Advice needed for next bike purchase

[DingDong]

Can anyone help to identify known problems with the following bikes please:
TL1000s
TL1000r
SV1000
z1000 (apart from it being ugly)
Hayabusa


Thanks

[James Deuce]

They're all ugly except for the Z1000.

Rear Damper on TL1000S sux. Could probably do with a steering damper if you are incapable of reading feedback from the bike.

Hayabusa will eat your License.

SV1000 Makes some people sleepy. I like it. Probably not a recommendation.

TL1000R Is cool , but huge.

[Sparky Bills]

BUY A HONDA!!!:innocent:

[James Deuce]

Yeah what he said. The 954 Fireblade is very nice.

[Zapf]

Yeah what he said. The 954 Fireblade is very nice.


lol... what makes you say that ? :innocent:

[Racey Rider]

>known problems..

4 out of 5 of them are made by suzuki...

Should make the choice fairly easy. :corn:

[Mental Trousers]

TLR or Busa

[cowpoos]

They're all ugly except for the Z1000.

Rear Damper on TL1000S sux. Could probably do with a steering damper if you are incapable of reading feedback from the bike.

Hayabusa will eat your License.

SV1000 Makes some people sleepy. I like it. Probably not a recommendation.

TL1000R Is cool , but huge.

yes...tls rear damper is shit...a hell of alot of them now have ohlins rear shocks in the second hand market though!!!

next...I'ld buy a TLs because its faster in every way than a TLR except top speed!!! and thats only marginail...who gives a shit anyway....you ride around with the throttle pinned all the time??? the TLS is lighter...better handling...does easyier wheelies....and it a fucking hoot to ride..in a straight line its faster...and around corners..all my most memorable rides were on my old Tl1000s those bikes rock!!
a SV1000 is a piss poor watered down TLs...dispite the rear damper the TLs will out handle and out ride a SV1000 anyday any where!!!
I wouldn't have a clue about the z1000...but I think ya either love it or hate it when it comes to looks...as for the busa...it big....don't go round corners...but you have some serious power and bragging rights at the pub...and its alos got to be one of the ugliest bikes of all time IMO...

Last thing I'll say is....I regret selling my TLs !!!! should hav kept it and got the gixxer aswell...

[98tls]

TL1000s...rear damper sux but real easy to get rid of,they all have a sterring damper so not a concern,frame has been known to crack around rear damper mount.has been fixed by suzuki by way of a new frame in the past ..not sure if thats an option these days.great motor strong as and in my ones case reliable as hell,the RvS thing has been going on for years..i have ridden both and imho the R feels a hell of alot heavier than the 10kg more than the S that it is.

[imdying]

TL1000s has a reputation for being a widow maker, shakey head and all that, but they were recalled and a damper fitted. Besides, you try riding a GSXR1000 without a damper, I bet that's a bundle of laughs too.

SV is (obviously) better looking (arguably) than the TL, doesn't look like something from the 90's, but that's no surprise either. 300 changes to the TL motor for the SV, including the injection system, makes for a better responding motor with more power where it counts (unless you know somewhere to keep the throttle pinned to stop full time?). The rags seem to think it's a superior handling bike to the TL series, but what would they know... If you read reviews on the Falco/VTR/SV ranges, they consider the handling of each to be a much of a muchness thing (much like the CBR/GSXR/R1 comparisons).

TLs are a great bike though, but there's of course one big thing counting against them... age. They're old, and for $12,500 you can have a brand new SVS with a factory warrranty, it's really a no brainer. Cans are compulsory, and your dealer can remap them quickly and easily with no fuss. That puts you shy of the TLs power still, but not much, and seeing as the ports have an improved design and the valves are 4mm smaller, you get all the benefits associated with improved port air velocity.

I think poos has a reasonably biased opinion in some regards, I've seen some extremely well hussled Busas make excellet progress through twisty sections of road. As for his views on the TL, it appears if some fond memories cloud his judgement.

