Obtaining owner details from a plate no.

[WRT]

I've seen this mentioned a number of times in various threads, and its got me wondering. Based on the assumption that any old tom dick or harry can get your home address by looking up your rego number, I figured that it might pay to start a thread to discuss the various options available to help everyone protect their bikes.

It was mentioned by someone that you could use a fake address, I'm not sure this is wise as I would rather my mail went to someone I knew, and who I could trust not to use that info unwisely (or dob me in for providing false details).

My thought is that you are probably best to use the address of a family member that you can trust, and whom you wont be putting in danger by using them. For example, no way would I register anything to my Grandma's address - I would not want some would be bike theives turning up around at her address in the middle of the night looking for my bike.

Another good way to do this might be to register it to a PO Box number. Two grey areas about this tho - I'm not sure this is legal as someone has commented that you need a physical address (can a cop/lawyer comment please?), and also I have heard that it's possible to look up the details of the owner of a PO Box. Does anyone know if this is true as well?

I've read in other threads that you need to provide photo ID when going into the Post Office to get these details (obviously you dont need to online however). Does the post office record who has looked up your rego? If your bike does get stolen, can you go to the post office and ask them to tell you who has accessed your rego number?

[Str8 Jacket]

Anytime ANYONE looks up rego details it is recorded. This includes those of us that have access to LTSA details through work.
Also when I worked as a fines collector it was amazing how many people had given false addressess for their vehicles that had hundreds of $$ worth of fines that they did not know about and because of that the fines had reached enforcement level (extra $100 PER fine). So if you dont want to give your address definately give the address of someone you trust so that they can collect your mail, ie fines. Then you wont be surprised to find out that you owe $1000 worth of speed camera fines dating from months or even years ago...

[ManDownUnder]

Can't you register a vehicle to a PO Box - just have the mail sent to your work or something...?

[WRT]

Is it possible for someone to get access to the list of people who have looked up their details? Surely this must be available under something like the information act, but how would you go about it?

[Str8 Jacket]

Is it possible for someone to get access to the list of people who have looked up their details? Surely this must be available under something like the information act, but how would you go about it?

hmm, not too sure give LTNZ a call - 0800 108 809 (from memory). Surely you can request it, but it may cost?

[Str8 Jacket]

Can't you register a vehicle to a PO Box - just have the mail sent to your work or something...?

As far as I know you can. But you may have to give a physical addy as well. Have a look on the LTNZ website that may tell you...

[Colapop]

What about if you're in a 'witness' protection programme (seriously) like a woman escaping from an abusive relationship? How do they register vehicles and shit? There must be some way to avoid being found.

[Fub@r]

They used to be ok with a postal address, but now they also insist on a physical address. I've never given my correct details for various reasons whether it be a sooped up car or trying to avoid my ex which is the current situation :blip:

As for fines they are not sent to the registered owners details, they are sent to the driver license details for the registered owner, I know this from experience :yes: As I was using my parents PO Box number as a postal address but the fine had been sent to the address that was recorded when I got my new photo license which I hadn't bothered to update :( Argued in court on this point and eventually they took off the court costs and all I had to pay was the fine. As my argument was that the details on a rego have to have more weight when you see a discrepancy between registered owner address and license address as the rego is updated every 6 months.

Another suggestion is you could register your vehicle to your employers address as a solution, especially if you have a secure carpark.


What about if you're in a 'witness' protection programme (seriously) like a woman escaping from an abusive relationship? How do they register vehicles and shit? There must be some way to avoid being found.

There is no way to stop your details being handed out at the post office

[Str8 Jacket]

As for fines they are not sent to the registered owners details, they are sent to the driver license details for the registered owner, I know this from experience :yes:


Trust me, they are sent to the registered owner of the vehicle.

[placidfemme]

There are loop-holes in this... for example, prison guards (and possibly police) have their private vehicles registered with the prison they work for, that way if criminals get thier rego number and try to track them down it leads back to the prison...

Edit: perhaps you could talk to your boss and see if you can do a similar thing and register your bike to the company however they do it...

[Fub@r]

Trust me, they are sent to the registered owner of the vehicle.

With my camera ticket it was sent to my driver license details not the postal address given on the registration details

Also if someone knows your name and you have a mortgage it would take me 2 minutes or less to see where you live. If someone wants to try it PM a name to me and I'll PM back your address :)

[Str8 Jacket]

With my camera ticket it was sent to my driver license details not the postal address given on the registration details

If you have updated your driver licence then they will send it to the latest updated address. But as a rule they send the fine to the registered owner of the vehicle. I havent worked in MOJ collections for 4 years to know nothing!!

[Fub@r]

If you have updated your driver licence then they will send it to the latest updated address. But as a rule they send the fine to the registered owner of the vehicle. I havent worked in MOJ collections for 4 years to know nothing!!

