'Reservoir Dogs' game banned, I am pissed

[Indiana_Jones]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3724613a7873,00.html

I am not happy. :angry: Gonna have to do something.

-Indy

[MattRSK]

I will be downloading it when it is avaliable. Stuff it.

[Mr. Peanut]

In Reservoir Dogs – by Blitz Games – players control six characters with the aim of killing large numbers of police officers.

By taking public and police officers hostage, the player is able to force the police to drop their weapons.

"Players can pistol whip hostages and repeatedly smash their heads on to nearby walls and surfaces. After the police comply, they can be disarmed, or killed in whichever manner the player chooses," Chief Censor Bill Hastings said.

Players can also choose to set the hostage free, execute the hostage with a single, point blank shot to the head, or kill the hostage using a "signature move".

Signature moves include the ability to burn hostages' eyes out with a lit cigar, chop off their fingers with a cigar cutter, and hack off their ears using a scalpel, all while they plead for their lives and scream in pain.

"Deaths can be replayed in slow motion to show, for example, bullets entering and leaving a person's body with large sprays of blood as he dies, and decapitation by shotgun blast, leaving a headless body lying on the ground spurting blood."

The player is then able to repeat this violence and cruelty without penalty for the purpose of entertainment, Mr Hastings said.

Blitz Games last month told Game Spot website it is possible to make it through the entire game without killing anyone.

[Mr. Peanut]

It's Quentin Tarantino the game.

WTF DO YOU EXPECT??? :angry:

[onearmedbandit]

I have heard of copies of Postal, Postal2, and Man Hunt circulating, so no doubt this will as well. Not that I'd ever consider having an illegal game on my computer.

[Indiana_Jones]

It's the principle really for me.

We're adults we can make our own choices.

-Indy

[WINJA]

im glad they banned it , that sorta game is only bought by kids and fuckwitts anyway , 'newsflash' torturing and murdering people or animals is not cool even if those animals are the police.
next they should ban gangsta rap

[WINJA]

It's the principle really for me.

We're adults we can make our own choices.

-Indy
THATS THE PROBLEM INDY WE'RE NOT ALL ADULTS AND SOME ADULTS SHOULDNT BE GIVEN CHOICES

[inlinefour]

Ive got postal 2 running with sizzors somewhere, unless I biffed it. The novalty ran out pretty quickly and the game actually was generally crap...

[Whynot]

THATS THE PROBLEM INDY WE'RE NOT ALL ADULTS AND SOME ADULTS SHOULDNT BE GIVEN CHOICES

That is pure genius .... bling coming your way :first:

[scumdog]

It's the principle really for me.

We're adults we can make our own choices.

-Indy

ADULTS?? adults? You wanna play a game like that and STILL be considered adult? Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!!!! Sheesh!!!

[Indiana_Jones]

Each to their own.

-Indy

[WINJA]

Each to their own.

-Indy
NOT AT ALL , CAUSE WHEN YOU RELEASE GAMES LIKE THIS FOR SALE SOME IMMATURE TARDS CANT ALWAYS SEPERATE FANTASYFROM REALITY AND THAT EEFECTS EVERY ONE SO ITS NOT ABOUT PERSONAL CHOICE BUT A SMART DECESION FOR THE GREATER GOOD ,DONT YOU THINK THERES ENOUGH VIOLENCE IN THIS COUNTRY WITHOUT HAVING TO POTENTIALLY ADD TO IT , THE CENSOR MADE A GOOD DECESION AND I SUPPORT IT

[Indiana_Jones]

If someone can't tell the difference between a game and real life they have some fucking issues.

-Indy

[Finn]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3724613a7873,00.html

I am not happy. :angry: Gonna have to do something.

-Indy

What like buy one from the internet dumbass?

[MattRSK]

There is a $2000 fine for anyone found with the game. Its 5.00 in the morning haha.

[Skyryder]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3724613a7873,00.html

I am not happy. :angry: Gonna have to do something.

-Indy

My sentiments entirely. I have never played the game and going by mrpeanuts description of the game I am unlikely to do so. However if IJ choses to play this game then he should have that right............but for whatever that has been taken away from him. One set of values have been used to overide another set. But there is a relevent point here on censorship that those that believe that this game should be banned seemed to have missed; censorship has been applied to someones imagination. I J plays this game for enjoyment, rap while I don't like it is a type of music that some people enjoy. Both the lyrics of rap and the outcome of the game are the result of imagination. This is a far cry from pornograpy where degregation takes place to varying degrees and in the worst kind of kind of porn criminal acts take place. Should books that describe events that are unlawfu be banned. At present I'm reading the Historian. This is about Vlad the Impaler. Pretty bloody graphic prose should this be banned? Should comics that picture events that are unlawfull or sadistic (Marvel comics come to mind) be banned. So the game also has some sadistic elements to it. Not my idea of entertainment..............but since no suffering of any kind takes place I can not see the point of censorship.
Neither should a game. Hell walk into any games arcade and you see games being played that if carried out on the street you'd be locked up for life. Should we ban arcade games soley on violence content.? Who does not like a good shoot'em up??

I think society as a whole needs to give careful consideration before it condones the censorship of the imagination.

