A cage tried to kill me... [Archive]

9cents

17th July 2006, 17:59

I know bikers tend exaggerate a lil bit and say that cagers are all out to get us but this guy.... man...

I was tootling along out of Flagstaff (Hamiltron) and pulled up at a T intersection to turn left. It has two lanes one for people turning left, one for people turning right. I'm in the right hand tyre track of the people turning left lane. The 4x4 that had been following me quite closely pulls up to the left of me, winds down his window and yells a stream of incoherent neanderthal speak to which I reply with my middle finger. He yells some more as I ride off somewhat puzzled. Not quite sure what that was all about, maybe it's because I was only going 60 in a 50 zone ...hmmm anyways.

He follows me and stays right up my ass even though I overtake a few people he keeps following me.
I get to Gordington, enter the 70 zone and slow right down to 70. Naturally he takes it upon himself to pull up along my left side, he looks at me and starts moving over towards me and starts physically pushing me and my bike with his 4x4 into the oncoming traffic. Fuck that. I brake and let him go.

I was kinda mad so followed him for about 50km watching him drive like a retard overtaking other people in some rather stupid places. I'm not sure if it was to get away from me or if that's the way he normally drives.
Anyways if you see a grey 4x4, rego number WN7798 it may pay to stear well clear of this moron.
Aside from that it was actually a damn fine ride, starting to find my zone a lot quicker now :yes:

sAsLEX

17th July 2006, 18:21

Go to the cop shop and lay a complaint, that was attempted murder maybe a call form the police will sharpen his act! In the states you would be able to reply with deadly force !

Quartida

17th July 2006, 18:26

What the hell?!

I agree with Saslex. You've got his rego and everything. There is no way he can justify those sort of actions. There is nothing you can do that should make a cage think think that it's their right to push you into traffic (i.e. try to kill you).

People like this need to be taken off the road.

Jonny Rotten

17th July 2006, 18:27

what a wanker !!!! go to the cops and file something they will go around and have a nice chat with him..... or go to the post office with his rego and you can find out where he lives

RantyDave

17th July 2006, 18:29

or go to the post office with his rego and you can find out where he lives
Yeah, what is this all about? I've seen a couple of references to finding where someone lives of their registration ... can you really reverse engineer a rego into an address as a 'civilian'?

Dave

justsomeguy

17th July 2006, 18:30

justsomeguy

17th July 2006, 18:32

what a wanker !!!! go to the cops and file something they will go around and have a nice chat with him

Excellent idea, if you have the time.:first:

..... or go to the post office with his rego and you can find out where he lives

And then what??

You smash through his door with a karate kick and rough him up and teach him how it's done??:wait:

DougB

17th July 2006, 18:33

GULP!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was cruising about in this area today on my bike, out to Gordonton and back via Flagstaff. Scary

Macktheknife

17th July 2006, 18:34

Lay the complaint asap, make it obvious to them how pissed off you are and scared etc. Keep a sharp eye out fo rthe same nutjob from now on.
BTW you can get address and owner details from the post office if you pay a small fee and show your photo ID.

Jonny Rotten

17th July 2006, 18:34

slash his tyres....or knock on his door at 2 am and run away.....and keep doin it every few days at random times hahahaha

Jonny Rotten

17th July 2006, 18:36

andrea

17th July 2006, 18:37

oh shit man do what the others say and report the mutha farker, grrrrr its farkers like those that just make me wanna smack them down and just boot them with my steal caps. its a good thing im not a violent person, pffft, but yeah why didnt you pull over and ring the cops or something. whats that number *555 or something to report loose cunts

andrea

17th July 2006, 18:44

maybe the guy was farked off cause his wife told him he had a small dick and she probably told him that giving him head was like puffing on a farken small as joint

Toast

17th July 2006, 18:46

Yeah, what is this all about? I've seen a couple of references to finding where someone lives of their registration ... can you really reverse engineer a rego into an address as a 'civilian'?

Dave

Yep, just go to the post office, costs $2 or something...sometimes the cop at the shop will give it to you, but I don't think they're meant to.

There was talk that they would stop selling such info at the post office.

sAsLEX

17th July 2006, 18:48

Total time 5 seconds - end of problem.

get caught by the cop who wont listen to your story, loose your license, your job and your family

great idea.

