Our great justice/police system part 2

[GIXser]

Last night i was watching tv, when i heard this almight screetch and bang,
(i live on a main rd)

i run outside to find a woman with child in the car, totally shaken up, car (pretty much a write off) they were physically ok, the other car had done a runner, glass all over the road etc, another car stopped" and said the offender lost their bumper down the road" so i started running down the road and picked it up, with the help of someone else, (the number plate was attached), the victim relayed this to the police, and their reply was , ok just come into the station and make a statement" whilst the operator was still on the phone, the offender realised they lost their plate and returned (about ten minutes later) we relayed this to the cops, "as they turned up in an agitated state", again the reply was, "come in and make a statement" this was a serious accident- a hit and run, possibly under the influence" who knows,

yet this morning i passed mr plod" as he pulled someone over " lets write another ticket.

ok for those of you that are going to say, its not the cops fault for not turning up, here's my answer FUCK OFF, they got time to write stupid tickets--
(the system is fucked)
just when i thought my perception of the police force couldnt drop any lower, they have done it again---

[placidfemme]

That is shocking. In effect as you mentioned this was a "hit and run" even if no-one was hurt.

Maybe one of the cops on the site can answer why they didn't want to show up... maybe if there are no injuries it is classed as "low priority"?

Or maybe that was just the reaction of the call taker (not always cops...)

[dnos]

:yes: i know what you mean.
shit like this happens all the time.
Like when my gf had a dude break into their flat when her and her friends were at home and the police were too busy witht he booze bus. told them noone available.
just lowers ur respect for them, i have no faith in the police

[Swoop]

Should say "they just arrived back for the numberplate AND THEY HAVE A KNIFE AND A GUN"...

See how long it takes them to arrive THEN! The fastest way to get the plod out of Dunkin Donuts...

"Oh, I could have sworn I saw a gun...":whistle:

[Lou Girardin]

Gosh, the hit and runner could have been a murderer, had a gun in the car, or a P lab, or anything. :gob:
I blame society.:yes:

[GIXser]

Gosh, the hit and runner could have been a murderer, had a gun in the car, or a P lab, or anything. :gob:
I blame society.:yes:

so what do you consider serious then?????

[Lou Girardin]

so what do you consider serious then?????

In my usual sarcastic way, I was agreeing with your post.
And having a dig at the people who justify chases because they might be murderers, druggies etc. etc.

[Zukin]

Reminds me of a story that happened to a friend in Wellington..

He was in bed one night, when he heard noises outside, so he got up without turning on the lights, he peered outside to see the silhouettes of 4 or 5 people outside his bedroom window stuffing around with his 4x4.
His 4x4 is a very modified competition truck, he had parked it ready for the weekends event up his driveway, his flat mates car and his girlfriends car were parked behind it.
He noticed that both their cars had already been moved so that the scum could get his 4wd!!

So he calls the cops and explains exactly what is happening before his eyes!
The operators says "Unfortunately we have no patrol cars available to assist, can you get as much information on the offenders as possible, but dont go outside"
Not that he would of ventured outside with that many scum sucking idiots!!

Now he hung up from the operator and saw they weren't too far away from taking when he made a decision to call the police again.

Police - Hello
Friend -" Hi there, I called a few minutes ago to report my 4x4 is being stolen"
Police - Yes
Friend - Dont worry about sending a Patrol car around I have shot them!!
Police - You what
Friend - Shot them! - and then hung up!!

Within minutes there were 3 or 4 patrol cars and the armed offenders squad and a helicopter on route!
They caught all the offenders in the act, and duely arrested them, then the detective questioned him, and said why did you lie to us and say that you had shot them, he replied "Why did your operator lie to me and say there was no patrol cars available"

Needless to say he was arrested and charged with wasting police time.
He managed to get off the charges, but sometimes makes you think??

[Lou Girardin]

I've heard it said that it's better to call Fire than the cops when there's offenders on your property.
Haven't tried it though.

[placidfemme]

Hearing all this "Not enough patrol cars" sounds like zimbabwe... moms car got broken into, called the cops and they said "ehhh uh... don't touch a... the... ahhh car... but can you ehhh... come and pick.... eh.... up the police... ma-officer"

Um... sure in my imaginary car that didn't get broken into....

seems in this case the NZ cops are taking a leaf out the zimbabwe police books...

maybe they'll pick up the whole "bribing" thing too... no demerits!

[spudchucka]

TMaybe one of the cops on the site can answer why they didn't want to show up...
They knew Gixser was involved and did it just to wind him up.

Or maybe it has something to do with 90% of the crime taking place when only 10% of the cops are working, you know, night time.

[madboy]

You should have said the car was speeding when it caused the accident then did the runner. Remember, it's only speed that kills.

[Skyryder]

If you want some serious fast action just say that you 'believe' you saw a firearm in the vehicle. You got to be real careful on this or you can get yourself into a shit load of crap.

The situation has to warrent this...............and you had better see something in the car that looks as if it could be part of a firearm. Or some kine of action of the perp that leads you to believe that they are armed.

Know a guy whose wife was assaulted in a road rage incedent. Yep come in an lay a complaint. He schooled her up and before you could say 'gizz a job' sirens were off eveywhere. No fire arms but they did find a shit load of dope. So all ended well.

Skyryder

[James Deuce]

Don't vent here. Give the Police the ammo to employ more Cops and stop bagging the reduced duty cop/non-sworn Police worker/civilian in the call centre.

Complain to your MP. Really easy to blame the Cops for not turning up when NZers won't wear a tax hike to cover the cost of employing more Police.

[chanceyy]

as i am living in the middle of roadworks hell ... dunno how many calls made to cops to advise of extremely dangerous driving .. no sign of them

Car rolled and of course they turned up ( only cause ambo's and fire there), asked them why they are not out patrolling at nite as they would make their ticket quota in short order, reponse back : " its too dark out here at nite we can not patrol when their is no street lights, we are out here during the day " My response .. what the fuck, with workmen, stop signs there are no issues during the day .. its when everyone goes home the fun starts.


Mind you came home from work late the other week .. here is cop car off the side of the road .. mistook the lean of the side of the road .. slid right off hahahahahahahahaha he was embarrassed as hell .. made my night really :doobey: :doobey: :nya: :nya:

[Maha]

Cop Shop close's here in Warkworth at around 5pm and thats it till 8.30 the next day......emergency?... call Orewa
Great right up Zukin/GIXSer.....:first:

[dveus]

We live on a fairly busy intersection and would have an "incident" every few months. I've yet to find one time that the Police haven't been there within a couple of minutes. Over half of the time 1 of the people involved will do a runner, must be a head home to sober up before the cops arrive type deal.