Skyryder

[sAsLEX]

There is a $2000 fine for anyone found with the game. Its 5.00 in the morning haha.

How are we meant to know its banned?! They havent sent me a letter, so we my cousin sends me a copy from overseas.......

[hXc]

Postal, Postal2, and Man Hunt: Anybody have these games? I used to have Postal2 but lost it.

This PC nanny state bullshit is getting worse by the minute! As Skyryder stated: It's someone's imagination and they're taking it away. "My brain giveth, my country taketh away."

And if people can't tell the difference between a game and reality, then they are mentally unfit. And therefore, shouldn't be in a normal environment where they can cause harm to other people. But PC sucks, so instead of taking the harmful people out, they take the normal people's fun away. Bastards.

Rant over

[Lou Girardin]

Bloody sick crap. If you play stuff like this you have a problem.

[hXc]

If you play stuff like this you have a problem.
Can you back that statement up?

[Smokin]

Ive got postal 2 running with sizzors somewhere, unless I biffed it. The novalty ran out pretty quickly and the game actually was generally crap...

You hit the nail on the head there mate, It was only installed for a couple of days here, Fun to start with but wore off quickly.

[sAsLEX]

You hit the nail on the head there mate, It was only installed for a couple of days here, Fun to start with but wore off quickly.

I clocked one of the postals as it was the only game i had a the time.


Whats worse seeing some made up stuff on the computer?

Or watching the family violoence etc that occurs in many of the homes around new zealand, babies Kahu?

[Lias]

I have copies of Postal 2 and Manhunt around here somewhere.. Also downloaded a few "banned movies" to see what all the fuss was about (Visitor Q and Baise Moi). Totally failed to see why any of them was banned..

I've been playing computer games, most of them violent since a young age. As have most of my work colleagues. Were geeks, its what we do. Yet none of us has ever gone on a postal rampage and killed all our co-workers, hell most of my colleagues dont even have crimincal records :-)

Anyone who says playing violent videos games makes you a psychopath is the same sort off anally retentive christian moral majority plonkers who said exactly the same thing about playing Dungeons and Dragons or listening to Judas Priest.

In short, up yours to anyone who approves of censorship like this, and may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your genitals.

Rant over, now i'm annoyed so I need to go slaughter some innocent police officers in a game banned, of which many also let you kill piggies.

[WINJA]

My sentiments entirely. However if IJ choses to play this game then he should have that right............but for whatever that has been taken away from him. One set of values have been used to overide another set.

I think society as a whole needs to give careful consideration before it condones the censorship of the imagination.

Skyryder
WHAT ABOUT CHILD PORN ? SHOULD THAT BE BANNED OR CENSORED? WHAT ABOUT THE KIDDY FIDDLERS RIGHTS? THIS GAME WAS BANNED FOR THE PUBLICS GOOD NOT THE SICKO GAMERS GOOD , JUST PLAY SOMETHING ELSE

[thehollowmen]

I wouldn't be surprised to see this on trademe, as pre-orders from international companies will still be shipped out.

[Lias]

WHAT ABOUT CHILD PORN ? SHOULD THAT BE BANNED OR CENSORED? WHAT ABOUT THE KIDDY FIDDLERS RIGHTS? THIS GAME WAS BANNED FOR THE PUBLICS GOOD NOT THE SICKO GAMERS GOOD , JUST PLAY SOMETHING ELSE
Comparing child molestation to computer games is retarded, even for you Winja. Kiddie fuckers hurt children, gamers sitting in front of a PC dont. Simple really.

PS: If anyone else wants to complain about this decision:
http://www.censorship.govt.nz/feedback.asp

This was what I submited:
I just want to know why Bill Hastings thinks mature, adult gamers shouldnt be allowed to play violent video games. No one interferes with what he and his boyfriend do in the privacy of their home, why should he interfere in what I do in the privacy of my computer room? Banning any computer game, purely for its level of violence is unacceptable, not to mention completely futile because it WILL be downloaded by any geek who wants to play it, just like Postal 2 and Manhunt were. All your really doing is supporting Piracy LOL.

[Ixion]

There is a sound argument that can be made for having no censorship. I personally do have reservations when governments start banning things "for the public good".

You ask whether kiddyporn should be banned? Well, I will turn that back, by asking you why it should?

Should things be banned because you think they are nasty? Many , on that basis, would ban anything sexual.

Do you want to look at kiddyporn? I am sure you do not, and nor do most people. So the ban is hardly for the public benefit , is it. As far as the general public are concerned the ban means nothing since they are disinterested in the subject matter.

So is that the justification for the ban? That "mainstream NZ" is not interested in the subject, and considers it "nasty". The same argument could be made for banning all homosexual content.

Or is the justification, that people will become child abusers if the stuff is not banned? But, if "normal" (emotively loaded word, but necessary shorthand) people will not bother to look at it, how can that be? Or is the argument that kiddyfiddlers, if deprived of their "porno fix" will abandon their kiddyfiddling ways and turn "straight".Which seems improbable , but I am open to convincing, if evidence can be provided.

In the case of "Reservoir Dogs" (which I know nothing about , except what has been discussed here), is it banned because "normal" people might somehow be "exposed" to it, and it somehow will turn "normal" folk into mass murderers? Or because those who intend to go out on a murder rampage will be prevented from doing so by not being able to view it?

