North Korean Missiles launched

[marty]

North Korea launches a number of missiles, and the international community joins the USA in condemning their arrogance and refusal to comply with UN resolutions?

Lucky for the international community the USA complies with everthing the UN says................

[Sparky Bills]

Shit, thats a bit of a worry.

[Macktheknife]

Dont hold your breath people these NK's are nuts! They are trying to piss off the USA and Japan... and its working.

[Postie]

Shit, thats a bit of a worry.
I wouldn't be too worried just yet, the long range Taepodong 2 missile flew for 40 seconds before malfunctioning and fell into the sea.




Must have been made by Suzuki

[Sniper]

Woohoo, another war soon.

[SimJen]

Taepodong, sounds more like an Asian porno....

[Biohazard]

Bahh, yesterdays news. I would only start to worry when they can figure out how to keep them in the air long enough to cause a worry. Feck me 40secs, i doubt that'll clear NK air space tbh....

Its the Yanks you need to worry about - obsessive paranoia makes them want to attact everything and anything they cant agree with or understand...Kind of reminds me of Neanderthal man tbh (and dont start telling me i'm wrong as its my view, and ya wont change it :blip: ) .

[Sniper]

It got close to Japan and they have now run to Bush asking to help. Should be interesting to see how this works out.

[Hitcher]

Don't underestimate the Japanese on this one. If they get nervous they will intervene directly, rather than calling on the US. The Japanese have a very capable "defence force" and are in no mood to take any shit at all from a loony near neighbour.

[Blairos]

The UN are being very forthright with this one, and having a "Meeting" about it... :wait:

[SARGE]

I wouldn't be too worried just yet, the long range Taepodong 2 missile flew for 40 seconds before malfunctioning and fell into the sea.




yea.. the North Koreans wouldnt have hit the destruct switch just to keep its capabilities a secret would they?..

and its made in Korea so its a Hyosung..

[Biohazard]

The Japanese have a very capable "defence force"

"Capable" that be an understatement, Jesus thoose guys have more big toys than what we give em credit for, plus they know how to use 'em..


:bye: NK.

[SARGE]

Bahh, yesterdays news. I would only start to worry when they can figure out how to keep them in the air long enough to cause a worry. Feck me 40secs, i doubt that'll clear NK air space tbh....

Its the Yanks you need to worry about - obsessive paranoia makes them want to attact everything and anything they cant agree with or understand...Kind of reminds me of Neanderthal man tbh (and dont start telling me i'm wrong as its my view, and ya wont change it :blip: ) .


oh fuck,... here we go again..

yea.. the North Koreans are not standing in the USA's face and poking a finger in thier chests trying to make them swing..that wouldnt be sane would it ??

at least the little bastards got balls and are facing it straight on without hiding behind Women and Children..

this should be a good fight..

[Jantar]

According to the news last night, the Nth Koreans hit the destruct button while the missle was still on its stage 1 burn. Something serious must have happened to its navigation system for that to happen. I could understand them destroying it after stage 1 and before stage 3 to check that the interstage timing is correct, but they would hardly destroy it shortly after launch unless they had lost control of where it was going.

[sAsLEX]

Woohoo, another war soon.

mate is over there at the mo on the border........interesting to see how this pans out

[bobsmith]

Well I hear Helen Clark has condemmed them also... They must be really really afraid now, hell for all they know, NZ might supply video clips of helen clark to other international agencies to jam North Korean communications and broadcast helen clark's pictures on their TV sets in order to permeanently psychologically impair their population... After all, soldiers with mental illness wouldn't fight very well.....

[The_Dover]

Something serious must have happened to its navigation system for that to happen.

Yeah, I can see it now.

"Aww fuck Dong, did we change the GPS co-ordinates back from that Whitehouse trial map we loaded from google earth?"

"Fucked if I know Chun Li, best hit the self destruct button"

The range on those things should be great, they'll only need to stop once between Whangarei and Wellington for gas, eh swampy?

[Sniper]

mate is over there at the mo on the border........interesting to see how this pans out
I know about the war and tension between North and South Korea, but I wasnt aware that the US had any other influence apart from arming the South Koreans and helping them train. I used to know more, but gave up checking them out a while ago

[bobsmith]

Americans also station their man in South Korea near borders, they were talking about pulling out of South Korea a couple of years ago though... Not sure what happened...

[SARGE]

After all, soldiers with mental illness wouldn't fight very well.....


always worked ok for me....

[Sniper]

Americans also station their man in South Korea near borders, they were talking about pulling out of South Korea a couple of years ago though... Not sure what happened...

