New noise regime.

[Lou Girardin]

95 db for cars.
100 db for bikes.
12 testing sites around the country and one mobile unit in Auck.
Apparently most bikes will pass. One of our Techs has been involved in initial trials on many different bikes. A de-baffled Harley will pass and that's pretty damn loud.

[froggyfrenchman]

Good news that most will pass! Where are these 12 testing sites?

[scumdog]

The new laws would very likely not have been introduced if certain motorists in cars that were of lowered, bling wheeled, tinted window, coffee-can exhaust persuasion had not persisted in flaunting their *'manhood' to vigourously in public at unreasonable times and places

Thank you guys.

*Driving their cars in a manner that creates as much noise as possible- "look at me, look at me mum, I'm a big boy now"

[WRT]

Hmm . . . is it possible for Joe Public to get a test done? Then I could find out if I need to put the baffles back in the cans before going for a warrant!

BTW - lets say you get pulled over by a cop who wants to do you for being too loud. What's the procedure? Do you get a "summons" type thing where you then have to turn up to have your vehicle tested and one of the testing sites? Or does the cop just ticket you regardless and then its up to you to contest it? In an "guilty until proven innocent" kind of way?

[The_Dover]

I take it that's at idle Lou?

[Swoop]

95 db for cars.
100 db for bikes.
12 testing sites around the country and one mobile unit in Auck.
Apparently most bikes will pass. One of our Techs has been involved in initial trials on many different bikes. A de-baffled Harley will pass and that's pretty damn loud.
Was this on TV3 news the other night? I was thinking it looked like the AMPS showroom where they were filming?

[SimJen]

I'd love to know more about how they test. Lou?

[Fub@r]

Was this on TV3 news the other night? I was thinking it looked like the AMPS showroom where they were filming?

In that clip a stock standard Harley exhaust passed, an aftermarket one didn't. Even the group that pushed for noise levels to be introduced think the government has set the level too low.

[acewheelie]

I'm glad its 100db, the Duc should just squeeze through and that is with the standard exhaust...., gonna have to get a different muffler for track days though

[boomer]

I was chatting with teh guys at AMPS about this yesterday funnily enough. :scooter: Those HD's with teh straight thru pipes have set the standard for us all :rockon:


I needed to get a another WOF done on my 7 month old already wof'd bike just to prove to the pigs that the $150 fine i recieved last month for not being upto wof standards was bollox!! unfortunately AMPS couldn't do anything for the $300 speeding ticket :innocent:

cheers Lou for another 'great deal'.. on my way to pick 'em up now :blip:

[boomer]

I'd love to know more about how they test. Lou?

i think they test at 5,000 rpm at one of teh 'special' testing stations with a noise tester thingamewatzit

[SimJen]

If you get stopped and they make you take it to a test station, whats to stop you fitting a baffle beforehand?
Its still a flawed system....I wonder if my Micron Race system will pass?
I need to know more about the Revs they test at etc, but can't find the info on LTSA.

[The_Dover]

Well "they" can go fuck themselves then.

My 750 is rated at 102dB @5000rpm in stock form and I'll be fucked if the gubmint are gonna tax me for having a noisy bike.

[Lou Girardin]

I take it that's at idle Lou?

I'm told it's 2500 rpm for Harleys etc. 5000 for others.

[dnos]

im really dissapointed that little boi racers will now be told off for flaunting their amazing cool cars with exhausts big enough to fit your head in in the middle of the street (or macdonalds carpark the place to be) by revving the snot out of them and valve bouncing whilst their super sweet sounds are rattling every window around. what a pity.
i am taking the piss but i do believe 100 is perhaps a little low, but is that at idle or the above revving shit out of engine scenario?
i too am interested to learn more about this

[Lou Girardin]

cheers Lou for another 'great deal'.. on my way to pick 'em up now :blip:

Can you hold off for a day. There's been a 'hitch'.

[SimJen]

Well "they" can go fuck themselves then.

My 750 is rated at 102dB @5000rpm in stock form and I'll be fucked if the gubmint are gonna tax me for having a noisy bike.

Exactly Dover, my thous the same in stock form......thats shit. The government can get fucked. Im gonna be illegal and if I get stopped I'll be sticking a baffle in for the test......
I wonder if you can pay for the test and get a cert, then when some nosey cop pulls you over you can wave it in his face along with the finger :nya:

[boomer]

Can you hold off for a day. There's been a 'hitch'.

a hitch... Like you've knocked another $200 smakeroos off the price hitch??!! or a "Lou's ordered the wrong size/model hitch?"

[awesker]

Has anyone seen the dvd Faster?
Wasnt there a rule put in there fairly recently saything that the motoGP bikes could be no louder than 100db?

[SimJen]

Nope, that would be crazy none of them would pass....

[acewheelie]

Thats probably at the boundary fence, like Western Springs, I'm sure Puke is less than 100.

[The_Dover]

Noise measurement is a complete cunt anyway so I doubt these fuckwits will get it right.

Are the tests free field tests? In a dead room? Is that 100dB @ 3m?

Horseshit just like every other useless fucking law this dickhead government have introduced.

"I know how to improve NZ society, let's legalise prostitution, allow fags to get married and tax the fuck out of motorists"

Dyke bitch. I hope she fucking dies of AIDS.

[acewheelie]

Also if Harleys are rated at 2500 rpm, shouldn't all V twins?

[acewheelie]

You and me both that bitch and her cronies would love to put me behind bars, democracy ends after the close of the polls every three years..

