L plates - which offence is worse?

[McJim]

I've searched the forums but can't specifically find the answer to this one.
Can someone please tell me which offence is deemed worse by the Police or by the NZ Law in general. Driving with the flow of traffic causing you to exceed the 70 kph Learner Limit with an L plate on OR being caught without an L plate?
If they both have the same weight ($400 and 25 points) then surely this persuades us learners that it does not pay to wear your L plate since sensible riding will result in you not being stopped by the police at all.....
At the moment I am at risk of being pinged for the first one as I like my hazards where I can see 'em - in front of me - not barrelling up my arse at 110 when I'm doing 70 (imagine being hit from behind by a car doing 40kmh while you are waiting at the lights).

[Ulaa]

Very good question BigMcjim. I have now had my 3rd LPlate fall off my bike cause they are only Velcro'd on. There is nowhere on the rear of my bike to physically attach it so they keep falling off. I also tend to feel like a target with the LPlate on a lot of the time, I think some drivers will actually take the opportunity to mess with you if they think you are a newbie.

[sAsLEX]

One is $400 for breach of license conditions

the other around 170 odd assuming say less than 30 over I think?! Might be 25 over where it ramps up again



But I was stopped on L's without the plate and just got my standard road tax not one for the lack of l plate

[Filterer]

From what i have read about others experiences with the coppas if you have an L plate up and are going with the flow of the traffic then they won't pull you over....

but personally I dont do the whole L plate thing on the bike

[Jonny Rotten]

i never had an L plate on my bike apart from when i sat my restricted....mainly because i ride down the motorway everyday to work and didnt like doin 70 kmh while the other traffic was doin 100 kmh as long as you ride safe i dont see why you would get stopped.....but i cant awnser your questuon on which one is more fround apon

[Patrick]

"Don't do 70 in a 100 zone ever. Go with the flow... dont attract attention to yourself" is what my basic handling instructor told me... He was right.

[thehollowmen]

No L plates is $400 AND 25 demerits.

Going at 100 on the open road rather than 70 is 35 demerits and I can't remember the dollars BUT You'll never be called on it. Just about never.

The only time is when you'll be stopped and done for 30 over you're traveling at ticketable speeds and then they'll tack an extra 30km/h to the ticket. This means that 111km/h is license loosing speed(!!!) for a learner (40 over = 28 days walking). And then you'll also get another 400 and 25 from no L plate.

You can be justified by saying you're moving at the same speed as traffic and decided it was safer after just about being hit from behind by a WRX / RAV4 and other cars, and their dangerous overtaking.


Both with make you inelligable for the CBTA course.

[bobsmith]

I always kept my L plate on my bike and did open road speed everywhere. I personally thought doing 70km/hr on open road was completely idiotic.

I can say I've passed several pigs doing 100km/hr on open road and I was never stopped. that's just my experience though...

[speights_bud]

This means that 111km/h is license loosing speed(!!!) for a learner (40 over = 28 days walking). And then you'll also get another 400 and 25 from no L plate.

Not quite so,
you will be fined $400 for breach of licence cond, being 30 km over your 70 km/h licence condition. This is NOT a speed limit. therefore you will recieve a ticket for doing the 11km/h over the speedlimit and a $400 fine for breach of licence conditions.

I always rode with my L-plate on, had not problems as i was keeping up/passing other traffic anyway. and only ever got pulled up for doing 120...

Also another good point:

NO L-PLATE ALSO MEANS NO INSURANCE!!!

Same principle as a restricted car driver with passengers! breach of licence conditions.

My advice, mount the L-plate, do your time, fold it up under ur plate or whatever you wanna do with it, just put the bloody thing on so you don't find yourself paying off a $100,000 BMW for the rest of your life:)

Happy riding:scooter:

[apteryx_haasti]

I've chosen to go with the L-plate permanently on the bike, but ride to the situation, which means there is no way I am doing 70 kph on the open road unless everyone else is to. If I get pulled over for it and asked how fast I'm going I'm going to say, "No idea, officer, I was watching my following distance to the car in front."