Unless there is complete peace then there will always be a squad of American Marines stationed there.


always worked ok for me....
Ditto.

[The_Dover]

Downtown Seoul has more merkins than a wig shop.

[Swoop]

So the plot of Team America - World Police is correct after all!

Maybe I should fire my interpreter?

[placidfemme]

Ok... just to help me understand this I have some questions...

1. Why does it matter that they have big weapons?

2. If they are "testing" missles, which country were they aimed at?

3. If they are only "testing" the missles, whats the problem?

4. Isn't this similar to the Iraq situation?

5. Why does everyone care?

[Matt Bleck]

I don't care.... just nuke em!!!

[Sniper]

Ok... just to help me understand this I have some questions...

1. Why does it matter that they have big weapons?
Its a threat


2. If they are "testing" missles, which country were they aimed at?
Not aimed at a country. Usually aimed at an ocean or testing facility


3. If they are only "testing" the missles, whats the problem?
Missiles are never accurate and no one knows what they contain or type they are= Threat


4. Isn't this similar to the Iraq situation?
In a way yes, but in a way no too


5. Why does everyone care? Because they could cause something bad and there is a ratio of 6:1 of tree huggers and non tree huggers

[The_Dover]

1. The yanks get jealous
2. Hopefully Australia
3. They didn't reach Australia
4. No that was Towel Heads, this is zipper heads.
5. Kim dong and his bunch are a little bit crazy, communist and the Hyosung factory is at risk. Swampy would cry if that got taken out.

[bobsmith]

Ok... just to help me understand this I have some questions...

1. Why does it matter that they have big weapons?

2. If they are "testing" missles, which country were they aimed at?

3. If they are only "testing" the missles, whats the problem?

4. Isn't this similar to the Iraq situation?

5. Why does everyone care?

Answers:

1. Because the Americans ... I mean UN told them not to.
2. It was aimed at pissing people off (not really a country as such but hey) oh and get it as far as they can get it so they can say loudly "hey see we can make thing go really really far....."
3. See question 1
4. Ummm... if it was like Iraq situation, americans will be invading North Korea right now... they're not. Also if they did invade North Korea, it would be a war for South Koreans not Americans... South Koreans have also been trying to "peacefully reunite" the Koean people for decades now so war just won't fly. (and south koreans yell really really loud.)
5. Because it makes them feel important. It's just like the local councils bark and moan all the time and deny people resource consents because it makes them feel all important.

[placidfemme]

*sigh*

thanks for all the answers...

So basically, the mighty US of A is scared that another country might come close to having even a 10th (most likely less) of the firepower they have... so they are really only a threat to the US. And thats what it boils down to right?

[Lou Girardin]

Ok... just to help me understand this I have some questions...

1. Why does it matter that they have big weapons?

2. If they are "testing" missles, which country were they aimed at?

3. If they are only "testing" the missles, whats the problem?

4. Isn't this similar to the Iraq situation?

5. Why does everyone care?

You can add, why weren't the Merkins as upset when Pakistan tested nuclear capable missiles?

[The_Dover]

You can add, why weren't the Merkins as upset when Pakistan tested nuclear capable missiles?

Because they would never fall into the grubby little hands of muslim extremists, duh!

[placidfemme]

You can add, why weren't the Merkins as upset when Pakistan tested nuclear capable missiles?

*finally just clicked as to what merkins stands for :shutup: *

very good question!

[Sniper]

*sigh*

thanks for all the answers...

So basically, the mighty US of A is scared that another country might come close to having even a 10th (most likely less) of the firepower they have... so they are really only a threat to the US. And thats what it boils down to right?

Not really condisering China has the biggest Army in the world but....


The United States is widely regarded as the world's sole military superpower. But many experts expect China to challenge that status on the military front by early next century. Still Western analysts see little reason to fear from China's military:

Its 2.8 million-person army is the world's largest but is poorly trained and equipped.

Its 8,500 tanks are slow, small and out-of-date.

The 4,000 fighter planes in the Chinese air force are mostly from the 1960s and 1970s and lack modern avionics.

Its navy's 61 submarines and 54 surface ships are capable of little more than coastal patrols

But Pakistan is a friend Lou.....