My camera fine was 6-7 years ago, maybe they have changed the rules since then. When was contacted I was told they used the driver license details of the registered owner regardless.

[Str8 Jacket]

My camera fine was 6-7 years ago, maybe they have changed the rules since then. When was contacted I was told they used the driver license details of the registered owner regardless.

Ah, maybe. You'd have to ask LTNZ.... I dont work directly with people who have fines anymore. Much more pleasent working "behind the scenes".

[Filterer]

The first post seemed to me to say that if you register NOT to your home address then it makes it harder for someone to track you down.....

I guess two reasons being either your a clown on the road and someone wants to tell you off or

Stop someone seeing your shiny bike driving past and track it down to your home address and then give you a visit in the middle of the night.....

Either way it defeats the purpose of registering it to your work address, all they have to do is turn up in work hours......

And if you have used your real name on the rego then as Fub@r suggested its as esay as 1,2,3 to do a credit check and get an address... im sure there are hundreds of other ways..... i know for a fact that it could be done through the auckland city council computer systems if you know the right people :blip:

The only solution would be to setup a 'shell' coporation that had a physical address and register all your bikes/cars and friends cars/bikes etc to that company under the company name.....seems a little excessive however

[Beemer]

I can't see how a speed camera fine was sent to the address on your driver's licence - how did they know YOU were driving? The fine goes to whoever is the registered owner of the vehicle because they have no way of knowing who was driving at the time.

My sister is a prison officer and her car is registered to the address of the prison for her own safety. Doesn't stop some tosser following her home though, but at least he can't get the information easily.

I don't believe the owner's information should be available to all and sundry - if someone does something bad enough for you to go to these lengths to track them down, it's bad enough to involve the police, who would have access to the database anyway. As far as I'm concerned, it's a bit like whether or not to have your address listed on your driver's licence. You should be able to say that you don't want your address details made publicly available. You can get around it by having your physical work address and a PO Box number.

[Fub@r]

Ah, maybe. You'd have to ask LTNZ.... I dont work directly with people who have fines anymore. Much more pleasent working "behind the scenes".

Was quite amusing when they took off the court costs as I said "sweet now I can buy a picture frame" they asked what for. I replied "well if your charging me $300 for a photo I want to look after it!" :first:

[Str8 Jacket]

The only solution would be to setup a 'shell' coporation that had a physical address and register all your bikes/cars and friends cars/bikes etc to that company under the company name.....seems a little excessive however

Excessive maybe but I reckon that that'd be a really good idea. I get really paranoid that someone will look up my rego for my addy and then come steal my bike one day...

[Str8 Jacket]

I can't see how a speed camera fine was sent to the address on your driver's licence - how did they know YOU were driving? The fine goes to whoever is the registered owner of the vehicle because they have no way of knowing who was driving at the time.



Correctamundo!

[Fub@r]

I can't see how a speed camera fine was sent to the address on your driver's licence - how did they know YOU were driving? The fine goes to whoever is the registered owner of the vehicle because they have no way of knowing who was driving at the time.

Thats what happened in my case


And if you have used your real name on the rego then as Fub@r's Avatar
Fub@r suggested its as esay as 1,2,3 to do a credit check and get an address... im sure there are hundreds of other ways.....

When a credit check is done the company doing the check is recorded agains the persons file. So dont shop around for credit getting declined as all the companies can see it :)

As for obtaining an address from a name if the person has a mortgage can be done using publicly available software called TUMONZ, Quickmap, Terraview, all come with add on options of private and company owner details plus other information. If you dont want to buy the software going in to any LINZ office (Land Information New Zealand) and look it up for free on one of their public terminals.

[Motu]

What about if you're in a 'witness' protection programme (seriously) like a woman escaping from an abusive relationship? How do they register vehicles and shit? There must be some way to avoid being found.

I had a guy steal a car from me,did a runner with my Bro in Law's car who was overseas - we knew his name and address and everything,but the cops wouldn't do anything because he had ''witness protection''.He had also rung up a string of other thefts that no one could do anything about either.

[Ixion]

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Another good way to do this might be to register it to a PO Box number. Two grey areas about this tho - I'm not sure this is legal as someone has commented that you need a physical address (can a cop/lawyer comment please?), and also I have heard that it's possible to look up the details of the owner of a PO Box. Does anyone know if this is true as well?

I've read in other threads that you need to provide photo ID when going into the Post Office to get these details (obviously you dont need to online however). Does the post office record who has looked up your rego? If your bike does get stolen, can you go to the post office and ask them to tell you who has accessed your rego number?


False street address, genuine PO box no for mailing address. Fines and other letters will go to the PO Box.