As far as your original question;
- TLs are old, and have all the problems associated with age (98tls outlines their known faults above). The TLR could do with less weight, but hey, what bike couldn't?
- SVS are ok, but they're a little thing on finish (imho), and due to be replaced by the SV1200 (still a rumour, but the SB class is going 1200, and all the other manufacturers have similar rumours surrounding their 1000cc twin ranges also). Finish isn't a problem if you're not neglectful though
- Z1000, whoever heard of bad 4 cyl kwaka inline four? Great heritage, I imagine the motor is well bullet proof. Styling is a personal thing, and purely up to you
- Hard to say bad things about a busa. Wouldn't buy a new one though, it's a 90s bike, and I'm guessing very very close to retirement... I'd bet a dollar that a new trick one is coming very soon now

[imdying]

Oh yeah, and the TLR is a horn bag! Definitely should have made an SVR :yes:

[Cajun]

well i don;t like twins,

the busa is an awsome machine, pulls like a train, handles bloody well.

Dingdong man just ride them all and see what suits you the best.

I think the z1000 might look a little small with you on it tho

[saul]

TLs cause they rock:blip:

Yep they have got a few niggles, but that is how you get to know a bike and make it your own.:innocent: :blip:

Maybe the bus if I was carrying a pillion all the time.:scooter:

Yep I kept it really clean. hehehe

[MattRSK]

I would reccomend the SV1000. I have ridden with Blacksheep a few times, those things are awesome!!!!, even though its a suzuki.

[cowpoos]

300 changes to the TL motor for the SV, including the injection system, makes for a better responding motor with more power where it counts

no way dude...not wanna knock ya coz your a good cunt...but I had had a demo sv1000 out for 3days while I still owned my TLs and there is a very noticable drop in power every where compared to the TLs...it was smoother though...if you wacked on the throttle on a SV it took a second or so to start making serious progress at any rev's...do the same on a TLs...and its like hello were off!!!! but your right they did make changes and lots of them...most of them to meet euro2 emissions in the motor.




The rags seem to think it's a superior handling bike to the TL series, but what would they know... can you find me a link?



I think poos has a reasonably biased opinion in some regards, I've seen some extremely well hussled Busas make excellet progress through twisty sections of road.

without sounding arrogent...Poo's probaly rides a hell of alot faster than 99% of busa riders so...the 2 times I've riden them...handling to me was one hell of a issue...or the lack of it!
but for other riders...yeah...could be absaloutly fine handling bike I suppose...



umm....your not biased being a SV nut are ya?...lmao

[imdying]

without sounding arrogent...Poo's probaly rides a hell of alot faster than 99% of busa riders so...the 2 times I've riden them...handling to me was one hell of a issue...or the lack of it!
but for other riders...yeah...could be absaloutly fine handling bike I suppose...

umm....your not biased being a SV nut are ya?...lmaoAh ha! There ya have it, it's down to the rider :lol:

Me an SV nut? Naw, I'd never buy another one of them... the quality between the Suzuki twins and fours is light years apart. It's quite apparent after doing a side by side which ones are their flagship models :yes:

But having said that, $20k for a GSXR1000 is a world different from the $12.5k for the SVS...

[kiwifruit]

I dont know bout any problems with the bikes u have listed but i do have an opinion on which one you should get :D

Hayabusa:rockon:

[paturoa]

sv probs:

TPS - needs to be tweaked - simple do it yourself - makes a huge difference to the get up and go that poocows refers to above. Pre - adjustment it has a hesitation, after doing it goes instantly. I also tested a TL and an SV and found opposite ie low to mid range and SV has the go, top end I'd say TL has the advantage - sounds like there is a bit of variance bike to bike.

K3 has naf clutch slave cylinder setup. Basicaly shite from the front sprocket gets around the seal - I'm in the middle of fixing mine by putting in the K4 onwards shite seal - will put up a thread soon.

Suzuki should patent its thin paint technology - cant speak for the others but my paint could be measured in microns.