[placidfemme]

Not really condisering China has the biggest Army in the world but......

yeah so they are bigger... but not as powerful... and China isn't the same as North Korea..... maybe they will join up

[SARGE]

letting Korea have long range capable nuclear weapons is alot like letting ME have them.. im sure as hell gonna use them


im just gonna back out of this conversation because alot of you just have no clue..

no sense in Jelly wrestling with a paraplegic

[Sniper]

<img src=http://www.snebold.com/blog/archives/images/team_america-tlr_m480.jpg></img src>

Im going to get you Amewica

[placidfemme]

letting Korea have long range capable nuclear weapons is alot like letting ME have them.. im sure as hell gonna use them

I know you wanna stay out of this and you are very pro-america

But you could have some good input here.

In your above statement you said they "will" use them...

Against who? Who do they hate enough to start WW3? (cause one nuke is all it takes)

[chris]

4. Isn't this similar to the Iraq situation?
North Korea doesn't have large oil reserves.

[chris]

you are very pro-america You'd never know....


Who do they hate enough to start WW3? It's not about hate.

[placidfemme]

It's not about hate.

so then it must be a man thing

"my dick is bigger than yours"

Solution: Any country that wants to start a war with another country should get the leaders of those respective countries and put the two in a room together, no weapons just thier big dicks and after 24 hours open the room again... the surviving leader wins the war...

Outcome: No civilian deaths
no money wasted on weapons
no economic effects

[The_Dover]

Why not just get the ruler out?

Most inches wins???

[marty]

and there is the crux of their issue - they have very little natural reserves of anything, they keep to themselves, yet they need to have access to said reserves, so they use intimidation, coersion or force to obtain them.

i see that Kim Jong-Il apparantley went on a train ride to Russia in the days before the 1st test (another is being mooted) - was that just in case the merkins took exception and carried out a pre-emptive strike? (not that they would though, as pre-emptive strikes are against UN protocol....)

[Lou Girardin]

Not really condisering China has the biggest Army in the world but....



But Pakistan is a friend Lou.....

It is for now.

[Lou Girardin]

You really have to ask why America has only attacked one of the "Axis of Evil" Could it be that they'd get their arses handed to them on a plate if they hit Iran, and that they know that Nth Korea already has nukes?

[Swoop]

I like Nth Korea testing these missiles.
Why? Because it sends a BIG fu*k you :finger: to the UN and all of the paper-pushing pencil-dicked weenies there.

[Biohazard]

Edited -

TBH nowt we can do personally to stop it anyway.

Just hope that the weapons that alledgedly dont excist to stop this happen actually do what they are alledgedly supposed to do.

[Winston001]

Solution: Any country that wants to start a war with another country should get the leaders of those respective countries and put the two in a room together, no weapons just thier big dicks and after 24 hours open the room again... the surviving leader wins the war...

Outcome: No civilian deaths
no money wasted on weapons
no economic effects

Nice idea but it ain't that easy. Imagine Hitler was put in a room with Neville Chamberlain. Hitler wins, all the Jews, gypsys and non-Aryans in Europe get slaughtered over the next 25 years. Not exactly win-win.

[Winston001]

I like Nth Korea testing these missiles.
Why? Because it sends a BIG fu*k you :finger: to the UN and all of the paper-pushing pencil-dicked weenies there.

Maybe, but the UN is funded by the likes of you and me. While the North Korean leadership are spending money on missiles, their people are starving to death. And who is helping them out? The UN, along with assorted aid agencies including considerable American support.

So frankly I don't blame anyone for being annoyed that these people.

[Winston001]

So basically, the mighty US of A is scared that another country might come close to having even a 10th (most likely less) of the firepower they have... so they are really only a threat to the US. And thats what it boils down to right?


Nope. Its the Japanese, the Russians, the Phillipinos, the South Koreans, and the Taiwanese are afraid. Even the Chinese are nervous.

And the USA is friendly with most of those nations so it sticks up for them.

Think of it this way. A teenager lives down the street from you. Instead of working he's on a benefit and doing drugs - which your taxes pay for. He gets a shotgun off Trademe, and starts firing random shots into the street. He is paranoid and scared of the local street kids, and wants to show them he can defend himself - and that he is one tough dude.

You'd be fine with that?

We have a real double standard when arguing about the actions of nations. On the one hand the liberal view is not to actively interfere when people are being persecuted/killed etc. None of our business.

Yet on the other hand when twin babies are killed, we are up in arms. Why wasn't something done etc etc. Aren't murdered babies in Iraq/North Korea/Sudan just as important?

[Winston001]

So basically, the mighty US of A is scared that another country might come close to having even a 10th (most likely less) of the firepower they have... so they are really only a threat to the US. And thats what it boils down to right?