[Kickaha]

Or maybe it has something to do with 90% of the crime taking place when only 10% of the cops are working, you know, night time.

if 90% of the crime takes place at night why are only 10% of the cops rostered on?

[The_Dover]

if 90% of the crime takes place at night why are only 10% of the cops rostered on?

Looks like an "in house" rostering specialist to me.

[spudchucka]

if 90% of the crime takes place at night why are only 10% of the cops rostered on?
Good question that. At best on night shift we have two cops working as an I-car but if your section mate is away on leave or sick then you are one up.

The nearest back up is 15 minutes away and they are generally always short staffed some won't be over to help unless it is something major. We cover a huge geographical area so if we are at one end of our patch and something happens at the other end we are 45 minutes to an hour away.

But for some strange reason the public thinks there are heaps of cops patrolling the streets at night and if they ring 111 there will be cop to help them in a matter of minutes.

[boomer]

They knew Gixser was involved and did it just to wind him up.

Or maybe it has something to do with 90% of the crime taking place when only 10% of the cops are working, you know, night time.

All class! What a fucked up world we live in.


But for some strange reason the public thinks there are heaps of cops patrolling the streets at night and if they ring 111 there will be cop to help them in a matter of minutes.

Unreasonable 'sorts' the public huh!!! :/

[The_Dover]

Or maybe it has something to do with 90% of the crime taking place when only 10% of the cops rostered on are working, you know, the others are at a gang bang or dunkin donuts drive thru.

Ha, I knew this understaffed thing was a myth!

[Ozzie]

Yeah it is all government, and blah blah blah!!!!!!!!

Tax hike?? WTF, don't they get enough money with the quota?

There seems to be a pretty screwed up perception of what is important, and it varies acording to time of day.

Top notch on the cops doing the booozers, but whoever draws up the roster needs to have a long hard look.

Not enough Poliice / not enough Money ???? More like not enough management that has a clue. All gone tooo PC I think, in all our forces!

[madboy]

Don't vent here. Give the Police the ammo to employ more Cops and stop bagging the reduced duty cop/non-sworn Police worker/civilian in the call centre.

Complain to your MP. Really easy to blame the Cops for not turning up when NZers won't wear a tax hike to cover the cost of employing more Police.
Or we could perhaps take a more holistic view and crack down on benefit fraud which would free up taxation funds to bring more Police on board, then the Police might be less inclined to take bribes from LTNZ and instead have the money to focus their resources on reducing crime, and if real crime started getting dealt with the public perception of the police might change and police might find their jobs more rewarding and then the good ones might stay and good candidates might be interested in joining and then the quality of police work would increase...

I've just realised, it's the fat lazy stoned bitch with the five kids running amuck at the end of my street who's to blame! I guess if I DON'T slow down, swerve and avoid her kids in the middle of the road then I might be helping society!!

[Karma]

Maybe if the police recruitment thing wasn't such a pain in the ass there'd be more coppers on the beat.

Has anything been done about that 2.5k in 12minutes jazz?

[Ixion]

Don't vent here. Give the Police the ammo to employ more Cops and stop bagging the reduced duty cop/non-sworn Police worker/civilian in the call centre.

Complain to your MP. Really easy to blame the Cops for not turning up when NZers won't wear a tax hike to cover the cost of employing more Police.


That does not work. i have tried. The MP (or Minister) contacts the Polcie Commisioner. And the Police Commisioner (actually, I think it was a Deputy Commissioner) says there are sufficient cops. So the MP says "I'm told there are enough police officers - piss off".

[Hitcher]

just when i thought my perception of the police force couldnt drop any lower, they have done it again---
Done what again?

OK, I'll go along with the story...

So you ring the cops and they send a car and a couple of officers around for a looksee. What do you expect them to do? The offending car has done a runner, there are no witnesses and no credible forensic evidence, apart from some broken glass and plastic. Nobody's injured and there is no significant property damage. So you feel better because they showed up, but what else is going to be different?

[Ixion]

Well , I can think of several reasons.

Firstly, leaving the scene of an accident is an offence.

Secondly, WHY were they so keen to bugger off ?And why did the accident occur in the first place.?

Pissed? Warrant out? Drugs in the car? Disqualified? Who knows , but it would have been a lot better use of police time finding out than ticketing Mabel for 61kph.

[WINJA]

They knew Gixser was involved and did it just to wind him up.

Or maybe it has something to do with 90% of the crime taking place when only 10% of the cops are working, you know, night time.
WHAT EVER YOU USELESS SACK OF SHIT YOU HAVE NO ANSWERS SO YOU HAVE AN ATTEMPT AT HUMOR, ITS NOT AT ALL FUNNY THAT THE PIGS DONT TURN UP

[boomer]

Has anything been done about that 2.5k in 12minutes jazz?

Is that on your bike or running slim? mate, cut down on your pork life and get fit, once you've done it then you can return to your ways .. in fact the police actively encourage you to be 'sloth' like;

[MattRSK]

WHAT EVER YOU USELESS SACK OF SHIT YOU HAVE NO ANSWERS SO YOU HAVE AN ATTEMPT AT HUMOR, ITS NOT AT ALL FUNNY THAT THE PIGS DONT TURN UP
Hey Winja you crack me up. Hardly subtle are you.

[Winston001]

again the reply was, "come in and make a statement" this was a serious accident- a hit and run, possibly under the influence" who knows,


just when i thought my perception of the police force couldnt drop any lower, they have done it again---

I'm appalled by this incident. I'm positively disposed towards the police because they have an awful job at times. Domestic disputes, child abuse, drunks, being called a pig - who'd want to face that every day.

But I think the response you received Gixser is totally unacceptable. The police prioritise victim offences over property crime. Here you had victims, potential danger to other road-users, and the only response was to come into the station????!!!! It beggars belief.

Crime does occur at night and I'd naively thought a full shift of officers would always be on duty.

Personally I'd be complaining to the Police Complaints Authority, my MP, the Minister of Police, talk-back radio etc. Not a lot of effort really.

I doubt the ordinary constable is at fault here. Maybe they do need more officers and support. It's a travesty that you'd need to resort to "possibly" seeing a weapon even though I guess we all know this to be true.

[spudchucka]

Unreasonable 'sorts' the public huh!!! :/
Bastards! I'd have a fantastic job if it weren't for them pesky varmints.

[spudchucka]

Maybe if the police recruitment thing wasn't such a pain in the ass there'd be more coppers on the beat.