Is Mr Indiana Jones a potential mass murderer, saved from himself by a benevolent Government ban? Or a harmless soul who would have been turned INTO a mass murderer had he played this game? Or neither?

If I should happen to watch over Mr Jones shoulder and see this game, would it turn ME into a mass murderer?

Has ANYONE ever been turned into a mass murderer by playing a video game? Or have any potential mass murderer ever been prevented from murderous rampage by inability to access a video game?

"I am not interested in that, and I don't like the subject" is not IMHO a valid basis for censorship (or moderation either, but that's another topic)

[Lou Girardin]

Can you back that statement up?

The US Army uses video training to dehumanise the 'enemy'. Makes it easier to kill people.
The whole vid game industry caters to peoples darker fantasies, it make the step to reality a little easier for those inclined that way.

[onearmedbandit]

So do comics, movies, tv, advertising. I remember reading those small war comics as a child, wonder why I never went out and bagged me a few Germans?

[Ixion]

The US Army uses video training to dehumanise the 'enemy'. Makes it easier to kill people.
The whole vid game industry caters to peoples darker fantasies, it make the step to reality a little easier for those inclined that way.

Like "Ghostrider"? Should that also be banned?

[onearmedbandit]

Ban the internet as well, I've seen some dodgey stuff on that. I might go out and try to replicate it, and of course it's not fault...

Bring back personal responsibility.

[inlinefour]

I clocked one of the postals as it was the only game i had a the time.


Whats worse seeing some made up stuff on the computer?

Or watching the family violoence etc that occurs in many of the homes around new zealand, babies Kahu?

Im comparing them to games I do like: BF2 & SF, Colin Mcrae 05, HL2, Doom3 etc etc. Have a look for yourself, the amount of development going into the cheesy games is minimal...:doobey:

[inlinefour]

Ban the internet as well, I've seen some dodgey stuff on that. I might go out and try to replicate it, and of course it's not fault...

Bring back personal responsibility.

That little phucker that threw the concrete onto the motorway is a prime example. I don't care if he did not think about the carnage he was about to release. The concept of "know me before you judge me" can be shved right where the sun dont shine. About time that the powers that be realise that the PC world is shyte and start putting responsibiity ahead of rights...

[Smokin]

Just heard an interview on the news that they will prosecute anyone that they find with this game to the full extent of the law.
Damn it must have upset the reviewing dude something fierce.

[inlinefour]

Just heard an interview on the news that they will prosecute anyone that they find with this game to the full extent of the law.
Damn it must have upset the reviewing dude something fierce.

Sounds like just another way that Aunty Helen can collect more tax...

[Lou Girardin]

Like "Ghostrider"? Should that also be banned?

That's a little leap from scoring points according to how many cops you kill.

[Ixion]

The question, though, was not the value judgement of the content, but rather whether watching antisocial behaviour of any sort in a video, will reflect in actually carrying out that antisocial behaviour in real life? The paradigm should be valid whether the behaviour is the extreme of kiddyporn or RD, or the lesser anti-socialism of GR.

[ZeroIndex]

I have heard of copies of Postal, Postal2, and Man Hunt circulating, so no doubt this will as well. Not that I'd ever consider having an illegal game on my computer.
i had Postal2 a while ago, and i currently have the ISOs of ManHunt.. Resevoir Dogs should be good (if someone downloads it and gives it to me)

[Indiana_Jones]

It's nice to see some people thinking on the same lines as myself. Like it's been said, why should we loose out on the choice to play a game because they think some retard might copy it.

-Indy

[ZeroIndex]

It's nice to see some people thinking on the same lines as myself. Like it's been said, why should we loose out on the choice to play a game because they think some retard might copy it.

-Indy
all they're really doing is encouraging piracy.. if a person wants a game, they'll get it no matter what..

[Skyryder]

WHAT ABOUT CHILD PORN ? SHOULD THAT BE BANNED OR CENSORED? WHAT ABOUT THE KIDDY FIDDLERS RIGHTS? THIS GAME WAS BANNED FOR THE PUBLICS GOOD NOT THE SICKO GAMERS GOOD , JUST PLAY SOMETHING ELSE

Read my post again. The bit about the difference between someones imagination and a criminal act.

Skyryder

[onearmedbandit]

Who remembers the game 'Road Rash'? You got points for riding your motorbike through city streets knocking other riders off using crowbars, numchuks, and swift boots to the body. I know I'll never forget the hordes of motorcyclist rampaging through the city re-enacting what they had seen in the game.

[MattRSK]

Hey I think you have all bought up some valid points and arguments. Really at the end of the day, the game will be easily attainable because its on a computer. Really you have personal responsibility as to whether you play the game or not. Ixion, Skyryder and a few others sound pretty wise. Shot. :rockon:

[Kickaha]

Who remembers the game 'Road Rash'? You got points for riding your motorbike through city streets knocking other riders off using crowbars, numchuks, and swift boots to the body. I know I'll never forget the hordes of motorcyclist rampaging through the city re-enacting what they had seen in the game.

Still got that here somewhere if you'd like to borrow it, just as a matter of interest how do you get on swinging a chain?

