Another cop bashing thread

[Lou Girardin]

One of the AMPS guys was bowled on Gillies Ave last week. He'd just come off the off-ramp and headed towards Khyber Pass. About 50 metres further on a car turned right across a line of other cars waiting to turn right and drove into his lane. It was pouring with rain, he tried to brake and avoid the car, but he clipped the front of it and ended up parting company with it and slammed into a stone wall. He was taken to horsepiddle and amazingly was found to have suffered severe bruising only.
The cop investigating the accident has said they're not taking action because two witnesses said that the rider had room to pass the car and that he overreacted and caused his own crash.
These witnesses are obviously experienced bikers who are fully conversant with a bikes braking and avoidance capabilities on a streaming wet road.
What happened to the fact that chummy in the car drove into our guys lane, thereby failing to give way?
Then contrast this to CaN getting a dangerous charge on the say so of some faceless 'witness' some months after the fact.
What bloody morons are they hiring these days?

[Squeak the Rat]

Bloody cops :second:

[Finn]

Bloody Asians!

[outlawtorn]

just doesn't seem fucking fair man, this way of thinking that the biker is always wrong is really getting on my tits. It's time public education is stepped up a notch and time the fucking police are trained in both car handling and bike handling. Send every new cop out there on a bike for two years, then he can better judge a situation.

[Squeak the Rat]

I wonder what he recorded the accident as?

Multi vehicle, rider primary responsibile. Factors: speed, wet.

[ManDownUnder]

:yawn: :zzzz:

[ManDownUnder]

Bloody Asians!
Bloody Mary?

[Finn]

Bloody Mary?

Thought she was a virgin.

[ManDownUnder]

Thought she was a virgin.

You can be a virgin once a month????

[Finn]

You can be a virgin once a month????

I forgot about MarkAuckland.

[Sniper]

We should rise against the man/women thing

[Finn]

We should rise against the man/women thing

Helen Clark?

[Sniper]

Helen Clark?

Ahh yes, that one

[MSTRS]

Ahh yes, that one
Bloody oath!

[dawnrazor]

We are certainly 2nd class citizens as far as the general public are concerned. When I mention I have a motorbike in non biking company, I can see people make a character judgement about me, they assume your wreckless, immature and poor, when in fact I'm generally very safe, boring and could buy and sell their sorry asses before lunchtime!

I don't think bikers are taken very seriously in this country and this sort of response reflects the general predjudice ingrained in joe-publics mind, after all, to them we are smelly biker gangs who sell drugs and rob you house etc etc.

Its doesn't occur to most people that you ride 'cus it beats driving everyday hands down, and 'cus its the most fun you can have in kevlar and leather.

If I'm asked once more by family or friends when I'm going to get a car or for that matter when I'm going to learn to drive a car i'll......

Doesn't exactly instill your faith in witnesses to be objective with their testamonies does it, thats an invisable enemy right there, only a raised positive biker image will make non bikers sympathetic to the bikers lot -but that isn't going to happen over night...well it will if petrol prices keep going up and people chop in their cars for scooters. Wow never thought I'd be glad at the prospect of more scooters on the roads.

Hey Lou you don't think the cop thought it was you do you, given the location ? (I smell conspircy)

Seriously though sounds like your mate was well lucky no thanks to anyone else, the insurance claim will be interesting, a case in point where going to court may well be an option if you get a good lawyer!

[dawnrazor]

Helen Clark?

Bloody Kiwis.....ooops forget where I was for a minute
:gob: :nono: :wait:

[The Pastor]

Take the cop to the disputes tribunal so you can get another bike.

It wasnt the cops fault he crashed, but the cop is responsable for finind liability.

[Lou Girardin]

Take the cop to the disputes tribunal so you can get another bike.

It wasnt the cops fault he crashed, but the cop is responsable for finind liability.


I think the cop is irresponsible.

[inlinefour]

What bloody morons are they hiring these days?

