Another downside to living in Levin...

[Beemer]

I thought the coppers around here had been a bit over zealous lately and here's the reason why:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/manawatustandard/0,2106,3736939a6003,00.html

How nice to know I live in a town where they take road safety so seriously that the cops are prepared to take a drop in pay if they don't get all the morons off the road... yeah, right!

[MSTRS]

Predictable. *shakes head* What will Uncle Helen have to say about this one?

[Lou Girardin]

It's all speed too, not word about the myriad other traffic offences.
It'll be interesting to hear what Howard calls this one, a 'performance incentive' perhaps?

[bladez]

i found one cop in levin to be very happy as had a run in with a dick of a boy racer bastard try to run me my partner and 7 yr old of the road and chased and cut us off all the way was mr big man till we jumped out and ran after them bloody pricks got in contact with cop and he new who it was but couldent prove it but cought him the next day 120hph in a 50 zone rang us to tell us and said when he gets his car and liance back he will get him again :yes: seen the dick not long ago with 3 cars around him and him in hand calf that should teach him :yes:

[merv]

To follow on from the title of your thread can you tell us any upsides to living in Levin?

[Mental Trousers]

errr, is there an upside to living in Levin??

[Beemer]

To follow on from the title of your thread can you tell us any upsides to living in Levin?

Yes, Merv, there are upsides! Better weather and fewer students than Palmerston North. You and Mental-Trousers don't live here. Not as 'dark' as Auckland (take that any way you want...)

Cheaper housing - for what we paid for our five year-old house on three acres in the country, you'd be lucky to buy a converted state house in Naenae.

And it's still close enough to Wellington to visit regularly!

[Swoop]

Unkle Heilens comments once again prove "her" detachment from our real world...
"A one off incident" - Tui time!!!

Oh well, all you that voted labour.......

[MattRSK]

errr, is there an upside to living in Levin??
Bling awarded for that. :rockon:

[Beemer]

Bling awarded for that. :rockon:

You should have noted the title of the thread - "ANOTHER downside to living in Levin" - it didn't even mention upsides! But at least we can ride our bikes all year round and we don't have heaps of traffic or regular power cuts!

[Mental Trousers]

Good point.

[ajturbo]

To follow on from the title of your thread can you tell us any upsides to living in Levin?
i live near levin!!!

[MattRSK]

Nah levin is all good. My mates dad owns a mcdonalds there.

[bladez]

Nah levin is all good. My mates dad owns a mcdonalds there.
mmmmm mcdonalds :yes: need a burger king in levin

[Mental Trousers]

i live near levin!!!

..... still looking for that upside to Levin

[merv]

I suppose its fairly close to Ohakea International Airport.

[Skunk]

Levin - retirement village. My Fossils are there. :yawn:

[Beemer]

Levin - retirement village. My Fossils are there. :yawn:

Yeah, there are plenty of old people, but hey, it makes the rest of us look young!

ajturbo, we go to Himatangi often to get firewood from a friend's parents forestry block. Nice day out!

[MSTRS]

Levin - retirement village. My Fossils are there. :yawn:
The whole town is now known as Harvey's Holding Paddock, I believe.
(Harvey's is the local funeral directors)

[Beemer]

Harvey-Bowler to be precise - how appropriate!

Drove to the army base at Linton for a job interview this morning and was paranoid about doing more than 100kph all the way there. Same on the way back, but noticed at least two mufti cop cars sitting in amongst the traffic heading north around Shannon. One red Commodore (I think) and one silvery-gold one. Both had uniformed officers in them and the red one was sitting right on the tail of the car in front - wonder if he was trying to get the driver to speed up so he could make his quota?

[Squeak the Rat]

Almost as good as marlborough. http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3738413a10,00.html


A third police memorandum obtained by the Manawatu Standard flies in the face of Government denials that police are working to a traffic ticket quota - at the expense of fighting other crime.

Police in the Marlborough district were last month instructed their "first priority" was to issue a minimum of two traffic tickets each shift.

The June 6 memo, written by acting Area Commander Tony Sampson warned: "Failure to comply with this directive will be considered a performance issue.

"All supervisors are directed - not asked - directed to ensure that this occurs. This is quite simply what will happen - no excuses.

"This is the District Commander's (Grant O'Fee) priority - everything else is secondary."

[Lou Girardin]

It seems that cops have finally had enough. These leaks have got to be coming from the troops.

[MSTRS]

Harvey-Bowler to be precise - how appropriate!
When I lived in Levin a 'few' years ago, the War Vet's Home had that title.
And I assume the Bowler is Milton? He worked for Harvey's back then. Thought he'd have used their services by now?

[tomthepohm]

I hate th attitude the cops have hear. I am sure its not their fault though, what a crap position to be in.

Sucks for them really.