[**R1**]

Would suck if you owned a stock RC45sp wernt they 145bd with the factory pipe??

[awesker]

Thats probably at the boundary fence, like Western Springs, I'm sure Puke is less than 100.

ahh, that makes more sense!

[SimJen]

dunno about that R1, thats pretty fucken loud. Saturn 5 rocket is 150db and that can kill you if your too close.
I bet it won't be that difficult to pass, most bikes will probably fly thru with a bit of luck. The harleys that don't probably won't bother the guys riding em.

[acewheelie]

Would suck if you owned a stock RC45sp wernt they 145bd with the factory pipe??

Not too many of those around they were like $80,000.00, Mr. Slight has one though... and a few jap imports around?

[**R1**]

Noise measurement is a complete cunt anyway so I doubt these fuckwits will get it right.

Are the tests free field tests? In a dead room? Is that 100dB @ 3m?

Horseshit just like every other useless fucking law this dickhead government have introduced.

"I know how to improve NZ society, let's legalise prostitution, allow fags to get married and tax the fuck out of motorists"

Dyke bitch. I hope she fucking dies of AIDS.yeah WTF is up with these queer pushing fukwits?? its ok for a man walk thru a mall tounging his boyfriend but I cant smoke in there?? I mean come on whats going to kids more damage??
poofters:nono:

[Kickaha]

*Driving their cars in a manner that creates as much noise as possible- "look at me, look at me mum, I'm a big boy now"

Of course there wouldnt a motorcyclist in the country guilty of that would there? :nya:

[bert_is_evil]

Some of you clearly have a problem with the current govenment - I assume you have voted for apposing parties in the last election, but are you active members of any other political parties? Or does your contibution extend only to sitting at your computer bitching about it?

[The_Dover]

I'm a fucking overstayer of no fixed abode. How do you propose I get on the electoral role you fucking queer?

[onearmedbandit]

Some of you clearly have a problem with the current govenment - I assume you have voted for apposing parties in the last election, but are you active members of any other political parties? Or does your contibution extend only to sitting at your computer bitching about it?

Do you need a bigger soapbox?

[GR81]

I'm told it's 2500 rpm for Harleys etc. 5000 for others.
you cant have one law for one group and another law for another group.
it would have to be consistant across the board.

[bert_is_evil]

Do you need a bigger soapbox?

Nope, seems that was enough to suitably upset Dover

[Lou Girardin]

or a "Lou's ordered the wrong size/model hitch?"

Who?
Moi?:slap:

[scumdog]

Of course there wouldnt a motorcyclist in the country guilty of that would there? :nya:

Not en masse at 3am all over town EVERY weekend, besides y'all know MY bikes as quiet as a Gold Wing.:innocent:

[Lou Girardin]

you cant have one law for one group and another law for another group.
it would have to be consistant across the board.

They're working on half the usable rev range. 600 owners should be grateful they won't be measuring at 7000.

[scumdog]

you cant have one law for one group and another law for another group.
it would have to be consistant across the board.

So explain trucks being allowed to be louder than cars?:wait:

[Lou Girardin]

Horseshit just like every other useless fucking law this dickhead government have introduced.



You never experienced the joy of a National Govt have you?
The people who gave us Treaty settlements.
And electricity reforms.
Jim Bolger. Who got on so well with other World leaders that he mimiced their accents, but couldn't speak English.

[scumdog]

I'm a fucking overstayer of no fixed abode. How do you propose I get on the electoral role you fucking queer?

Ah shuddup an just enjoy this wonderful country you chose as a place to live, you must have picked it because it's soooo much better than anywhere else in the world eh?:nya:

[Ixion]

If you get stopped and they make you take it to a test station, whats to stop you fitting a baffle beforehand?
Its still a flawed system....I wonder if my Micron Race system will pass?
I need to know more about the Revs they test at etc, but can't find the info on LTSA.

Two thirds of peak revs. If known. Otherwise 5000rpm, unless the testers deems that inappropriate, in which case whatever he thinks is about two thirds max. But if y'don't have a tacho it'll just be a guess anyway.Theres a doco with the test method somewhere on the web.

[The_Dover]

Ah shuddup an just enjoy this wonderful country you chose as a place to live, you must have picked it because it's soooo much better than anywhere else in the world eh?:nya:


It wasn't this bad when I arrived.

One of my main reasons for staying was the relatively inexpensive cost of riding a sportsbike. But with the price of gas, shite wages and the focus on all that oh so deadly speeding I'm having a rethink.

Plus the chicks are fat and the beer is shit.

[scumdog]

It wasn't this bad when I arrived.

One of my main reasons for staying was the relatively inexpensive cost of riding a sportsbike. But with the price of gas, shite wages and the focus on all that oh so deadly speeding I'm having a rethink.

Plus the chicks are fat and the beer is shit.

Sound like you live in the North Island - stay there!:nya:

I'll just stay down here in the hick backwoods enjoying myself (when it stops hailing/snowing whatever)

[GR81]

So explain trucks being allowed to be louder than cars?:wait:
trucks and cars are different... a bike is a bike tho.
although is a trike a bike or a car?
*sigh*

gg Labour!

[sAsLEX]

Two thirds of peak revs. If known. Otherwise 5000rpm, unless the testers deems that inappropriate, in which case whatever he thinks is about two thirds max. But if y'don't have a tacho it'll just be a guess anyway.Theres a doco with the test method somewhere on the web.

Sounds a bit wishy washy grey fucking grey law again! Why cant they just adopt BS # or IS # something rather where some people of intelligence have actually figured out a proper testing routine!