Nope. Its the Japanese, the Russians, the Phillipinos, the South Koreans, and the Taiwanese are afraid. Even the Chinese are nervous.

And the USA is friendly with most of those nations so it sticks up for them.

Think of it this way. A teenager lives down the street from you. Instead of working he's on a benefit and doing drugs - which your taxes pay for. He gets a shotgun off Trademe, and starts firing random shots into the street. He is paranoid and scared of the local street kids, and wants to show them he can defend himself - and that he is one tough dude.

You'd be fine with that?

We have a real double standard when arguing about the actions of nations. On the one hand the liberal view is not to actively interfere when people are being persecuted/killed etc. None of our business.

Yet on the other hand when twin babies are killed, we are up in arms. Why wasn't something done etc etc. Aren't murdered babies in Iraq/North Korea/Sudan just as important?

[Biff]

Nothing to really worry about if you ask me, apart from the fact that the US, in particular, is biting. Ignore this stupid regime and they'll fade back into obscurity up their own arse holes.

The biggest mistake the region and the wider world could make is to react in face of these dicks letting off a few fire-crackers IMO. It's simply a pathetic attempt to make the world believe that N.Korea is important on the world stage and are a force to reckoned with. Which is hilarious. In reality it's a failed society built upon fear, and run by a misfit. Oh, and they've got an unstable stock of alleged weapons grade nuclear material, but claim they're a nuclear weapon nation. Yeah right.

Most countries with any kind of military capability in the developed world (with the possible exception of NZ alone) could whoop their arses.

Idiots. But I don't believe even they would be stupid enough to undertake any aggresive military action against their neighbours. They know, deep down, that they're pathetic.

[Street Gerbil]

North Korea launches a number of missiles, and the international community joins the USA in condemning their arrogance

Well, if you are not concerned about hungry commies with some nuclear warheads and intercontinental delivery vehicles, consider hungry commies selling those missiles to jihadis.

[diggydog]

North Korea launches a number of missiles, and the international community joins the USA in condemning their arrogance and refusal to comply with UN resolutions?

Lucky for the international community the USA complies with everthing the UN says................
Iook it might be one thing to fire a missiles, as long as it dos'nt hit us.:zzzz:
But what i see is the oil companies will have any excuse to put the price of gas up!!!- this is where we all pay for it. :angry: :shutup:

[marty]

that first line needs to be read in conjuction with the next one.

no-one seems to have picked upon the irony of it all yet.

[Matt Bleck]

Just saw a piece on one news.... the top dog of NK is a nut job...

[Street Gerbil]

you (Sarge) said they "will" use them... Against who? Who do they hate enough to start WW3? (cause one nuke is all it takes)
Allow me to reiterate. I don't think NKorans have an intention to use their nukes. That's bad business. They'd rather sell it to jihadis who will use them without slightest hesitation. That's good business.

[Indiana_Jones]

Kim Jong Il: Hans Brix? Oh no! Oh, herro. Great to see you again, Hans!
Hans Blix: Mr. Il, I was supposed to be allowed to inspect your palace today, but your guards won't let me enter certain areas.
Kim Jong Il: Hans, Hans, Hans! We've been frew this a dozen times. I don't have any weapons of mass destwuction, OK Hans?
Hans Blix: Then let me look around, so I can ease the UN's collective mind. I'm sorry, but the UN must be firm with you. Let me in, or else.
Kim Jong Il: Or else what?
Hans Blix: Or else we will be very angry with you... and we will write you a letter, telling you how angry we are.

-Indy

[Swoop]

...Nothing to really worry about if you ask me... Ignore this stupid regime and they'll fade back into obscurity up their own arse holes.

Most countries with any kind of military capability in the developed world (with the possible exception of NZ alone) could whoop their arses.

Idiots. But I don't believe even they would be stupid enough to undertake any aggresive military action against their neighbours. They know, deep down, that they're pathetic.
You have researched the N Korean military and know their capabilities then?
Force size? Training? Equipment?

You might be in for a small shock.

Correct on the assumption about NZ being incapable (militarily) though...

[GIXser]

Don't underestimate the Japanese on this one. If they get nervous they will intervene directly, rather than calling on the US. The Japanese have a very capable "defence force" and are in no mood to take any shit at all from a loony near neighbour.

DUH,, ya old fool,!!!!