Has anything been done about that 2.5k in 12minutes jazz?
It was 2.4 kms in 10 minutes 15 seconds. They have just recently made changes to the fitness level required, I believe they now use a age based formula, if you are aged under 30 I think you still have to do the 10m, 15s time; but it gets easier as you age.

You'll have to look into to it youself to be sure.

[spudchucka]

This message is hidden because WINJA is on your ignore list.

This message is hidden because The_Dover is on your ignore list.

The great thing is that I can read your bullshit if I feel like it but I feel absolutely no compulsion to reply, so go ahead, knock youselves out, have a field day, rip me a new one, tell it how it aint...... cos I simply don't give a shit,

[bladez]

i had a crash in the cage a few years ago no one hurt but had 5 cop cars and 2 ambos turn up my partners response was now where are the fire and choppers got every one else here i think it was just a waste of time for all of them :yes:

[Edbear]

but it gets easier as you age.



If only....:innocent:

[sAsLEX]

Complain to your MP. Really easy to blame the Cops for not turning up when NZers won't wear a tax hike to cover the cost of employing more Police.


If our tax actually went to cops mate, how much goes in supporting people too lazy to work?


And I mean how stuppid is it that you can only smoke in a Marae but no other public places when they have one of the worlds worst smoking rates? That sir is the current governments one eyed logic.

start spending the taxes on things appropriatly and there is no need to raise them.

[GIXser]

Good question that. At best on night shift we have two cops working as an I-car but if your section mate is away on leave or sick then you are one up.

The nearest back up is 15 minutes away and they are generally always short staffed some won't be over to help unless it is something major. We cover a huge geographical area so if we are at one end of our patch and something happens at the other end we are 45 minutes to an hour away.

But for some strange reason the public thinks there are heaps of cops patrolling the streets at night and if they ring 111 there will be cop to help them in a matter of minutes.

yeah instead let all the cops work during the day, cos at least ya can write tickets then ...

what a load of bullshit" i gotta say, its the fuckin governement, they are fucked-- cant wait to move to brisi... you can stick this shit up your arse--

[WINJA]

Hey Winja you crack me up. Hardly subtle are you.
IM GLAD YOU QOUTED MY MESSAGE CAUSE NOW THE PIGS THAT HAVE ME ON THEIR IGNORE LIST HAVE TO READ IT

[GIXser]

Done what again?

OK, I'll go along with the story...

So you ring the cops and they send a car and a couple of officers around for a looksee. What do you expect them to do? The offending car has done a runner, there are no witnesses and no credible forensic evidence, apart from some broken glass and plastic. Nobody's injured and there is no significant property damage. So you feel better because they showed up, but what else is going to be different?

Ok ..ill entertain ya...lets look at the whole scenario..

there was lots of debris on the road, as cars went past , they swerved into oncoming traffic,, we had a plate, the offender turned back up agitated....possible intoxicated, drugged , definately speeding and dangerous driving as the skidmarks went about three meters in the other lane..

if this doesnt warrant the cops coming out, what does???

ps hitcher, can you keep out of this forum, cos your'e a STUPID CUNT..
lotsa love GIX..xxx

[Hitcher]

if this doesnt warrant the cops coming out, what does???
Death, injury, breakdown of law and order...

Who called the cops and what did they tell them?

And why are you afraid of stupid cunts?

[spudchucka]

Not enough Poliice / not enough Money ???? More like not enough management that has a clue.
Actually I think we have far too much "management". We would be better served by returning to the days when we had commanders instead of managers.

[spudchucka]

This message is hidden because GIXser is on your ignore list.

KB is improving every day!

[The_Dover]

Ha ha, spud's being a girls blouse and ignoring us boys. Let's hope the rest of the pigs do too and not tax us.

[Ozzie]

Actually I think we have far too much "management". We would be better served by returning to the days when we had commanders instead of managers.

I'll highlight the "Management that has a clue" part, not saying not enough management, but that what is there is useless.

Why is it that 90% of crime happens at night????

Two reasons I think;
1. It is easier to hide
2. There is F-all cops around

[WINJA]

hes putting us on his ignore list cause he cant mount an intelligent challenge , spud is bordering on being retarded , to many hits to the head with his own baton id say

[Ozzie]

hes putting us on his ignore list cause he cant mount an intelligent challenge , spud is bordering on being retarded , to many hits to the head with his own baton id say

Does every cop have an ignore list????

Not just on here I think, saw a fight the other night, and called the cops (was a big fight), when they arrived, I directed the cop to the seriously injured guy, and the perp, he ignored me, I reiterated, he threatened to lock me up!!!!

What the?

Yes I had a few under my belt, but not all people on the piss are young, ignorant, arrogent and stupid!

And yes, I can't spoell.

[Karma]

WHAT EVER YOU USELESS SACK OF SHIT YOU HAVE NO ANSWERS SO YOU HAVE AN ATTEMPT AT HUMOR, ITS NOT AT ALL FUNNY THAT THE PIGS DONT TURN UP

Well here's the thing.

I'd personally thought of joining the coppers... don't ask why, just had an idea that it might be nice to get out of a call centre and try and make a difference to somebody.

Then I realised, I doubt I could be bothered putting up with the amount of shit you throw at the coppers on this site. If I joined the force would I be just another 'useless sack of shit'?

Perhaps if being a copper meant more than people calling you a wanker behind your back then more people would join up... staffing problem solved.

Failing that, you could always get off your ass, stop the bitching and join up yourself?

[WINJA]

Well here's the thing.

I'd personally thought of joining the coppers... don't ask why, just had an idea that it might be nice to get out of a call centre and try and make a difference to somebody.

Then I realised, I doubt I could be bothered putting up with the amount of shit you throw at the coppers on this site. If I joined the force would I be just another 'useless sack of shit'?

Perhaps if being a copper meant more than people calling you a wanker behind your back then more people would join up... staffing problem solved.

Failing that, you could always get off your ass, stop the bitching and join up yourself?
WHY WOULD I JOIN , I CHOSE MY JOB AND I DO IT WELL , IVE ALSO BEEN PUT IN A SITUATION A FEW TIMES WHERE I FACED BEING FIRED IF I DID THE RIGHT THING AND GUESS WHAT I DID THE RIGHT THING AND FACED THE CONSEQUENCES SO NOW I DONT ACCPET EXCUSES FROM THE PIGS OR ANYONE ELSE , I DO BLAME THE FUCKER ON THE COAL FACE CAUSE THE BOTTOM LINE IS IF THEY PUT MORE EFFORT INTO POLICEING AND LESS EFFORT INTO COLLECTING TAXES NZ WILL BE A BETTER PLACE, THE GOVERNMENT CAN ONLY CASH IN ON THE MOTORIST IF THE PIGS ENABLE THEM AND THEY DO

[Karma]

IVE ALSO BEEN PUT IN A SITUATION A FEW TIMES WHERE I FACED BEING FIRED IF I DID THE RIGHT THING AND GUESS WHAT I DID THE RIGHT THING AND FACED THE CONSEQUENCES

Serving up a BigMac rather than McChicken... yeh I'd be worried too....