[Indoo]

Should we also allow games where you can run around raping women or sexually molesting children?

Where do you draw the line.

[onearmedbandit]

That is different based solely on its sexual content. We've probably all at some stage in our lives either considered killing someone or said 'fuck I'm gonna kill him' (everything from being ripped off to the sexual predator you've just read about in the paper), but I think not many of us would've thought seriously about raping a woman or molesting a child.

[onearmedbandit]

Still got that here somewhere if you'd like to borrow it, just as a matter of interest how do you get on swinging a chain?

Just gotta be a bit quicker on the draw.

[SkOrM]

ive played Manhunt some time ago.... its the same sort of violence you would see in a horror flick.. and they arn't banned.

[Ixion]

Should we also allow games where you can run around raping women or sexually molesting children?

Where do you draw the line.

Would you want to play such a game? Quad erat demonstrandum.

[Quasievil]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3724613a7873,00.html

I am not happy. :angry: Gonna have to do something.

-Indy

Good fucken Job, ban that and a few others I say, absolutely no loss to anything or anyone other than those that endorse the continuing breakdown of decent human structure and respect

[Quasievil]

PS what sought of wanker makes a game like that anyway, where you run around shooting cops for fuck sake

[Skyryder]

Should we also allow games where you can run around raping women or sexually molesting children?

Where do you draw the line.

The line is drawn between the game and reality.

Skyryder

[scumdog]

The line is drawn between the game and reality.

Skyryder

For some that line is a tad blurred - seriously!

Columbine.

[scumdog]

It's nice to see some people thinking on the same lines as myself. Like it's been said, why should we loose out on the choice to play a game because they think some retard might copy it.

-Indy

Why should we lose out on the chance to have a sub-machine gun because they think a retard might use it on people??

[Skyryder]

For some that line is a tad blurred - seriously!

Columbine.

Columbine was a product of the Second Ammendment: the right to bear arms. The perpertarators had social problems a lot more serious than playing violent PC games..................serioulsy.

Mind you I sort of wonder what would be bikers response to a game that cages got points for knocking bikes off the road. Sometimes SD drawing the line is not as easy as it seems.

Skyryder

[Ixion]

Why should we lose out on the chance to have a sub-machine gun because they think a retard might use it on people??

I have often asked that question.

[Skyryder]

Why should we lose out on the chance to have a sub-machine gun because they think a retard might use it on people??

A sub-machine gun is a weapon of war and it's purpose is to use on people. Seems a good enough reason for me. Actualy I think registed gun collectors can own them..............but not having much interest in this I may be wrong. Am I??

Skyryder

[onearmedbandit]

Lets ban music while we're at it too. That spawn of Satan evil band Judas Priest should've been held responsible for those two kids putting shotguns in their mouths. Fuck yeah, wasn't due to any other reason, JP made them do it.

[Lias]

Already had one PM so for anyone who wants em, ED2K links to Manhunt

ed2k://|file|Manhunt%20Cd1%20Pc%20Razor1911%20Gamedonkey% 20Net.rar|764872897|76CC0AF47F53989E1BC1175A339CA7 2F|/
ed2k://|file|Manhunt%20Cd2%20Pc%20Razor1911%20Gamedonkey% 20Net.rar|768095738|06090A3CCFF1AAB9536157D1DE5E62 44|/
ed2k://|file|Manhunt%20Cd3%20Pc%20Razor1911%20Gamedonkey% 20Net.rar|410792719|A2C4E5B54CF51DFD66FDA235E33E36 AB|/

Postal 2:
ed2k://|file|(PC%20GAME)%20Postal%202.zip|591009014|10681 86368FCB91964C984986A57B481|/

Visitor Q:
ed2k://|file|Visitor%20Q%20-%20Bizita%20Q%20(2001)%20[Takashi%20Miike].avi|733794304|880E674294DECE66079C5E2AB634FB06|/

Baise Moi:
ed2k://|file|Baise-moi.(DVD.Rip).-.DivX.Francais.teste.avi|732721152|51ED7A4227D3F0A C044C83CA2290D11B|/

A pox apon the censors and the small minded fools who agree with them.

[thehollowmen]

Why should we lose out on the chance to have a sub-machine gun because they think a retard might use it on people??

Clicky (http://olegvolk.net/gallery/technology/arms/before1934_7305.jpg.html)

You'll like the photography SD.

I don't know what is causing people to act like idiots in this day and age but I don't know if it is video games.

I think a bigger problem is a lack of decent parenting.

Bring on the breeder licenses.

[Ghost Lemur]

I quite enjoyed the original Postal.

Although pissing of hookers til they puked wore off pretty quickly. I did thoroughly enjoy taking out Gary Coleman. Damn, he was a seriously hard little fucker to kill.

As for the whole cencorship debate. What I've seen in this thread is exactly why I agree totally with Comrad Ixion.

I seriously think a kiddy porn version of Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law) exists. I've yet to see a debate on censorship not revert (by the pro-censor brigade) to comparing whatever was censored to kiddy porn, and therefore somehow (illogically) try to compare the person who thinks the sensored item shouldn't have been banned condones kiddy-fucking.

[Squeak the Rat]

Technology is slowly blurring the line between imagination and reality....