I decided to try and stick to 100 or under while wearing the L. Sounds pretty much like they won't pull ya over for going up to 100 but more than that's probably asking for hassles.

Roll on October and the restricted test! Woo woo!

A_H

[MattRSK]

Roll on October and the restricted test! Woo woo!

A_H

We must of got our licence around the same time. :rockon:

[Buster]

The 70kph rule is there to keep learners off the open road. If your going to do it, tuck the L plate up as to not attract any undue attention.
Doing 70 in a 100 zone is a very bad idea.

Speightsbud is right about the fines..

[sunhuntin]

I've chosen to go with the L-plate permanently on the bike, but ride to the situation, which means there is no way I am doing 70 kph on the open road unless everyone else is to. If I get pulled over for it and asked how fast I'm going I'm going to say, "No idea, officer, I was watching my following distance to the car in front."

I decided to try and stick to 100 or under while wearing the L. Sounds pretty much like they won't pull ya over for going up to 100 but more than that's probably asking for hassles.

Roll on October and the restricted test! Woo woo!

A_H

i wear my l plate [whats left of it!! one corner missing and opposite corner chewed by the tyre] and ride to open road speeds. got followed by a cop on the wellington motorway...had just pulled off from the lights so was only going 80...was about to wind it up when i took a better look at the car behind me. had there been no lights, i would have been doing 100/110 k.

i dont mind the plate...i think its kinda dinky really...kinda like the tiggers that hang off my fork reflectors, lmfao.

[Hellraiser]

The 70kph rule is there to keep learners off the open road.

Ooooh MY GOD we have someone with a brain cell ....... lol

You hit the nail on the head. If you turned to me and said "but constanoon i was just traveling at the same speed as the cars cause it would be dangerous to do 70km" i'd give you a $400 fine and tell you to get OFF the m/way.

Cause as stated the limit is there so you don't use the m/ways hence when you do your restricted test there's no open road riding.

[Squeak the Rat]

There may be a difference in attitude of the coppas depending on where you are. Outside the main centers they are probably more lenient because sometimes you have to go on the open road.

In Aucks and Wellington, there are alternatives to the motorway and you may be more likely to get stopped.

[Flyingpony]

I have now had my 3rd LPlate fall off my bike cause they are only Velcro'd on. There is nowhere on the rear of my bike to physically attach it so they keep falling off.
Drill a hole in the top of your L plate and then simply attach it to one of your number plate nut & bolts. That's how I did mine and it never fell off.

[McJim]

I've stuck it to one of the spokes on my back wheel - it never falls off, it's attached to the rear of my bike but no-one sees it except from the side when I'm stationary:nya:

[dnos]

I've stuck it to one of the spokes on my back wheel - it never falls off, it's attached to the rear of my bike but no-one sees it except from the side when I'm stationary:nya:

haha what a wicked idea. Cop asks where is your l plate - right there officer :blah:

[sels1]

"Don't do 70 in a 100 zone ever. Go with the flow... dont attract attention to yourself" is what my basic handling instructor told me... He was right.

Good advice from one who knows.....(read between the lines, folks)

[Str8 Jacket]

Also another good point:

NO L-PLATE ALSO MEANS NO INSURANCE!!!



I must have been lucky then... when I wrote of my first bike I had no L plate attached and they still paid me out. Maybe because I was let of with a warning for dangerous driving (should have been careless, but who cares) so no charges. The cop must not have looked for an L plate either as they never mentioned anything....

[ZeroIndex]

Ooooh MY GOD we have someone with a brain cell ....... lol

You hit the nail on the head. If you turned to me and said "but constanoon i was just traveling at the same speed as the cars cause it would be dangerous to do 70km" i'd give you a $400 fine and tell you to get OFF the m/way.

