Signing his own death warrant

[Qkchk]

Just one (of the many) things that grate me as a truckdriver..........

I happened to be heading home over the harbor bridge when I spotted this idiot on a BLACK BMW R80, dressed in Black as well. Besides riding in the worst possible colour (for the conditions - raining and very overcast/dark skies) this twit didnt have his headlight on! This guy was really hard to see.....

My question is, why doesn't the NZ govt make it law for all motorcyclist to have your headlight on permanently? I have wondered this many times and I still continue to see temporary NZers ride without one...... when you think more about it, if all bikes had their lights on, cars would be more aware of an approaching bike at intersections and crash numbers would no doubt fall. Quite a common quote "I wasn't looking for a motorcycle at the intersection" people see cars and bigger vehicles but sometime fail to look and/or think about motorcycles.

One good thing to comment on is that most new bikes (jappas, not sure about American/British/European) have the headlight on fulltime and the rider cant turn it off. Is this a new 'pre-requisite' for NZ compliance?

Your thoughts............

[hXc]

What a twat! I ride with mine on high beam during the day. It fucks people off, and I get lights flashed etc, but I know they've seen me:yes:

[Waylander]

So should we all ride bright yellow bikes?

[Qkchk]

So should we all ride bright yellow bikes?
If you feel that way inclined............ but I dont think yellow is your colour.

[Skyryder]

I'm of the opinion that all vehicles should have their lights on at any speed over 40kph and that it should be illegal to drive with only park lights on. Most here I think ride with lights on. There was a poll on this at one time.

Skyryder

[froggyfrenchman]

I choose on the day. Sometimes its a bad choice, sometimes passing that truck is a bad choice, sometimes braking that late was a bad choice, sometimes speeding was a bad choice (when u get taxed for it), sometimes getting out of bed and going to work is a bad choice. Whatever will happen happens, just deal with it.

[dhunt]

So should we all ride bright yellow bikes?
Doesn't make any difference. I have people pull out on me probably at least once a week and I ride with my light on as well.

[Waylander]

Well the rest of your rant is obvious. The government is lazy. They wont do anything unless it makes them money and most bikes have thier lights on all the time anyway so fines for this wouldn't make them enough. I chose to respond to the part of it that effects me and I disagree with you on. Every colour has thier disadvantages but think for a second. I ride to work at 6:30am and home at about 5:30pm. means it's been dusk more often then not lately and my bike and gear is black. No one has trouble seeing me with or without the headlight cause I ride to make myself seen.

[Scorpygirl]

If you feel that way inclined............ but I dont think yellow is your colour.

Sorry...not my colour either!!! :blip: I do agree with lights on (on a motorbike) at all times. I had an experience a few weeks ago while travelling to work in the cage. It was one of the pea-soup fog days - couldn't see much past the bonnet. I stopped at the intersection at the end of our road and it all seemed clear. I was about to turn right when something caught my eye. Out of the fog came a GN250 - no lights!!! I pulled up and let them go then they proceeded to turn right at the next intersection - no indicator and then left - no indicator and then they turned into a driveway and you guessed it - no indicator. I have encountered this person since and nearly had another nasty encounter - they nearly wobbled into the path of the cage.

Thank goodness the Virago is hardwired and I don't have to worry about lights on or not.

[Qkchk]

Every colour has thier disadvantages but think for a second. I ride to work at 6:30am and home at about 5:30pm. means it's been dusk more often then not lately and my bike and gear is black. No one has trouble seeing me with or without the headlight cause I ride to make myself seen.
I dont remember quoting on anything about the colour of bikes.........

[shafty]

I ride with MY lights on hi beam during the day also. I studied a newspaper photo taken of our Easter Egg Run a year or 2 ago, and while most of the 500bikes had their lights on, 2 bikes stood out like Dogs Balls - Mine and My Ladies, both on high beam. (So if you see Dogs Balls flying along a Tauranga road, - wave out!)