And Scummy any ideas on how this is going to work? You pull a 17 year old Gangsta in his tin can exhausted Corrola do you green sticker him for the noise? Or is there a new "sticker" type arrangement?!

[acewheelie]

Some of you clearly have a problem with the current govenment - I assume you have voted for apposing parties in the last election, but are you active members of any other political parties? Or does your contibution extend only to sitting at your computer bitching about it?

I have been involved with political parties (yes plural) they change their policies more often than there underpants, and pander to vocal minorities.

They all seem to be as bad as each other, I say lets form a new Redneck Biker movement, and shove it up the lot of them!!

[SimJen]

Some of you clearly have a problem with the current govenment - I assume you have voted for apposing parties in the last election, but are you active members of any other political parties? Or does your contibution extend only to sitting at your computer bitching about it?

I think most people that moan didn't vote for the party thats currently in....
Personally I think all governments are shit, democracy is not democracy in the true sense, we have no free will and can't do shit without some crap law or other bullshit stopping us. Sure we need laws but not half of the bullshit thats out there.
Everything of major consequence should be voted on by the people, not some homo mp who votes cause it keeps him in power, or it helps to further line his pockets.
As for the socialist wankers in parliament taking their big fat paychecks and doing nothing but arguing all day in the house, while preaching that we all should help the poor and needy while they have Latte's and big fuckoff parties at their swanky million+ houses, they can kiss my ass.
There, thats that out of the way.

It'll be interesting to hear stories on KB about who passes/fails this new noise test!

[acewheelie]

Its going to interesting with machines that have passed overseas tests before entering. What happens if my bike doesn't pass with its standard exhaust?

I won't be paying any fine, thank you very much!

At 2/3 RPMs on my little Duc twin thats around 7,500 RPM (redlines at 10) thats fair screaming for a twenty year old twin.

[scumdog]

Sounds a bit wishy washy grey fucking grey law again! Why cant they just adopt BS # or IS # something rather where some people of intelligence have actually figured out a proper testing routine!



And Scummy any ideas on how this is going to work? You pull a 17 year old Gangsta in his tin can exhausted Corrola do you green sticker him for the noise? Or is there a new "sticker" type arrangement?!

He better not get stickered NOW, use to be he just had to get a new wof, now he'll have to go to Capitol City to LTNZ to be tested - trailering it there of course!

Certifying a zorst for noise level will be shyte, after all how you ever going to prove that's how it was when you got certified??

Once again the ignorant/arogant don't-give-a-shit types are screwing it for the rest, warned them so too but like what do I know??

[sAsLEX]

He better not get stickered NOW, use to be he just had to get a new wof, now he'll have to go to Capitol City to LTNZ to be tested - trailering it there of course!


I thought at present the green sticker meant not up to WOF standards and you were required to get one as soon as practicable? and pink was not allowed to drive at all.

[Lou Girardin]

It wasn't this bad when I arrived.

One of my main reasons for staying was the relatively inexpensive cost of riding a sportsbike. But with the price of gas, shite wages and the focus on all that oh so deadly speeding I'm having a rethink.

Plus the chicks are fat and the beer is shit.

I can't really disagree. Oh, and you left out crap weather.

But I'm all for noise testing. Especially if my bike passes.
Go to any number of overseas cities, you find that you're not pummelled by retards barely muffled exhausts at all hours of the day.
Fuck 'em. Put every boy racer off the road. I won't shed a tear.

[Da Bird]

Here is all the information and a list of certifiers that can certify your exhaust. Of course, getting it certified will be like getting any other modification certified. It's going to cost $$$.

Page 8 and 9 tell you the RPM level that your exhaust will be tested on depending on the type of engine you have.

BC.

[Motu]

You never experienced the joy of a National Govt have you?
.

And you missed out Muldoon? People who bleat about this socialist government don't realise we had our very own Stalin...
lest we forget....:weep:

Run your motor with an open pipe up and down the rev range - the is a very definate point where it's noisier,often close to the max torque point.The testers can't have access to the torque curve for every motor produced...they can't also say - ''test it at the noisiest point''.Half the rev range will cover it for most cars,just consider yourself lucky that they will be testing your bike well below it's highest noise level.But for my XT it's going to be right up there.

[Ixion]

Its going to interesting with machines that have passed overseas tests before entering. What happens if my bike doesn't pass with its standard exhaust?

I won't be paying any fine, thank you very much!

At 2/3 RPMs on my little Duc twin thats around 7,500 RPM (redlines at 10) thats fair screaming for a twenty year old twin.

I think there's a clause in there that allows exceptions if you can prove the exhaust is stock standard, in good condition. Of course , actually *proving* that may be tricky.

I'm a bit concerned about the rev thing m'self. What's the deal if the tester blows my engine up revving the snot out of it?

Aircooled bike engines aren't designed to be revved hard for prolonged periods when stationary. Especially two strokes, they seize.

[jimbo600]

4500rpm for a jap 4 cylinder. I don't reckon that should worry anybody with an aftermarket can. Especially as all the new ones have removable baffles. The guys at Neptune should be OK.

Standard K6 600 is measured at 100db @ 6700RPM and they're quite loud for a standard bike

[sAsLEX]

4500rpm for a jap 4 cylinder. I don't reckon that should worry anybody with an aftermarket can. Especially as all the new ones have removable baffles. The guys at Neptune should be OK.