Cause as stated the limit is there so you don't use the m/ways hence when you do your restricted test there's no open road riding.
and how exactly are you supposed to ride around Auckland if you live there? I've rode around there a tiny bit, and it's not a Learner-Friendly city.. But yeah, I've done tonnes of 'touring'-style riding, and 70km/h at the experience level that I ride at would just be stupid.. only got another 22 days till i can sit my restricted though :) <-- talking about my experience level, I'm not saying I think I'm better than everyone.. I KNOW I AM!! J/K LOL haha, nah, I've done over 10,000kms in my 5 months of riding, and that doesn't include the 6 - 9 hours each day (tuesday to saturday) spent delivering mail on a bike

[Ozzie]

Face it, there is no safe way to be a learner.

Everyone speeds, and gets impatient, and pulls dumbass overtaking moves, tailgates and whatever else because learners don't go fast enough, and that is in the burbs.

I take my GF out on her bike, she has done only 400 km, and she scares me in that she wants to go for big rides, but I don't want her to go too fast till she has more experience. But if we go slow, F'Wit cagers try and kill both of us.

[sunhuntin]

Ooooh MY GOD we have someone with a brain cell ....... lol

You hit the nail on the head. If you turned to me and said "but constanoon i was just traveling at the same speed as the cars cause it would be dangerous to do 70km" i'd give you a $400 fine and tell you to get OFF the m/way.

Cause as stated the limit is there so you don't use the m/ways hence when you do your restricted test there's no open road riding.

blow being stuck in town!! i live for the open road and love it!!

[sndrmn]

When I was on my learners I had the L plate on all da time. Meet lots of guys who seemed to make it an art form as to how they hid their L plate....

For me is was just an incentive to get my restrictive. Get that damn L plate off my bike!!! did'nt help that my mates called it a LOSER plate.....

[Ixion]

I must have been lucky then... when I wrote of my first bike I had no L plate attached and they still paid me out. Maybe because I was let of with a warning for dangerous driving (should have been careless, but who cares) so no charges. The cop must not have looked for an L plate either as they never mentioned anything....

It will only be an issue if, after the accident , you are charged with breach of licence conditions in not displaying the L plate. Otherwise, how does the insurance company know? And for that to happen you would either have to run up against the renowned Cunstable Cuntly McCunt , or be yourself such a cunt that you totally pissed off the cops.

[Hellraiser]

and how exactly are you supposed to ride around Auckland if you live there? I've rode around there a tiny bit, and it's not a Learner-Friendly city.. But yeah, I've done tonnes of 'touring'-style riding, and 70km/h at the experience level that I ride at would just be stupid.. only got another 22 days till i can sit my restricted though :) <-- talking about my experience level, I'm not saying I think I'm better than everyone.. I KNOW I AM!! J/K LOL haha, nah, I've done over 10,000kms in my 5 months of riding, and that doesn't include the 6 - 9 hours each day (tuesday to saturday) spent delivering mail on a bike

Great Sth Rd goes from the CBD all the way to huntly, Great Nth Rd goes from the CBD to Henderson and if you need to go to the shore you can either go through west akl & over greenheith or get on the bridge a shelly beach rd & get off at onewa rd as the bridge has a speed limit of 80km/hr you won't be holding people up much.

You may have good exp but there are others that don't and it would be a nightmare to police a law that gave exceptions to those that have the exp. One law for all.......

[ZeroIndex]

Great Sth Rd goes from the CBD all the way to huntly, Great Nth Rd goes from the CBD to Henderson and if you need to go to the shore you can either go through west akl & over greenheith or get on the bridge a shelly beach rd & get off at onewa rd as the bridge has a speed limit of 80km/hr you won't be holding people up much.