SO NOW I DONT ACCPET EXCUSES FROM THE PIGS OR ANYONE ELSE , I DO BLAME THE FUCKER ON THE COAL FACE CAUSE THE BOTTOM LINE IS IF THEY PUT MORE EFFORT INTO POLICEING AND LESS EFFORT INTO COLLECTING TAXES NZ WILL BE A BETTER PLACE

Hmm... my understanding is that the regular police are separate to the HP devision, now while I may agree that there are too many HP, and many of these could and should be shifted onto the beat, I don't agree that the front line guys can do that much extra work to make the kind of changes you are talking about. That level of change requires reforms from top down, front line guys take all the stick, but have little or now power over the way things work.


THE GOVERNMENT CAN ONLY CASH IN ON THE MOTORIST IF THE PIGS ENABLE THEM AND THEY DO

Not sure about this one, isn't that like saying 'the goverment can only cash in on parking tickets if parking wardens let them'?

If I was a HP officer it's a fairly simple case, give out tickets or miss this weeks rent... not a difficult choice, and lets face it, if you havn't done anything wrong, they can't do anything to you.

[98tls]

fuckin hell another cop bashing thread......if there wasnt so many Dickheads out there then we wouldnt need to rely on them so much....maybe society needs to look at itself rather than blaming the cops for everything...:doobey: take the cops off the road then how fuckin safe are we going to be on motorcycles...its bad enough already thanks.

[Karma]

fuckin hell another cop bashing thread......if there wasnt so many Dickheads out there then we wouldnt need to rely on them so much....maybe society needs to look at itself rather than blaming the cops for everything...:doobey: take the cops off the road then how fuckin safe are we going to be on motorcycles...its bad enough already thanks.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to 98tls again.

[scumdog]

And having a dig at the people who justify chases because they might be murderers, druggies etc. etc.

Not me - I do it for the fun!!!:nya:

[scumdog]

WHY WOULD I JOIN , I CHOSE MY JOB AND I DO IT WELL , IVE ALSO BEEN PUT IN A SITUATION A FEW TIMES WHERE I FACED BEING FIRED IF I DID THE RIGHT THING AND GUESS WHAT I DID THE RIGHT THING AND FACED THE CONSEQUENCES.

Yeah, like I'm going to shoot off to another town and join the better Police Force there after I got fired!!

[Ozzie]

Not me - I do it for the fun!!!:nya:

Some people just don't get it!

No matter how many times you tell them, try to reason, etc etc....

:bash: :bash: :bash:

It's like trying to get logic into a rock, no matter how hard you try, no matter how much you push, it just wont get in.......

Mr plod, keep thinking your single minded "I am the LAW" ways, you can do no wrong, neither can the other drongo's you work with.

Like anything else, there is good and bad in any groop, unfortunately it is the misguided, pig headed (no pun intended), wanks that have a voice!

Most people can accept they are not always right, and accept their faults, either personal or professional, but hey, you be the exception, go on.

[scumdog]

Crime does occur at night and I'd naively thought a full shift of officers would always be on duty.

Personally I'd be complaining to the Police Complaints Authority, my MP, the Minister of Police, talk-back radio etc. Not a lot of effort really.

The public would be appalled if they knew how thin the 'thin blue line' was in a ot of places at night.

They have an illusion that there are just as many on at night as they see during the day - not so, I've heard of it being down to 3 cops and a sgt for the whole of Dunedin on a Friday night.

And yes, if the story at the start of this thread is true it needs to be publicised and the PCA contacted.

[Ozzie]

And yes, if the story at the start of this thread is true it needs to be publicised and the PCA contacted.

I take that back, an exception it would seem!:rockon:

[knight rider]

we should all buy slug guns & shoot the people who mess with our property. It won't kill them but will make them never want to do it again hehehe

[98tls]

My dog sleeps in the garage.....the Fucker hates being woken up....:doobey:

[Beemer]

Mind you came home from work late the other week .. here is cop car off the side of the road .. mistook the lean of the side of the road .. slid right off hahahahahahahahaha he was embarrassed as hell .. made my night really :doobey: :doobey: :nya: :nya:

You talking about the roadworks near Levin? Been at least one fatal there and heaps of slide-offs into the ditch - including that dumb cop who tried to do a U-turn to chase someone and underestimated the width of the shoulder and the depth of the ditch! Thankfully the road we use to get out is north of those roadworks so they don't affect us at all. Big pain if you get stuck in them every day - many people turn off at Tavistock then left into Koputaroa Road and within minutes you're on SH1.

[acewheelie]

If I caught some F**K on my property trying to get into my house to rape my wife or worse steal my bike, I'd shoot 'em.
One of my mates used to live rural and they had major problems with trespassers. He lived with his elderly mother, asked what he should do if someone broke into his house, as they were about an hour away from help, the cop said you have an AR15 sleep with it under the bed, mmmm what does that imply?

[Skyryder]

He lived with his elderly mother, asked what he should do if someone broke into his house, as they were about an hour away from help, the cop said you have an AR15 sleep with it under the bed, mmmm what does that imply?

As an off the cuff reply, I'd say the local cop is looking for some extra overtime.

Skyryder

[Goblin]

Well I'm not going to bash the cops cos I was in a chase yesterday & got let off!! The nice officer saw me take off from the lights, I hit neutral and embarrassed the hell outa myself and carried on down the road in a 60 zone. Got around the corner into a 50 zone industrial area and opened it up...as you do on the last leg to home. Pulled into my mates driveway followed by disco lights. I got off my bike & went straight up to him & told him I never even saw him behind me...because I didn't! He was all agitated and asked if I had my licence on me so I gave it to him. He asked where I live & why Im at an industrial address(thought I was doing a runner). Told him the truth that I park my bike there as I only have a carport at home & my bike can be seen from the road so its safer to leave it at my mates shed. He asked how fast I was going down the industrial road but I didnt know as I wasnt looking at my speedo. I told him about hitting neutral after the lights & he said "Is that your story is it?" Yes that was the truth. I then told him it's the end of the school holidays and I was just out having a bit of stress relief. I was polite and honest with him and he said "Im not going to write you a ticket this time, but be honest, how fast were you going down that road?" I DONT KNOW! I didn't look at my speedo! Was only by chance that my rego was all up to date too, only got another couple of weeks last Thursday. So cops can use their descretion and can be reasonable if you are polite and honest with them in a traffic situation. Dont know about calling them for a hit & run or burglary tho as I've luckily never had to.