[onearmedbandit]

Only too those whose vision is already blurred. See, I can tell quite easily the difference between pushing a button on my mouse to 'fire' a gun at someone, and actually obtaining a weapon in real life and shooting at people from my car.

[Squeak the Rat]

Not arguing that, but I'm wondering what it will be like in x years time when when the gaming nirvana of virtual reality becomes what it promises - virtually indistinguishable from reality....

[The_Dover]

I'm not really an advocate of censorship so I find it hard to agree with the banning of a computer game, whatever the content.

I do think that personal responsibility is a huge factor in this sort of situation but the nanny state we live in these days, along with the PC bullshit ("it wasn't his fault, he hard a tough upbringing"), is more responsible for the behaviour of these fuckwits than the seeds planted by uncensored violence.

Perhaps if the drongos that glorify and get a hard on for this crap saw perpetrators of real violence being publicly executed then their understanding of individual accountability might be heightened??

Rather than the fine upstanding revenue collectors taking an age to catch them and the justice system giving them 3 square meals, sky tv and heated floors.

[Ixion]

Not arguing that, but I'm wondering what it will be like in x years time when when the gaming nirvana of virtual reality becomes what it promises - virtually indistinguishable from reality....

It is always distinguishable from reality. In reality, it hurts when they shoot back at you.

[Squeak the Rat]

It is always distinguishable from reality. In reality, it hurts when they shoot back at you.
At the present time yes. But it is entirely feasible that at some point in the future technology could be employed to cause pain in a virtual reality environment.

I'm not talking about boring old screens, keyboards and mice. I'm talking about tapping into the brain, where senses are tricked into seeing, hearing and feeling stimuli that exists nowhere but in your head (and the computer). [the movie existenz comes to mind]

Get shot? Trick the brain into feeling the pain. Would the pain be real? Take it a step further, if it's a fatal shot trick the brain into stopping your heart beating.....

Every year video games get more realistic. One day they could very well be almost indistinguishable from reality. At what point along that continuum do we draw the line, if at all?

[onearmedbandit]

I think when we starting tapping into the central nervous system with computers, video games are going to be the least of your worries.

[spudchucka]

That is different based solely on its sexual content. We've probably all at some stage in our lives either considered killing someone or said 'fuck I'm gonna kill him' (everything from being ripped off to the sexual predator you've just read about in the paper), but I think not many of us would've thought seriously about raping a woman or molesting a child.
So its ok to fantasise about or imagine murdering somebody but not raping them?? I'm afraid you are fucked in the head if you do either!

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah I'd feel like killing someone if they harmed my family, I'd feel like killing someone if they stole my bike, I'd feel like killing someone if they ripped me off big time. Only feel though, not actually carry it out. Maybe in the heat of the moment if I found a molester standing over my childs lifeless body I would kill, be damned the consequences. But I've never imagined raping a child or woman. You're 'fucked in the head' if you can not see the difference.

Who here has ever muttered the words or thought to themselves, 'I'd kill that cu#t'? I dear say a high percentage, maybe even you spudchucka?

Who here has ever muttered the words or thought to themselves, 'I'd rape that woman or child'? I hope no-one.

There is a difference spudchucka.

[Squeak the Rat]

OAB - you are justifying murder and torture in games, yet denouncing rape etc, based on your expectation of peoples thoughts, attitudes and behaviours, and your concepts of whats right and whats wrong.

That is what the censors were doing when they banned the game.......

[onearmedbandit]

I wouldn't think it's only my thoughts, I think you'd find it's pretty common across the line of game players. I know plenty of gamers, have played postal and manhunt myself as well. Pretty boring games in all honesty, kill a few people and that's it. But out of all the people I know who have ever played a violent game (including my sweet wife) not one of them would find a game involving rape or child molestation of any appeal whatsoever. Period.

Getting back to the original arguement, it's bleedin obvious it's a game. When I drive my car on the streets, I don't drive it like GTA. When I come to a cliff edge, and there is something just out of reach, I don't jump off the edge to grab it and and fall 10x my height and lose a few health points. When I ride my bike I don't swing a chain and try to collect other motorcyclists like Road Rash. When I get into a fight I don't perform a kill manouvre and rip out their still beating heart from their chest. I'm yet to walk down a street to find a giant monkey throwing barrels at me.

You want to ban games that involve violence and murder? Do you? Well you better start book burning as well, take all types of music off of the shelves (everything from country through to rap), banning movies, tv, newspapers etc. Fuck, I've learnt more from watching reality tv programs on burglaries, police chases, getting away with murder (CSI etc) than any game has taught me. These programs show you how to do it by showing how to get caught. Video games are a break from reality, these shows deal directly with it.

Suzuki built a motorcycle capable of 280km/h. I'm going to sue them when I get caught speeding.
Dunhill make my cigarettes. I'm going to sue them if I get lung cancer.
Stanely make knives. I'm going to sue them if I cut myself.
This keyboard is hurting my wrist. I'm going to sue Microsift when I get RSI.

Because I can not look after myself. I need help from myself. I need protecting from myself. I need a nanny state where every possible harm is taken away from me.

No I don't.