[Waylander]

....when I spotted this idiot on a BLACK BMW R80, dressed in Black as well. Besides riding in the worst possible colour (for the conditions - raining and very overcast/dark skies)....

Un-edited all I did was cut the end and a little of the begining off.

[dangerous]

Just one (of the many) things that grate me as a truckdriver..........

I happened to be heading home over the harbor bridge when I spotted this idiot on a BLACK BMW R80, dressed in Black as well. Besides riding in the worst possible colour (for the conditions - raining and very overcast/dark skies) this twit didnt have his headlight on! This guy was really hard to see.....
Your thoughts............
My thoughts... well its his right to own a black bike, its also his right to use black riding gears, hell if he was in leather most leathers are black, I wouldnt expect to see some old diger on his R80 in a brightly coloured toothpast tube.
I do however think hes a silly noodle for not having his head light on, maybe he forgot or it blew on him.
Now tell me do you drive your truck with your lights on? I always did but I was mostly on the open road... it did make a difference dosnt mater if its a bike or a 44 toner.


What a twat! I ride with mine on high beam during the day. It fucks people off, and I get lights flashed etc, but I know they've seen me:yes:
I think you are a twat for riding with high beam on... the brighter the light the HARDER it is for other traffic to judge your speed and distance.

I'm of the opinion that all vehicles should have their lights on at any speed over 40kph and that it should be illegal to drive with only park lights on.
I would NOT like to see that hapen... why... cos if every bugger had there lights on no one bike/car will stand out, we would just become one big bler, to be honest I dont mind others not haveing there lights on as it makes me stand out more.

[Skunk]

I think Aussie brought in a law to that effect but it made no impact on the stats.

It's not required here AFAIK, but is in the countries we get our bikes from (Oz, Canada, Japan)

[T.W.R]

You just can't help some people & their stupidity when it come to making themselves visible out on the road. And in some instances it doesn't help whether the lights are on or the bike is a highly visible colour.
Some situations on the road just makes our visibility to other road users next to zero, all we can do is ride accordingly & always be prepared that we haven't been seen.

I've got an article from an overseas bike mag about the lights on debate and some of the results produced during testing where interesting, mostly having the lights on did increase the bikes visibility but also distorted the perception of distance of the view the observer had of the bike as it travelled towards them thus distorting the perceived rate of speed.

some bikes have hard wired lighting whilst others haven't as we all know. Another possiblity is that seeing the bike in question was an R80 beemer it may have had it's light switched on but remember quality Bosch electrics & water don't mix :blip:

[Qkchk]

Now tell me do you drive your truck with your lights on? I always did but I was mostly on the open road... it did make a difference dosnt mater if its a bike or a 44 toner.

I do religiously. As per the photo. I ALWAYS drive with my fog/driving lights on - Being a huge monstrosity on the road, you would think people would see you........nope.

[Qkchk]

Another possiblity is that seeing the bike in question was an R80 beemer it may have had it's light switched on but remember quality Bosch electrics & water don't mix :blip:
Good point, let's hope that was the answer.......... green awarded.

[Waylander]

I do religiously. As per the photo. I ALWAYS drive with my fog/driving lights on - Being a huge monstrosity on the road, you would think people would see you........nope.
Haha my respect for you just shot up. Don't know if I could surpress the urge to filter if I was the one behind the wheel of that thing.

[Rashika]

always ride with my lights on, no choice, HD's have had them on permanently for a long time...I think... at least BuellBabe's previous bikes always had them on.

I seem to recall an incident involving my tent and sleeping mat getting melted on to the front of a particular purple coloured sporty...having your light on all the time is not ALWAYS a good thing! :shutup:
Insurance is GREAT, sleeping in a tent with 20 holes is NOT so great! Just as well Wgtn did not live up to its usual reputation :rockon:

[Hitcher]

I'm of the opinion that all vehicles should have their lights on at any speed over 40kph and that it should be illegal to drive with only park lights on. Most here I think ride with lights on. There was a poll on this at one time.
You Sir, are a Prince. Of course it should be illegal to drive with park lights on, and it is. That's why they're called "park lights". When I am CEO of LTNZ, I shall make it mandatory for the park light switch to be concealed in the boot of all vehicles, rather than as the first click on a column stalk.

