I ran the Kenda K270 5.10-18 it shortened the gearing way too much, the bike was revving its tits off. Handling-wise was a moot point because the K270 walked badly and slid everywhere.

Probably will try either the Michelin Baja (http://two-wheels.michelin.com/2w/front/affich.jsp?codeRubrique=2092004112852&codePage=2092004112852_09092004173719&lang=EN) or Desert (http://two-wheels.michelin.com/2w/front/affich.jsp?codeRubrique=2092004112852&codePage=2092004112852_09092004172723&lang=EN) first, since I hear good things about them. Leading up to events like the Aussie Safari they can be hard to get, as the racers snap them up. The Desert looks very much like a T63 so maybe they decided not to overlap the sizes?

I also happen to have one of these (http://two-wheels.michelin.com/2w/front/affich.jsp?codeRubrique=2092004112844&codePage=2092004112844_09092004170838&lang=EN) sitting in the garage, in case I want to play in the snot.:Punk:

warewolf
2nd May 2007, 14:40
I borught the T63 for $125 and the MT21 from memory cost me about $140 :mellow: That's just a tad different to what you wrote before:
all for $125 cheaper than the MT21 too!unless we mis-read that? $15 cheaper is a bit more realistic than $125 cheaper... but would not be refused! :love:

clint640
2nd May 2007, 15:19
Ah, should have been more specific. The 640 Adventure takes a 140/80-18, equivalent of about a 5.60-18. The 640 Enduro takes the 130/80-18, which is about 5.10-18.

One of these days I will have to check the differences in geometry and gearing between the two bikes,

I don't think that there is any difference. The adv probably got specced with the fatter rubber cos they're a bit more porky & more likely to be used loaded up.

I've run a 140 MT90 with good results, but they're a little too 'road' for me, & my 'roadrace' tyres are 140 BT45 bridgestones. I'd fit a 140 wide MT70 if they existed.

The width difference between 2 140s of different brands or models could easily be as much as the step between a 130 & a 140 of the same type from what I've seen of actual vs quoted tyre sizes anyway...

Cheers
Clint

Wolf
2nd May 2007, 15:23
That's just a tad different to what you wrote before:unless we mis-read that? $15 cheaper is a bit more realistic than $125 cheaper... but would not be refused! :love:
Looking at his post, I think he omitted an all-important comma or a hyphen:

"all for $125, cheaper than the MT21 too!"

"all for $125 - cheaper than the MT21 too!"

could really do with a comma after MT21, as well - but that wouldn't have affected our comprehension of the sentence.

Zukin
2nd May 2007, 17:15
Looking at his post, I think he omitted an all-important comma or a hyphen:

"all for $125, cheaper than the MT21 too!"

"all for $125 - cheaper than the MT21 too!"

could really do with a comma after MT21, as well - but that wouldn't have affected our comprehension of the sentence.

Bling to that man
You were right, it should of had a comma there:confused:
I was wondering why you guys thought that!!!
Now I know :laugh:

Wolf
2nd May 2007, 18:12
Bling to that man
You were right, it should of had a comma there:confused:
I was wondering why you guys thought that!!!
Now I know :laugh:
Ach well, you've still got your job and at no horrendous cost to anyone.

I recall a story (apparently true) about a guy sent to purchase on behalf of his employer, spoke with the seller and wired the price back to his boss and got back "NO PRICE TOO HIGH" so went ahead with the purchase.

Regrettably, the telegram should have read: "NO STOP PRICE TOO HIGH"

That missing full stop completely changed the meaning 180 degrees and cost one person a lot of money and the unfortunate telegraph operator was at risk of losing his job. Don't recall for sure if he lost it or just got torn a whole new arsehole (or "asshole", considering this was in the States).

warewolf
2nd May 2007, 19:04
I don't think that there is any difference. The adv probably got specced with the fatter rubber cos they're a bit more porky & more likely to be used loaded up.I expect so. The Adventure runs 2.15x21 front rim, and 2.50x18 rear. I know your front is a 1.60x21, is the rear a 2.50x18? The primary transmission ratio and steering angle are the same, if my data is correct.


The width difference between 2 140s of different brands or models could easily be as much as the step between a 130 & a 140 of the same type from what I've seen of actual vs quoted tyre sizes anyway...You're right. Usually the spec figure I look for is the overall diameter; often 690mm for the 140/80-18 and 674mm for the 130/80-18. My experience with the K270 was enough to put me off trying others for a while.:sick:

windboy
3rd May 2007, 19:58
Howdy

I recently put on a T63 tyre onto the rear of my DRZ.
What can I say!!

Brilliant


Who's the Michelin rep in AKL?

Zukin
3rd May 2007, 20:07
Who's the Michelin rep in AKL?

Not me, is it you, then send me another T63 for giving it such a good rap :yes:

windboy
3rd May 2007, 21:40
righto, it's cycletreads... never noticed :wacko:

oldrider
7th May 2007, 21:37
God damn it I was checking the tyres on the tiger this morning and thought to self, shit that back tyre is wearing down bloody fast!

Checked the odo, 4163 miles (round about 7000km?)

I suppose all this "most suitable tyre" seeking business is about to start all over again now!

I was very pleased with the Mitas EO7's on the TransAlp but cannot get them for the Tiger, damn it. (the price was good too)

I think I will be looking for Pirelli "Scorpions" for the Tiger first up replacement, the Duck_01 has had a good run with them.

Are there any other brands available for Tigers? Choice looks a bit slim! :mellow: John.

NordieBoy
8th May 2007, 09:55
What's the wheel sizes John?

windboy
8th May 2007, 10:58
So... sounds like the rear T63 rips...

Anybody had experience with the front T63?

oldrider
8th May 2007, 11:07
What's the wheel sizes John?

150/70 R 17 and 110/80 R 19

The Tiger is currently wearing Michelin Anakees, they are OK but I don't really know them well yet. :mellow: John.

Catweazle
9th May 2007, 19:42
Those tyres sizes are the same as my Varadero. I am currently finishing out a set of old Michelin T66's and have a set of new Metzler Tourance in the garage ready to go on. The Metzlers are more expensive but apparently last longer than other tyres. At http://www.varaderoforum.com there is a tyre poll on Varadero (i.e. big adventure bike) tyres and the Anakee and Tourance are the highest rated. There is lots of discussion by bike riders about the merits of all the various adventure bike tyres.

Ronnie
10th May 2007, 06:29
Which model Mitas?

Mitas E07.

NordieBoy
10th May 2007, 09:25
I like the E07's very much but actually getting some is proving to be a lengthy process :D

NordieBoy
17th May 2007, 16:56
Well my IRC GP21F 90x90x21 front is wearing very well.
The center knobs still have about 8mm sides on them and they grip on the road fine and seem to be good in gravel too.

This pic is after 3000km inc a trip to ChCh and back on the seal.
The nipples are still visible.

The E07 front has more road grip but for my needs the IRC is great - and available - and cheap.

windboy
17th May 2007, 17:23
This pic is after 3000km inc a trip to ChCh and back on the seal.
The nipples are still visible.

I'm trying to checkout her nipples on the photos but I'm having no joy...:shifty:

tri boy
21st May 2007, 13:37
I'm not far from replacing the Bridgestone Trailwings on the 06 Scrambler.
I think that the Tkc80 may be a good option, also the E-07.
205kg, 60/40 road biased, Mainly gravel of all varying grades. Any thoughts?
100/90x19------130/80x17.:mellow:

george formby
14th June 2007, 23:41
On the subject of tyres.. I have pirelli scorpions on my crm & will never find the edge on tarmac, great in the wet too. They are standard on multistradas, ducati hypersports & the ktm super duke thingy. Any thoughts on how they would go on my tdm? If anybody has advise on importing bikes from the uk to nz I would be glad to here it. I'm a bit thick, how do you post a question? p.s. The tt was unbelievable, Anstey & Harris must be bonkers.

warewolf
15th June 2007, 19:53
I have pirelli scorpions on my crm & will never find the edge on tarmac, great in the wet too. They are standard on multistradas, ducati hypersports & the ktm super duke thingy.Which Scorpion would that be then:

Scorpion Sync (http://www.pirellityre.com/web/catalog/moto/moto_catalogo_schedaDescription.page?categoria=/catalog/moto/street/sport_tou_radial&vehicleType=MOTO&product_id=1651&uri=/pirellityre/en_IT/browser/xml/catalog/moto/MOTO_MV_SCORPIONSYNC_HYP.xml)
<img src=http://www.pirellityre.com/en_IT/browser/attachments/images/MOTO%20catalog_long/img_scorpionsync.jpg>

Scorpion MT90 S/T (http://www.pirellityre.com/web/catalog/moto/moto_catalogo_schedaDescription.page?categoria=sty le-2&vehicleType=MOTO&product_id=1900&uri=/pirellityre/en_IT/browser/xml/catalog/moto/MOTO_MV90STSCORPION.xml&menu_item=/motorcycle/entertainment/riding-experience/riding-style-2)
<img src="http://www.pirellityre.com/en_IT/browser/attachments/images/MOTO%20catalog_long/img_scorpionmt90st.jpg">

Scorpion MT90 A/T (http://www.pirellityre.com/web/catalog/moto/moto_catalogo_schedaDescription.page?categoria=/catalog/moto/on_off_road/enduro_on_off&vehicleType=MOTO&product_id=1836&uri=/pirellityre/en_IT/browser/xml/catalog/moto/MOTO_MV_SCORP_MT90AT.xml)
<img src="http://www.pirellityre.com/en_IT/browser/attachments/images/MOTO%20catalog_long/img_scorpion%20mt90at.jpg">

Scorpion PRO (http://www.pirellityre.com/web/catalog/moto/moto_catalogo_schedaDescription.page?categoria=/catalog/moto/on_off_road/enduro_competition&vehicleType=MOTO&product_id=1803&uri=/pirellityre/en_IT/browser/xml/catalog/moto/MOTO_MV_SCORPIONPRO_ROA.xml)
<img src="http://www.pirellityre.com/en_IT/browser/attachments/images/MOTO%20catalog_long/img_scorpionpro.jpg">

All of which are, ahem, significantly different tyres, targeting different types of bike and rim sizes.

warewolf
15th June 2007, 20:00
how do you post a question?Go to the appropriate forum, at the top is a button, "New Thread". Each topic/question is called a thread.

Have a look in the Site Stuff (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=28) forum, there may be useful info in there. I haven't read much in there, anyone else knows better, please speak up.:yes:

tri boy
21st June 2007, 17:36
OK, I've decided I will try a Metz Enduro 3(sahara) on the rear. Unfortunately I can't get a 19'' front, so I'm still at loss for a front. (can get a Metz Karoo T 110/80, but would like a 100/90, woh is me:crybaby: ).
At lest the wider blocks may help to slow the fat beast on gravel (slow in fast out).
We shall see. Has anyone noticed the lack of stock, tyre wise in NZ.:mad:
Aussie seem to be awash with choices. OK, Rant over.

Transalper
21st June 2007, 18:50
so what do they cost?

windboy
21st June 2007, 18:55
Hey Triboy what's happening?

A mate of mine has been on the hunt for those saharas for his dakar, he hasn't been able to find them. Where did you get those rears?

I hear you about the 19" front, I keep hearing there are not that many options out there for on/off. Maybe give cycletreads a call and check what they got...?

later,

tri boy
24th June 2007, 12:38
Hamilton m/cycles had one Sahara on the rack. Managed to get it for $185, which was very nice of them.:yes:
As for the front, they had a 100/80 TKC front, but I think I will try to stay on the original profiles for a while.(100/90). Thinking about either a Metz Karoo, for a bit more bite, or getting the grooving tool off a mate and slightly opening the the Trailwing block gaps.

warewolf
24th June 2007, 23:04
OK, I've decided I will try a Metz Enduro 3(sahara) on the rear. Unfortunately I can't get a 19'' front, so I'm still at loss for a front. (can get a Metz Karoo T 110/80, but would like a 100/90, woh is me:crybaby: ).
At lest the wider blocks may help to slow the fat beast on gravel (slow in fast out).The Saharas aren't a bad tyre, years ago they were reputed to be the tyre of choice for many RTW riders. Kinda expensive though not as bad as the TKC80s. Original equipment on the Adventure. Didn't rate them in the loose stuff at all, TKC80s are much better (but MT21s better again, and cheaper).

Re: the sizing, you may find that matching the model of the rear tyre but varying the profile a little from 100/90 may well be a better combo than the other way 'round.


Has anyone noticed the lack of stock, tyre wise in NZ.:mad:
Aussie seem to be awash with choices.All the time! Although Cycletreads in Nelson seem to do pretty well.

tri boy
25th June 2007, 13:44
Thanks for the imput warewolf.
I will be fitting a TKC 110/80 ($190 old stock).
Was informed that Metz distributors are expecting Karoos in NZ in about 5weeks.
So will get a 100/90 for future fitment. This is more a tyre experiment for the Scrambler, so each tyre is being changed at 50% wear, thus giving me some back up if a choice I make is a total clanger.
Havn't heard back from the Mitas bloke, so no money for him.:nono: A little bit of customer support goes a long way with me.:yes:

XF650
25th June 2007, 15:49
Re Mitas - last I heard the next shipment is still weeks away - I'm waiting for EO7 100/90 19" front

NordieBoy
25th June 2007, 19:19
Re Mitas - last I heard the next shipment is still weeks away - I'm waiting for EO7 100/90 19" front

I've been waiting for 3 months now.
But...
I do like the IRC GP21 front.
The E07 is better on the road but the IRC is fine on road and better off.

tri boy
26th June 2007, 13:45
Yay, Got both tyres on the scrambler. So this will be interesting to watch wear rates etc. For the record: Rear has a Metz 130/80-17, 9.mm lug height. Front is a Conti TKC80 110/80-19 (slightly wider than the std 100/90).
First Impression is that the front holds its line on gravel under power with the arse hanging out:Punk: Very confidence inspiring. No real comment on the rear as yet.
I gave it a bit of a strop in the back section on very wet grass. Quite low speed turns were very stable, but under power it started to get a bit restless.
Even though I brake cleaned the slimey surface, and scuffed the lugs with emery paper, I will be a bit of a nanna until they have got some KMs under them.
Fitted at 5000km, so I can monitor wear.
Oh, the mudguard extension does a good job keeping crap out of the cooler.

windboy
26th June 2007, 20:36
looking very styley triboy, should hold well in the gravel too.

Do you mind me asking how much for the front tkc?

Also, have you decided if you're heading down with us?

later,

tri boy
27th June 2007, 12:03
looking very styley triboy, should hold well in the gravel too.

Do you mind me asking how much for the front tkc?

Also, have you decided if you're heading down with us?

later,

TKC was $190 ex H/mcycles. It was on the shelf, so it may be a bit cheaper than usual buy in prices, although Road and Sport said they could get themfor about $190-200, but i don't think it would of arrived in time.
Certainly attending the Whanga ride.:Punk:
If the weather is fine on Fri I will meet you guys at Kauri flat like last time. Otherwise I will see you in Raglan, hiding out of any weather I will PM Crisis and yourself to confirm mobile # tonight.:yes:

ZReX12
29th June 2007, 20:09
I've done 3k on the TKC 80's on my GS, 110/19 front and 140/17 on the back. They work very very well, wear rate is about the same as the bridgestones but performance on every surface is way way better.
Went for an oversized rear, I wa a bit apprehensive for a bit, but no drama's at all. And it looks a lot better with fatter rubber on the rear

tri boy
2nd July 2007, 09:41
After a rather wet/slushy Adventure Assult run this w/end gone, I am very impressed with the tyre combination on the scrambler.
I'm still being quite cautious with the TKC on the front, but it has given a safe run so far. Off seal? Bloody marvelous.:yes: There is no way I could of stayed with the main bunch on the standard suspension/trailwing hoops.
Thumbs up.:2thumbsup

ZReX12
2nd July 2007, 20:25
Good luck trying to get that front TKC to scare ya on the seal. If you can then ya probably really deep in the shit ayway and nothings going to save ya.

Crisis management
6th July 2007, 09:52
I replaced the bridgestone knobs with TKC's both ends and man, what a difference! The front feels planted off road and far more controlable while the rear again has more bite, mind you, the rear wasn't exactly full of tread previously. The rear brakes well and is controlable when sliding while the front is very hard to break out and on the odd occasion when it let go it gripped again quickly. I only had one occasion when they both let go on the Whangamomona ride (1100km, 50% gravel) and I had to put a foot down, the other times they let go they gripped before I needed a foot down.
So... great in hard pack, gravel, wet & slimy, and light clay conditions.