The bottom style fairing on the s model gets chewed up by stones off the front tyre and needs protection.

Other than that I'm really happy with my SV.

[DingDong]

Good shit!, thanks for the info so far guys (except the HONDA part?)... I'll have a better look into the bikes I test now I know what to look for.

Hey keep it coming :yes: I havent ridden a twin other than a Harley and an xs, so depending on a few tests I might flag the whole idea... see how we go.

[et al]

My opinion: all models you ask about have pros & cons but I reckon there is no such thing as a bad bike these days. At the end of the day only you will know what suits you best but if it was me looking at your choices I would go for the TLS no question. It has way more character than any of the others (and still more than a lot of newer bikes). I met a guy on Sunday with one that had done over 100,000k and was still going strong, awesome bike with lots of tasty after market bits - extremely good value for an older bike which still has heaps of street cred.
PS: I am not biased - I have never owned or ridden a TLS, but it is one bike that I wish I had owned (an Italian beauty stole my heart before I got a chance).

[myvice]

Ride everything you can get your mitts on!
Try all of the bikes that you want and a few that you might consider then throw in one or two that you weren’t even thinking of...










Then do what I did and buy a really unpractical one that still ISNT IN THE F#*KING COUNTRY!!!
:argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :cry:

[Insanity_rules]

BUY A HONDA!!!:innocent:

You are obviously a biker of impecible taste. Well said.

[cowpoos]

You are obviously a biker of impecible taste. Well said.
no no....he hangs out at ghey bars too!!!

[Hitcher]

Go for a ZRX1200R. There are some good buys around at the moment. More than enough fun factor and good for long distance rides as well. And being a naked, the wind drag will help you keep an eye on your speed and hopefully your license intact!

[Swoop]

Suzuki should patent its thin paint technology - cant speak for the others but my paint could be measured in microns.
Just get a scottish painter to do the spraying - and tell him any extra used is coming out of his wages!

[2much]

Mate, take a serious look at the TLs, I'm thinking about getting one next. Simply for the fact that not only did I fall in love the first time I saw one, but also that every person who's ever owned one raves about them and wishes they'd never sold their's. Including 3 riders I have alot of respect for (Saul, Loosebruce & Cowpoos). Ask any of the haters an I'll almost guarantee they've never owned one.






Hey wait on........ how the fuck did Poos get on that list?




edit: actually I'd put the TLR in a similar regard too. If that's where you're heart lies, and you can handle the non-GSXR handling (coming from an RF that shouldn't be an issue) then go for it. There's plenty of cheap TL's out there so you can afford to be picky and you don't stand to lose much if you change your mind.

[DingDong]

Mate, take a serious look at the TLs, I'm thinking about getting one next.

Saul's word is pretty much enough for me to have a really good look... I wonder if Zane's keen to part with his? that dam thing gives me a hard-on every time I see it... or is that the bike your after:first:

[saul]

Saul's word is pretty much enough for me to have a really good look... I wonder if Zane's keen to part with his? that dam thing gives me a hard-on every time I see it... or is that the bike your after:first:

Ah shucks guys :finger: :niceone:

Can we come and help test ride it:blip:

[imdying]

Definitely be looking at 98tls' undertray if you get a TL. Makes the bike look a million percent better!! Looks awesome all painted up to mate the bodywork :yes:

[cowpoos]

Definitely be looking at 98tls' undertray if you get a TL. Makes the bike look a million percent better!! Looks awesome all painted up to mate the bodywork :yes:
I have a fender eliminator kit for a TLs thats brand new and never installed!!! make me a offer

[2much]

Saul's word is pretty much enough for me to have a really good look... I wonder if Zane's keen to part with his? that dam thing gives me a hard-on every time I see it... or is that the bike your after:first:

Nah it would be sinful for me to get my hands on something so beautiful. That's got to be the best TL in the country and as much as I'd love to own it, I'd kill myself if I ever put a scratch on it.

And I think he would sell his missus before he sold that bike.