[spudchucka]

Todays leaked memo comes back to the way funding is delivered, as described in other threads. The boss in Marlborough is kicking butt because the end of the financial year is approaching, (the memo was from early June) and he is faced with having to explain why his area has under-delivered on contracted traffic enforcement hours. (thats what I'd suggest is the case anyway)

Undoubtedly the memos are being leaked by disgruntled cops.

[scumdog]

Harvey-Bowler to be precise - how appropriate!

Both had uniformed officers in them and the red one was sitting right on the tail of the car in front - wonder if he was trying to get the driver to speed up so he could make his quota?

Nah, probably like me when I forget my specs, got to get up close to get his number for qvr.:blink:

[Lou Girardin]

he is faced with having to explain why his area has under-delivered on contracted traffic enforcement hours. (thats what I'd suggest is the case anyway)

Undoubtedly the memos are being leaked by disgruntled cops.

Up this way, they do EBA checkpoints in the middle of the day to get hours up.
Are they dumber in Marlborough? Or is he on a budget?

[Squeak the Rat]

Up this way, they do EBA checkpoints in the middle of the day to get hours up.
Are they dumber in Marlborough? Or is he on a budget?
It doesn't count if you pull over some tumbleweed......

[Beemer]

When I lived in Levin a 'few' years ago, the War Vet's Home had that title.
And I assume the Bowler is Milton? He worked for Harvey's back then. Thought he'd have used their services by now?

He may have been the founder of the firm but it's now run by John Fisher, Maureen Mackie, Blair Sanson, and Liz and Michael Hill (not THE Michael Hill!). The firm was established in about 1923 I think so they've been around a while. Hope I don't need 'em for a while!

[spudchucka]

Up this way, they do EBA checkpoints in the middle of the day to get hours up.
Are they dumber in Marlborough? Or is he on a budget?
The EBA hours are generally a given that they will be achieved with the Booze Bus crews working these days. The ACC fund them to target drink driving and that is virtually all that they do, their cars don't even have speed detection devices in them because ACC don't want the units that they are funding doing anything other than targeting drunks.

I have no idea how dumb they are in Marlborough but I would suggest that they aren't quite as dumb as those in Gore.

[Lou Girardin]

I have no idea how dumb they are in Marlborough but I would suggest that they aren't quite as dumb as those in Gore.

Why Gore????????

[spudchucka]

Why Gore????????
Have you been there? Have you spoken to the locals? The few times I've stopped there it was kinda like discovering the missing link.

[Lou Girardin]

No, not for 20 years. It's a bit close to scummy's patch though.
That'd explain a lot.

[scumdog]

No, not for 20 years. It's a bit close to scummy's patch though.
That'd explain a lot.

Naf off, I ain't no Goron!!

And last time i was in Palmy it reminded me of Gore, only thing missing was the XD 'coons, HQ Holdens and the regulation cruising Vals (made to look like Pacers.

[blacksheep]

didn,t they film deliverence near gore?

[scumdog]

didn,t they film deliverence near gore?

Nah, too many tar-seal roads and electicity around to look the part.

They picked on some North Island town that had a gravel main street, no power and the kids were all running around in raggedy shirts and bare feet.

Too many hick towns up there for me to remember which one, maybe Matawai??

[Ixion]

The EBA hours are generally a given that they will be achieved with the Booze Bus crews working these days. The ACC fund them to target drink driving and that is virtually all that they do, their cars don't even have speed detection devices in them because ACC don't want the units that they are funding doing anything other than targeting drunks.
,,.

Which sort of makes a nonesense of one of the primary arguments used to sustain the MoT and Polcie merger, does it not? If the ACC funded cops are only doing drunk testing, why not have them paid by and employed by the MoT (ie LTSA) ? And let cops go back to being proper cops.

More and more the merger is looking like a very bad decision, I think.

[blacksheep]

Nah, too many tar-seal roads and electicity around to look the part.

They picked on some North Island town that had a gravel main street, no power and the kids were all running around in raggedy shirts and bare feet.

Too many hick towns up there for me to remember which one, maybe Matawai??
would have to be somewhere with a very limited gene pool

[The_Dover]

New Plymuss?

[Lou Girardin]

Nah, too many tar-seal roads and electicity around to look the part.

They picked on some North Island town that had a gravel main street, no power and the kids were all running around in raggedy shirts and bare feet.

Too many hick towns up there for me to remember which one, maybe Matawai??

Sounds like Ruatahuna. Except last time I was there they'd laid 100 metres of tarseal through 'town'.. Must have been a hui on or some such.

[ManDownUnder]

New Plymuss?