On road, the back steps out earlier than I would have expected ie. I haven't got to the edge of the tread yet, but again, it slides nicely and will hang out on throttle quite nicely. The front feels good but I have a ways to go to wear those moulding "feelers" off yet. Some of this is due to the DR geometry, it seems hard to get the front tyre right over to its edge.
In the wet both ends feel planted, neither end likes those slick tar patches but again after sliding they hook up without any drama.

Overall, a happy camper, TKCs work for me! :sunny:

denefoster
15th July 2007, 15:04
I just replaced the rear on my DRZ-400 with a Dunlop D908. It's pretty fantastic.. might also help that I went with a 130/90 over the stock 110/100. Still have the TKC-80 on the front as it does pretty well. But highly recommend the D908. Running on the beach, or through wet clay is great, eats gravel like nothin' and will still let me go mono on wet pavement. What more could you ask for?

Mint Sauce
19th July 2007, 13:51
As a complete novice to off road it has been really helpful to read the info in this thread; so thanks to everyone contributing.
I just bought a Japper 2006 Dakar with 7600 km on the clock. The tryres will be on their way to the next life soon and so I am considering what to fit next.
The bike came with Mitchelin Siracs, which I presume with the clock figure are the stock tyre fitted from new. Just based on mountain biking experience these tyres look too road orientated and I get the sense will not handle much off the road except dry well laid forstry track.
The obvious choices appear to be the TKC80, MT70 and T63 but these are all the expensive brands; I liked the look of the Kenda K270 but someone dissed that in an earlier post. Anyone had a positive experience with it? Any Dakar riders have a favourite tyre they would recommend?

warewolf
19th July 2007, 17:34
The obvious choices appear to be the TKC80, MT70 and T63 but these are all the expensive brands; I liked the look of the Kenda K270 but someone dissed that in an earlier post.That would be me, then! :yes: Definitely would not recommend them to a novice rider.

I'm now running an IRC TR-8 (http://www.irc-tire.com/mce/tires/br-99.html#tr-8) front, it is more open than a TKC80 and likely to be a lot cheaper, too. Feels better on the dirt, and I don't find it lacking on the tar. Could be two reasons for the latter: 1) I've only ridden it to/from the Brass Monkey in winter on lots of dirt, and 2) the previous tyre was an FIM-spec knobby. Front grip doesn't seem to be an issue for the Adventure on the tar.
<img src=http://www.irc-tire.com/mce/tires/dual/tr-8/main_01.jpg>

IRC TR-8 (left) - Continental TKC80 (right)
<img src=http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o20/warewolf885/mc/bikes/ktm/lc4/TR8-TKC80.jpg>

Mint Sauce
20th July 2007, 07:21
Thanks Warewolf, just looked at the web site, the IRC TR8 looks just the ticket. Used IRC on the Mountain Bike with some success previously. Hopefully that will save some $$$ comapred to the TKC80.

So the next question. Can anyone local advise a Crusader where he can get his stead reshod with the TRC in the local area? Somewhere that offers good value all round: nice price, get the tyres the right way round, tighten all the nuts and for good service check your chain tension and adjust while there at it! Cycletreads seems to get a few mentions in the thread?

cooneyr
20th July 2007, 08:04
Thanks Warewolf, just looked at the web site, the IRC TR8 looks just the ticket. Used IRC on the Mountain Bike with some success previously. Hopefully that will save some $$$ comapred to the TKC80.

So the next question. Can anyone local advise a Crusader where he can get his stead reshod with the TRC in the local area? Somewhere that offers good value all round: nice price, get the tyres the right way round, tighten all the nuts and for good service check your chain tension and adjust while there at it! Cycletreads seems to get a few mentions in the thread?

Buy the tyre from Pit lane (chch's Cycletreads) and fit it at home yourself. You know it will be done right that way. Good practice for when you are out in the bush :D

Cheers R

Transalper
20th July 2007, 12:40
Also note, you're in NZ now, don't be surprised if some tyres are temporarily out of stock, sometimes it pays to order before you need.

NordieBoy
20th July 2007, 16:36
Also note, you're in NZ now, don't be surprised if some tyres are temporarily out of stock, sometimes it pays to order before you need.

For varying lengths of "temporary".

Mint Sauce
22nd July 2007, 07:24
Hi Warewolf; went into Pit Lane in CHCH yesterday and they told me they had made an enquiry on the IRC TR8 a couple of weeks ago and it was not being brought into NZ. Also said IRC prices were creeping up and that there would not be a lot of dollars difference to the TKC80. Any thoughts??

Couple of general questions to throw out there. I decided to take the advice posted of changing these tyres myself to be more trail ready. I'm looking at my home set up to do this and the first thing that strikes me is that some West German engineer decided that the Dakar should not have a centre stand! Difficult at home, but can be overcome with track stands, but a real challenge presented on the trail. I assume it is left off so as not to snag in off road riding. My thought is to retro fit the centre stand. Any thoughts or experience?

Also any help on where I might get a T40 and T45 allen key or screwdriver bit? The allen keys are missing from the toolkit. Tried Bunnings, Mitre 10, etc.

Wolf
22nd July 2007, 08:10
some West German engineer decided that the Dakar should not have a centre stand! Difficult at home, but can be overcome with track stands, but a real challenge presented on the trail. I assume it is left off so as not to snag in off road riding. My thought is to retro fit the centre stand. Any thoughts or experience?
"Wunderlich" puts out a large range of aftermarket stuff for the BMW, including a centre stand.

http://www.motohansa.com.au/wunderlich_f650.htm

Quite a few other nifty ideas as well as the stand.

Mint Sauce
22nd July 2007, 08:55
Wolf, brilliant, thanks for that site. Do you know if they ship to NZ? Site is not that clear.

mattsdakar
22nd July 2007, 10:06
Also any help on where I might get a T40 and T45 allen key or screwdriver bit? The allen keys are missing from the toolkit. Tried Bunnings, Mitre 10, etc.[/QUOTE]

HI there,

In regard to centre stand I have one fitted on my Dakar, have never had a problem with it getting snagged. I would recommend getting one as great for changing tyres and bike takes up far less room in the garage when sitting upright.
In relation to tools, go to Toolking on Main South Road near Springs Rd, they have good sets or Torax allen keys which I think you will be refering to

Rgds Matt

Big Dave
22nd July 2007, 11:05
Love TKCs on AND off road. Buuuutttttt.....

We stuck them on the Tiger.

Thurs: Fitted new TKCs
Friday: Auckland to Welly
Saturday: Capital Coast
Sunday: Welly to Akl
Monday: get new tyres.

If I could get trail wings for the tractor I would run them.
I think they are the best allrounder.

Oscar
22nd July 2007, 16:24
Love TKCs on AND off road. Buuuutttttt.....

We stuck them on the Tiger.

Thurs: Fitted new TKCs
Friday: Auckland to Welly
Saturday: Capital Coast
Sunday: Welly to Akl
Monday: get new tyres.

If I could get trail wings for the tractor I would run them.
I think they are the best allrounder.

As I found out der hard vay, TKC's are very sensitive to pressure.
If you don't run sufficent pressure in 'em they melt.

NordieBoy
22nd July 2007, 19:20
Which TrailWings?

Transalper
22nd July 2007, 19:30
...If I could get trail wings for the tractor I would run them.
I think they are the best allrounder.


Which TrailWings?

Exactly my thoughts, surely not the Trailwings TW41 and TW42 as supplied stock in several bikes including the DR650. I been down a dirt road a week a go on those tires and my god talk about no traction. Done the same road, same condition on the Dunlop D606, man what a difference

Big Dave
22nd July 2007, 19:36
Which TrailWings?

Don't know the no - The ones on the Triumph Scrambler - I looked on the T site - but not specd - I'd call them an 'intermediate' dual sport..

OK on the road - OK on the dirt. Not fabulous at either, but I find them quite capable. Looked like they will last 6,000.

Big Dave
22nd July 2007, 19:48
As I found out der hard vay, TKC's are very sensitive to pressure.
If you don't run sufficent pressure in 'em they melt.