"stats" of japanese army, about 40 million available troops, (stats 05) china, 680 million, go do the sums... not only that, i think the chinese have a score to settle (think 1940-45)!!---(and then you have korea etc)

and oh yeah,, the commies have plenty of hardware too--"

also there will be some political underlying factors here US v China
China has the largest trade surplus with the US, "one by the way" that the US will never be able to repay,and its getting bigger day by day, bit by bit chinese are taking over amercian companies ie IBM (personal computers division) Maytag etc.. the list continues) as part of their debt/interest repayment .as mentioned they (US)will never be able to repay this,,, unless ofcourse......... guess what,!!!!!! they start " A WAR"
the only way to wipe a debt!!!!

[Lou Girardin]

Some missile crisis. When I was a kid, we had a REAL missile crisis.
This generation can't do ANYTHING right.

[SARGE]

Some missile crisis. When I was a kid, we had a REAL missile crisis.
This generation can't do ANYTHING right.


we had JFK though..

[Lou Girardin]

we had JFK though..

Eggsactly. He didn't shag just ONE bimbo. No, he worked his way through Hollywood.
See, everything was done better back then.

But everyone will remember what they were doing when Georgy dies too.
Celebrating!

[Biff]

You have researched the N Korean military and know their capabilities then?
Force size? Training? Equipment?

Sort of, to a degree. I subscribe to Jane's Defence Weekly amongst other things. And lets' just say that I work in the defence arena. So I like to think I at least know the basics. Thanks for asking.

Sure they have a huge force, in terms of manpower. Albeit their training is basic to say the least. Their equipment is low tier crap from China and a little from Iran, the rest has been developed at home.

They bought centrifuge (to make missile grade fuel) technology from Pakistan, and in return sold them what they know about rockets. Some how I'd imagine after this episdoe business will be slow.

The only real fear is that, as has already been stated, these prats will sell what little they do know do some fanatics, most likely a terrorist organisation as oppossed to any specific nation, who are barking enough to let off a dirty bomb or similar.

[Lou Girardin]

I subscribe to Jane's Defence Weekly amongst other things. .

I get the NZ version, Helen's Defence Weakly.

[SARGE]

I get the NZ version, Helen's Defence Weakly.


isnt that the one with Helen and the Maori warriors sticking thier tongues out at the Koreans on the cover??

Janes is good

globalsecurity.org is too

[sAsLEX]

Janes is good



pricey though, read them in the mess when i get the chance

[James Deuce]

The Japanese are gettin' uppity. They need a "reminder". Hope this is it.

[Lou Girardin]

Anyone notice that India has just launched an AGNI 3 nuke capable missile?
Remarkably less fuss over this one.
Funny that.

[James Deuce]

I've been waiting for a response from Pakistan.

[Lou Girardin]

I've been waiting for a response from Pakistan.


Do they have your email?

[James Deuce]

They have EVERYONE'S email.

What part of that world are all the call centres in again?

[The_Dover]

Official response.


Thank you, come again.

[Lou Girardin]

They have EVERYONE'S email.

What part of that world are all the call centres in again?


Very good point. The Indians are REALLY playing with fire there.

[Hitcher]

The Indians' missile programme had a bad day. Maybe HRH The Duke of Edinburgh was right afterall and the electronics really had been installed by an Indian...

[Lou Girardin]

Apparently it was a 'satellite' launching missile.
That's what the Koreans did wrong. They should have launched a 'satellite' missile too.

[James Deuce]

Looks like "Pakistan" have registered their protest.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3729279a12,00.html

[Biff]

Looks like "Pakistan" have registered their protest.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3729279a12,00.html



I was in Mumbai/Bombay last week. I'm sure this shite follows me around.

I'm off to Tehran the week after next. Here's hoping the Americans don't 'lodge a complaint' until I get home.

[SARGE]

I'm off to Tehran the week after next. Here's hoping the Americans don't 'lodge a complaint' until I get home.


take a white flag and a crash helmet.. just in case..

[Lou Girardin]

I'm off to Tehran the week after next. Here's hoping the Americans don't 'lodge a complaint' until I get home.

You're safe, Bush is shit scared of them. They make Iraqi insurgents look like boy scouts.

[SARGE]

You're safe, Bush is shit scared of them. They make Iraqi insurgents look like boy scouts.



thats the funniest thing ive read since your last post Lou :rockon:


scared has nothing to do with it.. its just not politically or Strategically feasible right now .. Germany got its ass kicked (twice) fighting on too many fronts .. so did Rome..

now Korea and Iran?

thank Gawd us Yanks got balls

[Lou Girardin]

That's right sarge, they're struggling with one front.
What happened to those good old world wars eh?
Those buggers knew when they were beaten.