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N4CR
9th July 2006, 00:57
http://www.whatthebleep.com/herald3/issue3-articles-2.shtml

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/Firestorm.html

Can't find his original website.. probably been bought out by spark plug companies. Anyone got any ideas to back this design up or is it all b/s? It's been around for at least 2 years. Saw it a while ago.

A small discussion here. http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2684&#37196 Not much though.

Could be easily replicated i'd say if anyone wants to have a go. With dynos/tuning we could proove it yay or nay. The great kiwibiker challenge..

Fatjim
9th July 2006, 08:37
Got to be legit, the following sealed it for me

"If it is a difficult haul developing something as mundane as a new sparkplug, imagine the hurdles Tiller faces manufacturing a bio-feedback device he has developed, which can literally measure the level of intent during a meditative state. A magnetic analogue of a voltmeter, Tiller’s unit represents the Holy Grail of alternative science: a device capable of measuring the effects of consciousness on the fabric of the physical universe."

Man I gotta get one of those for measuring my Zen moments on the tukas.

bobsmith
9th July 2006, 10:06
This sounds a bit stupid, at very high air to fuel ratios, pre-detonation can be caused by hot spots in the engine as well as other things, changing the spark plug definately will not change that. If you got a mixture that high in a hot engine and compressed it, it will probably detonate spontaniously before the spark plug ever gets to fire.

Kickaha
9th July 2006, 10:21
I'd like to see the results of the test done by Bosch

24:1 is Diesel type compression ratios you'd be looking at compression igniton and wouldn't need spark plugs anyway

Motu
9th July 2006, 11:08
No,24:1 is the air/fuel ratio he's talking about.Of course there are no plugs to test...how convienient.Looks a lot like Bosch's much maligned Super 4 - it has 4 earth electrodes and a round centre electrode.Platinum plugs are ''lifetime'' fitment - they get the vehicle out of the warranty period,which is the lietime of the vehicle as far as the manufacturer is concerned.Why would they be worried?

Kickaha
9th July 2006, 11:27
No,24:1 is the air/fuel ratio he's talking about.

Ah yeah silly me, I'll try and pay more attention in the future :lol:

WINJA
9th July 2006, 11:48
http://www.whatthebleep.com/herald3/issue3-articles-2.shtml

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/Firestorm.html

Can't find his original website.. probably been bought out by spark plug companies. Anyone got any ideas to back this design up or is it all b/s? It's been around for at least 2 years. Saw it a while ago.

A small discussion here. http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2684&#37196 Not much though.

Could be easily replicated i'd say if anyone wants to have a go. With dynos/tuning we could proove it yay or nay. The great kiwibiker challenge..
THE SPLIT FIRE PLUGS ARE GOODIN OLDER MOTORS IVE USED A FEW THEN STARTED MAKING MY OWN, I USED TO GET A NORMAL NGK PLUG , STRAIGHTEN THE EARTH TAB THEN SPLIT THE END WITH A SHARP COLD CHISEL ON AN ANVIL , BEND IT BACK GAP IT AND PUT I IN MY SHITTY BIKES

thehollowmen
9th July 2006, 12:23
As somebody who plays with sparks a lot, that picture is a long exposure of.. well.. Hundreds, if not thousands of sparks.

Route of least resistance and all: even in "split fire" plugs you only get one spark jumping the gap with the least resistance. There ain't any way to get more without putting in two spark plugs on different circuits. Split fire plugs are better however when one electrode gums up, the spark will switch to the other electrode.

just look at my avatar... that metal ring was my route of least resistance for that pic.

So if they are lieing about the pic there, I wouldn't be surprised to find them lieing about other things in the article too

EDIT If you want to make your own... (http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/sparkplug.htm)