Publisher's instructions.

Crisis management
22nd July 2007, 20:00
As I found out der hard vay, TKC's are very sensitive to pressure.
If you don't run sufficent pressure in 'em they melt.


Publisher's instructions.

Ok you two, can you be a little less succinct?

I'm interested in your experience with the TKC's but am failing miserably at interpretation of your comments.

Just a couple of sentences, please.....

Big Dave
22nd July 2007, 20:25
Ok you two, can you be a little less succinct?

I'm interested in your experience with the TKC's but am failing miserably at interpretation of your comments.

Just a couple of sentences, please.....

I believe the tyres were inflated in accordance with our Publisher and esteemed expert, the Rt Hon Mr Vege's instructions. The numbers now elude me.

I can make no representation regarding Mr Oscar's inference that incorrect pressures were to blame for the quick demise of said rubber other than that.

Thus the correspondence was a cryptic enquiry via a silent nudge nudge wink wink say no more that the said Publisher may have become privy to this information subsequent to the event.

dontchaknow.


or


Are you saying we didn't have enough air in tyres )&^#@!)^& ?

tri boy
22nd July 2007, 21:02
Are you saying we didn't have enough air in tyres )&^#@!)^& ?

Nah, they're saying......Daves got a fat arse, Daves got a fat arse, Daves got a fat.........:shutup::shake::rofl::bleh:

Big Dave
22nd July 2007, 21:43
Excuse me?
FWIW My arse is about to make a welcome return to the subscriptions page of NZ's favourite motorcycle magazine thank you very very much.

warewolf
22nd July 2007, 22:32
an enquiry on the IRC TR8 a couple of weeks ago and it was not being brought into NZ. Also said IRC prices were creeping up and that there would not be a lot of dollars difference to the TKC80. Any thoughts??I suspect they would have to creep up A LOT to match the Conti... they're the most expensive thing out there pretty much, but your man would know. I haven't liked the TKC80s on a couple of bikes, the 640 included; I like the Pirelli MT21 better, even on the tar; it wins hands-down on the dirt and for value. But there are heaps out there, more so for your bike due to the sizes. Should be quite a few choices amongst the cheaper Asian brands.

One of the issues with the TKC80 is that you have to run them at low pressures to try to get some grip out of them... and that chews them out. Sound familiar?


Also any help on where I might get a T40 and T45 allen key or screwdriver bit?A point on terminology; the T-series bits are Torx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torx) bits, different animal to Allen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hex_key) keys. These days you can get them anywhere.

warewolf
22nd July 2007, 22:40
Excuse me?
FWIW My arse is about to make a welcome returnDo you really want a bunch of blokes to make comments about the state of your arse? This ain' the Blue Oyster Bar ya'know.

Big Dave
22nd July 2007, 22:54
Do you really want a bunch of blokes to make comments about the state of your arse? This ain' the Blue Oyster Bar ya'know.


hey - I didn't start it.

Better than the arse I'm usually talking.

Big Dave
22nd July 2007, 23:03
These things:

Done two adventure rides and a lap of the north island on them. Good all roads tyre.

Oscar
23rd July 2007, 09:05
Ok you two, can you be a little less succinct?

I'm interested in your experience with the TKC's but am failing miserably at interpretation of your comments.

Just a couple of sentences, please.....

Jeez, I've never been accused of being subtle before.
If you want your TKC's to last the the correct pressure for use on seal is critical. IIRC it's 36psi on my 950 (but ask your dealer).

By all means let them down for off-road use (15-20psi), but extended high speed use on low pressure will melt them. This is not Continental specific by the way - I had the same thing happen with Michelins.

NordieBoy
23rd July 2007, 09:07
These things:

Done two adventure rides and a lap of the north island on them. Good all roads tyre.

Standard on the DR.
I didn't mind them at all but I was never pushing the bike hard in wet clay or mud.

Hell I wasn't pushing the bike hard anywhere, I'd only had it a few months.

Oscar
23rd July 2007, 09:08
I suspect they would have to creep up A LOT to match the Conti... they're the most expensive thing out there pretty much, but your man would know. I haven't liked the TKC80s on a couple of bikes, the 640 included; I like the Pirelli MT21 better, even on the tar; it wins hands-down on the dirt and for value. But there are heaps out there, more so for your bike due to the sizes. Should be quite a few choices amongst the cheaper Asian brands.

One of the issues with the TKC80 is that you have to run them at low pressures to try to get some grip out of them... and that chews them out. Sound familiar?

A point on terminology; the T-series bits are Torx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torx) bits, different animal to Allen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hex_key) keys. These days you can get them anywhere.


I like the Pirellis and use 'em on my 640, but I'm not sure they'd be up to the demands of the 950 (particularly on the road). That's why I use TKC's.

tri boy
23rd July 2007, 09:58
I inquired recently about Heidenau (German) motorcycle tyres in NZ. They were available in Aus, and seem like another good option for us. Three replys from different importers. Huh, Ummm, and Duh.
Goodyear NZ had some info on them, but do not plan to get involved.
Tis a frustrating game of hunt and fail sometimes in NZ.:oi-grr:

Dances With Poultry
23rd July 2007, 10:30
I have done 75,000km on my Funduro and 22,000km om my 650GS and have tried all sorts of tyres, but I am sold on Mitas. I get about 30% more life out of a rear than Trailwings and the TKs and I can't believe the grip on the open road. I was fourth out of 11 on the Sports Bike Forum Akaroa GP last year, and was the only single cylinder bike with the rest being fours. Not bad with knobblies eh? They are Czech made, and a popular choice with Round The World riders.
Dirt Action Service 03-389 0080 32 Saxon St Linwood Christchurch are the local agents. Also, they are not expensive, usually about Trailwing price.
Regards

Nigel in Rangiora

warewolf
23rd July 2007, 10:49
I like the Pirellis and use 'em on my 640, but I'm not sure they'd be up to the demands of the 950 (particularly on the road).Yes, the 950 is a bit of a problem for tyres. Have you tried the Dunlop D908 Rally Raid (http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/tirecatalog_tire.asp?id=96)?

<img src=http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/tires/96_2.jpg>

cooneyr
23rd July 2007, 10:49
I have done 75,000km on my Funduro and 22,000km om my 650GS and have tried all sorts of tyres, but I am sold on Mitas. I get about 30% more life out of a rear than Trailwings and the TKs and I can't believe the grip on the open road. I was fourth out of 11 on the Sports Bike Forum Akaroa GP last year, and was the only single cylinder bike with the rest being fours. Not bad with knobblies eh? They are Czech made, and a popular choice with Round The World riders.
Dirt Action Service 03-389 0080 32 Saxon St Linwood Christchurch are the local agents. Also, they are not expensive, usually about Trailwing price.
Regards

Nigel in Rangiora

Which ones? I'm guessing E-07?

Cheers R

Mint Sauce
23rd July 2007, 10:56
Which model? E07?

Big Dave
23rd July 2007, 11:02
Standard on the DR.
I didn't mind them at all but I was never pushing the bike hard in wet clay or mud.

Hell I wasn't pushing the bike hard anywhere, I'd only had it a few months.

Yebbut 'Best at mixing road and off road' is the question.

I clear out on these things on the tar, confident enough to go flat out to get far enough ahead to take the ride-by photos.

They cope with dirt roads quite nicely. They aren't on the pace of the guys with TKCs at all and I drop off the back.

But for the ratio of road to off road that I do on a dual sport bike - an excellent compromise.

Dances With Poultry
23rd July 2007, 11:05
Which ones? I'm guessing E-07?

Cheers R

Yep... here's a link to see the tread type:
http://www.mands.cz/en/products/sort-by-brand/mitas/motorcycle/enduro-trail-tyres/e-07.html

Regards

Nigel in Rangiora

Mint Sauce
23rd July 2007, 11:34
Here is the link from Mitas. Good product description and a 'pop up' for application.

http://www.mitas.cz/index.php?stranka=4&scid=52

E07 appaers to be the 50/50 and by the look of the tread pattern the E09 looks to be closer to the TKC80. Anyone had any experience with the E09; that is if it is available here in NZ?

Oscar
23rd July 2007, 11:44
Yes, the 950 is a bit of a problem for tyres. Have you tried the Dunlop D908 Rally Raid (http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/tirecatalog_tire.asp?id=96)?