Standard K6 600 is measured at 100db @ 6700RPM and they're quite loud for a standard bike

Wonder if a new exhaust such as Neptunes will come with a not too loud certificate!?

Also what is the law regarding retailers fitting illegal equipment to ones vehicle? Say you go to store x and ask for a new muffler and then get pulled for this noise thing?!

[Lou Girardin]

Brilliant. 102db for Warehouse bikes 'cos they're air-cooled.
The benefits of old tech engines huh?

[cowpoos]

Has anyone seen the dvd Faster?
Wasnt there a rule put in there fairly recently saything that the motoGP bikes could be no louder than 100db?

130db limit

[Toast]

Here is all the information and a list of certifiers that can certify your exhaust. Of course, getting it certified will be like getting any other modification certified. It's going to cost $$$.

Page 8 and 9 tell you the RPM level that your exhaust will be tested on depending on the type of engine you have.

BC.

What are these clowns smoking? Why test a single cylinder at a higher rpm than a 2 valve twin?

I'm a bit worried that my system won't pass (I even reckon it's a bit too loud)...hands up any engineers who can make me a baffle?

Living in CBD though, this will hopefully make sleeping in on the weekends a whole lot more possible.

[nodrog]

Some of you clearly have a problem with the current govenment - I assume you have voted for apposing parties in the last election, but are you active members of any other political parties? Or does your contibution extend only to sitting at your computer bitching about it?

is that you Helen?

[Motu]

Also what is the law regarding retailers fitting illegal equipment to ones vehicle? Say you go to store x and ask for a new muffler and then get pulled for this noise thing?!

Repco? - For off road use only....standard Repco clause.

[Rashika]

They're working on half the usable rev range. 600 owners should be grateful they won't be measuring at 7000.
certainly makes sense...given that at 5000 rpm I'm only 1000 from hitting redline on the Buell

I'm wondering how mine is going to given it has a sports-kit exhaust etc fitted...? :(
Better find a 'nice' shop to do it for me

[Deano]

Plus the chicks are fat

Have you tried a different bait ?

[sAsLEX]

Repco? - For off road use only....standard Repco clause.

You would see I did say fitting, something the repco/super cheap people dont fiddle in. What I was referring to is say you go to a Garage to get your rusty old exhaust replaced and they end up fitting one that the plod deems illegal is the item that they fitted not "fit for intended purpose" and you can therefor go after the shop for your losses?!?

[sAsLEX]

knock konck whos there?

I wonder if they allow r1's a little extra db from the excessive knocking in the engine?

[Swoop]

And Scummy any ideas on how this is going to work? You pull a 17 year old Gangsta in his tin can exhausted Corrola do you green sticker him for the noise? Or is there a new "sticker" type arrangement?!
Forget the boi ricers being given stickers, they just pull them off.
Get a can of that expanding foam stuff - selleys no more gaps or something, and squirt some of that stuff up the baked-bean-can style "phhsshhtt" exhaust. Problem fixed!

[Lou Girardin]

certainly makes sense...given that at 5000 rpm I'm only 1000 from hitting redline on the Buell

I'm wondering how mine is going to given it has a sports-kit exhaust etc fitted...? :(
Better find a 'nice' shop to do it for me

I'm fairly sure they tested a race kitted XB and it passed.
No, don't thank us. We live for helping bikers at AMPS.:first:

[sAsLEX]

I'm fairly sure they tested a race kitted XB and it passed.
No, don't thank us. We live for helping bikers at AMPS.:first:

Looking after numero uno I think is the correct term there mate! What would you do if Harleys ended up being outlawed?!

[Lou Girardin]

Looking after numero uno I think is the correct term there mate! What would you do if Harleys ended up being outlawed?!
Wash your mouth out!
But we did get some sprotbikes tested too.

[Motu]

You would see I did say fitting, something the repco/super cheap people dont fiddle in. What I was referring to is say you go to a Garage to get your rusty old exhaust replaced and they end up fitting one that the plod deems illegal is the item that they fitted not "fit for intended purpose" and you can therefor go after the shop for your losses?!?

I don't think your local garage is going to fit an expensive performance exhaust unless you tell them to,they will fit something cheap and nasty.The guys who supply mufflers for actual fitting and not just passing over the counter in exchange for money will be supplying a muffler that actualy complies...because they have to,Repco doesn't have to.

Also what you guys haven't got through your thick skulls despite my repeated posts - this is not a WoF issue,this does not involve your 2002 Gixr with bakebean tins - it is entry level,meaning when the vehicle is VINed before being allowd on our roads.OR....when you make too much noise when the cops are looking.The WoF test is still me going ''Eh...what!?,sounds pretty good to me!'' Unless of course you go to the testing station and get the Indians who haven't worked on a car in their lives,but somehow get to be AVI's,they have no mechanical knowledge,but follow the book rigedly to the letter.

[WRT]

Sounds like they need to use their own tacho where ever possible, otherwise use the vehicles own tacho. I see in section 2.5 (1), that the tacho must be accurate to within 2%. I doubt many bike tachos are that close. Remember the debacle with the R6 tacho saying the bike readlined at 17,000 when in reality it was a lot lower than that? If that was out by more than 340 rpm, then it's not suitable for use in testing the exhuast noise. On my bike, it'd need to be accurate to within ~200 rpm, on Rashika's Buell, your talking 120rpm margin for error.

[WRT]

Am I reading this right, the Aprilia gets tested at 4000rpm yet my CR would get tested 6000? Obviously it doesnt need to be tested, but regardless . . . that seems a bit strange to me.