Where as assualt in this country get suspended sentances most of the time and that only if your caught!

Kickaha

17th July 2006, 18:54

get caught by the cop who wont listen to your story, loose your license, your job and your family

great idea.

Where as assualt in this country get suspended sentances most of the time and that only if your caught!

It's a better idea than risking a conviction for assault

justsomeguy

17th July 2006, 18:54

get caught by the cop who wont listen to your story, loose your license, your job and your family

You writing the script for an episode of the Simpsons??

If I see a cop in those 5 seconds I would ride straight to them and report the cage.

I'm pretty sure a cop will be able to tell whether you're lying as you won't be able to hide your excitement/fear/anger in the heat of the moment.

ZeroIndex

17th July 2006, 18:56

did you have your 'L' plate on? if so, take it off.. i found that helped a bit (as a similar, although not as bad, thing happened to me a while back)

Fub@r

17th July 2006, 18:56

There was talk that they would stop selling such info at the post office.

Exactly why I refuse to give a physical address when I register a car or motorbike..........I have a nut job ex so its the only way to stop her finding where I live.

Also if you have flash wheels it would pay to do the same, hence why at car shows people remove number plates so the little crims cant case your car at show and pay you a visit later

justsomeguy

17th July 2006, 18:57

Exactly why I refuse to give a physical address when I register a car or motorbike

Is that legal???

Fub@r

17th July 2006, 19:12

Is that legal???

nope :nono:

If someone persits on wanting address I explain reason etc and pick one out of the phone book :)

I have never registered a vehicle to my true address in 15 years

justsomeguy

17th July 2006, 19:14

nope :nono:

If someone persits on wanting address I explain reason etc and pick one out of the phone book :)

Well that's risky - as that person will get your mail (letters saying your rego is due, etc) and since they have your rego details they can easily report you for providing false info.

Unforgiven

17th July 2006, 19:17

And then what??

You smash through his door with a karate kick and rough him up and teach him how it's done??:wait:

Personaly I would drop a nice little note in his letterbox, informing him of your opinion of his driveing and pointing out how easy he was to track down :blip:
Dont make threats tho - thats illegal :innocent:

Toast

17th July 2006, 19:18

Well that's risky - as that person will get your mail (letters saying your rego is due, etc) and since they have your rego details they can easily report you for providing false info.

Pretty sure you can specify a postal address too.

Fub@r

17th July 2006, 19:24

I used to just provide a postal address but now they insist on a physical address.

As far as I'm concerned they are providing confidential information which goes against the privacy act. Most people can't be arsed to say they getting someone elses mail, especially a rego reminder. If there is a police reason that they need to get hold of you they will have my correct details on my license.

Also ask people that didnt take these precautions with their pride and joy and come home to find it gone. Had a woman in my office few years back that owned an original 05 Brock Commodore, had been personally signed a number of times when he would come over to host that cop show. They get home one day car is gone, they recon the guys spent 4-5 hrs getting it going. One possible reason for knowing where it was, was that the car was registered to that address.

Another example ring up a mates employer when he's not at work and ask for his home number, chances are you wont get it as it breeches the privacy act if they do. A classic one is when you are dealing with IRD they will never give you their surname to refer to in corespondance as that info could lead to someone tracking you down for being a nasty little taxman.

Examples are endless yet some crim can go to a post office and pay $2.75 and get my info

pixc

17th July 2006, 19:34

https://www.vir.co.nz/

Go here if you want to find out all the details about the vehicle. $25 and you have it all. Name address, phone number etc.
I used it to locate the bastard who pinched my work van. They dumped the vehicle but took the credit card and used it. It really pissed me off so I did some of my own investigating. One of the shops they used the card was suspicious of them and noted their vehicle rego.I Gave all the info to the police...I dont think they did anything about it tho. No one arrested etc :-(

I heard somewhere that you can change the ownership details of someone else vehicle quite easily too. Not sure if this true or not. You could really piss someone off doing that.

thehollowmen

17th July 2006, 19:38

Photo the area of the bike he hit. There is likely to be paint left along this.

Go to the copshop and file a report asap. Some cops out there are bikers, some are human and by god they get so worked up.