[Squeak the Rat]

You want to ban games that involve violence and murder? Do you?
No I don't, and i never said i did. I'm fairly anti-censorship. But I am genuinely intrigued about peoples reaction to it. Either you have censorship based on a subjective opinion of what's good, or you don't. You can't argue that censorship is good but the levels too high or low because there are so many different opinions.

By your logic a game about fiddling with kiddies wouldn't encourage any one to actually go out and do that.....

Yes, you'd have to be a sick fuck to play it, but believe it or not a large percentage of the population say the same about Resevoir Dogs.....


Having said that your idea of banning reality tv does have it's merits......:yes:

[The_Dover]

I kinda figured you wouldn't be a Port Royal man OAB.

[onearmedbandit]

I kinda figured you wouldn't be a Port Royal man OAB.

Style baby, it's all about style.

[onearmedbandit]

No I don't, and i never said i did.

Wasn't aimed at you specifically. But there are those that want to.



By your logic a game about fiddling with kiddies wouldn't encourage any one to actually go out and do that.....

Anyone who is going to go and commit those crimes doesn't need a game to encourage them. It might act as a catalyst, but the seed was already there. And with those people anything could be a catalyst. Like the pre-school up the road.




Having said that your idea of banning reality tv does have it's merits......:yes:

We agree on that much at least.

[Skyryder]

Who here has ever muttered the words or thought to themselves, 'I'd kill that cu#t'? I dear say a high percentage, maybe even you spudchucka?

Who here has ever muttered the words or thought to themselves, 'I'd rape that woman or child'? I hope no-one.

There is a difference spudchucka.

That's a nice analogy. Wish I'd thought of it.


Skyryder

[Lou Girardin]

Only too those whose vision is already blurred. See, I can tell quite easily the difference between pushing a button on my mouse to 'fire' a gun at someone, and actually obtaining a weapon in real life and shooting at people from my car.

Unless you're like the cretin who dropped a boulder on the car and killed the driver.
He wanted to be 'famous'. When he told his equally cretinous mates, he said he was 'ruthless'.
I'd be happy to see him a withered old man rotting in a cell.
If we can have restrictions based on the lowest common denominator for driving, why shouldn't we have the same for entertainment?

[The_Dover]

I'd like to see how 'ruthless' he'd be in a locked room with the rest of Chris Curries rugby squad.

[Smokin]

Video games have made permanent impressions in my mind,

As a child i loved playing Frogger and to this day i still go out dodgeing traffic, That game has obviously effected others as well because they are constantly trying to run me down.

[Squeak the Rat]

Video games have made permanent impressions in my mind,

As a child i loved playing Frogger and to this day i still go out dodgeing traffic, That game has obviously effected others as well because they are constantly trying to run me down.
If video games affect people so much then how come half of Gen X weren't all running around in dark rooms munching pills and listening to repetitive music...?

[Smokin]

If video games affect people so much then how come half of Gen X weren't all running around in dark rooms munching pills and listening to repetitive music...?

I take it you havn't been to Gore?

[Lou Girardin]

If video games affect people so much then how come half of Gen X weren't all running around in dark rooms munching pills and listening to repetitive music...?

Bugger the rep restrictions.:laugh:

[Lias]

If video games affect people so much then how come half of Gen X weren't all running around in dark rooms munching pills and listening to repetitive music...?

You've obviously never been to a Rave :-P

[Skyryder]

I heard much the same sentiments about comics when I was a kid as I'm hearing now from those oppposing this game PC games. I've heard much the same when rock 'n' roll first became popular. In the sixties flower power was the evil philosophy of its day. Now it's PC games. Hell there are some people who even advocate that motocycles lead to anti social behavour. By far the majority of us grow out of our youth and move on to other things. Some of us come back but we are no worse for it. A PC game is nothing more than one of two things................you either win or lose. This is the world that we all live in.....................lets not turn this game into something that it is not.

Skyryder

[onearmedbandit]

Well said Skyryder.

[Indiana_Jones]

Quote:
Personal Responsibility People. Bring it back.

-Indy

[Brett]

A lot of you are missing the point. Most of the people on here would be considered moral and socially conscieous people. Not everyone is the same. There are lots of people, especially those who may suffer a mental disease that struggle to distinguish the difference between fantasy and reality.

Have you not noticed how badly violence is on the rise here? I read about 3 separate murders in todays paper! You cant risk arguing with anyone in the public now days for fear of being stabbed or the like. (sounds similar to home really). What is the next step...people carry personal fire arms.

How can you miss the fact that de-sensitising of our generations fo violence etc. is directly related to the activities that they are involved with. It isn't only adults that play the games, it is impressionable kids who struggle to dis-associate fantasy and reality.

I am happy to let someone live their live how they want, but when their fantasy becomes my reality, that is when i get pissed.

I am glad that such a sadistic and evil game has been banned. I dont want to see this beautiful country follow down the path of my home land of South Africa.

[Brett]

Columbine was a product of the Second Ammendment: the right to bear arms. The perpertarators had social problems a lot more serious than playing violent PC games..................serioulsy.


Skyryder

And they practised playing quake and doom. NOthing even remotely close to reservoire dogs.

[onearmedbandit]

Of course, violence has only been around for 60-70yrs. Nothing to do with the increase in media coverage, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, etc. Did you know that some people use guns for killing people. Should ban all those as well, don't want to see NZ ending up like South Africa.