[ZeroIndex]

haha. my bike is pretty much at idle at 5000rpm.. :D

[dnos]

well im glad they make everything nice and simple.
looking at those rev figures some seem a lot more sensible than others, but as we all know every bike is different so they include that lovely little line saying that the tester can decide on a different rpm if they feel it needs it.
so lets make a law - decide all the detail- and then say that the tester can change things if they want. BS!!!
Cant they just get shit right the first time.

OK now ive stopped fuming about law makers incompetency - I actually am glad to see a noise restriction in place to get rid of some of those ridiculously loud cars that go cruising around looking oh so cool.
I wonder if they could have a clause to differentiate between vehicles that sound "cool" and vehicles that just emit noise.

[ZeroIndex]

yeah WTF is up with these queer pushing fukwits?? its ok for a man walk thru a mall tounging his boyfriend but I cant smoke in there?? I mean come on whats going to kids more damage??
poofters:nono:
i completely agree.. especially when looking at the Bible, God killed a bunch of gays (Sodom and Gomorah), the NZ government is taunting God, and they will pay for it..

[ZeroIndex]

They're working on half the usable rev range. 600 owners should be grateful they won't be measuring at 7000.
haha my bike redlines at 14k.. i could say "but I only rev up to 5k, never any higher than that" therefore 'half the used rev range' would be 2500?

[ZeroIndex]

I think most people that moan didn't vote for the party thats currently in....
Personally I think all governments are shit, democracy is not democracy in the true sense, we have no free will and can't do shit without some crap law or other bullshit stopping us. Sure we need laws but not half of the bullshit thats out there.
Everything of major consequence should be voted on by the people, not some homo mp who votes cause it keeps him in power, or it helps to further line his pockets.
As for the socialist wankers in parliament taking their big fat paychecks and doing nothing but arguing all day in the house, while preaching that we all should help the poor and needy while they have Latte's and big fuckoff parties at their swanky million+ houses, they can kiss my ass.
There, thats that out of the way.

It'll be interesting to hear stories on KB about who passes/fails this new noise test!
Definition - Democracy: Having free will to choose which dictator will run your country :D

[ZeroIndex]

HAHAHA BRILLIANT!! 4000rpm if the engine is a 4-stroke twin-cylinder engine with more than 3 valves per cyinder :D my bike literally IDLES at 3500RPM, and I doubt will even move forward at a steady pace in any gear at 4000rpm hehehehe

[**R1**]

I wonder if they allow r1's a little extra db from the excessive knocking in the engine?Thats just cold man......

[scumdog]

Thats just cold man......

So hows the knock-tracking going???

[Wolf]

I'm pretty sure my stock pipe will pass - there's been a lot of noise limit discussions on the XT225 forum and the consensus is the bike passes with some slightly noisier aftermarket cans.

I fear the boi racers are just going to do what they can to get around it anyway - like swapping the exhaust before any tests and checks and going back to the noisy one immediately afterwards.

[Timber020]

No law that says your bike has to be able to do whatever rpm. shut down the limiters on the throttle and make your high speed machine into a meek kitten, or close up the airbox, or unplug a couple of sparkplugs, or put a little kink in your fuel line, or bash in your pipes with a hammer!

Or have a legal pipe.

[WINJA]

The new laws would very likely not have been introduced if certain motorists in cars that were of lowered, bling wheeled, tinted window, coffee-can exhaust persuasion had not persisted in flaunting their *'manhood' to vigourously in public at unreasonable times and places

Thank you guys.

*Driving their cars in a manner that creates as much noise as possible- "look at me, look at me mum, I'm a big boy now"
THEY DRIVE ME FUCKEN NUTS TOO , I DONT LIKE LOUD BIKES OR CARS THAT MUCH , A NICE SOUND IS ONE THING BUT A LOUD CLATTERY RACKET JUST PISSES ME OFF

[marty]

Well "they" can go fuck themselves then.

My 750 is rated at 102dB @5000rpm in stock form and I'll be fucked if the gubmint are gonna tax me for having a noisy bike.

1.1(2)(c) says that original, unmodified exhausts are exempt.

[The Pastor]

When do these new tax laws come into effect?

[Motu]

Soon as you buy a new bike - it doesn't cover 1985 models.Unless you rev the shit out of it in front of the cops,then they'll drag you off to the noise testerator.

[The Pastor]

I dont have baffles, and its very loud... joys of having a classic bike. (also having a differnt bike to a gsxr is a big bonus!)

Also, define new - is that anything from so and so year, or is it anything bought from 2006 (i.e buy a 95 bike later on this year etc) or is it anything bought from a dealer....

[ZeroIndex]

Soon as you buy a new bike - it doesn't cover 1985 models.Unless you rev the shit out of it in front of the cops,then they'll drag you off to the noise testerator.
argh.. mine is 1986

[boomer]

why the hell don't teh laws relate to older bikes??? So the real reason aint to cut down on noise polution? What is the real reason....???

Fuckin thieving muppets!

p.s Dover.. theres no way on this planet your thou's legal bro :bye: My hairdrier, with stock can says it's been tested at 6250rpm showing 92dB. (Im sure the Yoshi's a tad louder now though!! )

[Motu]

I'm getting sick of this,and I'll say it no more.

Situation normal for what is already in service - but if your WoF inspector has been a bit worried about how noisy your bike is,but didn't want to make an issue about it then he might refer you to the noise test crowd.If a cop stops you and thinks you are making too much noise he'll send you off to the testorator.