You may have good exp but there are others that don't and it would be a nightmare to police a law that gave exceptions to those that have the exp. One law for all.......
i wasn't saying i want a different law for myself (unless it had no speed limit), I'm just saying the entire 70km law is stupid, and by being in 100km zones at 100km helps you learn faster (and if you don't learn, well, then a motorbike probably isn't the safest option to go for then)

[McJim]

You may have good exp but there are others that don't and it would be a nightmare to police a law that gave exceptions to those that have the exp. One law for all.......
I agree - there should be one law for all - the whole problem here us that a 15 year old with no experience can drive a performance car at 100kmh with an experienced passenger (who wouldn't be able to do much since dual controls aren't specified) but a 36 year old with 22 years riding experience on bicycles (which I've taken over 70kph on downhill sections of road) is restricted to 70kph. The fact is there is not one law for all and the 70kph law does more harm than good in my opinion. The Government often makes a real arse of legislation in this country and sees a reversal of policy as a sign of weakness not a sign of intelligence - we are therefore saddled with a lot of poor legislation that has been compounded with worse legislation to validate it without taking the aforementioned U turn. It's the police I feel sorry for - they have to enforce it.

[crazybigal]

were is this alternative rout between wellington and the hutt? you have to go on the open road



There may be a difference in attitude of the coppas depending on where you are. Outside the main centers they are probably more lenient because sometimes you have to go on the open road.

In Aucks and Wellington, there are alternatives to the motorway and you may be more likely to get stopped.

[McJim]

Face it, there is no safe way to be a learner.

Best way to be a safe Learner - apply for your licence 6 months before you intend to get a bike. I'm going back to the cage until it's legal to drive without an L plate. Means I'll lose out on bike experience but I just have to tread the path forced on me by current legislation.

[Jantar]

The 70kph rule is there to keep learners off the open road. If your going to do it, tuck the L plate up as to not attract any undue attention.
Doing 70 in a 100 zone is a very bad idea.

Speightsbud is right about the fines..

So what you are saying is that unless you live in a city then you shouldn't learn to ride a motorbike? :oi-grr:

[mazz1972]

You never know, there is always a slim possibility that the powers that be could see sense and increase the 70kmph limit for L-platers to a more sensible speed.....then again hell could probably freeze over, and thaw, before that happens. :angry:

If you were driving a car at 70kmph, and holding up traffic in doing so, would you be ticketed?

Speights makes a very good point – no L plate – no insurance. Can’t say that had occurred to me.

Buster and Hellraiser also make a very good point – the speed restriction is there to keep learners off the motorways. I take that to mean state highways as well. That’s all very well if you are somewhere like Auck and there are various other routes. Where I live I will have to ride on the state highway if I want to get to another town, as there is only one route.

Does anyone know if there any groups actively petitioning for the 70kmph restriction to be lifted? If so I would like to add my support. Or has this already been actively campaigned for and gotten nowhere?

Like others have said, my riding instructor also agrees that 70kmph is an insane speed to ride on a highway/motorway, but did actually stop short of saying not to do it.

As for the L-plate, I’ll be leaving it on till I get my restricted :innocent: . But I wont be sticking to the 70kmph if it’s clearly not safe to do so. Will just have to see what happens if I get pulled up for speeding!

[quickbuck]

When I had my L plates, I used to attach it by two key rings to the bottom of the number plate (it was a black one, and had holes in the bottom). This way I could tuck it up behind the numberplate, and pull it out if stopped.
I got away with, "my dad rides the bike too, and I forfot to pull the plate down officer" on a couple of occasions. The thing was, even if I did pull it down, you could only see the L plate if the bike was stationary.
As for the 70 limit, yes it is there as the learning is supposed to be done in town. Then move to faster stuff when you have a few k's under your belt.

Not saying I agree with it though.

[apteryx_haasti]

[QUOTE=Hellraiser] tell you to get OFF the m/way.

QUOTE]

And I would say - how the hell am I meant to get to work then? Since from where I live there is no choice at all, and to get to work I HAVE to ride on the m-way! There is actually no non-motorway route from the Hutt Valley to Wgtn.

EDIT - PS - passed a cop on the way into town Weds morning. I was going at about 85 and did not slow down. Cop was behind me for a fair way and I stuck at 80-85. If cop hadn't been there I would have gone 90-100 as per usual.

I'm not against a restricted speed for learners, I just think it should be higher than 70 kph, like 90 or something, so that you aren't a danger if you do have to go on the motorway. It's not always an option to stay off the m/way and/or open road...