[onearmedbandit]

And they practised playing quake and doom. NOthing even remotely close to reservoire dogs.

So if those games were not available that event never would've happened? Or would they just have been worse shots??

[The_Dover]

I dunno OAB, I'm a crackshot with a real firearm. Even had my first class marksman badge.

But I'm shit at computer games and constantly get wasted by fat nerds that cant get laid. Where's my real gun?

[Brett]

So if those games were not available that event never would've happened? Or would they just have been worse shots??

No, of course saying that would be silly. The fact stands, de-sensitisation is de-sensitisation. Take this for examply, tho obviously may be a tad OTT:

MIddle aged man with mental disorder, such as Paranoid Pschtzo with natural violent tendancies, or someone who sometimes sees the fantasy/reality line a bit blurred, enjoys a bit of escapism into a fantasy world where they can hurt, kill, maim people etc.

Finds one day that while smacking a woman around and mollesting her on the PC that he gets a hard on. Enter stage left, movies and porn that depicts sexual violence. One day this is no longer enough, and he has to push the boundaries a little bit further to stimulate his mind. Don't have to be very smart to see the natural progression!

Same thing as riding a bike OAB. When you got your first bike, it would most likely not have been the mighty Gixxer! But that little machine FELT like a demon on two wheels no doubt, i know my ZXR did anyway. As time goes on, the more you ride the more you get used to the speed...so you upgrade bikes.

Now, some of us learn to control our urges (most of the time) and don;t ride everywhere like morons, however some people (some of my own mates) struggle to control themselves and the speeds at which they ride.
I am sure you can see the parrallel.

I am no PC person, i am really quite anti PC BS. I am strongly capitalist, like my freedom, love guns, bikes, cars, speed etc. My favourite bands are Tool and APC. However games like this don't fall into the category of PC Bullshit. It is protecting the minds of those among us who are not able to protect themselves.
I am not asking you to agree with me, i am just saying that i am glad that it isn't going to be readily available.

[Smokin]

A lot of you are missing the point. Most of the people on here would be considered moral and socially conscieous people. Not everyone is the same. There are lots of people, especially those who may suffer a mental disease that struggle to distinguish the difference between fantasy and reality.

Why should one person have the right to punish your average mentally stable kiwi of a game that he/she wishes to play in the privacy of his their home.

Im a very broad minded bloke that plays alot of pc games and I dont have a problem with them but just lately we have been watching quite a few hired DVD titles and some of them had me cringing, How is your person that suffers with a mental disease going to distinguish between fantasy and reality with the dvd he/she hires out or the next program on television?

I would have thought that playing as a pixelated characture on a monitor was mild compaired to ultra life like special effects of movies like "SAW" for example.

And then we have violent mentally unstable certified people being sent back into the community by our government and yet they are telling us that we should give them another chance and welcome them as our neighbor.

[Brett]

I would have thought that playing as a pixelated characture on a monitor was mild compaired to ultra life like special effects of movies like "SAW" for example.

And then we have violent mentally unstable certified people being sent back into the community by our government and yet they are telling us that we should give them another chance and welcome them as our neighbor.

Yep that is a good point. We release people from the slammer that really should be locked up in the padded cell still.

We are going to suffer either way! If we ban the game, some people suffer not being able to play it, or being prosecuted if they do obtain it. On the other hand, we all suffer as our society and social conscience is quickly eroded and mutilated.

[Lias]

Yep that is a good point. We release people from the slammer that really should be locked up in the padded cell still.

We are going to suffer either way! If we ban the game, some people suffer not being able to play it, or being prosecuted if they do obtain it. On the other hand, we all suffer as our society and social conscience is quickly eroded and mutilated.
I say we let the sane play whatever sodding games they like, and put the seriously mentally ill down like rabid dogs.

[onearmedbandit]

Brett, I'm not denying what you're saying, but as Smokin states why should a small group of people (who no doubt will get their 'motivation' from other forms) deny me the ability to purchase a video game that is considered violent, sick by some.

Now I haven't said anywhere in this thread what my feelings are regarding this specific title. I haven't played it, I've only read the media beat-up so I can't comment on it. So I'll play it no doubt at some stage, but I won't actively seek the game out. I've played ManHunt and Postal 2, very boring games with no real appeal other that a bit of humour (it's a game people, get over it.). But I will play it just to see what the fuss is about.

[Ixion]

An equally good case culd be made that such games allow the mentally unstable to act out their fantasies in a safe and not-harmful-to-others environment. I'd rather have a nutter getting his jollies playing a computer game, rather than getting more and more wired until he goes out and plays it out for real, with real people. Escapism can be a valuable safety valve.

Moreover, if someone is that mentally unstable, they should (a) be under observation, whether in an institution or in the community ; and (b) if such games are deemed unwise for them that is a condition of their release into the community - just like "no alcohol, no drugs", "no alcohol, no drugs , no computer games".

[onearmedbandit]

Moreover, if someone is that mentally unstable, they should (a) be under observation, whether in an institution or in the community ; and (b) if such games are deemed unwise for them that is a condition of their release into the community - just like "no alcohol, no drugs", "no alcohol, no drugs , no computer games".