This falls into the "myths and legends" of the Road Code. People who "think" that because it isn't properly dark yet, they'd better make a token effort at proactive visibility. Just in case. Irrespective of whether their parkers are actually visible or not. And while they've figured that part of the column stick out, they haven't yet determined that it goes up and down as well, activating the orange flashing lights on the corners of their vehicle.

And people who will not travel faster than 70kmh in an 80kmh zone because they "think" that 80kmh isn't a proper limit and that they'd better meander at 70, just to be on the safe side.

And then there's the ferking AA that thinks that it is a good idea to change the right-hand-turn rules, just because people don't understand them. For fuck's sake, if ever there was a compelling argument for better and ongoing driver education, that would have to be it. Isn't the AA meant to support driver training initiatives?

(Dismounts steaming hobby horse. Returns it to stable).

[Rashika]

(Dismounts steaming hobby horse. Returns it to stable).
errr slight change of subject...how is that new steed of yours?? ;)

[froggyfrenchman]

And people who will not travel faster than 70kmh in an 80kmh zone because they "think" that 80kmh isn't a proper limit and that they'd better meander at 70, just to be on the safe side.



That used to really piss me off, now i pass them, and the cops that sting me for it piss me off

[yungatart]

Maybe his headlights were faulty, maybe he forgot to turn them on, maybe he always rides with them off, who knows. Its a personal choice thing, surely and who are we to pass judgement. As for more laws, no thanks! We have more than enough already, IMHO

[Motig]

I remember reading that article T.W.R and dredging my memory the results were not what they expected. That said I definitely think common sense should be used for lights as in driving to the conditions should also be followed. Lights on high beam tho is not commonsense and will just annoy the oncoming driver who'll probably think your just another ignorant pratt on the road. And remember the road code says they must be dipped for oncoming traffic. They dont need another excuse to give you a ticket.

[mstriumph]

- erm -is this another one of those threads where people who wear full armoured leathers and stainless steel underpants to ride down the driveway get to feel superior to those who wear shorts and t shirt and trust to luck?

it's been said before - we all have choices ......... and, last time i looked, it still wasn't illegal to act unwisely ............... if safety were only as SIMPLE as riding with your lights on it would be perfectly legitimate to legislate that everyone must do it ---------- but it isn't sooo it isn't

sad - but most cagers wouldn't see us if we covered our bikes with flashing bling and rode the roads flashing ourselves stark naked playing the banjo with our hair dyed dayglo orange with purple streaks

we are invisible
get used to it

[Troll]

What a twat! I ride with mine on high beam during the day. It fucks people off, and I get lights flashed etc, but I know they've seen me:yes:

no you are the twat, get pissed off with nuisnace bikers like yourself dazzeling people via the rear vision mirrors

respect for the others on the road tends to get the same in return

idiots like your self do not do motorcycling any favours and just harden peoples attitutes against us

[Scorpygirl]

Maybe his headlights were faulty, maybe he forgot to turn them on, maybe he always rides with them off, who knows. Its a personal choice thing, surely and who are we to pass judgement. As for more laws, no thanks! We have more than enough already, IMHO

I don't want anymore laws either and people do have the choice, I agree. However if I hit someone in the cage (car or bike) cause there are no lights and it is pea soup fog then ....... yeah it's my fault. :shutup:

[Jonny Rotten]

cant turn mine off and thats a good thing

[MSTRS]

no you are the twat, get pissed off with nuisnace bikers like yourself dazzeling people via the rear vision mirrors

respect for the others on the road tends to get the same in return

idiots like your self do not do motorcycling any favours and just harden peoples attitutes against us
He did say during the day...no dazzle as a rule. Highly seeable tho...he has had no-one repeat no-one pull out on him since he was advised to ride with high beam on by someone else on this site. You may think what you like, but twat or otherwise, he will live longer.