Thats the second time I've done an unintentional runner....only I got a $400 fine the first time.

[chanceyy]

You talking about the roadworks near Levin? Been at least one fatal there and heaps of slide-offs into the ditch - including that dumb cop who tried to do a U-turn to chase someone and underestimated the width of the shoulder and the depth of the ditch! Thankfully the road we use to get out is north of those roadworks so they don't affect us at all. Big pain if you get stuck in them every day - many people turn off at Tavistock then left into Koputaroa Road and within minutes you're on SH1.

ahh yes but you could quite easily say i live in the "middle" of the roadworks hell .. and i go to shannon twice a day to tend to my horses .. but work in Levin & yes since the roadworks have started there have been 8 accidents .. 1 fatality .. previous 3 yrs .. nothing

Just waiting to see if transit are going to move the house .. since if a car came off the road now no way its gonna miss hitting me .... ( that should tell you where i live LOL )

[jaybee180]

In regards to the oringinal story - yes you do need to make a complaint to the PCA. It's only by highlighting these sorts of things that they get attention. HOWEVER, you do need to realise that if indeed there was no one available - then there probably wasn't!

The heirarchy have just told us in Hamilton of the new recruits that we will be getting and how they will bring us up to strength - YEAH RIGHT!!! Approximately 36 cops have left this area this year already. I think we are due to get approx 40 new cops by the end of the year. You do the math! But according to the powers that be that will make us up to strength.

Them's the facts boys!

[Ozzie]

In regards to the oringinal story - yes you do need to make a complaint to the PCA. It's only by highlighting these sorts of things that they get attention. HOWEVER, you do need to realise that if indeed there was no one available - then there probably wasn't!

The heirarchy have just told us in Hamilton of the new recruits that we will be getting and how they will bring us up to strength - YEAH RIGHT!!! Approximately 36 cops have left this area this year already. I think we are due to get approx 40 new cops by the end of the year. You do the math! But according to the powers that be that will make us up to strength.

Them's the facts boys!

Up to strength with recruits!!!!! Look out if any experience is required!!!

Add to that, 40 new recruits, with 40 experienced baby sitters, how many effective, available, experienced officers will that leave?

What is the run in period for a cop? Rest of us, they say it is at least 6 months before a new staff member become self sufficient and has a positive impact on workflows.

[SPman]

If our tax actually went to cops mate, how much goes in supporting people too lazy to work?


And I mean how stuppid is it that you can only smoke in a Marae but no other public places when they have one of the worlds worst smoking rates? That sir is the current governments one eyed logic.

start spending the taxes on things appropriatly and there is no need to raise them.

Aaaaah - but Transit are going to pay the police a "contribution" towards "road safety" now.........

[spudchucka]

My dog sleeps in the garage.....the Fucker hates being woken up....:doobey:
Thats much better than a burglar alarm as far as I'm concerned, especially if the potential burglar is one that has previously had an experience with a land shark.

[spudchucka]

What is the run in period for a cop? Rest of us, they say it is at least 6 months before a new staff member become self sufficient and has a positive impact on workflows.
Six months would see the average cop reasonable competent in most areas. 18 months to 3 years before they are 100% self sufficient and needing very little supervision.

[Ozzie]

Six months would see the average cop reasonable competent in most areas. 18 months to 3 years before they are 100% self sufficient and needing very little supervision.

What's the current turn over rate? Or another way, how long is the average length of service?

[Finn]

Six months would see the average cop reasonable competent in most areas. 18 months to 3 years before they are 100% self sufficient and needing very little supervision.

5 years plus and they're burnt out and turn into angry little men.:blip:

[Swoop]

This mornings harold...

Police tackle crowd of boy racers

7.00am Monday July 17, 2006


Police spent several hours last night trying to disperse a group of about 100 boy racers who had gathered on McLaughlins Road in Wiri.

The group started gathering around 6.30pm.

"They were hooning around and throwing bottles at the police, who were trying to quell the situation," a police spokesman said.

Officers had dispersed the crowd by around 9.30pm. No arrests were made and no one was hurt.


THREE HOURS to disperse some boi ricers??? WTF???
Did they form a committee and then raise points of interest? Subcommittee involvement?

FFS lob some fecking teargas at the tossers and let them run home to mummy!

[spudchucka]

What's the current turn over rate? Or another way, how long is the average length of service?
Sorry, I can't give you a accurate answer on that one. The staff that are resigning, retiring, perfing etc are published in our staff news; the last issue (23 June) had 14 resignations, two retirements and two that perfed. In addition there were 9 non-sworn staff that left the police. Every issue you see cops of all experience levels leaving but I wouldn't have the faintest idea what the average length of service is.

[Lou Girardin]

I guess the bosses don't think they have a problem. Just like they think they have enough cops.

[Ozzie]

Sorry, I can't give you a accurate answer on that one. The staff that are resigning, retiring, perfing etc are published in our staff news; the last issue (23 June) had 14 resignations, two retirements and two that perfed. In addition there were 9 non-sworn staff leave that left the police. Every issue you see cops of all experience levels leaving but I wouldn't have the faintest idea what the average length of service is.

Seems to me, if they aren't fully up with it for 3 years, and av length of service is only marginally longer (guess!), and the seniors are getting the shits with the bullshit laws; staffing; publicity etc....we are pretty f*cked.

Crime from what I understand is not getting any less prevalent, police ability to be effective is, which for the record I don't believe is the police themselves. Although, as stated in other threads, there are a few that need to find a mirror and have a good long hard look at themselves.

[PuppetMaster]

Ive not read this thread.

The justice system can be quantified by this -
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10391660


We look after trees better than we look after people.:yawn:

[Ixion]

This mornings harold...

Police tackle crowd of boy racers

7.00am Monday July 17, 2006


Police spent several hours last night trying to disperse a group of about 100 boy racers who had gathered on McLaughlins Road in Wiri.

The group started gathering around 6.30pm.

"They were hooning around and throwing bottles at the police, who were trying to quell the situation," a police spokesman said.

Officers had dispersed the crowd by around 9.30pm. No arrests were made and no one was hurt.


THREE HOURS to disperse some boi ricers??? WTF???
Did they form a committee and then raise points of interest? Subcommittee involvement?

FFS lob some fecking teargas at the tossers and let them run home to mummy!


Three hours is not unreasonable. Lotsa boi-racers, could have gotten really ugly. better to spend a bit of time talking, keep things under control.

They all dispersed, no trouble, no nastiness, no arrests, isn't that the ideal?

I'd call that good policing m'self. Got the result with the minimum of aggro for all concerned. Lot better than blasting in like Rambo and having people and cops carted away in the ambos. And a nasty rancorous running sore in the cop-public relationship.

Well done, whatever Plod was in charge of that.

[Finn]

Come Ixion, they're just kids having fun. Didn't you used to have Dad's Model T up on two wheels when you were a teenager?

[spudchucka]

Seems to me, if they aren't fully up with it for 3 years,
18 months - 3 years seems, (in my experience) to be the length of time it takes most new cops to get to a stage where they are fully competent and able to deal with any situation on their own without requiring input from those senior to them or requiring high levels of supervision.

Each cop is different though, some get there a lot sooner than others, while others (a very small number) never seem to get the hang of things and end up working in traffic, (or Court Section, the Watch-House etc etc) because they can't cope with the complexities of the criminal work and the stress of night shifts, preparing Court files etc etc.

Thats not to say all the traffic cops are rejects, some are really good cops that choose that area of work because it suits their personal situation.

[spudchucka]

I guess the bosses don't think they have a problem. Just like they think they have enough cops.
Its slowly becoming apparent to them that they do have a recruitment problem although I think they are still in denial that there is a retention issue.

[Indoo]

I guess the bosses don't think they have a problem. Just like they think they have enough cops.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3723646a11,00.html

There is no problem Lou, a guy sitting in an office in Wellington told us so.

[spudchucka]

Police have resorted to creative tactics to attract new recruits. In the past week they began focusing on young school-leavers and made the fitness test easier, meaning potential recruits can be slower, short-sighted, hard of hearing or asthmatic and still pass. Ms King confirmed recruiters were door-knocking former officers who had recently resigned after short police careers.
Creative tactics? Really? Unfit, short sighted, hard of hearing school leavers? God help us!

And door knocking former officers? Shit Lou, they might even try to make a retread out of you.

[SPman]

The shits just hit the fan over here, with recruits, who fail the psychological, fitness and intelligence tests have been recruited anyway!!!!!
People are not happy.........
And the cops are going on strike and work to rule over wages.....

[Lou Girardin]

Creative tactics? Really? Unfit, short sighted, hard of hearing school leavers? God help us!

And door knocking former officers? Shit Lou, they might even try to make a retread out of you.

My carcass won't take a retread.
Sometimes I almost pity you guys at having to work for such a moronic crowd of incompetents. They spend more time arguing semantics than fixing problems.
Our MOT bosses were paragons compared to your lot.

[spudchucka]

My carcass won't take a retread.
Sometimes I almost pity you guys at having to work for such a moronic crowd of incompetents. They spend more time arguing semantics than fixing problems.
Our MOT bosses were paragons compared to your lot.
And the pricks won't even give us our boots for free!

[Lou Girardin]

And the pricks won't even give us our boots for free!

Yeah, what's with that?
We used to get issue undies from the MOT.
OK, they had Property of MOT printed on them, but you just went commando on dates.

[spudchucka]

Yeah, what's with that?
We used to get issue undies from the MOT.
OK, they had Property of MOT printed on them, but you just went commando on dates.
Thanks Lou, I'm just a teensy bit uncomfortable with those mental images.

[Lou Girardin]

Thanks Lou, I'm just a teensy bit uncomfortable with those mental images.

I'm surprised you pictured it!
So you really DO care after all.

[spudchucka]

Of course I care! Have a hug.....:hug:

[MIRK]

like so say i had a guy run up the rear of my car only $600 damage, he took off strait away so i chaced him, young idiot dodnt know how to drive so wasnt hard to keep up, the fool ran in the direction of home i guess cos he ended up crashed again into the back of his fathers 4x4 right outside of their place, he then took off on foot around the back yard and got away. cops took half an hour to turn up even tho we were telling them where we were by cell phone chaceing him all the way. then his father tries to defend him. long and short his car was a 3k write off and mine got repaired at his fathers expense. really got me thinking what you teach your children these days. this was like getting blood out of a stone for me tho.....

[peasea]

Come Ixion, they're just kids having fun. Didn't you used to have Dad's Model T up on two wheels when you were a teenager?

In the course of my work I went out on the 'rampage' with some boy racers a few years back, probably 04, I'd need to check, but it was amazing. A few skids went down with a dozen or so cars about 1.00am, then they all scattered and jumped into their cars. the text thing had just taken hold and everyone headed for Walters Rd in (I think) Papakura, by the netball courts etc. Huge carparks and whatnot. I have never seen so many vehicles assembled in one spot for an impromtu gathering! The traffic went forever and the tailights we saw along the road on the way there looked like luminous crazy string.

There were about 1500 vehicles and well over 2,000 people there, mostly (I have to admit) well behaved. I'm not really into Jap cars but some of these things were serious in so many ways, bling and power. A few dorks started pulling skids, nobody hurt except perhaps for one guy in a Mazda who put his dunga in a ditch. Much mirth etc., bruised ego, nothing more.

It was starting to wind down at about 3.30am when the police arrived. A squad car was positioned pretty much centrally and over the PA came the bellowed command to "disperse". Bottles started flying and the whole scene went downhill from there. All exits were promptly blocked and WOF, rego and license checks were done until dawn. Huge resources, little return. Sure one or two were picked up for driving dunga's (ever done that in your teen years???) and there were a few drinking that were well under age. Big deal. Even we got hassled in a stock-standard Commodore, fully legal and in my late forties!

I thought afterward (as did my lady) that the time and effort involved was not worth it. As I said, it was winding down by 3.30-ish and if they'd been left alone I think the vast majority would have been gone an hour later. I wonder who made the call to turf them out and (basically) start a fight? As an observer, there for a reason, I thought then, and still do, the police have better things to do.

C'mon Scummy.....comment?

[peasea]

If I caught some F**K on my property trying to get into my house to rape my wife or worse steal my bike, I'd shoot 'em.
One of my mates used to live rural and they had major problems with trespassers. He lived with his elderly mother, asked what he should do if someone broke into his house, as they were about an hour away from help, the cop said you have an AR15 sleep with it under the bed, mmmm what does that imply?


It wasn't so long ago a buddy of mine was chilling with his missus in the lounge, the last track on the stereo finished and they were sitting in the candlelight, canoodling when they heard 'crunch, crunch, crunch' on the gravel drive. Mate leaps up, doesn't turn on any lights and spots this jerk trying to get into the garage (where a primo 56 Chevy street machine is housed). Mate grabs bat, sneaks out back door and bashes jerk while wife rings cops. Cops finally arrive but mate is buggered from holding onto jerk. Hats off to cops for turning a blind eye to jerks injuries. Out in the sticks you're really on your own but I think that country bobbies are more inclined to go with the flow, they know the commuinty better and my mate isn't inclined to bash people without good reason.

[scumdog]

I thought afterward (as did my lady) that the time and effort involved was not worth it. As I said, it was winding down by 3.30-ish and if they'd been left alone I think the vast majority would have been gone an hour later. I wonder who made the call to turf them out and (basically) start a fight? As an observer, there for a reason, I thought then, and still do, the police have better things to do.

C'mon Scummy.....comment?

Can't really, wasn't there.

I guess SOMEBODY thought there was reason to move the guys on, maybe when things start to 'wind-down' is the time when things DO get out of hand?? I dunno...??:scratch:

[peasea]

Can't really, wasn't there.

Fair enough: How long's a piece of string huh?

[peasea]

Can't really, wasn't there.

I guess SOMEBODY thought there was reason to move the guys on, maybe when things start to 'wind-down' is the time when things DO get out of hand?? I dunno...??:scratch:

I was thinking about re-visiting the scene actually. The local councils appear to be wringing their collective hands over the issue and frontline bobbies are overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of these young'uns. What's wrong with a burnout pad (fully indemnified) in south Akld? Or any other city for that matter. I hear ChCh and Hamilton are two "Areas of concern"............

C'mon, it's gonna happen and the sooner it does the better the community will be for it. Leave the skids at the race track......simple.

They just need a place to make that differential and I have to say; Champion Dragway goes a long way to encourgaing youngsters into motorsport.

[scumdog]

I was thinking about re-visiting the scene actually. The local councils appear to be wringing their collective hands over the issue and frontline bobbies are overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of these young'uns. What's wrong with a burnout pad (fully indemnified) in south Akld? Or any other city for that matter. I hear ChCh and Hamilton are two "Areas of concern"............

C'mon, it's gonna happen and the sooner it does the better the community will be for it. Leave the skids at the race track......simple.

They just need a place to make that differential and I have to say; Champion Dragway goes a long way to encourgaing youngsters into motorsport.

I've sort of 'been-there-done-that' regarding the burnout/skids/street racing problem and made a couple of observations:

(1)Drags: Most of the 'boy racer' types are not so keen on an organised drag race, their 12 second car somehow ends up doing a low 16 second 1/4 mile and everybody who knows them will see they're full of crap. Also a certain amount would struggle to get their car through scrutineering.

(2)Burnouts: You aren't allowed to have mates in the car with you in the car or have them lifting the drive end of the car up/ put oil or water on the road surface to get the car going if you're on a designated burn-out pad. Again there is the 'mates will see how piss-poor it really is' factor.

(3) Circuit racing - Again can't take mates, everybody would see what a crap driver you really are and what crap your car REALLY is, also to be competetive you would have to knowingly be prepared to risk bending your pride-and-joy.

Generally the negative side of the organised car contests is the fact they ARE organised, you need safety gear and you can't do them with your mates in the car with you. (and as a cynical note: while they're drunk/stoned with the stereo blaring and throwing their V bottles/stubbies etc out the window while txting at random.)

Those with a real competitive nature will attend organised races/drags and WILL spend money on their car to make it faster, handle better etc instead of on 'bling' and pose crap.

[peasea]

I've sort of 'been-there-done-that' regarding the burnout/skids/street racing problem and made a couple of observations:

(1)Drags: Most of the 'boy racer' types are not so keen on an organised drag race, their 12 second car somehow ends up doing a low 16 second 1/4 mile and everybody who knows them will see they're full of crap. Also a certain amount would struggle to get their car through scrutineering.

(2)Burnouts: You aren't allowed to have mates in the car with you in the car or have them lifting the drive end of the car up/ put oil or water on the road surface to get the car going if you're on a designated burn-out pad. Again there is the 'mates will see how piss-poor it really is' factor.

(3) Circuit racing - Again can't take mates, everybody would see what a crap driver you really are and what crap your car REALLY is, also to be competetive you would have to knowingly be prepared to risk bending your pride-and-joy.

Generally the negative side of the organised car contests is the fact they ARE organised, you need safety gear and you can't do them with your mates in the car with you. (and as a cynical note: while they're drunk/stoned with the stereo blaring and throwing their V bottles/stubbies etc out the window while txting at random.)

Those with a real competitive nature will attend organised races/drags and WILL spend money on their car to make it faster, handle better etc instead of on 'bling' and pose crap.

errm, yeah, so just giving up is the answer huh? How about getting involved in what these teens are doing? (Not you personally, I mean parents etc.) Too hard? I give up heaps of hours to spend time with my two teenage daughters, get to know them, their mates and what's going down. Yes, it's expensive, yes it's time consuming and yes, I get on really well with them. My eldest daughter's boyfriend recently made this comment; "you're the best dad ever". Accolades like that don't come from just giving up. Doing a good job of parenting is probably the most important thing in life; get it wrong and the generations that follow will be 'screw-ups'. The job I do at home makes for a 'safer community' and it ultimately makes your job (as a copper) easier.

My girls have grown up around motorcycles and V8's. They have seen the difference between winners and also-rans, they know that to get to the top of a particular class takes time, cash and determination. Sure I get speeding tickets, sure I do skids but I've also shown that REAL power belongs on the track. I've built small block Chevy's that will cover the quarter in seven seconds and I know that the best place for that crap IS the race track! So do my kids. I look at the tossers on Auckland's streets late at night and wonder where the hell their head is at. There is NO direction, no leadership and I can't see any positive parenting anywhere. Teens are powerful people; that power needs to have direction and, given that, they will shine. Stomp on them and they fight back in a most negative fashion, making enemies as they go. The positive aspects (such as are part of Champion Dragway's incentives) need to be supported.

Not so long ago a Christchurch dude was trying to get the 'boy racers' onto the Ruapuna race track but had stumbling blocks put in front of him by the local councils etc. What bollocks is that? Councils, car clubs and even coppers need to be pro-active but in saying that I (again) don't envy the cops, they are faced with what seems to be an insurmountable flow of youngsters (fuelled on alcopops, P and gawd knows what) on a regular basis, doing skids galore and all trying so hard to kill themselves (and others) at high speed. The people above the frontline bobbies (read politicians) need to get behind those folk who are trying to put a positive spin (bad pun I know) on motorsports.