[sunhuntin]

what id like to know is whether it is legal or not to stick an l plate on if you are going to new territory but have a full license? im still on my learners, and plan to go around new zealand. now, if i were to get my full before i go, would i be able to put the plate back on when riding in auckland [still on 250cc] i asked the guy that me my learners, and he said illegal. but im thinking, better to have an l plate and let others know i might mess up than to leave it off and have those around expect me to know what im doing. im ok around town and local roads, but auckland i havent been there in well over 10 years and wasnt driving at the time! same goes for south island.

apteryx, yeh. last time i went down your way, the lights just before mungavin exit [heading to porirua] i had a cop behind me. was going to wind it up then noticed the lights on top. think i was going about 80-90k and they actually overtook and kept going...and it must have been over 100k they were driving at. havent actually ridden the hutt valley road, but plan to soon. lovely stretch too.

[quickbuck]

Don't know if it is leagal to put an L plate on if you have your full, but I have seen a 'Busa with one at the Brass Monkey a few years back. :yes:

[Drum]

The way I see it, an L plate doesnt make you any less likely to make a "newbie" mistake. The intention of those who force you to wear the plate must think that because you are wearing it then other motorists will be more tolerant and give you more space. If this is not the effect (and anecdotal evidence seems to suggest that it isnt), then there is little point to such a requirement.

[COP_B8]

If they both have the same weight ($400 and 25 points) then surely this persuades us learners that it does not pay to wear your L plate

Or riding a larger than 250cc bike at more than 70km outside the 'learners hours' with no motorbike license results in a $400 fine with no demerits then it persuades people to not bother getting a mbike licence

[scumdog]

Somebody lend me a 'L' plate for my 1450cc T-Sport and I'll put it on and let you know how I fare.

BTW I don't live anywhere near the Dorkland loony-bin so the result may not be accurate representation.

[scumdog]

Or riding a larger than 250cc bike at more than 70km outside the 'learners hours' with no motorbike license results in a $400 fine with no demerits then it persuades people to not bother getting a mbike licence

No, it makes those that can't 'get with the programme' for a few months think it's not worth it.
Sort of like commiting suicide because you can't wait until you're 18 to get your gun licence.

Harden up, life is not always the way YOU think it should be.

[WarlockNZ]

Heres the low down ... i had this same conversation with my father .. hes been riding since before i was born and has been in law enforcment for the same length of time ... his advice to me was this .. on an official basis .. "it's 6 months ... suck it up!!" .. cops cant turn a blind eye to a breach of the law, they have to do their job .. not to mention the insurance thing if you crash while riding outside the conditions of your license .. bottom line i quess ... is that if you are stopped .. and it will happen ... just like falling off .. and your riding outside the conditions of your license ... you can expect to feel the hurt. .. 40k over the 70k limit is an instant loss and the fines do down from there .. on a more personal note ... i've been stopped twice(at check points) and ony had my warrent and rego checked .. if your not being stupid ... there is no reason to pull you over!!

[clint640]

This came up a while back. Nobody that I know of has ever been ticketed for doing between 70 & 100km/h on the open road while showing an L plate & not doing anything else wrong.

Way back when I was on my L plate, before the $400 fines, I got pulled up at a random check, the officer didn't give a rats arse that I had obviously been cruising along with the rest of the traffic at 100km/h but I did get a warning for no L plate (which had, er, fallen off..:whistle: ) & later a letter telling me to wait another 3 months before doing my restricted, which didn't really bother me at all 'cos I didn't own a 250 I could do it on at that point... :whistle:

Cheers
Clint

[knight rider]

Ooooh MY GOD we have someone with a brain cell ....... lol

You hit the nail on the head. If you turned to me and said "but constanoon i was just traveling at the same speed as the cars cause it would be dangerous to do 70km" i'd give you a $400 fine and tell you to get OFF the m/way.

Cause as stated the limit is there so you don't use the m/ways hence when you do your restricted test there's no open road riding.

so if you have no other way of getting to work & have to use your bike & the motorway to get to work you'd have to push it?

I always displayed my L plate when I had my learners (except the day it broke off) I always did 100km on the motorway too. There was no way I was gonna risk having a car ram me from behind while it's doing 100km. So to make myself safer I was gonna do 100kms aswell. If a car rammed me from behind when i was doing 70km I knew I'd be in hospital the same day (if not worse). I felt safer traveling at 100km. I knew it was wrong but when you feel your at risk of being rammed what else do you do?

I think the 70km rule is the dumbest road rule i've ever heard. to sit the learner licence you would have had to complete a basic handling skills course in which an intructor assists you to say yes or no if you can/cannot ride a motorbike. so if you can ride a motorbike why can't we ride at 100kms? it's only 30kms more than 70kms. When you get your restricted you then have to learn to ride (legaly) at 100km.

Sorry but I think it sux poos

[9cents]

Ooooh MY GOD we have someone with a brain cell ....... lol

You hit the nail on the head. If you turned to me and said "but constanoon i was just traveling at the same speed as the cars cause it would be dangerous to do 70km" i'd give you a $400 fine and tell you to get OFF the m/way.

Cause as stated the limit is there so you don't use the m/ways hence when you do your restricted test there's no open road riding.

So I have to move house to learn to ride a bike? O_o

My driveway takes me into a 100km zone, maybe those who don't live in town are supposed to just sit at home never riding untill they can sit their restricted and somehow pass with their amazing armchair riding skills.

The 70km rule is second only in stupidity to the 10pm curfew, they serve no real purpose and are not there for safety reasons.

[McJim]

The powers that be decided they didn't want learners on the motorway but didn't have the common decency to front up and say "Motorway out of bounds on a Learner Licence" Instead they came up with another half arsed law that is more dangerous than safe.
I say we get maybe 300 Learner Riders with L Plates on the motorway and drive from Greenlane to Takapuna and back again continuously for a day at 70kph to prove a point.

[mazz1972]

Big McJim that would be a hoot, I'll look out for you on the news.

Bloody riduculous rule this 70kmph for all the reasons you've all gone into.

This curfew is pathethic too. I've only had my learners for a month or so, so ok I'm not yet be an experienced rider, but at my age I sure as hell don't need to be told what time to be home. I've been driving for 20 odd years and suddenly I have to be home by 10pm? It surely can't be for safety reasons. In my opinion that rule shouldn't apply to over 25's at least.

*Sigh, shake of the head and roll of the eyes*

[Jeaves]

The powers that be decided they didn't want learners on the motorway but didn't have the common decency to front up and say "Motorway out of bounds on a Learner Licence" Instead they came up with another half arsed law that is more dangerous than safe.
I say we get maybe 300 Learner Riders with L Plates on the motorway and drive from Greenlane to Takapuna and back again continuously for a day at 70kph to prove a point.

hahaha , one way of proving a point!

...although you wouldnt catch me at the back with a few thousand pissed off commuters :eek5:

[McJim]

hahaha , one way of proving a point!

...although you wouldnt catch me at the back with a few thousand pissed off commuters :eek5:

Easily sorted - we get 4 cage drivers that are on our side to act as the buffer zone behind us.

[judecatmad]

Ooooh MY GOD we have someone with a brain cell ....... lol

You hit the nail on the head. If you turned to me and said "but constanoon i was just traveling at the same speed as the cars cause it would be dangerous to do 70km" i'd give you a $400 fine and tell you to get OFF the m/way.

Cause as stated the limit is there so you don't use the m/ways hence when you do your restricted test there's no open road riding.

Bit tricky if you live on the North Shore and work in the City though.....

I used to travel over the bridge every day to Newmarket and I started off trying to do 70kph like a good girl, but after...ooh...the first day, I decided that I'd rather be pulled over for breach of licence restrictions than be road jam.

If the rules are intended to keep L-plates off the motorways, then the rules should state that clearly and not be all woofty and vague. Having said that, to make such a rule, you'd have to have a viable alternative route, surely?

[Dodger]

Having said that, to make such a rule, you'd have to have a viable alternative route, surely?

Hmm Lower hutt to Wellington could get very tricky.

All going well I get my bike this weekend, and there's no way in hell I'm doing 70kph with 100-120kph cages on the same road. "I choose life" :shit:

Not a big fan of the 10pm rule, I'm 30 years old and have to be home by 10?
Gee, guess I could always go home at 10pm, and jump on the 50cc scooter, with a pillion no less and continue riding. sigh :brick:

[judecatmad]

Hmm Lower hutt to Wellington could get very tricky.


LOL, indeedy - about as tricky as UH to Wellington!

I was actually referring to those poor souls stuck with either the Auckland Harbour Bridge or having to go all the way around via Upper Harbour Highway....the emphasis was on the 'viable' part of the alternate route :D

[Mole_C]

Ill join your rally McJim, i feel much safer going at 100 with the flow of traffic rather than looking in my mirrors all the time at the assholes in their SUVs trying to slowly run me over :buggerd:

[WarlockNZ]

You all seem to be missing the fact that the the 70K limit has been in place since the open road limit (for everyone) was 80K .. this is an old law that hasn't been updated.

There are petition sheets out there if you want to sign :) .. i'll even send you one if you want.

I for one don't wear an L plate (yes, hello Mr Plod), i did, for about a week .. and the number of close calls i had made me snap it over my knee and say fuck that for a game of soldiers.

I go with the flow of traffic and being an old bugger (oh the shame) i have no problem with it, dear god, i've been driving since i was 15.

[WarlockNZ]

Does anyone know if there any groups actively petitioning for the 70kmph restriction to be lifted? If so I would like to add my support!

Why yes ... yes there is ... i'm gathering a petition at the moment :) ... would you like a copy of the sign up sheet??

[Street Gerbil]

L-plate - no problem.
10pm curfew - hmmm - too lazy to ask for an exception but probably would have got one - I often work late.
70kph - got to go. Wouldn't object to 90kph ceiling though. After all, a ridiculously looking L-plate and a highly uncomfortable and dangerous speed limit (I intentionally do not include displacement, since as some folks noted before certain 250 ccs can be pretty wild) are major incentives to move on, cough up some cash for the government, and get a restricted license.

Having said that if someone is up to protest ride @ 70kph sharp I am more than willing to participate either on a bike or on a buffering cage (I've got a two seater minivan with enough room at the back to carry refreshments for approx. 100 riders :cool:

[McJim]

Why yes ... yes there is ... i'm gathering a petition at the moment :) ... would you like a copy of the sign up sheet??

You realise of course that should the petition be successful the likely outcome is the abolition of the 70kph rule replaced with the rule that no-one with a Learner Licence...cage or bike...be allowed on Motorway class roads?

I have realised now that I use the motorway daily...with an L plate on..that the Police do not take interest in the fact that I go with the traffic flow..I had fears that I would be paying $400 every time I tried to escape the jaws of the SUV 3 inches from my tail..the Police seem to be sensible in terms of enforcement. Maybe it's like one of them pustules on your arse. If you don't prod at it - it gets better.

[Ixion]

I am inclined to concur. it is a stupid rule, but sometimes it is best to let sleeping dogs lie. Otherwise, you wake them up, and they jump up all over you and get mud on your clothes and slobber in your face and breath foul bad breath over you and try to hump your leg and then whine and bark when you try to leave. . So if it's like that with dogs, just imagine how bad it would be waking up the Minister of Transport. Do y' REALLY want her humping your leg?

[The Big J]

Having said that if someone is up to protest ride @ 70kph sharp I am more than willing to participate either on a bike or on a buffering cage (I've got a two seater minivan with enough room at the back to carry refreshments for approx. 100 riders :cool:

Ha, at 70 you could pass a few beers around during the protest! Lid up.