[GIXser]

Just one (of the many) things that grate me as a truckdriver..........

I happened to be heading home over the harbor bridge when I spotted this idiot on a BLACK BMW R80, dressed in Black as well. Besides riding in the worst possible colour (for the conditions - raining and very overcast/dark skies) this twit didnt have his headlight on! This guy was really hard to see.....

My question is, why doesn't the NZ govt make it law for all motorcyclist to have your headlight on permanently? I have wondered this many times and I still continue to see temporary NZers ride without one...... when you think more about it, if all bikes had their lights on, cars would be more aware of an approaching bike at intersections and crash numbers would no doubt fall. Quite a common quote "I wasn't looking for a motorcycle at the intersection" people see cars and bigger vehicles but sometime fail to look and/or think about motorcycles.

One good thing to comment on is that most new bikes (jappas, not sure about American/British/European) have the headlight on fulltime and the rider cant turn it off. Is this a new 'pre-requisite' for NZ compliance?

Your thoughts............


i think more importantly we should address truckies" " why is that truckies always speed and predominately drive in the fast lane, only last week i was driving my car and this truck nearly took me out-- i reckon cos most of em,(excluding present company ) are fucking thick C##nts that got their driver training from weetbix packets, either that or they are P 'd up to the eyeballs, trying to get another load delivered-- they are a firken menace and dangerous,,

as far as the bmw all in black with no lights,, he's/she's probably a truckie""

[sunhuntin]

sad - but most cagers wouldn't see us if we covered our bikes with flashing bling and rode the roads flashing ourselves stark naked playing the banjo with our hair dyed dayglo orange with purple streaks

we are invisible
get used to it

exactly....if they dont want to see us, then they wont. i ride with mine on day and night [cept for one time when i forgot....lol] but have been advised not to start the bike with the light on as it can blow the bulb.

[Troll]

He did say during the day....

and that makes a difference ???

it is still inconsiderate, if I am driving and see a bike coming up behind I pull over and let them thru

if I see some inconsiderate ****** with his lights on full I think £$%^ them as for pulling over and letting them through if they want consideration and respect on the road then they should show others the same

no doubt other road users think likewise

given the safety nazis relish for passing laws they will eventually outlaw main beams on bikes to stop people doing this all together

[kro]

The only time I ever came close to downing a rider, was a guy on an old Katana, coming along Golf Rd in Green Bay, and I was pulling out of Taupo Street, and he didnt have his lights on, it was overcast and grey, and I simply could not see him, and pulled the Cortina out clean in front of his flight path.

I never rode without my light on after that day. I don't know about making it compulsory, as a lot people think anything safety/gear related is a waste of time, so you will always get the "I know better" crowd who won't. It would be yet another thing for our already over taxed cops to have to police.

On a lighter note, I just threw a grapefruit at a kid who had just thrwon one at my house window, I am quite pleased with myself, as I copped him fair in the swede, and he fell off his bike. Life is good.

[yungatart]

no you are the twat, get pissed off with nuisnace bikers like yourself dazzeling people via the rear vision mirrors

respect for the others on the road tends to get the same in return

idiots like your self do not do motorcycling any favours and just harden peoples attitutes against us
Plenty of twats on here tonight then eh? He is not the only one to ride with his headlights on high beam during the day, nor indeed, the only one on this thread to claim that... see shafty's post.You have to pick on them all if they piss you off not single just one out!
A couple of weeks ago I noticed from perhaps 150 metres, a bright headlight coming down the road behind me. It was a biker with headlight on full beam - VERY noticeable, NO dazzle. If I see it again, I'll definitely be biker aware and let them through, giving him/her the same consideration I would give to any fellow biker while I am trapped in my cage.