I have a fender eliminator kit for a TLs thats brand new and never installed!!! make me a offer

I'll give ya a box of Tui:blip:

[Cajun]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-62733658.htm <- tl1000r best thing is in yellow

[cowpoos]

I'll give ya a box of Tui:blip:

man...bro....bay.....need $$$$$ at the moment.....other wise it would be all go!!!! still fuckin tempting though!

[DingDong]

man...bro....bay.....need $$$$$ at the moment.....other wise it would be all go!!!! still fuckin tempting though!

He could strap it to hood of the Torana?

[2much]

man...bro....bay.....need $$$$$ at the moment.....other wise it would be all go!!!! still fuckin tempting though!

fuck you talk a hard deal............... oh alright, you've twisted my arm.

2 boxes of tui..... but only cus your a good cunt

[DingDong]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-62733658.htm <- tl1000r best thing is in yellow
I've been looking at that... but the orange maybe a bit much, might look better in real life... like me...:yes:

[cowpoos]

fuck you talk a hard deal............... oh alright, you've twisted my arm.

2 boxes of tui..... but only cus your a good cunt
grrrr............ummmmmmm..............errrrrrrrrr rr............arse.................no............. .......must resist!!!!..........erm....................arghhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhh............no.......must be strong..............no....................NEED MONEY!!!!

[Cajun]

I've been looking at that... but the orange maybe a bit much, might look better in real life... like me...:yes:

really depends on how much you wana spend dingdong.

Orange is all good it ties in with the orange wheels

[limbimtimwim]

One bike I have always been fascinated with, but never had a go on (DMANIT KJSHJK!!iusyf&^%$) is the Honda VTR SP1/2 . More expensive than perhaps you are looking at. But it sure *looks* hard core, and is just tiny in the metal. Makes the TLs and the SVs look huge and tractor like.

[cowpoos]

One bike I have always been fascinated with, but never had a go on (DMANIT KJSHJK!!iusyf&^%$) is the Honda VTR SP1/2 . More expensive than perhaps you are looking at. But it sure *looks* hard core, and is just tiny in the metal. Makes the TLs and the SVs look huge and tractor like.
but TLs make sp1's look over priced and they are just as fast....all though I do like the swingarm on the sp1/2

[DingDong]

One bike I have always been fascinated with, but never had a go on (DMANIT KJSHJK!!iusyf&^%$) is the Honda VTR SP1/2 . More expensive than perhaps you are looking at. But it sure *looks* hard core, and is just tiny in the metal. Makes the TLs and the SVs look huge and tractor like.

" SORRY I CONFUSED YOU WITH SOMEONE WITH SIMILAR HANDLE... I FEEL LIKE A DICK NOW"

how dare you... honda havent made a good road bike since the cb750 four.
Even Rossi gave up on em...

(can of worms been opened):nya:

[emaN]

get an R6...!:blip:

[avgas]

this is just m opinion but:

TL1000s - OK, needs good pipes. Looks chunky
TL1000r - Better, but steering dampers are a must
SV1000 - Cheap, new alternative
z1000 - Yes x 20 if you like motorcross bikes. They are fantastic
Hayabusa - Yes if you like speed and nothing else

[limbimtimwim]

but TLs make sp1's look over priced and they are just as fast....all though I do like the swingarm on the sp1/2Well, yes, they are not made out of lead/pig iron/poo. The titanium engine cases and the composite cylinder bores probably were not cheap at the time. Or now.

Funny you mention the swingarm. It was the major external difference between SP1 and the SP2. You probably like the SP2 swingarm.

Quite right, they are more expensive than the 'zooks, but then they are cheaper than the eqivalent Ducati.

I am sure it comes as no suprise to you; I am still a Honda ninny. And the GSXR is out in the rain right now while the Honda is in the shed. Just thought you should know.