Yes, you must provide ID , and your request is logged. Police can check that info. IF they could be bothered (so it's really a waste of time)

I believe that contact details of some type should be available. Someone said "if it's serious enough to get the details, it's serious enough for the Police to do it.". Not so, at all. E.G. You are walking back toward your parked bike. You see Hari Hurriup in his SUV back into your bike and send it flying, and roar off. But , you do get his rego number. What y'going to do with it? Tell the Police? They'll laugh in your face and tell you to piss off. Civil matter. Don't like people hiding behind things, usually a good sign that they've something TO hide.

[WRT]

Don't like people hiding behind things, usually a good sign that they've something TO hide.

You're right, I do have something to hide - my bloody bike! Too many untrustworthy people out there, and I for one would like to make it as hard as possible for the bastards to steal my shit.

Meanwhile, you are sounding remarkably big brother-ish there, Ixion. That's normally the excuse the govt. use as they bend you over and shove the "thin end of the wedge" right where you dont want it.

As for me - I'm actually quite an open and honest person. If I'm talking to someone I know and trust there's very little I wont discuss. But that trust has to be earnt, and why should I trust every person I pass in the street? Just on my way to work each morning, I would have to pass several hundred, if not thousand people. Odds are that one or two of them are not going to be trustworthy, especially in this day and age.

Just another sad fact of life.

[Cajun]

my bike registed is to a business address,
and postal address is a PO box, does not come to my home adress

[cruxis]

I have done a few plate checks on bikes, cars and pricks I wanted to track down. Using vir site, Hasnt failed me yet, though its 25$ to use.

https://www.vir.co.nz/

[sunhuntin]

i havent had to check any plate details, or had anyone get my info from the plates, but i do recall when taking photos of a 1920 harley i found in a repair shop, the mechanic backed it right up against the wall, so there was no way i could get a photo of the plate and therefore rip it off. didnt click till after but i thought "clever mechanic!" once i worked it out.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

I don't believe the owner's information should be available to all and sundry - .
Really.:angry: Well I do. :innocent: As we are rural and on S/H 2 we have a lot of reason to hunt vehicles down. Usual cos they have damaged fencing. Plenty of it over the years. Some times you get lucky and find the plate at the accident site and then you are free to call them. Many times it is a number recorded by friends that were passing at the time. Often it is when I check the road and find the car in the paddock and the drunk driver has left to sleep it off. Thieves driving up the roads looking for places to rip off. They get the message when you call them and ask why they are hanging around your place.
So to protect our stuff we need the info.:yes:

[Fub@r]

Its a Catch 22.

Can be used to protect but also abused by the criminal element

[Harry33]

Heres another idea to keep thieves from stealing your pride and joy...

Store it off site.

I have been managing a Storage company for the last few years,we have had all sorts of cars,bikes,boats,dragsters,rallycars over the last couple of years stored with us.

We live onsite,cameras,electric alarmed fence etc. The only down side is we aren't open 24/7.
Winter hours 7am -6pm 7 days aweek
Summer hours 7am-7pm 7 days a week.

Might be better suited for the weekend warrior but a great way to hide the Harley.

[Fub@r]

Do you work for National Mini Storage by chance?

[Harry33]

Yip sure do. :)

[Fub@r]

We do all the layouts, civil and survey works for NMS. I've done work at Takanini, Cook St, Tony St, Penrose and North Shore

[Harry33]

Sweet..well if you've been to Takanini in the last couple of years you might have spoken to me. You might also have seen me goofing off riding my bike around the complex.

[Fub@r]

I did the survey setouts for the stage you just finished, but the pads were poured years ago. Also had some dealings with the truckyard next door blocking your motorway view :) Think last time I was out there was about 2 years ago

i was envolved with Henderson and Cook St NMS from start to finish

[Harry33]

mmm we might have meet not sure...was the paddock out by the motorway when you were here? I do remember survey guys out that way at one stage.

[Fub@r]

mmm we might have meet not sure...was the paddock out by the motorway when you were here? I do remember survey guys out that way at one stage.

Most likely I was the surveyor :) Small world

[Beemer]

Really.:angry: Well I do. :innocent: As we are rural and on S/H 2 we have a lot of reason to hunt vehicles down. Usual cos they have damaged fencing.

I have NO problem with using it for legitimate purposes and I regard this as one of those. My problem is, I also live in a rural area (although if they hit our fence, they'd be up shit creek without a paddle as it's below road level and they wouldn't be going anywhere in a hurry!) and I don't want some thieving bastard turning up at my place while I'm out and breaking into my garage because they fancy my bike. Or someone turning up to teach me a lesson because they didn't like my driving. Or the creep who tried to chat you up in the pub and you told to piss off! They are the types of people I don't want having access to my address details.