[Waylander]

and that makes a difference ???

it is still inconsiderate, if I am driving and see a bike coming up behind I pull over and let them thru

if I see some inconsiderate ****** with his lights on full I think £$%^ them as for pulling over and letting them through if they want consideration and respect on the road then they should show others the same

no doubt other road users think likewise


so you would rather have someone riding right behind you with thier full lights on rather than let them pass? Somehow I find this at odds with you hating peaple that leave thier brights on all the time..

[Troll]

Plenty of twats on here tonight then eh? He is not the only one to ride with his headlights on high beam during the day, nor indeed, the only one on this thread to claim that... see shafty's post.You have to pick on them all if they piss you off not single just one out!
.

shall I quote them all one by one???

his was the first post I found and I used it, I can find others if you like

[Troll]

so you would rather have someone riding right behind you with thier full lights on rather than let them pass? Somehow I find this at odds with you hating peaple that leave thier brights on all the time..

no just knock the mirror out of adjustment if its inconvienient

[Waylander]

Maybe that's why cagers can't see us when changing lanes and shit. They've all moved thier mirrors to avoid the inconvienience of a headlight behind them...

[sunhuntin]

no just knock the mirror out of adjustment if its inconvienient

thats what i do if i get a cager up my exhaust and blinding me...just knock out the left mirror and position my bike and my arm so it blocks my right mirror. i rode for about 3 days with my light on full during the day, but a riding buddy complained when i rode behind him, so i reserve it for open roads at night and for dark streets at night. [only long enough to see any parked cars that sometimes jump out.]

[MSTRS]

and that makes a difference ???

it is still inconsiderate, if I am driving and see a bike coming up behind I pull over and let them thru

if I see some inconsiderate ****** with his lights on full I think £$%^ them as for pulling over and letting them through if they want consideration and respect on the road then they should show others the same

no doubt other road users think likewise

given the safety nazis relish for passing laws they will eventually outlaw main beams on bikes to stop people doing this all together
I had to have a look at your profile...interesting...NO LIGHT ON AT ALL, and positioned close to the left of the road. Good to see the helmet, gloves and jacket...

[Troll]

Maybe that's why cagers can't see us when changing lanes and shit. They've all moved thier mirrors to avoid the inconvienience of a headlight behind them...


exactly right headlights on full beam result in this and don't do anybody any favours

[Waylander]

odd that they still do it even when person behind them doesn't have thier headlights on full...

But since both of us are being your namesake I'll just pretend like it's the internet.:whocares::innocent:

[kro]

exactly....if they dont want to see us, then they wont. i ride with mine on day and night [cept for one time when i forgot....lol] but have been advised not to start the bike with the light on as it can blow the bulb.


Sorry, everyone was quoting, I just wanted to be popular.

[sunhuntin]

Sorry, everyone was quoting, I just wanted to be popular.

awww, im honored you chose me, lol.


Maybe that's why cagers can't see us when changing lanes and shit. They've all moved thier mirrors to avoid the inconvienience of a headlight behind them...

yeh, id agree with that. but the way i do things, all i have to do is shift my arm to be able to see behind me [cant let go the throttle without risking dropping, lol] my left is permanently out after it got whacked and i havent fixed it yet. give me a good view of the streetlights though

[oldrider]

If I bought a bike that was hard wired for the light then the first thing I would do is wire in a switch that gives me the choice of when and how I use it.
I ride with light off outside of city (town) limits and on within the city limits.
In built up areas drivers recognise lights, in country areas drivers will recognise a headlight flashing from off.
Sick of people telling me what to do or making rules for me because of their inability to read the behaviour required for the conditions.
There are more than enough rules in this country now. :nono: John.

[FROSTY]

I used to be firmly of the opinion that lights on at all times was the only way to go.
Then one (very quiet ) day I sat in the yard and watched bikes and cars aproaching up the hill. I noticed something that has made me do a bit of a rethink.
All the bikes with headlights on were really hard to judge speed and distance on.
Im all for apropriate lighting for the conditions but I think permanent lights on is counter productive

[kro]

awww, im honored you chose me, lol.