[DingDong]

I've got a GS1200ss in the shed right now, overnight test ride... impressions:
Power - has nothing surprisingly my old RF will kick its head in, a little torque but it dont excite:yawn: , pretty smooth
Handling - Like a twin shocker from the late 80's, the tube frame flexes if you get too rough with it, breaks are good but have poor road feel (soft shocks)
Comfort - Seats too low, bike feels cramped and I can only just fit in the gap between the pillion seat and the tank
Price - 2002, 6k thats pretty good

Bikes not for me but I'll have another ride in the morning to be sure, price is right but the ride is wrong.:rockon:

EMAN... at 135kg an R6 will quickly turn into a slow & low (flat) ride... :gob:

[cowpoos]

I've got a GS1200ss in the shed right now, overnight test ride... impressions:
Power - has nothing surprisingly my old RF will kick its head in, a little torque but it dont excite:yawn: , pretty smooth
Handling - Like a twin shocker from the late 80's, the tube frame flexes if you get too rough with it, breaks are good but have poor road feel (soft shocks)
Comfort - Seats too low, bike feels cramped and I can only just fit in the gap between the pillion seat and the tank
Price - 2002, 6k thats pretty good

Bikes not for me but I'll have another ride in the morning to be sure, price is right but the ride is wrong.:rockon:

EMAN... at 135kg an R6 will quickly turn into a slow & low (flat) ride... :gob:
find a TLs bro....I bet ya will buy it after a lap of the block!!!

[DingDong]

find a TLs bro....I bet ya will buy it after a lap of the block!!!
I got a TLR and 2 SV's to try out this week... have seen any TLS's in my area yet but will ride one of those too.

[cowpoos]

I got a TLR and 2 SV's to try out this week... have seen any TLS's in my area yet but will ride one of those too.
do that too.....don't just try the tlr and think that they are similar...coz they are miles apart!!!

[2much]

Thank god you're not going with the GS, I would've had to disown you as a friend. They're the ugliest abortion I've ever seen and I have no idea what the fuck Suzuki were thinking when they came up with that heap of shit. And it's not just the looks, the whole bike is a pile of festering crap. $6K is far too much for something I wouldn't swap the 250 for.

[98tls]

do that too.....don't just try the tlr and think that they are similar...coz they are miles apart!!! got to agree with that..two totally different bikes,get on an R after an S and the thing feels huge..plus they look like the rider has a Platypus stickin out his arse with that huge rear end on them.

[saul]

got to agree with that..two totally different bikes,get on an R after an S and the thing feels huge..plus they look like the rider has a Platypus stickin out his arse with that huge rear end on them.

Yep lol:finger: :slap: :eyepoke: :rofl:

[Insanity_rules]

no no....he hangs out at ghey bars too!!!

Oh I didn't see you at the last gay Honda riders of New Zealand mixer, where were you hiding?

[DingDong]

Test riding a tls tomorrow... will you's know what I think

[98tls]

:yes: enjoy...be interested to see what you think...get it outta town and give it shit...if its got a stock damper on it steering will be abit of a pain in the arse as its feels quite heavy....once on the open road you will forget about it.

[cowpoos]

Test riding a tls tomorrow... will you's know what I think
ride it like a trail bike.....and give it shit!!! you'll love it!!

[saul]

Test riding a tls tomorrow... will you's know what I think

Hey do you want a hand to have a look at it:blip:

If you do, give me a txt or something.

Good to hear that dp is just about sorted:yes:

[DingDong]

I took it on some twisties and on the open road... verdict?

7000 rpm... thats the magic number, power wheelies:yes: suprised me it did... I was under the impression twins had shit top end, but I was wrong.

Dampeners OK... handles wiked like!, will replace anyway DP got me covered there.

The hell fun bike for real... Cowpoos my fortune tella:first:

It's in my carport... stripped down for cleaning, old graphics are gone and I'll make new graphics and put them on in the morning... black and chome I think "FLAMES!"

Cost $7500, December 1998, Black, two brothers, K&N, hump & pillion, pack rack (no it's not on), metz

Cheers for the offer Saul:yes:

[98tls]

congrats.....enjoy

[paturoa]

Yeah I was impressed with Vtwin top end too being a 4 fan for years, though the SV kick in sooner it also goes flat sooner at about 10k rpm.

enjoy!