I had this happen to me a couple of months ago. I took down the wrong rego though, so they couldn't do anything about it.The cop who listened to me was bright red with rage and I was worried he'd break the keyboard as he filed the incident report.

What this guy did was illegal, and you could have been killed. Only your skills at staying upright and braking stopped you from being mincemeat. Tell the police and let them deal with the fucker. And if they don't, there is higher up that you can go.

Hitcher

17th July 2006, 19:42

Cagers out to kill bikers? Surely not...

Brett

17th July 2006, 20:36

Lay a complaint against the SOB. Or next time, lay a few punches down the side of the car...most biker gloves have carbon fibre knuckles so don;t hurt much. Only done it once but te focker deserved having his wing mirror smashed off.

adam666

17th July 2006, 20:59

Damn, idiots are everywhere. glad to hear you survived ok!
as that other fella said, never know what they might be on, P'd up to the eyeballs, or 'going to jail for life already' murderous intent

As soon as it happens, *555 them. then if any patrol cars are in the area they will pull him over

You can now file bad driving reports online, so its mandatory!
if hes driving like that, theres every chance your not the only one pissed at his lack of driving etiquette. they keep a history of complaints etc so they all add up, not sure how many it takes to get a visit from the plod?
1st complaint -he'll get a letter AFAIK ( i did lol)
2nd or 3rd complaint -maybe get a visit? maybe a bit optimistic
(they are after all very busy filling those quotas!)

if you want it investigated for pressing charges/taking them to court you must make a formal complaint at a police station.

cheers
Adam

paturoa

17th July 2006, 21:14

go here online and see what happens...

http://www.police.govt.nz/service/road/roadwatch.html

let us know what happens

adam666

17th July 2006, 21:38

go here online and see what happens...

http://www.police.govt.nz/service/road/roadwatch.html

let us know what happens

doh, knew id forgotten something :)

filled it out a couple of times recently.....gotta watch those damn bus drivers too !

they'll just email you back - saying:

"Thank you dirk diggler for submitting your Community Roadwatch Report.

If needed, we will email you back.

On some occasions, a reply may not be necessary.
However, if your message does require a reply,
we will endeavour to respond to you shortly.

Thank you again.

New Zealand Police Road Safety Team
http://www.police.govt.nz/service/road"
--

And thats about it most of the time Id say

cheers
Adam

paturoa

17th July 2006, 21:48

been tempted myself a couple of times to fill it in but haven't, anyone else done this and got a meaningful response?

Beemer

18th July 2006, 08:54

I had someone do this to me recently but I was in a car at the time! I was sitting behind him in a line of cars and when the first passing opportunity came up I expected him to go as he was right on the tail of the car in front of him, but he just sat there, so when the next straight came up I pulled out and overtook him and the car directly in front of him. He was obviously pissed off at this so he immediately overtook and sat on my tail. Each time I overtook a car he pulled out with me, even on a couple of occasions where there really wasn't room for two cars to get into the gap I was moving into. He even pulled out on yellow lines to ensure he was right behind me again. I was driving into the sun so couldn't easily see his rego or I would have reported him because he was freaking me out. It's not like I overtook him dangerously or prevented him from overtaking.

Let's face it, some people are psychos and no matter what we do, they will try to kill us!

As for those community road watch forms, bit of a waste of time if you ask me. I've filled out several online and in one instance, because it was dusk and the van looked white to me (it had no lights on so it was hard to tell) and I found out later it was actually pale grey, they wrote to me saying that I had got the details wrong and as the details didn't match the rego, they could not take any further action. We even stopped in at a cop shop once to lay a complaint about a moron in a BMW who was overtaking on double yellow lines and using oncoming passing lanes even when there were vehicles trying to legally overtake coming towards him, and all we got was the same response - "we have spoken to the driver and as he's promised NEVER to do it again, we slapped him on the wrist with a wet bus ticket and sent him on his merry way". I rarely bother now. I rang *555 to report loose gravel on a blind corner (I lost control on it and was lucky to stay on the road - unlike the poor bugger whose car was already in the ditch) and yet it was a week before anything was done about it and in the meantime there weren't even any warning signs put out. I saw heaps of cops driving back and forth on that road yet none of them did anything to ensure people were warned.