You're a "Suzy" sister, how could I not choose you?.

[Waylander]

If I bought a bike that was hard wired for the light then the first thing I would do is wire in a switch that gives me the choice of when and how I use it.
I ride with light off outside of city (town) limits and on within the city limits.
In built up areas drivers recognise lights, in country areas drivers will recognise a headlight flashing from off.


Hey that's actually a damn good idea, provided it's daylight ofcourse.

[Qkchk]

we are invisible
get used to it
I'm aware of that and have been for 12 years.

[Qkchk]

as far as the bmw all in black with no lights,, he's/she's probably a truckie""
Shit-stirrer

[sunhuntin]

You're a "Suzy" sister, how could I not choose you?.

eh?



10 chars!

[GR81]

So should we all ride bright yellow bikes?
damn skippy..! *complicated westside hand signal*

[Ixion]

eh?



10 chars!

He means that your name's not Suzanne. It's not, is it? If it were that would completely stuff up the theory, and probably mean the end of the universe. Or at least civilisation as we know it.

[sunhuntin]

He means that your name's not Suzanne. It's not, is it? If it were that would completely stuff up the theory, and probably mean the end of the universe. Or at least civilisation as we know it.

its not...but still dont get it, lmfao.

[Ixion]

Whew, thank goodness for that. Disaster averted, universe saved. No, don't thank me, all in the days work, saving the universe from annilihation. Well, if you insist, it is thirsty work this universe preserving, awfully good of you, I'll have a Speights thanks.

[betti]

the one bad thing I reckon about riding with lights on, is that with the lovely state of our city roads, and the unfortunate design characteristics of a bike's front suspension, lights tend to move up and down.
There have been cases of cars pullin out on a bike and then claiming the bike "flashed their lights to let me pull out!"
I side with the face it we're invisible brigade and just assume every car is out to kill me... it's worked so far ...

[crashe]

its not...but still dont get it, lmfao.

Suzy = Suzuki.....

[Waylander]

the one bad thing I reckon about riding with lights on, is that with the lovely state of our city roads, and the unfortunate design characteristics of a bike's front suspension, lights tend to move up and down.
There have been cases of cars pullin out on a bike and then claiming the bike "flashed their lights to let me pull out!"
I side with the face it we're invisible brigade and just assume every car is out to kill me... it's worked so far ...
Happens to cars too. Can't tell you how many times I've checked if my brights were on because a car 'flashed' thiers at me and it only turning out to be a bump in the road.

So that exscues for pulling out goes along with "oh sorry mate I didn't see you' Just looking for a reason to make the crash or near crash your fault.

[sunhuntin]

Happens to cars too. Can't tell you how many times I've checked if my brights were on because a car 'flashed' thiers at me and it only turning out to be a bump in the road.

So that exscues for pulling out goes along with "oh sorry mate I didn't see you' Just looking for a reason to make the crash or near crash your fault.

cheers way.

ive noticed that as well, in cars, and it annoys the heck outta me, specially at dusk.

[scumdog]

Yeah but man... dont it look so cool having ya swag bag hanging off the front of ya bike, probley had them cool tassles on the bar ends too :blip:

Tassles? somebody mention tassles?

Just finished fitting them to the T-Sport, gotta be worth 20kph more in speed and WAAAAAY cool in looks!!:2thumbsup

[scumdog]

I used to be firmly of the opinion that lights on at all times was the only way to go.
Then one (very quiet ) day I sat in the yard and watched bikes and cars aproaching up the hill. I noticed something that has made me do a bit of a rethink.
All the bikes with headlights on were really hard to judge speed and distance on.
Im all for apropriate lighting for the conditions but I think permanent lights on is counter productive

That's why I've always fitted two hi-intensity spots-lights to the front of every bike I've had, they're always on during the day and with a 37 degree dispersion it means cars way out to each side still see me in daylight, i.e. on side toads or when coming up from behind, amazing how many more pull to the left to let me past nowadays with those lights.