[cowpoos]

I took it on some twisties and on the open road... verdict?

7000 rpm... thats the magic number, power wheelies:yes: suprised me it did... I was under the impression twins had shit top end, but I was wrong.

Dampeners OK... handles wiked like!, will replace anyway DP got me covered there.

The hell fun bike for real... Boomer my fortune tella:first:

It's in my carport... stripped down for cleaning, old graphics are gone and I'll make new graphics and put them on in the morning... black and chome I think "FLAMES!"

Cost $7500, December 1998, Black, two brothers, K&N, hump & pillion, pack rack (no it's not on), metz

Cheers for the offer Saul:yes:
fuckin awesome bro...you can't say we didn't tell ya!!

now buy this off me http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=62926460 ......do a google search to find pics...

but anyway...I also have a mounting kit for a ohlins steering damper for a TLs...same style as 916 mount...all you need is the steering damper...the kit costs $200 you or someone can hav it if ya buy me fender eliminater thingy [as long as its a KB member]

another thing ya wanna look at is a ohlins rear shock...replaces the rotary damper... ring Robert taylor on o6 2784160 and just have a chat with him about it...he's sold shit loads of shocks to TL owners...its there biggest fault...and so easy to fix....but most of all enjoy!!!

[DingDong]

fuckin awesome bro...you can't say we didn't tell ya!!

now buy this off me http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=62926460 ......do a google search to find pics...

but anyway...I also have a mounting kit for a ohlins steering damper for a TLs...same style as 916 mount...all you need is the steering damper...the kit costs $200 you or someone can hav it if ya buy me fender eliminater thingy [as long as its a KB member]

another thing ya wanna look at is a ohlins rear shock...replaces the rotary damper... ring Robert taylor on o6 2784160 and just have a chat with him about it...he's sold shit loads of shocks to TL owners...its there biggest fault...and so easy to fix....but most of all enjoy!!!

Cheers for this... I'm poor now, but not for too long:yes:

[kro]

TLR is my choice

[saul]

:love: :spudwave: :wari: :wari: :niceone:

Ok when do we get the bike:sunny: Ooppps that should read see the bike :-)

I might have to sneak of to Greerton tomorrow:blip:

[DingDong]

:love: :spudwave: :wari: :wari: :niceone:

Ok when do we get the bike:sunny: Ooppps that should read see the bike :-)

I might have to sneak of to Greerton tomorrow:blip:

Here ya go:blip: , went for a ride through Hamurana and home through Pyes Pa... thrashed it, one question is... whats the 6th gear for?, huge fun through Pyes Pa in 3rd & 4th, open roads good in 5th.

The bike has a 180 rear tyre on it, it's a little stretched on the rim and runs out of rubber to road when you gas it outta corners, I had a moment (as you do), checked the tyre and found the edge all wavey where the tyre started to skip, I wasnt over all that far either:innocent: ... It'll do for now but next tyrs a 190:wait:

[98tls]

looks great...sounds like your having fun,some say the 180 turns in better than the 90,i have tried both but am happy to stay with the 190.

[Kornholio]

Thats a hot looking bike Wayne....good score matey :D

[saul]

Here ya go:blip: , went for a ride through Hamurana and home through Pyes Pa... thrashed it, one question is... whats the 6th gear for?, huge fun through Pyes Pa in 3rd & 4th, open roads good in 5th.

The bike has a 180 rear tyre on it, it's a little stretched on the rim and runs out of rubber to road when you gas it outta corners, I had a moment (as you do), checked the tyre and found the edge all wavey where the tyre started to skip, I wasnt over all that far either:innocent: ... It'll do for now but next tyrs a 190:wait:

Nice one DD :first:

It looks verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry nice

Thats the way mate get to know her:blip:

Look forward to seeing it soon:yes: :scooter: