Talk me through your fast corner!!!!!!!!!

[Quasievil]

I want detail here,for me it goes like this
the corner is coming up fast I change down, look at my entry point, check my speed, slow down, slow down some more, try and look cool, slow down a bit more cause Im a pussy,go around the corner get a line and go like hell so as not to loose to much face.
Im pathetic on fast cornering but if it can be worded how to do it a bit better I might learn something.
Is this a meaningless thread oh well :whocares: its the best I could think of and Im bored at work.

[duckman]

I want detail here,for me it goes like this
the corner is coming up fast I change down, look at my entry point, check my speed, slow down, slow down some more, try and look cool, slow down a bit more cause Im a pussy,go around the corner get a line and go like hell so as not to loose to much face.
Im pathetic on fast cornering but if it can be worded how to do it a bit better I might learn something.
Is this a meaningless thread oh well :whocares: its the best I could think of and Im bored at work.
Have you read the Keith Code book called "Twist of the wrist", It not, I would strongly recommend it. It has some excellent advice on topics like cornering. I think I have a copy if you would like to borrow it. :niceone:

[FROSTY]

well --My nemisis -the sweeper at taupo goes.
gear 5 flat out .Drift right for a wide entry.down 3 gears ,hard on the brakes,clutch in.crank her over hard . -slide clutch to engage second.
Pick her back up. till second apex crank her back over feeding in a bit of gas. feeed her the fat and she drives to the right -fuck Im on the ripple strip again. :spudwhat:
That happened waay too many times.
I musta taken 20 different lines on that corner trying to get it right

[Quasievil]

Have you read the Keith Code book called "Twist of the wrist", It not, I would strongly recommend it. It has some excellent advice on topics like cornering. I think I have a copy if you would like to borrow it. :niceone:


yeah mate I will send you a prepaid courier envelope if ya like and I can read and send it back after no problems that would be freckin fantastico :niceone:

[duckman]

well --My nemisis -the sweeper at taupo goes.
gear 5 flat out .Drift right for a wide entry.down 3 gears ,hard on the brakes,clutch in.crank her over hard . -slide clutch to engage second.
Pick her back up. till second apex crank her back over feeding in a bit of gas. feeed her the fat and she drives to the right -fuck Im on the ripple strip again. :spudwhat:
That happened waay too many times.
I musta taken 20 different lines on that corner trying to get it right
Try going in hotter and making it one corner so that you don't change the direction of the bike twice. If you enter on the far right and leave the braking really late you can forget about the first part of the sweeper. (sorry if that doesn't make much sense, I'm not very good at explaining these things)

[Motoracer]

Is this a meaningless thread oh well :whocares: its the best I could think of and Im bored at work.

Go n do some work! :eyepoke:

[FROSTY]

Try going in hotter and making it one corner so that you don't change the direction of the bike twice. If you enter on the far right and leave the braking really late you can forget about the first part of the sweeper. (sorry if that doesn't make much sense, I'm not very good at explaining these things)
makes total sense to me--tried that --its a 200 degree corner -as in it more than does a u turn -Its been set up so its impossible to single apex --that is if you want to get round at a decent pace

[duckman]

makes total sense to me--tried that --its a 200 degree corner -as in it more than does a u turn -Its been set up so its impossible to single apex --that is if you want to get round at a decent pace
hmmmmm I thought if you ran really wide into the apex of the corner you could drive out towards the left side of the exit with all your horses sweating ??
This was me on a RS125 so .... to be honest, that corner screwed me up more than once so I'm probably talking shit.
If you send a PM to DAVE, he will tell you the fastest was through.

[duckman]

yeah mate I will send you a prepaid courier envelope if ya like and I can read and send it back after no problems that would be freckin fantastico :niceone:
I'll check tonight if I still have it. (it was a loaner from a friend).

I'll PM you tomorow if I do. :niceone:

[FROSTY]

were ya there on saturday. that corner had me totally head F#@#@
I even tried walking round it on the lunch break. --still couldnt figure it out
I think if you can get that corner and when to get the power on in the hairpin Ill be a lot faster

[Big Dog]

I want detail here,for me it goes like this.
Go in too hot.
Use the suction created by the superfast pucker to hold onto the seat.
Close eyes and hope for the best.
:moon:

[duckman]

were ya there on saturday. that corner had me totally head F#@#@
I even tried walking round it on the lunch break. --still couldnt figure it out
I think if you can get that corner and when to get the power on in the hairpin Ill be a lot faster
No unfortunately I couldn't make it. (family commitments).
Your right tho' that sweeper will make all the difference to your times. The first dozen or so times I tried to do it fast I went way wide onto the grass and nearly shat myself!! The way you enter it determines what your exit options are going to be. Did you watch some other races to see how it was done???

[Quasievil]

No unfortunately I couldn't make it. (family commitments).
Your right tho' that sweeper will make all the difference to your times. The first dozen or so times I tried to do it fast I went way wide onto the grass and nearly shat myself!! The way you enter it determines what your exit options are going to be. Did you watch some other races to see how it was done???

Family commitments that got the Duckman legless and completely bladdered on Friday night :beer:

[Big Dog]

According to "the ultimate guide to motorcycling" from the library (funny that there are lots of books yuo can read for free there) it goes in 7 widsows.

1 sight the corner.
2 gravitate to the outside edge.
3 brake just enough to shift the wieght to the front wheel.
4 wait till you can see the exit.
5 tip in on a line that will see you cross your desired apex and hit the outside edge of your exit point.
6 as you pass your "traction apex"* roll on the accelerator.
7 straighten up as you hit the outside edge and aim for the next ouside edge.
* traction apex is the point just past where you have the least traction as it starts to increase again.

Apparently the majority of people are 2/10 slower through every corner than they need to be (and 50% less safe on the road) because they apex too early waisting visibility and putting unneccesary tipped in time into the curve.
Reduced visibility = more brakes going in in the interests of safety = lower speed at exit + less time in a power on situation.
More time tipped in = less time on the gas + earlier braking = lower average speeds around the corner.

[duckman]

Family commitments that got the Duckman legless and completely bladdered on Friday night :beer:
Arrrgggghhh - BUSTED!!! But I also had to help my brother pull down his fence!! :moon:

[Motoracer]

Talk you through it? Hmmm, its a bit too complex to explain cause I don't have the energy to think it through right now. I can take you through it if you are keen to jump on the suicide seat though :msn-wink:

[Quasievil]

Go n do some work! :eyepoke:

Youre right I should ,somehow I just arent that interested in work today hence Im now at home with a beer :blah:

[FROSTY]

keeping in mind that track corners are desighned to confuse the riders --thats the whole idea --It seemed that everybody was gettin tyhe sweeper wrong on saturday.

[Hoon]

The sweeper at Taupo is an exception and you can't treat it like a normal corner. It is a heavily banked decreasing radius double apex kind of turn with a pretty fast approach which requires some trail braking while turning in and an even faster exit which spits you off the track if you apex too early. Messing up the exit will cost you dearly as you will have no drive onto the long straight.

When I'm learning a corner, I'll work backwards i.e. I sort my exit first, then I choose an apex, then I choose a turn point to tip in towards that apex, then I choose a brake marker that will haul me up before that turn point etc. This will give me my basic line. Then I'll start putting in the other stuff like gear changes, braking, weight/body shifts etc and work on getting the throttle open asap (ideally somewhere between the turn-in point and the apex).
Another good drill for nailing entry speeds is the "No Brakes drill" which KC talks about his Soft Science book.

[Deano]

I love the sweeper at Manfeild before the front straight. Hit the picks at 230km/h, go in deep, then tip her over, sight your exit line and feed her the fat, watch the inside curb (scraped my foot round that once - whoops).

[Racey Rider]

Im pathetic on fast cornering but if it can be worded how to do it a bit better I might learn something.
Maybe get a practise bike that cheaper to drop in the corners. then you'll be happy to push the corners harder.




1 sight the corner.
2 gravitate to the outside edge.
3 brake just enough to shift the wieght to the front wheel.
4 wait till you can see the exit.
5 tip in on a line that will see you cross your desired apex and hit the outside edge of your exit point.
6 as you pass your "traction apex"* roll on the accelerator.
7 straighten up as you hit the outside edge and aim for the next ouside edge.


Hope I can fit all that on my tank!! :eek:

So are yous fallas brakeing still while leaned over in the corners, or do you finish your brakeing before turning in and coast through the corner to the power on point?

[Two Smoker]

Well i just through it into the corner, at speeds which my mind is saying "your going way too fast" Generally i end up going around the corner at about 8/10 to 9/10 of the possible speed i can go through it, although sometimes 10/10 which my pegs can attest too...... But im just a slow rider so for me it should read how to take a "slow corner"

Just wait for MR to be bothered to reply lol that or go on the SUICIDE seat hehehe

[FROSTY]

The sweeper at Taupo is an exception and you can't treat it like a normal corner. It is a heavily banked decreasing radius double apex kind of turn with a pretty fast approach which requires some trail braking while turning in and an even faster exit which spits you off the track if you apex too early. Messing up the exit will cost you dearly as you will have no drive onto the long straight.

When I'm learning a corner, I'll work backwards i.e. I sort my exit first, then I choose an apex, then I choose a turn point to tip in towards that apex, then I choose a brake marker that will haul me up before that turn point etc. This will give me my basic line. Then I'll start putting in the other stuff like gear changes, braking, weight/body shifts etc and work on getting the throttle open asap (ideally somewhere between the turn-in point and the apex).
Another good drill for nailing entry speeds is the "No Brakes drill" which KC talks about his Soft Science book.
Did you ever feel ya had that corner right hoon?
A couple of times I felt like ID just shot out of a cannon on the exit but I bloody couldn't duplicate it

[Posh Tourer :P]

Did you ever feel ya had that corner right hoon?
A couple of times I felt like ID just shot out of a cannon on the exit but I bloody couldn't duplicate it

Could that be a late apex? seems to work for me on all the worst corners I've tried.... like someone has already said, get that right and work backwards from there

[Motu]

I'm not a big time braker - I come up to the corner close to my desired speed without creating much drama...then I drop down a gear and toss it in real quick,this can produce a tail slide,but I usualy don't go that far,just enough to load and squat the rear - I then get on the gas as early as I can,that can be a big handful to charge out of the corner,or just enough to put weight on that rear tyre again.

I guess this is a modified dirt technique for the road - by keeping that rear tyre under load all the time I can make my 21in knob tyre do corner speeds you may not think it's capable of when you look at it.The side knobs of my rear tyre have drastic overrun braking wear,much more than the drive side - but I don't brake in the corner,it's my corner entry doing that.

[wkid_one]

Well.....throttle, slide, more throttle, tarmac

Honestly tho - hang out as wide and for as long as my sphincter will handle (or until I see the exit point) - tip it in, progressively roll the throttle and shoot out the other side. Works all of the time - bar twice!

[Motoracer]

Well i just through it into the corner, at speeds which my mind is saying "your going way too fast" Generally i end up going around the corner at about 8/10 to 9/10 of the possible speed i can go through it, although sometimes 10/10 which my pegs can attest too...... But im just a slow rider so for me it should read how to take a "slow corner"

Just wait for MR to be bothered to reply lol that or go on the SUICIDE seat hehehe

You = slow rider = a fucken good joke :killingme

Mate, you just need a 6 hundy and I wouldn't be surprised at all if you leave me for dead!

HO-hoon knows what he's doing so it would pay to listen to him. Me, I am a retard in terms of technical terms, sorry hoon but I didn't understand 90% of the stuff you said. I guess its time I finally did some homework (theory work) on this cornering shit lol.

I just learnt what I have learnt the hard way, practice, practice and more practice. These days I am fairly confident at going around a corner at what most would call a reasonable pace. My thought process is usually just "Corner comming up, do your shit!" the rest, I just leave that upto my instincts and turst that I'll know what's best (it usually works lol). That is why I find it impossible to explain cause I myself can't remember the exact things I do cause my mind is blank (or thinking about other non riding related stuff) when I am riding.

[babyB]

Go in too hot.
Use the suction created by the superfast pucker to hold onto the seat.
Close eyes and hope for the best.
:moon:


lol i can relate to that