The new regs are being applied to vehicles complied as of this date....not 1985....not the exhaust you fitted in 1998...not the second hand bike you bought last week - JUST newly complied vehicles.

More changes will be coming.

You are Grandfathered - got it?!

[Ixion]

argh.. mine is 1986

Shit, you're in trouble then, Better get in fast and book it in for testing, there'll be long queues, you don't want to be without your bike for weeks while waiting, d'y'. Bummer though, getting caught by just one year, eh.

[R6_kid]

hmm, my bike has been tested stationary at 95db at 5000rpm, that was with standard pipe so i'd hate to think what it is now.

Now as for dovers bike... thats a whole other story!

Oh and N4SKins overpiped ZX2R, wtf will that come in at!

[Brett]

Noise measurement is a complete cunt anyway so I doubt these fuckwits will get it right.

Are the tests free field tests? In a dead room? Is that 100dB @ 3m?

Horseshit just like every other useless fucking law this dickhead government have introduced.

"I know how to improve NZ society, let's legalise prostitution, allow fags to get married and tax the fuck out of motorists"

Dyke bitch. I hope she fucking dies of AIDS.

You have a brilliant mind:first:

[Gremlin]

Oh and N4SKins overpiped ZX2R, wtf will that come in at!
It will be fine.... until they try to match up the photos they are supposed to take...

Out of curiosity, I would be interested in how loud mine is, but free of charge, and no penalties if it fails :yes: . The zx7r was supposed to be a loud bike anyway, and it has an not-new muzzy (ie, probably no packing any more).

I just hope the cops leave me alone, I don't even reach the 4500 rpm under normal city riding. Then factor in the point that unless its in first, I break the 50kph limit in any other gear (1st is 40kph-ish)... and the new thous have it even better. That makes the testing rpm pretty stupid.

[ZeroIndex]

you're in trouble then, Better get in fast and book it in for testing, there'll be long queues, you don't want to be without your bike for weeks while waiting, d'y'. Bummer though, getting caught by just one year, eh.
seriously? do you 'have' to take your bike in for compulsory testing? or is it just if you get pulled up?

[Waylander]

I'm pretty sure my stock pipe will pass - there's been a lot of noise limit discussions on the XT225 forum and the consensus is the bike passes with some slightly noisier aftermarket cans.

I fear the boi racers are just going to do what they can to get around it anyway - like swapping the exhaust before any tests and checks and going back to the noisy one immediately afterwards.
Like finding a WOF place that boy racers work at. One near my work here will pass anything even my bike with no mufflers at all.

[Lou Girardin]

Some things are being missed here. This is NOT part of a WOF test. There are only 12 testing sites. If you nail your noise maker past a cop you're asking to be stickered.
The alternative was going to be a flat 92 db and NO modified exhausts. Thank the trade people and LVVT guys that this is a reasonably tolerant noise level.

[sAsLEX]

Some things are being missed here. This is NOT part of a WOF test. There are only 12 testing sites. If you nail your noise maker past a cop you're asking to be stickered.


Have asked a couple of times over what the cops procedures will be but alas your is the first answer over the stickering.

Thanks Lou!


Ps already thought of a simple attachment to ones exhaust that would lower the measured db dramatically will have to make some test rigs up!

[Hailwood]

Firstly thanks to Bykey Cop for the downloads and Motu for the correct info. I was going to put off buying some screamin eagle slashcuts for the softail because of this but it now seems they will be fine.

Seems to me that, as its not part of WOF test, if your bike is that loud andyou go full noise past a cop and get your bike sent to be certified, then you deserve it. There are some HOG members who will struggle with this test but hell their bikes are too damn loud!!!!!! Straight 7"pipes that fire flames on a throttle off..while they look good, they are guaranteed to attract unwanted attention...I guess we all jumped to the immediate conclusion that it related to a WOF test and that most bikes (Jap, Italian, Yank..cruiser, sportsbikes) would be screwed but it appears that this is not the case...........yet!!!!!!

Maybe just maybe we need as a collective group of motorcyclists to get off our high horses and realise that not everyone loves the sound of a bike at full noise screaming around..be that a Yank cruiser, a Jap sportsbike whatever, just the same as some people don't appreciate a bike wheeling past them on the open highway. Yes we have the right to ride on our roads but there are certain obligations we have to meet to do this...these are called laws. Surprisingly our road laws in NZ are not as draconian as some other countries. Rather than bleating on about Helen and her sexual preferences and Muldoon and his different approach to democracy, be prepared to do something about it!!!!!! I do hope that everyone here actually votes every three years for a start.

We do need to be aware though that the more excessively noisy bikes there are, the more the call will be to include it in the WOF test. Be ready to write submissions to any proposed law change, support petitons etc...the system does work sometimes..anyway my 2 cents worth.....

[jimbo600]

I'd be surprised if any bikes get tested. Most of us are pretty good and you don't often hear about a noisy bike problem. However if this roots those fuckwit boy racer types them hey I'm all for it. Bunch of tossers.

[Rashika]

I'm fairly sure they tested a race kitted XB and it passed.
No, don't thank us. We live for helping bikers at AMPS.:first:
:rockon: 'corse ya lot do! ...literally really, wouldn't be in business long if ya didn't ;)
Nice to know they tested one like mine...good just in case I have an unfortunate meeting with Mr Plod. Tho my bike is not really that noisy anyway, just a has a nice rumble to it

[Mr. Peanut]

i think they test at 5,000 rpm at one of teh 'special' testing stations with a noise tester thingamewatzit
Right before my powerband... :innocent:
Muahahaha... :devil2:

Time for some anarchy. Regulate my molotov b**ch.

[limbimtimwim]

I'm for this implementation.

I live on a busy street, and the boi ricers love charging down it. Yep, my choice to live here, but I will still be happy if the top 10% loudest ones are made quieter.

Did anyone else spot section 2.9(4)? Motor vehicles primarily for motor-sport activities get an extra 2db? As long as you have club membership, race licence and logbook. That's good, they are not the ones racing past my house at 3am.

[Wired1]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha - but seriously you'll be Ok if you live in Auckland but where are the other 11 centres going to be? In fact they'll probably put two or three of them up there and only a couple in the South Island. WHat happens if you get the test doen and you pass - do they refund you the travel costs and loss of earnings? can't be real can it?

[Wolf]

I'm generally opposed to having laws for practically everything, but I'm also for this particular law.

It seems they're making a fairly liberal law that looks like it will target the real nuisances for once rather than blanket cover everyone who doesn't own an electric vehicle or have three mufflers in a row on their pipe.

If it cuts down on the noisy wankers who're just being a nuisance without cutting back on those who have installed decent after-market cans that improve performance without making the vehicle sound like an approaching squadron of B52s, I say go for it.

Sick of having my house invaded by the noise of inconsiderate pricks who're using obnoxious noise as a prop for all their personal inadequacies. I have young kids who need their sleep, I need my sleep and I like to be able to hear the DVD I'm watching without having to turn up the TV to the point that the neighbours call noise control.

If people were considerate, we wouldn't need this law. But regrettably there seems to be an overabundance of wannabe gangstas who have seen Too Fast, Too Furious one too many times and seem to think that lotsa noise makes their puss-bucket rotaries and Subarus go faster. The "Image Over Substance" crowd.

If people don't want a "Nanny State" then certain sectors of society need to look to themselves and ensure they don't do things that might prompt the govt to make new laws. The gods know that the govt is quite capable of dreaming up ridiculous laws on its own without furnishing it with ideas!

Probably half the laws we have on the books wouldn't even be there if people thought of the consequences of their actions.

[Wired1]

Yes I take your point, I live out in the wop wops and the main road is 400m away and a really nice straight of about 10km so it is a popular spot for opening her up. It is OK when it is a nice vee twin rumbling away but when some of those pesky sports bikes scream along I find myself wishing the plod would camp out at the end of the road once in a while.

[Shadows]

i think they test at 5,000 rpm at one of teh 'special' testing stations with a noise tester thingamewatzit

If some arsehole sits on my bike and holds it at 5,000rpm with no load on it the fucker had better know a good dental surgeon...

[Shadows]

Noise measurement is a complete cunt anyway so I doubt these fuckwits will get it right.

Are the tests free field tests? In a dead room? Is that 100dB @ 3m?

Horseshit just like every other useless fucking law this dickhead government have introduced.

"I know how to improve NZ society, let's legalise prostitution, allow fags to get married and tax the fuck out of motorists"

Dyke bitch. I hope she fucking dies of AIDS.

"You must spread some reputation around blah blah blah...."

[Clivoris]

Am I reading this right, the Aprilia gets tested at 4000rpm yet my CR would get tested 6000? Obviously it doesnt need to be tested, but regardless . . . that seems a bit strange to me.
That seems fair to me. Anyone that resorts to owning an Italian bike is obviously a bit challenged and deserves a break from the Gumint every now and then.:wait: Still, best I avoid getting my "race use only" cans tested.:scooter:

[scumdog]

If people don't want a "Nanny State" then certain sectors of society need to look to themselves and ensure they don't do things that might prompt the govt to make new laws. The gods know that the govt is quite capable of dreaming up ridiculous laws on its own without furnishing it with ideas!

Probably half the laws we have on the books wouldn't even be there if people thought of the consequences of their actions.

The trouble is that those who create the need for this type of regulation are the same ones that stand around with their mouths open saying "shit, I wonder why they brought that law in? Bloody government"

They seem not to think (Now THERE'S a true statement!) that their action might cause a reaction that they might not like. Effwits.

[Wired1]

I don't know about needing a dentist, but I have another idea - that thing looks a bit like a rectal thermometer to me...

[Lou Girardin]

If some arsehole sits on my bike and holds it at 5,000rpm with no load on it the fucker had better know a good dental surgeon...

2500 for Sporty's. Read the file.

[Squeak the Rat]

All you guys wooohooing about your bikes high redlines etc better read the instructions again. The way that I read it, the "default" rev's they use to measure are used if the tester does not have information about your bikes peak power.

So unless I've got it wrong, if they do have this information then the tester uses the rpm that is 75% of peak power. eg if your bike has peak output at 12,000rpm, then it will be tested at 9000rpm.....


2.61
a) in the case of an engine that has a manufacturers engine speed maximum power (ESMP) that is known to the LVV certifier, 75% of that figure

[Wolf]

All you guys wooohooing about your bikes high redlines etc better read the instructions again. The way that I read it, the "default" rev's they use to measure are used if the tester does not have information about your bikes peak power.

So unless I've got it wrong, if they do have this information then the tester uses the rpm that is 75% of peak power. eg if your bike has peak output at 12,000rpm, then it will be tested at 9000rpm.....
The XT225 has no tacho. You can hook up a test tacho to it but other than that it's pure guess work. So far as the specs from Yamaha go, it red-lines at around 8.8K - based on a table that says in 6th gear 135km/h is red-lining at 8805rpm, in 4th gear 95km/h is 8790.953 rpm and deemed safe.