Ahhh, the voice of reason.

[Lias]

Ahhh, the voice of reason.
Quick! Block your ears!

[Indiana_Jones]

Those dudes on the battlefield of Waterloo must of played too many games.

-Indy

[Brett]

Brett, I'm not denying what you're saying, but as Smokin states why should a small group of people (who no doubt will get their 'motivation' from other forms) deny me the ability to purchase a video game that is considered violent, sick by some.

Now I haven't said anywhere in this thread what my feelings are regarding this specific title. I haven't played it, I've only read the media beat-up so I can't comment on it. So I'll play it no doubt at some stage, but I won't actively seek the game out. I've played ManHunt and Postal 2, very boring games with no real appeal other that a bit of humour (it's a game people, get over it.). But I will play it just to see what the fuss is about.

Fair enough, and i appreciate your point of view.

[Brett]

Moreover, if someone is that mentally unstable, they should (a) be under observation, whether in an institution or in the community ; and (b) if such games are deemed unwise for them that is a condition of their release into the community - just like "no alcohol, no drugs", "no alcohol, no drugs , no computer games".

With that I agree 100%. But unfortuanately, we both know that that sort of control is not an option here. But I agree, that would be considered a suitable option. But what about people, such as kids, that really shouldn't be exposed to that sort of violence? Once they are not so influencial it is a different story. But how would you protect young eyes and ears?

[Skyryder]

And they practised playing quake and doom. NOthing even remotely close to reservoire dogs.

Practise..........DID I HEAR YOU SAY PRACTICE?? In DOOM the bad guys fired back. THE COLUMBINE STUDENTS WERE UNARMED. BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE. DON'T NEED ANY "PRACTICE" AGAINST UNARMED STUDENTS


Skyryder

[Brett]

Moreover, if someone is that mentally unstable, they should (a) be under observation, whether in an institution or in the community ; and (b) if such games are deemed unwise for them that is a condition of their release into the community - just like "no alcohol, no drugs", "no alcohol, no drugs , no computer games".

With that I agree 100%. But unfortuanately, we both know that that sort of control is not an option here. But I agree, that would be considered a suitable option. But what about people, such as kids, that really shouldn't be exposed to that sort of violence? Once they are not so influencial it is a different story. But how would you protect young eyes and ears?

[Indiana_Jones]

Good parenting?

-Indy

[Brett]

In an ideal world. Been to South Auckland lately? I wish it were like that tho Indy.

[Indiana_Jones]

Yeah true, those people shouldn't be aloud to breath let alone breed

-Indy

[Skyryder]

I am glad that such a sadistic and evil game has been banned. I dont want to see this beautiful country follow down the path of my home land of South Africa.

So arpathied was the product of PC games.............or was it the ANC philosophy of one man one vote.

LETS BAN SNAKES AND LADDERS.................SOME KID MIGHT BE INFLUENCED AND CLIMB UP A LADDER AND INJURE THEMSELVES................ LETS BAN PIN THE TAIL ON THE PONY. iT MIGHT ENCOURGAE ANIMAL CRUELTY........................ LETS BAN SPIN THE BOTTLE. PROMISCUITY WILL DISSAPEAR...................... LETS BAN MOTORCYCLE RACING AND WE WON'T SPEED............you can justify banning all things.................but in doing so you only produce a tyrinacal society.

Skyryder

[The_Dover]

And then we have violent mentally unstable certified people being sent back into the community by our government and yet they are telling us that we should give them another chance and welcome them as our neighbor.

Know me before you judge me.

[Brett]

So arpathied was the product of PC games.............or was it the ANC philosophy of one man one vote.

Skyryder

No, quite clearly apartheid was not a product of PC Games. And the ANC comment has a lot more depth to it than that. yes the national party have SHITLOADS to answer for, treating another race like that is abhorrent. But on the other hand, the dynamics of S.A. go well and beyond apartheid, in fact the roles have reveresed now days.

[Brett]

Know me before you judge me.
LOL...good call.

[Skyryder]

No, quite clearly apartheid was not a product of PC Games. And the ANC comment has a lot more depth to it than that. yes the national party have SHITLOADS to answer for, treating another race like that is abhorrent. But on the other hand, the dynamics of S.A. go well and beyond apartheid, in fact the roles have reveresed now days.

So why the the orignal SA comment on a thread on PC games??

Skyryder

PS Did not mean to shout. My rep here is sarcasm (I call it wit) not not noise. Was playing around with font size and clicked the wrong button.

[Brett]

The S.A. comment comes only from watching the level of violence rise here. And some similar social issues that drove South Africa. In any case, you guys have made some good points, i feel i have made some good points, now i am tired of debating...I don't care quite this much about it! Having your view is entirely your right.

[Skyryder]

However games like this don't fall into the category of PC Bullshit. It is protecting the minds of those among us who are not able to protect themselves.

Is this one of your good points??

Skyryder

[Brett]

Is this one of your good points??

Skyryder

I like to think so.

[SlowHand]

Chew,

Toby Chew...

[Indiana_Jones]

Madonna's big dick in one ear

-Indy

[SlowHand]

How many dicks is that

[Indiana_Jones]

alot.

-Indy