Squeak the Rat

18th July 2006, 09:03

Personally I wouldn't use the website above. This is aimed at dobbing in the guy who ran a red light, was speeding, scared an old granny etc. Don't get me wrong - these can be dangerous activities, but this guy was acting with INTENT to harm or kill you.

Go to the cop shop mate.

imdying

18th July 2006, 11:17

Each time I overtook a car he pulled out with me, even on a couple of occasions where there really wasn't room for two cars to get into the gap I was moving into.Learn to planif you're feeling bitchy... just over take the car in front with just enough room for you alone... and do it when there's oncoming traffic so he can't go behind, can't go past. Dangerous, but so satisfying when you stick it to em.

sunhuntin

18th July 2006, 12:51

beem, i had some young guys fly past me as i was heading into bulls one day...double yellow lines, with a passing lane on the other side with a truck making use of it. i was doing about 105k, give or take [downhill, so may have been faster] and they just whipped right past me. i nearly jumped off the other side of the bike, cos i was not expecting it, and certainly didnt expect the well-off looking geezers behind them to do the same!
turns out there was cops just inside bulls, so i stopped and reported both vehicles, they said "well radio ahead and they will try and get them" yeh right.

WRT

18th July 2006, 12:55

I was sitting behind him in a line of cars and when the first passing opportunity came up I expected him to go as he was right on the tail of the car in front of him, but he just sat there, so when the next straight came up I pulled out and overtook him and the car directly in front of him. He was obviously pissed off at this so he immediately overtook and sat on my tail.

Tis possible, in this highly taxed age, that he was wanting to use you as an "advance guard". I have in the past allowed people travelling faster than I to take the lead while I sat in behind them, using them as an early warning system if you will. I do a fair bit of open road driving/riding and see it fairly regularly amoungst other drivers as well. You can wind up with 3 or 4 cars all wanting to push along at a reasonable pace, yet no one wants to be the first car. They all hang back and juggle positions (especially on the new Waikato expressways) hoping someone else will take "point duty".

Perhaps this was the other drivers intention and he was just being overly defensive of his position in behind you. Note that I am not justifying his driving, merely offering an alternative to the "he was pissed at you" theory.

sAsLEX

18th July 2006, 12:58

Tis possible, in this highly taxed age, that he was wanting to use you as an "advance guard".

Yes i do this as well, IF on a dirty main highway and without electronic counter measures it is unwise to go too quick BUT if someone passes me I join on to his tail and keep pace

" First in line gets the fine! "

imdying

18th July 2006, 13:01

Hehehehe, I've got a mate who's a cop, he picks off the trailing cars for this very reason!

WRT

18th July 2006, 13:10

Hehehehe, I've got a mate who's a cop, he picks off the trailing cars for this very reason!

Yup, have heard of this happening. However, the tail lights of the guy in front are great for giving you a heads up - if you see him hit the picks in the middle of a straight, do the same, its likely to save you the ticket.

sAsLEX

18th July 2006, 13:51

Hehehehe, I've got a mate who's a cop, he picks off the trailing cars for this very reason!

I take offence to that action by the cop, as a trailing vehicle you have to spend more time concentratring on the person in front in case of braking them seeing a hazard and reacting before you etc

also it is human nature to follow the person in front, and since he is the one setting the pace it is him who is doing the worst and he should be the one being targeted! If I was pulled I would ask why he did not pull the guy in front?!

9cents

18th July 2006, 14:20

Small Update:
Thanks for the advice guys. Just been down to the local understaffed police station where the pleasant desk lady gave me a couple of pink forms to fill out. Will drop them off tomorrow as I've got work untill late. I'll keep you all informed as to anything that happens.

imdying

18th July 2006, 14:42

I take offence to that action by the cop...If I was pulled I would ask why he did not pull the guy in front?!Heh, well you're gonna love this... He knows that it pisses people like you off, and that spurs him on to do it. He also knows that you can't do a damn thing about it :lol:

sAsLEX

18th July 2006, 15:10

Heh, well you're gonna love this... He knows that it pisses people like you off, and that spurs him on to do it. He also knows that you can't do a damn thing about it :lol:

yeah I can. Vote with my throttle and see how he keeps up, after seeing the driving efforts in the latest targa rally I really dont think I have too much to worry about!