You're quite right Scummy; many of the boy racer cars wouldn't pass muster at organized events but I'm sure that, given time (like drunk driving) not passing muster for a race event will be frowned upon by their peers. It's about education. Teach these buggers how to extract the best from their machine in the safest possible environment and in the end we all will win.

Don't give up; fuck that.

[scumdog]

errm, yeah, so just giving up is the answer huh? How about getting involved in what these teens are doing? (Not you personally, I mean parents etc.) Too hard?
There is NO direction, no leadership and I can't see any positive parenting anywhere. Teens are powerful people; that power needs to have direction and, given that, they will shine. Stomp on them and they fight back in a most negative fashion, making enemies as they go. The positive aspects (such as are part of Champion Dragway's incentives) need to be supported.

You're quite right Scummy; many of the boy racer cars wouldn't pass muster at organized events but I'm sure that, given time (like drunk driving) not passing muster for a race event will be frowned upon by their peers. It's about education. Teach these buggers how to extract the best from their machine in the safest possible environment and in the end we all will win.

Don't give up; fuck that.

The things is peasea, a lot of teenagers don't WANT adult involvement, the reason they get out in their cars and cruise with like aged/like minded mates.

They only want acceptance and approval from others of the same age, they are still to dumb to realise the 'oldies' are the makers'n'shakers of their world

Most of the time if the parent(s) haven't got the kid sorted by the time they're still quite young the kids don't realise there are limitations and consequences in the world.

Too many still have what I call the 'school yard mentality' - they think the world around them is just a big extention of the shool yards they have just spent the last ten+ years of their lives swanning around in where all that counted was their peers and they could do as they liked with little consequence.

It comes as a horrible shock to find out that some people don't accept their childish exscuses, that there are people who WON'T believe their lies, that they DO have to turn up for PD, that they CAN have their car whipped from under their butt and the list goes on..

And some say I'm cynical:innocent:

BTW I do realise there is a whole lot of good keen responsible kids out there who are a credit to their folks - but these ones are not the ones we are discussing and not the ones I generally meet and who are in the shit to various degrees.

[Patrick]

Last night i was watching tv, when i heard this almight screetch and bang,
.....yet this morning i passed mr plod" as he pulled someone over " lets write another ticket.


Hmmm... gotta state the obvious here... busy last night, not so busy the next day perhaps?

Bad call on the operators part... I am picking they didn't realise that the crash was as bad as it was. The plate being left behind was a gimme and the offenders returning... damn.. all too easy... Gotta love it when that happens, I've had a few like that, (where the plate is left behind...) arrive at their home, breath test, usually over the limit... lets go for a ride...

[Patrick]

Cop Shop close's here in Warkworth at around 5pm and thats it till 8.30 the next day......emergency?... call Orewa
Great right up Zukin/GIXSer.....:first:

You sure? They are on call...

[Patrick]

errm, yeah, .....etc etc...

Don't give up; fuck that.

Good write up, quite right and all...

Unfortunately we are the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff, that has to pick up all the pieces. You are lucky with your kids, as I am with mine, but they aren't the ones we have to deal with. They have respect for people and property, many do not respect anything or any one. "Do what you want, no consequences" is the main theme these days.

[peasea]

Good write up, quite right and all...

You are lucky with your kids,

Thanks, but....I'm not sure if I've been "lucky" with my kids there's been a lot of hard work and communcation gone in and at 15 and 17 we're not out of the woods yet.

Respect for other people and their property was taught to them at an early age and YES I smacked their bum when they got it wrong. Now I don't have to smack them, it's like puppy training, get that right and you get a bloody good dog. People who don't discipline their kids from an early age should be prosecuted, not the bum smackers. Sue Bradford and her ilk need a rocket, things will only get worse with all that anti-smacking bollocks.

[peasea]

[QUOTE=scumdog;1024369]The things is peasea, a lot of teenagers don't WANT adult involvement, the reason they get out in their cars and cruise with like aged/like minded mates.


Most of the time if the parent(s) haven't got the kid sorted by the time they're still quite young the kids don't realise there are limitations and consequences in the world.QUOTE]

Quite right, I didn't want my parents looking over my shoulder when I was a teenager either and in fact my parents weren't in the slightest bit interested in what I was doing. They'd go and watch my sisters play netball or dance ballet, go see a play that my brother was acting in but not once did they come and watch us at the track. Sure, I spent most of my time with similarly aged mates but there were one or two older mentors who really made a difference. It's a pity there aren't more around today.

Yes, the kids need to be sorted at an early age or you give yourself a problem for later years.

[Patrick]

Thanks, but....I'm not sure if I've been "lucky" with my kids there's been a lot of hard work and communcation gone in and at 15 and 17 we're not out of the woods yet.

Respect for other people and their property was taught to them at an early age and YES I smacked their bum when they got it wrong. Now I don't have to smack them, it's like puppy training, get that right and you get a bloody good dog. People who don't discipline their kids from an early age should be prosecuted, not the bum smackers. Sue Bradford and her ilk need a rocket, things will only get worse with all that anti-smacking bollocks.

:yes: :first: :niceone: :banana: :2thumbsup :clap: :drinkup: :yeah:

Don't know what else to say... You running for PM???? I'll vote for ya!

[scumdog]

Re the above post - I agree, with pups it's the first 4 months, kids the first 4 years.

If you show them whose the boss, that there's consequences and rules consistantly for that period of time you are waaay less likely to have problems with them later.

Not many troublesome kids come from a mum&dad family that is fair but firm with good values who CARE for their kids. (sorry if I offend single parent families who have successfully brought up kids but kids from those families feature with me)

Doesn't always work - my 15 year old got pulled over for not having a light on his push-bike, grrr! bloody rebel larrikin!!

[Swoop]

Doesn't always work - my 15 year old got pulled over for not having a light on his push-bike, grrr! bloody rebel larrikin!!
Where? Your driveway? :rofl:

[scumdog]

The things is peasea, a lot of teenagers don't WANT adult involvement, the reason they get out in their cars and cruise with like aged/like minded mates.


Most of the time if the parent(s) haven't got the kid sorted by the time they're still quite young the kids don't realise there are limitations and consequences in the world.

Quite right, I didn't want my parents looking over my shoulder when I was a teenager either and in fact my parents weren't in the slightest bit interested in what I was doing. They'd go and watch my sisters play netball or dance ballet, go see a play that my brother was acting in but not once did they come and watch us at the track. Sure, I spent most of my time with similarly aged mates but there were one or two older mentors who really made a difference. It's a pity there aren't more around today.

Yes, the kids need to be sorted at an early age or you give yourself a problem for later years.

So, so true - I'd bling you if I was allowed.

If all parents followed that last comment we'd have a shitload less trouble from young ones.