<img src=http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/tires/96_2.jpg>

No.
Looks good. Any idea on price?

cooneyr
23rd July 2007, 12:55
E07 appaers to be the 50/50 and by the look of the tread pattern the E09 looks to be closer to the TKC80. Anyone had any experience with the E09; that is if it is available here in NZ?

A few in CHCH have run E-09's. They seem to be like any other knobblie i.e. Dunlop D606 or Michi MT21. Possibly slightly better life but simply but not riding on the road so much (they are knobs after all) makes a significant difference i.e. hard to tell if actually get longer life). Price wise they are similar to the D606 or MT21 (all about $130ish). Dirt Action Service on Saxton Street sell them (when they can get them).

Another cheep 50/50ish tyre is the Shenko R244. Budget sell them for about $85 for a 17inch rear and they are good for about 6000kms. Hard to find pic of but there is one on this thread somewhere. Doh - Post 16 (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=675055&postcount=16)

Cheers R

Dances With Poultry
23rd July 2007, 13:10
I just rang and the E-07 and E-09 are in stock at Dirt Action (see my post above for details), except the E-07 19in front are about 3 weeks away. The main man there uses them on his LC-4 and really rates them. Also LC-8 riders are using them. Reports of 14,000km to a rear are common (I get about 11-12,000km from E-07s, up from the 7-8,000 I was getting out of Trailwings). I had a couple of Dutch brothers stay with me who were getting 22,000km++ but they were travelling at about 75km/hr on DR600s around the world.

Cheers

Nigel in Rangiora

warewolf
23rd July 2007, 15:12
Looks good. Any idea on price?Feedback from Aussie 950 riders is that they are more expensive to buy but last even longer, so are good value. Apparently they have a pretty stiff carcass, to the point that trail-side repairs could be an issue. Borderline too stiff/heavy for 640s (some raved about them, some thought them a bit much) but great for the 950s.

mickeyboy was trialling one on his 950 on the Brass Monkey Adventure (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1080752).

warewolf
23rd July 2007, 15:35
I just rang and the E-07 and E-09 are in stock at Dirt Action (see my post above for details), except the E-07 19in front are about 3 weeks away. The main man there uses them on his LC-4 and really rates them.Interesting, their E-09 130/80-18 is a 'big' one, about halfway between most 130/80s and the 140/80 the LC4 Adventure uses... so might be worth a try.

Reports of 14,000km to a rear are commonComments like that I take with a grain of salt :D The Kenda K270 was reported to go 16,000km on XR600s locally; I got just 4,500km out it, which matched expectations from 'documented' usage. There is not a shitshow in hell that I'll ever get 16,000km out of that tyre, and I have serious doubts that someone can get nigh on four times the life out of it that I can, in roughly similar usage.

NordieBoy
23rd July 2007, 18:15
Yebbut 'Best at mixing road and off road' is the question.

I clear out on these things on the tar, confident enough to go flat out to get far enough ahead to take the ride-by photos.

They cope with dirt roads quite nicely. They aren't on the pace of the guys with TKCs at all and I drop off the back.

But for the ratio of road to off road that I do on a dual sport bike - an excellent compromise.

Mine were half worn when I got the bike and I was running them in the mid to low 20's.
If the bike shop had had some on the shelf I would have grabbed them.
They were great for the riding I was doing.

NordieBoy
23rd July 2007, 18:17
I just rang and the E-07 and E-09 are in stock at Dirt Action (see my post above for details), except the E-07 19in front are about 3 weeks away. The main man there uses them on his LC-4 and really rates them. Also LC-8 riders are using them. Reports of 14,000km to a rear are common (I get about 11-12,000km from E-07s, up from the 7-8,000 I was getting out of Trailwings). I had a couple of Dutch brothers stay with me who were getting 22,000km++ but they were travelling at about 75km/hr on DR600s around the world.

Cheers

Nigel in Rangiora

14000 would be right down to almost illegal tread depth on an E-07 :shit:

Still got nothing bad to say yet about the IRC GP21 on the front.

Transalper
23rd July 2007, 21:04
I took my Transalp 12000km on Mitas E07 (I think it's about ready to change, looks a bit tatty in places), and almost 6000km (not sure exactly) on E09.
I like them both. They are both mentioned a lot earlier in this topic.
Using D606 on the DR650 now for the more slippery rides and will be running E07 for their longevity on easier runs and sealed road runs.
If I had only one set of rims i might stick with E09 for slightly better life than D606 but more dirt grip than E07.
E09 was still pretty good on seal even when wet and Transalp loaded with camping stuff.

far queue
23rd July 2007, 21:08
Anyone had any experience with the E09; that is if it is available here in NZ?Yup, they're bloody good.


A few in CHCH have run E-09's. They seem to be like any other knobblie i.e. Dunlop D606 or Michi MT21. Possibly slightly better life but simply but not riding on the road so much (they are knobs after all) makes a significant difference i.e. hard to tell if actually get longer life). Price wise they are similar to the D606 or MT21 (all about $130ish).I've used the stock Trailwings and Pirelli MT21's and Mitas E09's. I found the Trailwings to be crap off road and on shingle roads unless you stayed in the wheel ruts with bugger all gravel, but they were good on the road. I took them off after 4729km with plenty of wear left on them. Next were the MT21's, great on road and off. Used in all conditions from low speed in mud to 120k+ for long stretches on the seal. Absolutely rooted (down to the carcass) when they came off after 6195km. Next and still on - E09's. Just as good as the MT21's on the seal and better in the dirt. Good enough that I have a spare set waiting to go on again when the time comes.


Reports of 14,000km to a rear are common (I get about 11-12,000km from E-07s, up from the 7-8,000 I was getting out of Trailwings). I had a couple of Dutch brothers stay with me who were getting 22,000km++ but they were travelling at about 75km/hr on DR600s around the world.14000k of usable life out of an E09? I think not.

I just went and checked mine for you. The new ones have a tread depth of 8mm on the front and 13mm on the rear. My current ones with 4445km of on and off road riding on them measure 6mm front, 7mm rear. At the current wear rate that would work out to a total mileage of 9630km for the rear and 17780km. BUT, that's worn down to the carcass. Works out to 8520km/14446km down to WOF level of tread, but that would still be useless off road. The rear has already lost a lot of it's grip from new but I'll persevere with it for a bit longer.

warewolf
23rd July 2007, 21:36
Thanks f q, that's great info.

Dances With Poultry
23rd July 2007, 21:46
Yup, they're bloody good.

14000k of usable life out of an E09? I think not.

Yeah, no way in hell you can get that sort of kms out of a proper knobblie, but I did say I was referring to the E-07 which is a different beast altogether.


I just went and checked mine for you. The new ones have a tread depth of 8mm on the front and 13mm on the rear. My current ones with 4445km of on and off road riding on them measure 6mm front, 7mm rear. At the current wear rate that would work out to a total mileage of 9630km for the rear and 17780km. BUT, that's worn down to the carcass. Works out to 8520km/14446km down to WOF level of tread, but that would still be useless off road.

8500km is still very good in my book for a real knobblie, you must be happy with that. I wear my tyres pretty much right down to legal, and 11-12,000 seems to be it for rears with my bike. They seem to better than the Trailwings with extra load. The Trailwings peeled away with my good lady on the back, but the Mitas seem to hold up much better. I wore more off my boots on the last Akaroa GP than I took off the tyres. The E-07 in the dry drift quite predictably when you get past their limit. It's not something I would do with a full knobblie tyre.

Regards

Nigel in Rangiora

_Shrek_
25th July 2007, 21:15
I just rang and the E-07 and E-09 are in stock at Dirt Action (see my post above for details), except the E-07 19in front are about 3 weeks away. The main man there uses them on his LC-4 and really rates them. Also LC-8 riders are using them. Reports of 14,000km to a rear are common (I get about 11-12,000km from E-07s, up from the 7-8,000 I was getting out of Trailwings). I had a couple of Dutch brothers stay with me who were getting 22,000km++ but they were travelling at about 75km/hr on DR600s around the world.

Cheers

Nigel in Rangiora

if you want something that handels it the wet as well as on the metal try the mitis herring bone patten dirt action chch have them
i do 1100 km appox weekly all weather does not include weekends or rallys so tried them out i got 16000k out of the front & 14200k from the back presures 23 & 30 they're great for duel purpose bikes

cooneyr
25th July 2007, 21:23
.......the mitis herring bone patten......