Mate there's more sheep near there than a country boy can enjoy in a lifetime.... or so poos reckons

[spudchucka]

Which sort of makes a nonesense of one of the primary arguments used to sustain the MoT and Polcie merger, does it not? If the ACC funded cops are only doing drunk testing, why not have them paid by and employed by the MoT (ie LTSA) ? And let cops go back to being proper cops.

More and more the merger is looking like a very bad decision, I think.
Semantics. The issue is that the funding supplied by ACC is ring fenced by them and can only be used for the stated purpose, (as is funding supplied by other agencies).

The crux of the problem lies with how the police are funded. It doesn't matter a zot whether the cops doing the road policing wear blue or black. At least the traffic cops these days are trained and have appropriate powers required to deal with general police work as well as just annoying motorists.

[Ixion]

Well, as we are constantly told that the police force cannot obtain enough recruits, I suggest it does matter several zots.

Since the "traffic" cops are not, in fact, using the training or powers that they have to deal with general police work, it would be much more logical for them to be a separate force.

Then, ALL the graduates from the police academy would be assigned to general duties . And since the duties of the "traffic" cops would be significantly different, there would probably be little difficulty in recruiting a separate force for that purpose. Not saying there that traffic policing is a lesser thing than general policing. Just that the nature of it being different, there would doutless be people who would be keen to be traffic cops, but don't want to be general duties cops.

[Lou Girardin]

At least the traffic cops these days are trained and have appropriate powers required to deal with general police work as well as just annoying motorists.

Shame they don't use them.

[scumdog]

Shame they don't use them.

What, and leave you to fang around all over the place moaning how your radar detector was a waste of money and you don't need it now?

Nah mate, we wouldn't leave you in the lurch like that by taking the traffic types off the street to do 'police' work!:nya:

[Lou Girardin]

What, and leave you to fang around all over the place moaning how your radar detector was a waste of money and you don't need it now?

Nah mate, we wouldn't leave you in the lurch like that by taking the traffic types off the street to do 'police' work!:nya:

I might need therapy, but I'd force myself to cope.

[spudchucka]

Well, as we are constantly told that the police force cannot obtain enough recruits, I suggest it does matter several zots.

Since the "traffic" cops are not, in fact, using the training or powers that they have to deal with general police work, it would be much more logical for them to be a separate force.

Then, ALL the graduates from the police academy would be assigned to general duties . And since the duties of the "traffic" cops would be significantly different, there would probably be little difficulty in recruiting a separate force for that purpose. Not saying there that traffic policing is a lesser thing than general policing. Just that the nature of it being different, there would doutless be people who would be keen to be traffic cops, but don't want to be general duties cops.
If they separated traffic from general policing it would simply result in more road nazis consentrating solely on road nazi stuff and less general police to do what you want them to do. It would be a reverse of the John Banks promise that lead to the merger in the first place, "Vote for me and I'll give you 1500 new police"! What did he do? He turned the TO's into cops and made cops into TO's . So what would happen if they did the reverse? It would simply mean that the actual 'Police' numbers would be reduced and you would have a new and improved road nazi division. Be careful what you wish for, the reality might be worse than the status quo.

[spudchucka]

Shame they don't use them.
They do, frequently.

[oldrider]

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't one of the major arguments for the merger because the Traffic Officers of the day had no power of arrest when they changed the drink driving laws to criminal offences.
The new laws caused too many "Police" being doubled up with Traffic Officers in order to "arrest" the drunk drivers being apprehended.
Before that time it was considered a defence argument if you were "pissed" when you crashed or whatever in a vehicle!
Thats the way I seem to remember it anyway. :yes: Cheers John.

[scumdog]

So what would happen if they did the reverse? It would simply mean that the actual 'Police' numbers would be reduced and you would have a new and improved road nazi division. Be careful what you wish for, the reality might be worse than the status quo.

And it would save the problem of "They said there were no police to attend my burglary and I had a look and there was a bloody cop car at the end of the street and he was giving out speeding tickets"

If they changed to two sperate branches/uniforms/cars etc the same person would say 'I had a look and there was just a traffic cop at the end of the street, they were right, there IS no policeman around to attend my burglary.'

And joy and happiness would reign forever.
(Tuis moment here)

[spudchucka]

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't one of the major arguments for the merger because the Traffic Officers of the day had no power of arrest when they changed the drink driving laws to criminal offences.
The new laws caused too many "Police" being doubled up with Traffic Officers in order to "arrest" the drunk drivers being apprehended.
Before that time it was considered a defence argument if you were "pissed" when you crashed or whatever in a vehicle!
Thats the way I seem to remember it anyway. :yes: Cheers John.
I'm not sure what the situation was prior to the merger. The current situation is that the LTA 1998 provides that a driver has to accompany an enforcement officer for the purpose of breath alcohol analysis, if they refuse to accompany you then you arrest them. If they agree to accompany you then you are "detaining" them, they aren't under arrest.