They go off at night and the headlight is on all the time anyway.

[Lou Girardin]

Do we need yet ANOTHER law? Let Darwinian theory take it's course.
The downside of all vehicles running with lights on, is that we become less noticable.
BTW it's not Bosch electrics that are averse to water, it's Lucas (The Prince of Darkness) and Ducati by legend.

[Squeak the Rat]

I was in the car yesterday evening when it was getting dark and started driving without my lights on. What an idiiiiiiot...... Only got about 20m and was just about to check when a cop came around the corner so i did the old brake just in case you are doing 2kph over the speed limit and glanced at the speedo to see that i in fact could not see. On came my lights, arm up in a friendly wave to my policeman, best sheepish d'oh! oops, innocent silly me smile, got around the corner and pulled a nice sideways drift. Sometimes even the best of us forget.

But - I agree with Frosty, some times lights on makes it harder to judge speed. When it is pitch black and all you can see is the lights - very difficult. You need to see something solid "around" the light, which makes me very dubious of the headlights-on-full school of thought.

I picked the wrong week to give up the coffee.

[Qkkid]

Well i do ride with lights on full during the day, "My Reasons why" 1/ people daydream driving in cars i see it all the time as in they dont realise you are there 2/ Id rather be seen than not seen. Just be aware some lights are brighter/stronger than others, So Mr Hxc so if ya wanna be here for a long time not a short time and enjoy riding and knowing that they are aware of you behind them keep doing it.:ride: :niceone:

[Lou Girardin]

I've seen enough people start to pull out in front of me, then stop when their feeble brains worked out that the bright light in their eyes is a motorsickle, that I wouldn't ride without lights on.

[Ixion]

Lights on is doubtless a wise and providential thing to do. Thouigh if everyone did it, its effect would be much lessened.

But it is each person's choice. An R80 is not likely to be a novice rider. So presumably he has survived so far, and maybe knows what he is doing?

I would not go so far as to suggest that not having a headlamp on in the daytime is "signing ones death warrant".

It is in the same category as fluoro vests, white helmets and such. All Good Things and conducive of safety. But few use all of them for various reasons.

[dnos]

Im thinking of mounting a mind control device to make all other drivers on the road pull over and let me past on my bike because obviously lights on/full/off just don't cut it.

[Qkchk]

I would not go so far as to suggest that not having a headlamp on in the daytime is "signing ones death warrant".


The conditions that I saw this fella in was warrantable for him to have his lights on. It was that drizzly and dark it would of been classified under "headlights on if you cannot see 100 meters in front of you clearly - otherwise know as the 1 hour before Dusk to 1 hour after dawn" rule. In fact the other cars around this guy were more "switched" on than him.


BTW I was not claiming that ALL vehicles should be putting lights on during the day, just bikers. I dont know where or how the subject changed to that. I only mentioned that I drive defensively in my truck (because I bloody well have to!:angry:) and so choose to drive with lights on.

One thing I have noticed with my R1 is the headlights "move/flash" and I have noticed that more road users are aware of my presence (specially while behind them) I think having those 'blue light' bulbs are a good idea, they stick out like dogs bollix. If I do see lights in the distance, I take more notice of it....(in case it is a bike - me being nosey.... if you know what I mean)

[Ixion]

This is probably not the place to remember that back in the day, on moonlit nights, we commonly used to ride without headlamps. Cos once your eyes adapted, you could see better by moonlight than by the feeble light of a 6 volt bulb. 'twas common practcie for long distance truckies to do the same.

[Qkchk]

This is probably not the place to remember that back in the day, on moonlit nights, we commonly used to ride without headlamps. Cos once your eyes adapted, you could see better by moonlight than by the feeble light of a 6 volt bulb. 'twas common practcie for long distance truckies to do the same.
Your not starting to show your age eh? :msn-wink:

[Ixion]

No, that would be recalling what a nuisnce it was when the wind blew the acetylene flame out, and how hard it is to relight on of those things on a wet night.