That would be the E07's you mean?

Transalper
25th July 2007, 21:38
That would be the E07's you mean?That's how the DAS guys describe them, yes, herring bone = E07 Mitas.

NordieBoy
25th July 2007, 21:41
if you want something that handels it the wet as well as on the metal try the mitis herring bone patten dirt action chch have them
i do 1100 km appox weekly all weather does not include weekends or rallys so tried them out i got 16000k out of the front & 14200k from the back presures 23 & 30 they're great for duel purpose bikes

They have them on the shelf or they can get them?

_Shrek_
25th July 2007, 21:42
That would be the E07's you mean?

that would be right cooneyr just checked to make sure

_Shrek_
25th July 2007, 21:48
They have them on the shelf or they can get them?

they have rear in most popular but only 21" front at the mo 19" on the way

Mint Sauce
25th July 2007, 22:29
DAS are down on stock on E07 of one 21 and one 17 since Monday.

Big thanks guys after all the deabte I knew what to go and get.

Phil at DAS is an awesome load of help on tyre advice and biking off road.

Now I just need to lose my virginity on changing M/C tyres! Following the advice that the last time to learn is on the trail.

Transalper
25th July 2007, 22:50
Phil at DAS is an awesome load of help on tyre advice and biking off road.

Now I just need to lose my virginity on changing M/C tyres! Following the advice that the last time to learn is on the trail.
Phil showed me how, i did my first tyre on their shop floor under his guidence with the tools (tyre and leavers) I bought from them. Took a few more tries at home, now i'm fairly comfortable with it all, hate rear tyres, 21inch fronts are easy. Rear beads could still be an issue for me if alone on a track, the DR650 one is a bit sticky and I'm a light weight. I use my bike ramp and van to leaver them off the bead at home.

I suppose your new tyres are already shop installed? or you want a hand?

Mint Sauce
26th July 2007, 07:19
Cheers Transalper. No, not fitted in the shop. I decided to follow the advice presented to me in the thread of 'get on with it and learn'; not a true quote I may add. Phil gave me a verbal run throgh in his shop and offered if it all seemed to be going wrong "throw one of the wheels in the back of the car and bring it down here". I've also read the ADV Neduro thread that someone made mention of.

I'm just waiting on my centre stand to arrive, fit it and then I'm going to give these tyres a go. The offer of help is much appreciated and I will give you a PM when I am all set up to go.

NordieBoy
26th July 2007, 09:02
they have rear in most popular but only 21" front at the mo 19" on the way

Ahhh.
It's the "On the way" bit that's the concern with Mitas tyres.

cooneyr
26th July 2007, 09:11
Cheers Transalper. No, not fitted in the shop. I decided to follow the advice presented to me in the thread of 'get on with it and learn'; not a true quote I may add. Phil gave me a verbal run throgh in his shop and offered if it all seemed to be going wrong "throw one of the wheels in the back of the car and bring it down here". I've also read the ADV Neduro thread that someone made mention of.

I'm just waiting on my centre stand to arrive, fit it and then I'm going to give these tyres a go. The offer of help is much appreciated and I will give you a PM when I am all set up to go.

I'm just a little touch heavier than TA and have bigger boots :D but more importantly and I have some loverly 5 inch G clamps if it all gets to nasty. I am also able to assist if you want a hand. I don't think the Dakar rears are quite as hard to do as the DR650's so hopefully you wont have too much trouble.

Cheers R

warewolf
26th July 2007, 14:55
Rear beads could still be an issue for me if alone on a track, the DR650 one is a bit sticky and I'm a light weight. I use my bike ramp and van to leaver them off the bead at home.Sounds a bit drastic. I'm in the same boat, don't have a lot of mass to throw at it, but I've never had to resort to that kind of caper, clamps, etc etc.

A couple of mates got a lesson from an expert enduro rider on Sunday. I watched, picked up a couple of tips, viz: whack the bead with a big rubber mallet to break it (I normally stand/stamp/jump on it) and when installing to get the last 10-15cm over the rim. To install the valve, hook a tyre lever on the installed side of the bead at the valve hole, lock the lever behind the sprocket. This holds that side of the tyre away from the hole, you can then pull the tyre bead away from the rim on the 'free' side without the other bead coming across the valve hole.

Also worth mentioning: leave your rim locks fitted to the rim before you put the tyre on, that is, to start insert the tyre into the rim at the rim lock. Put the rim tape over the rim lock.

cooneyr
26th July 2007, 15:18
Sounds a bit drastic. I'm in the same boat, don't have a lot of mass to throw at it, but I've never had to resort to that kind of caper, clamps, etc etc.

A couple of mates got a lesson from an expert enduro rider on Sunday. I watched, picked up a couple of tips, viz: whack the bead with a big rubber mallet to break it (I normally stand/stamp/jump on it) .....

It might sound drastic but have you ever tried to break the bead of a DR650 rear? I'm not a little fulla (110ks) but assuming the bead didnt pop when riding I find it hard to break the bead. Simply jumping on the tyre generally doesnt work (even when it is 110kgs jumping on the tyre).

If you dont have time and dont want to build up a massive sweat then G clamps or TA's idea is the way to go. Alternatively I've found supporting the rim with a block of wood so that is isnt under the tyre where you are trying to break the bead, then standing on the tyre and grabbing the spokes and pulling down works. All very difficult and sweat inducing.

The problem is DR650 rear rims have a extra ridge on the inside of where the bead sits to try and stop the bead poping off. The same thing can make getting the bead back on fun as well - lotsa air pressure and soapy water.

Cheers R

Transalper
26th July 2007, 16:16
Just in case there's any doubt of what i mean when i use my van and ramp here's a pict. By crickey when i worked that out tyres became a breeze. The ramp is a lot longer than needed for a leaver but it's always there and already made so I havent done anything about getting something more suitable or dedicated sorted.

young1
26th July 2007, 16:21
But how do you tie the ramp on the back of the bike when travelling, sideways or length ways!!

Crisis management
26th July 2007, 16:45
But how do you tie the ramp on the back of the bike when travelling, sideways or length ways!!

You don't need to, the DR comes with one built into the seat....or was that plank?

warewolf
26th July 2007, 16:54
It might sound drastic but have you ever tried to break the bead of a DR650 rear? ...I've not done a DR650 but plenty of others. That extra bead bump could make all the difference though.

Typically I have to tread on the tyre and pull down on the spokes to get it started, depending on the tyre, some are worse than others.

For me, tyre changes at home are practice for doing it in the field, sweat or no sweat. May as well let the shop do it if you aren't using trail-side tools.

Transalper
26th July 2007, 17:06
Rear beads could still be an issue for me if alone on a track
Like i said, but i'd like to think i'd have help with me, that's why I don't get in to places that could be trouble if alone. If I couldn't get the thing off the bead in the wop wops alone I'd run it flat for a bit and hopefully get it to move a bit or loosen off that way before rooting the tyre completely.
I thought about grinding off some of the lip but generally people i spoke to frowned on the idea so i didn't touch them.

tri boy
26th July 2007, 19:58
Carrying a spare tube gives you the option to run flat for a while to unseat the bead. If it roots the tube it wont matter, plus you don't have to dick around with a puncture repair. Just find the offending nail/object, bung in the new tube, and inflate. Even if you don't reseat the tyre properly, at least you can ride out.

Wolf
26th July 2007, 23:13
I'm just waiting on my centre stand to arrive
So I gather you have sourced one. A "Wunderlich" one?

Mint Sauce
27th July 2007, 08:57
Yep; the Wunderlich is on its way. From reading all the posts I can see tyre changing is going to be a life changing and fulfilling experience.

Thanks for all the tips and offers of help.

I will do a report back, complete with photos of missing fingers!

Big Dave
27th July 2007, 09:40
Yep; the Wunderlich is on its way. From reading all the posts I can see tyre changing is going to be a life changing and fulfilling experience.




I find it a complete pain in the arse.

I'd much rather pay someone - given the choice.

Kerry at motohause fits mine for free anyway.