Good to see another cop keeping up their good image and keeping public respect for them at an all time high!

Kickaha

18th July 2006, 15:37

I take offence to that action by the cop, as a trailing vehicle you have to spend more time concentratring on the person in front in case of braking them seeing a hazard and reacting before you etc

Rubbish

If you're concentrating on the guy in front of you instead of your own riding/driving then you need a few more lessons :nya:

sAsLEX

18th July 2006, 17:18

Rubbish

If you're concentrating on the guy in front of you instead of your own riding/driving then you need a few more lessons :nya:

If you are concentrating on your speedo obviously your the one in need of retraining

Kickaha

18th July 2006, 17:53

If you are concentrating on your speedo obviously your the one in need of retraining

Can you just point out where I said anything about concentrating on my speedo?

GN1NiteStnd

19th July 2006, 14:27

I don't what it is with some cagers, trying to kill bikers and all. Cause the other day i was following one and he pulled over to the left while indicating left opposite this turn off, with me thinking that if I was on a faster bike i wouldve been able to pass the guy as he had been going 90 the whole way. then he decides to turn right, while hes still indicating left! lucky for me i had slowed down behind him, just incase he was, i dunno, blind!

Terminated

19th July 2006, 14:42

Or next time - don't look at him in the eye - don't give him the finger - just use your lanesplitting skills and put a couple of hundred meters between you.

Total time 5 seconds - end of problem.

You never know who the other guy is - a drunk, high on P, extremely angry cos he was fired, ripped off, found his wife cheating on him, clinically insane, a guy who's good at fighting and likes picking fights, etc......

And if your not in any hurry, let him be a couple of hundred metres in front of you.

Did he get your plate tag? Does he only drive that vehicle? Does he live in the area? What's the chances of being in the same area at the same time next time? You don't know. He's got the problem not you.

Report it this time if you want to.

Next time what would you do differently?

Pancakes

19th July 2006, 15:59

*555's all shit, My wife and I were coming back from St Lukes last Thursday night after a movie heading home on the N'Western to Whenuapai and a $wd was varying it's speed between 80 and 130, using alot of road to keep pointing in the right direction, we called *555 and started talking to them, during the conversation the driving got worse scraping the centre barrier then over to the bus lane/shouder and turning so hard we didn't get to close 'cos I thought it would flip. They nearly hita few people and we followed them to Taikata Road, Te Atatu peninsular and noted down the drive they went into. This had taken 20 minutes and the car was pretty distinctive two tone, plate given to the call centre too and #13, Sam Reihana in yellow on the rear window. I was driving and my wife was talking on the mobile, we waited in the shops nearby to direct the cops who we thought would have been interested to the correct house. Call the *555 operator back and get told no-one can respond, I thought they might actually be telling the truth cos if I was a cop and I could knock on someones door, have them answer drunk and feel their car was still hot there is a good chance of getting someone actually dangerous (probably not locked up) but let them know it's not on. Getting back on the Motorway there is a highway car 200m north of the Te Atau offramp!! I called *555 back and told them there was a car there and was it responding? They said highway cars don't respond to that type of call!! If he'd gone by them doing the same I bloody hope that he'd get pulled over so whats the difference if I call it in? Next time I get stopped for splitting I'm going to head off the motor way and see if they carry on following. I know there are highway cars and I cars and cdi and all the rest for a reason but when theres a sworn officer 2 minutes from a dangerous situation and they don't respond I find it real hard to not vent my frustration when the cash grabbers try to do me for 120 on a clear sunny day and I'm stone cold sober.

Lou Girardin

19th July 2006, 16:07

Getting back on the Motorway there is a highway car 200 north of the Te Atau offramp!! I called *555 back and told them there was a car there and was it responding? They said highway cars don't respond to that type of call!! .

Dontcha know HP are not there for road safety.

Pancakes

19th July 2006, 16:12

Its freakin' frustrating. I can't have been the only person to have complaind the way the 4wd was everywhere! Makes me want to just gap it when I see the red and blue lights. I normally stop and be polite and take my medicine, I've been making it way too easy! Thats the problem, they should have to work for their money like eveyone else. If there were two police forces and they had to compete to offer good service and results. It woudl be messed up for sure but things aren't far off that now.