I guess I won't be getting any aftermarket can unless I can guarantee that it either sounds quiet to the ear or that the testing centre has the appropriate test tacho.

Not that I can afford an aftermarket can, anyway.

[scumdog]

Once again KBs resident Chicken Littles rally around the topic........:wait:

[Squeak the Rat]

Once again KBs resident Chicken Littles rally around the topic........:wait:
My sky is fine, i just like watching every one else look up.....:innocent:

[Motu]

. Read the file.

It appears they can't - it's the Chinese Whisper effect....they hear a rumour and every bike in NZ has to have a new exhaust system,they make a big stink - but no one ever bothers to actualy read what is written.

[Ixion]

,, every bike in NZ has to have a new exhaust system,they make a big stink - ,,.

No, no. It's only vehicles after 1985 . And not just bikes, cars too. But bikes with standard exhausts in good condition are exempt. So it's only post 1985 bikes with after market exhausts, they'll all have to get a certificate. Better book in quickly , with only 11 certification centres (for bikes AND cars) there'll be big queues.No point waiting until you get picked up, and green stickered.

[Wolf]

The trouble is that those who create the need for this type of regulation are the same ones that stand around with their mouths open saying "shit, I wonder why they brought that law in? Bloody government"

They seem not to think (Now THERE'S a true statement!) that their action might cause a reaction that they might not like. Effwits.
Ahh, that's because it is their inalienable right to behave in an annoying or dangerous fashion. How dare people take umbrage and complain, how dare the gummint get fucked off with the complaints and carnage and make an unfair law forbidding them from doing it, how dare the pigs charge them for it, sniffle, sob, so hard done by...

I'm generally a mild person when it comes to dishing out retribution but at 4am, when jarred from my sleep by a retard in an RX7 progressing up the street by bursts of throttle rattling out through an illegally modded exhaust, I seriously feel like taking a stroll down to the prick's house and taking to the engine area with a large axe.

That said, curses do work - especially when uttered with total sincerity (and there is little in this world more sincere than a curse uttered at 4am after one's sleep has been rudely interrupted) - and the prick blew his engine up as per my desires. I had great delight coming up behind an RX7 under tow and seeing it turn into the house down the street that I had previously identified as the home of the offender.

Stupid cock. Him and others like him are responsible for a large number of the nanny laws we have here.

[limbimtimwim]

There is a light blue Series 1/2 RX-7 that used to always drive past. Loudest one of the lot. I have not heard it in recent weeks.

Hurrah!!

It a dog slow pile of dung anyway.

[Squeak the Rat]

A quiet Yoshi saves your doshi..... :killingme

[Wolf]

There is a light blue Series 1/2 RX-7 that used to always drive past. Loudest one of the lot. I have not heard it in recent weeks.

Hurrah!!

It a dog slow pile of dung anyway.
Yeah well, they're getting long in the tooth now and the worst offenders are the ones modded by cocks that think drilling a few holes in the exhaust makes them sound/perform better when in fact they're fucking the exhaust system and shortening the life of the engine. They're also the cocks who drive them in a stupid fashion, damaging the engine and risking wrecking the car.

Soon the only RX7s alive will be the ones in pristine factory stock or sensibly modded by skilled enthusiasts and well looked after, not driven by fuckwits.

The retards are to a degree "self limiting" and the number of wankers driving RX7s will diminish to nothing. Regrettably, all this means - since they're too stupid to realise it was their own fault the car blew up or crashed - is that they will go from an RX7 to whatever the latest small-cock mobile is and carry on making a nuisance.

[Wired1]

So where is the official document? can someone post the link please?

[Squeak the Rat]

Page 4 of this thread, posted by Bykey Cop (cheers BC)

[Shadows]

2500 for Sporty's. Read the file.

It wouldn't open on my computer.
Not that it would have done me any good any way, I can't read.

[Lou Girardin]

It wouldn't open on my computer.
Not that it would have done me any good any way, I can't read.

I'll take it back then. Bikey cop will read it for you.

[Wired1]

Thanks, I'll bone up on it for want of a better expression.

[MikeyG]

Here is all the information and a list of certifiers that can certify your exhaust. Of course, getting it certified will be like getting any other modification certified. It's going to cost $$$.

Page 8 and 9 tell you the RPM level that your exhaust will be tested on depending on the type of engine you have.

BC.

Going from what Bykey Cop posted I read it as you only need certification if you fit an aftermarket exhaust, stock exhausts do not need certification. Have I read this right?

[Wired1]

Ok I read it. My XV has a four stroke twin cylinder motor with two valves per cylinder so that makes 2500 rpm. At that speed I could take the pipes off and it would be under 100dB just about. I am surprised to see that there will be a testing dude in Nelson as both my bikes have after market exhausts on them.

[Mooch]

I'm glad its 100db, the Duc should just squeeze through and that is with the standard exhaust...., gonna have to get a different muffler for track days though

yeh , but you'll need to make sure the clutch is pulled in during testing .... Dry clutch is gotta be worth another 10 db !.

Will be interesting for some of us Vtwin boys and girls with aftermarket pipes. A set of full Arrows or Termi's are around the 104 db mark, hopefully it doesn't produce that at 4,000 rpm. Mind you , only an issues if your pulled over .... whats the chances of that in this day and age ....

[myvice]

Hmmm, little green monster I'm on might be a tad over.
But I like the way it sets off car alarms...