_Shrek_
10th August 2007, 20:31
Ahhh.
It's the "On the way" bit that's the concern with Mitas tyres.

got word today DAS said EO7's are in Auckland be here next week :clap: best get your order in me thinks they will go pdq :yes:

Oscar
10th August 2007, 20:36
I find it a complete pain in the arse.
I'd much rather pay someone - given the choice.

Kerry at motohause fits mine for free anyway.

I think you might be doing it the wrong way...

OV Lander
4th September 2007, 21:07
Just read the following at www.intobikes.co.uk:

"Pirelli MT90 Scorpion... ...THESE TYRES ARE BEING PHASED OUT TO BE REPLACED BY THE MT60"

Has anybody heard anything on this topic?

NordieBoy
4th September 2007, 21:36
The MT60 is a totally different tyre.
What are they thinking?

Transalper
4th September 2007, 22:18
I can't see that written anywhere on that site. Can you put a more specific link up?

warewolf
4th September 2007, 23:33
Pirelli MT90 A/T Scorpion Rear (http://www.intobikes.co.uk/products?detail=product&id=000495), Pirelli MT90 A/T Scorpion Front (http://www.intobikes.co.uk/products?detail=product&id=000494&sg=OR&st=pt&pt=0092)

Really I don't think they are that different. By all accounts the MT60 is a highly-rated tyre. Some sizing issues, maybe. That site doesn't list an MT60 to suit the 640 Adventure (140/80-18) but the MT90 A/T is available in that size and more. There used to be an MT60 (bias ply) and MT60R (17" radial) but even the pirelli site lists only a couple of sizes - nothing useful for an adventure rider.

Maybe if they do re-vamp the range they will update the site 12 months afterwards... typical. :buggerd:

NordieBoy
5th September 2007, 08:47
Looks like the MT90 would be more suited to Adv bikes.
Nice ridge around the centre and bigger knobs with more depth.
I'm a wuss and I only got 2000km out of an MT60 Corsa rear.
Was nice up 'till then though.

Transalper
5th September 2007, 09:54
Looks like another stay the heck away from the dirt when it starts to get wet tire..

Wolf
5th September 2007, 13:55
Looks like another stay the heck away from the dirt when it starts to get wet tire..
It is that - it's shyte on mud. Dry dirt, gravel, tarmac (dry or wet) are all fine.

warewolf
5th September 2007, 14:07
it's shyte on mud. Dry dirt, gravel, tarmac (dry or wet) are all fine.Yebbut so is the MT90 A/T. Compared to something like the MT21, the MT60 and MT90 A/T would be so close it's not worth arguing the poofteenths between them. Which is probably some of the reasoning behind Pirelli's decision to drop one of them.

Wolf
5th September 2007, 17:16
Yebbut so is the MT90 A/T.
Heh, I thought he was talking about the MT90 A/T. Hence my comments - I run MT90 A/Ts on the XT225. Good in some areas, crap in others.

warewolf
5th September 2007, 17:50
Heh, I thought he was talking about the MT90 A/T. Hence my commentsAh, confusion...which only really goes to emphasize my point, that the 60 and 90 are pretty same-ish!

And on re-reading the original quote, it could be that the MT60 line is being revamped.

Wolf
5th September 2007, 19:51
Ah, confusion...which only really goes to emphasize my point, that the 60 and 90 are pretty same-ish!

And on re-reading the original quote, it could be that the MT60 line is being revamped.

From NordieBoy's comparison pic, they do look very same-ish.

NordieBoy
5th September 2007, 20:00
I'd say the MT90 looks to be harder wearing with deeper grooves and I like that joined up centre section.

clint640
7th September 2007, 13:15
I'd say the MT90 looks to be harder wearing with deeper grooves and I like that joined up centre section.

I had an MT90 140/18 on the back of the 640 for a while, got about 9000km out of it IIRC. Pretty good on road, It was OK on gravel when new, but got a bit sketchy when it wore a bit, I prefer the MT70 rear for it's extra grip in the dirt & gravel, but they do only last about 6000km. I'll probably be doing a fair bit of commuting over summer (you should see the roads on the way to my work :banana:) so I might even thow an MT90 back on for that.

The front TKC80 continues to be tha shizz.

Cheers
Clint

NordieBoy
7th September 2007, 17:36
Got a Shinko 244 rear on the way.
Half the price of the Kenda 270 and the IRC GP1 isn't available.
RRP of $70
Only one way to find out if it's any good...

cooneyr
7th September 2007, 18:21
Got a Shinko 244 rear on the way.
Half the price of the Kenda 270 and the IRC GP1 isn't available.
RRP of $70
Only one way to find out if it's any good...

Not a bad tyre. Plug has been through two of them - got about 6k out of one when being rough on it and about 9k out of the other IIRC. Ive got about a 1/2 worn one in the shed but am using knoblies at the moment. I'd use them all the time except want the extra traction off road at the moment.

Until you get to the bottom of the holes in the centre of the blocks they wear relatively rapidly but after that they dont wear very fast. I had a fresh one on for the first attempt at the DB and by the end of the 720km it was almost at the bottom of the block holes.

Cheers R

NordieBoy
7th September 2007, 18:50
Looks to be the same pattern as the Kenda and IRC but half the price.
Should last out the front IRC.

TOPFUN NZ
7th September 2007, 20:32
Hi check look up LMS Imports , we are thinking about taken there tyres on , they seem to have a good selection of all rounders.

Mint Sauce
7th September 2007, 20:54
Well finally got round to my first tyre change and fitting the tyres myself. So much for the Bridgestone video guy and "pop the bead":spanking:. Had no luck with the rear and ended getting Phil at DAS to give me a lesson. After that manged the front myself:done:, broke the bead the Neduro way; not walked that far for a long time. Phil gave me a good tip on breaking a tough bead, when at home, if you have a tow bar use that and the jack to break the bead. Dreading the rear on the road or trail though.


Fitted the Mita E07s. Took it for a burn and the Dakar feels a lot more sure in handling. Looking forward to trying them on the gravel and other stuff :soon:this weekend.

Thanks for the recommendations found in this thread on the tyre:clap:. At the moment it feels like a good choice. Will feedback on wear and handling as I try them out.

NordieBoy
7th September 2007, 21:03
Fitted the Mita E07s. Took it for a burn and the Dakar feels a lot more sure in handling. Looking forward to trying them on the gravel and other stuff :soon:this weekend.

You'll find that they won't have any chicken strips at all after a few seal sections :D

I think I'll go back to them but I'm in the "experimental" stage of my tyre choices.

_Shrek_
7th September 2007, 21:37
You'll find that they won't have any chicken strips at all after a few seal sections :D

I think I'll go back to them but I'm in the "experimental" stage of my tyre choices.

just gone past 16k EO7 on the rear hoping it will do till next thursday before i change it to head sth ive had a EO8 on the front handles like chit on the metal but it got me through

Transalper
7th September 2007, 22:09
Hi check look up LMS Imports , we are thinking about taken there tyres on , they seem to have a good selection of all rounders.Get mine from DAS in Chch, maybe LMS Imports are where DAS get theirs from too, they are the same Mitas E07 and E09 that we've been raving about.
I've also got one of their Trelleborg ones which is good on the Transalp but not so agreeable on the DR.

timg
7th September 2007, 22:28
Fitted the Mita E07s. Took it for a burn and the Dakar feels a lot more sure in handling. Looking forward to trying them on the gravel and other stuff :soon:this weekend.

Thanks for the recommendations found in this thread on the tyre:clap:. At the moment it feels like a good choice. Will feedback on wear and handling as I try them out.

I've had E07's front & rear on my TransAlp for the last 3000km or so. Very happy with them on shingle and seal compared to the original equipment Trailwings which were good on seal but horrible on shingle. Hope they will suit you. Cheers.

oldrider
7th September 2007, 23:11
:confused:You just can't get Mitas E07 Tyres for the Tiger and that is a big disappointment for me.

On the T/A, they were great, I was really impressed with them all round.

It is nice when you feel really confident in your tyres! :sweatdrop John.

But wait, I have probably said that already, haven't I! :confused:

NordieBoy
8th September 2007, 10:42
This thread is probably responsible for 3/4 of the Mitas sales in NZ.

helenoftroy
9th September 2007, 00:35
This thread is probably responsible for 3/4 of the Mitas sales in NZ.

I reckon:Punk:

Boys at DAS have just put a set of E07's on the GS after checking out this thread.Much cheaper than the Saharas and TKC80's that I've had.Only been on the seal so far .....:yes::yes:

OV Lander
9th September 2007, 23:46
I can't see that written anywhere on that site. Can you put a more specific link up?

Apologies for the delay, but try this link:

http://www.intobikes.co.uk/promotions/pirelli_mt90_scorpion/

Transalper
10th September 2007, 00:09
Apologies for the delay, but try this link:

http://www.intobikes.co.uk/promotions/pirelli_mt90_scorpion/Thanks.....

NordieBoy
10th September 2007, 08:42
"THESE TYRES ARE BEING PHASED OUT TO BE REPLACED BY THE MT60"

Being replaced by a tyre that's been around for over 15 years?

warewolf
10th September 2007, 11:57
"THESE TYRES ARE BEING PHASED OUT TO BE REPLACED BY THE MT60"

Being replaced by a tyre that's been around for over 15 years?That's why I suspect that if it is true, then likely Pirelli are combining the newer MT90 A/T technology with the older MT60 name into one new range called the MT60. Kinda wouldn't make sense to just drop the MT90 A/T, it's OEM on the KTM 9x0 Adventures and is the most road-oriented tyre available for the 640 Adventure.

The MT90 S/T is the radial, more road-focussed variant to suit the beemer crowd, mainly 19" front 17" rear. Maybe part of the reason for reverting to the MT60 name is for clearer marketing differentiation between the MT90 S/T and MT90 A/T ranges.

Oscar
10th September 2007, 17:31
I just put a TKC80 on my 950Adv.
What I can't get over is the fact that it is a 150/80x18.
When I went to the first Aussie GP in 1989 (or was it 90?) as pit-crew I could not get over the HUGE tyres being run on the 500s. I took some pictures of them, 'cause I figured my mates would never believe that 150 size tyres were being used on GP bikes...

pete376403
10th September 2007, 23:22
I put a Vee Rubber P62 (v208) "Trail Wolf" on the rear wheel of the KLR at 810 Kms. 1430 Km later its down to about 3mm in the centre, after 70/30% sealed / good gravel road. A mate with the same type of tyre on his DR got similar wear rates on the same roads Might try the Mitas tyres next.
Incidentally Mitas used to be known as Barum - who among other things were the tyre supplier for Jawa speedway bikes. That might explain the LMS connection, as Robin Adlington was a top speedway rider both here and in the UK back in the 70s / 80s

NordieBoy
11th September 2007, 08:35
Incidentally Mitas used to be known as Barum

Here you go...

MITAS a.s. currently consists of three plants one in Prague, the other in Zlín and Otrokovice.

These plants produce tyres for farm machinery, off-the-road machines and construction machinery, for motorcycles, high-lift trucks, light-goods vehicles and some airplanes. The plant in Zlín also belongs among the important world producers of V-belts.
MITAS Praha was established in 1933 in Prague-Strašnice as a subsidiary of Michelin. Michelin held a 75% interest, while the rest was held by Czechoslovak banks. Michelin had been attracted to Prague by the skilled manpower, which had became available owing to the economic recession. The new plant gradually increased the number of Czech employees up to 250. They made tyres and tubes for cars, motorcycles and bikes. Production in the plant reached its peak in 1937, making about 300 car and motorcycle tyres and almost 100 bike tyres (and tubes) a day.

During the war the plant was seized by Harburger Phîix, which focused on military production including, first of all, the hard rubber coating of metal parts. When the German management hastily left the plant in May 1945, the plant gradually returned to a civil product range and later on it was nationalised. In spring 1946 it was re-named to Pneumichelin, n.p. Praha. At the turn of the years 1946/1947, a contest was launched to find a new name for the plant. MITAS was the winning proposal, combing the words MIchelin and VeriTAS. Veritas, located at Hrádek nad Nisou, had been making rubber tyres for pram wheels and had been included in the Michelin group in 1946. The brand name MITAS has been used since summer 1947.
New machines and equipment were gradually installed and commissioned during 1949-1952. Preparations for extending the production of medium to heavy truck tyres continued simultaneously. The bicycle tyre unit was spun off under Rubena Náchod. The passenger car tyre production unit in Prague was closed in 1957 and in 1958 the plant was transferred to the newly created company, České závody gumárenské, which also covered Rubena Náchod and Gumokov Hradec Králové. By 1967, when an extensive restructuring of the company was completed, the company had won a good position among the leading European rubber companies. Later the company also introduced the production of tyres for construction machinery. In March 1985, a fire destroyed the factory s most important part the rubber mixing plant. Two years later a new automated mixing plant began being built and was fully commissioned in 1993. Meanwhile the company became a national enterprise and, later, a joint-stock company.

The tradition of tyre production in the current MITAS production unit in Zlín was established by Tomáš Baťa early in the 1930s. Equipment was delivered from abroad to Zlín in Jauary 1932 and in April the first 32x6 tyre was moulded there. A year later Baťa built a tyre plant in Zlín, which made 68,000 tyres of 43 sizes in the second half of 1934. In 1935 the plant doubled its output and the Baťa tyres were mounted on all Czech cars a situation not favouring the import of tyres from abroad. In 1939 Baťa made 250 thousand tyres annually and introduced also the production of V-belts, conveyer belts and technical rubber.
In 1945, the Baťa company was nationalised and in 1949 it was renamed to Svit. The production of tyres was separated in 1953 to establish a separate company, named Rudý Šíjen (Red October). In 1967 the Zlín plant produced the first passenger-car radial tyre and five years later a large new plant for tyre production was opened at Otrokovice near Zlín.

A new joint-stock company, Barum Holding, was established in 1991 with participation of MITAS Praha, the Czech Ministry of Industry, Barum Otrokovice, OP Barum Zlín, and Motokov Praha. Several years later Continental acquired a majority interest in the Otrokovice tyre plant, whereas the Zlín tyre plant, named Barumtech (later renamed to Beltyr) remained under the Barum Holding. Česká gumárenská společnost gradually developed from Barum Holding, whereas MITAS Praha merged with Beltyr Zlín to form a new single entity. An extensive restructuring programme (MITAS 2004) has been under way in MITAS for the fourth year now as one of the few companies in the Czech Republic, MITAS was awarded investment incentives from the Czech government for that programme. In 2002, MITAS launched the production of radial tyres for tractors and MPT radial tyres of the all-steel type.

tri boy
11th September 2007, 08:49
Thats a good company history. I just hope Continental don't meddle, or asset strip it.

warewolf
11th September 2007, 20:41
...When the German management hastily left the plant in May 1945...ROTFLMAO!!! :laugh:

XF650
13th September 2007, 19:43
Fitted Mitas E07's to the Freewind today (100/90 19 front & 130/80 17 rear).
Went for a short blat on some gravel & amazing improvement to stability & traction, although I"m only comparing them to previous Metzler Tourance front & Mitas EO8 rear.
Big test tommorrow when loaded up for the "long way round" to the Pissed Penguin, via heaps of gravel & hills etc. Will report impressions after that.

NordieBoy
14th September 2007, 22:54
The Shinko went on the back today (inc @200g of lead)

Feels nice on the gravel and hills, good over the wet rocks and transitions nice and smoothly on the seal.

After a few rides I'll get it back on the balancer and see if there's a difference as I got the feeling it needed getting a bit of heat into it and a bit of a low pressure workout to settle.

So far, I like...

NordieBoy
16th September 2007, 13:45
Damn!
I like the tire but don't like this bit...
Would be fine but it looks like it into the carcass :(

<img src=http://www.photostorage.nelson.geek.nz/sports/motorsport/mybikes/DR650/20070914%20Shinko%20244/slides/20070916-111454-000001.jpg>

tri boy
16th September 2007, 14:28
Thats a bit of bad luck NB.
Looks like a compression split. Thats the new Shinko?:shit:

NordieBoy
16th September 2007, 14:40
Yep, Shinko 244.

tri boy
16th September 2007, 14:51
Try for a warranty claim. I'm picking the rubber split due to weakness in that knob.
Can't see any obvious cut/side puncture.
Can only hope that your supplier is a reasonable shop.
Even large Cat Dump truck tyres would suffer similar failures, and at $20,000 a tyre, you would expect them to be well made.

NordieBoy
16th September 2007, 15:56
Havn't paid for it yet :D