Apparently any friggin retard with an attitude problem will do these days...

[The_Dover]

Apparently any friggin retard with an attitude problem will do these days...


Cool, I could use a part time job.

[Swoop]

Apparently any friggin retard with an attitude problem will do these days...
You forgot the "straight out of high school - spotty faced" bit.....:yes:

[Lou Girardin]

Cool, I could use a part time job.


You're over-qualified. Again.
Get a lobotomy and you can have this guys job.

[Squeak the Rat]

I write heaps of accidents off like this. Judges wont convict if there are independant witnesses saying different to the supposed victim. It sucks and I feel sorry for your mate who has had it doubly rough.

How were things different when you were in the MOT?

You dont charge someone unless you can prove it. Your mate was most probably right but people are so anti bikes all the time it can make things hard to prove.

People always think the biker is at fault, if the witnesses wont back up the rider even though he was in the right there isnt much the Police can do. In accidents like this Police are totally reliant on witness statements and if they dont add up there isnt much we can do.
Mate, it's a cop bashing thread - we don't want any logic here. :)

[Lou Girardin]

I would have charged the driver with careless at a minimum. It comes down to witness crediblity and scene examination. Bystanders know nothing about bike dynamics, a prosecutor would demolish them with one question. Your side is so damn keen on letting the courts decide other matters, what's the difference here?
And this could very easily have been a fatal, if he'd hit the kerb and the wall head first instead of with his feet and legs.
I wonder if it'd be written off then?

[The Stranger]

I write heaps of accidents off like this. Judges wont convict if there are independant witnesses saying different to the supposed victim. It sucks and I feel sorry for your mate who has had it doubly rough.

People always think the biker is at fault, if the witnesses wont back up the rider even though he was in the right there isnt much the Police can do. In accidents like this Police are totally reliant on witness statements and if they dont add up there isnt much we can do.

Um do you have to call the witness?
It seems the cops don't bother to call witnesses when it suites their case.

[oldrider]

Um do you have to call the witness?
It seems the cops don't bother to call witnesses when it suites their case.
Or if they do they pick them to back up their prejudices.
My nephew in Auckland got cleaned up by some pricks in a cage when "they " failed to stop at a compulsory stop.
The law gathered witnesses that said "he" did not have his headlight on!
Bullshit, the damn thing was hard wired and he had ridden some distance already on his way home from work.
They were clearly at fault, he was very badly injured and the cops blamed "him"!
I was bloody bitter about the cops over that for a long time and would have done something about it had I been up there at that time.
I am getting over it now as he is working again and doing well despite the damage to his leg.
I don't blame all cops but I would love to get my hands on that bastard! :mad: John.
Ohh, I feel better now!!

[Squeak the Rat]

And this could very easily have been a fatal, if he'd hit the kerb and the wall head first instead of with his feet and legs.
I wonder if it'd be written off then?
Very good point especially in the context of the government wanting to reduce the road toll. Here's an example of some one who almost contributed to the road toll and it's a case of too hard, move along.

If the witnesses said he could have made the gap then surely that implies the driver pulled in front of the bike [unsafely]. Whether or not he "could" have gone around the car is irrelevant surely?

[scumdog]

I feel sorry for you bikers further north, I have yet to see/hear any anti-biker comment down here from both the Law and the Public. (Not to say there ISN'T)
Worse comment by a cop I've heard was from one who thought that ride organisers should be checking entrants to a poker run to make sure they held full licences if on over 250cc bikes. (This was after he attended a crash cause by somebody who was on a learners and on a big bike, they brought down 3-4 others, - so you could see where he was coming from) I soon put him right on that topic.

Apart from that one incident nothing, nada, zilch as far as negative attitude.

[Renegade]

without knowing all the details of the crash its hard for us to all judge, i know when i go to crashs whoever broke the road rules is geting looked at hard, whatever witnesses say has to be taken with a grain of salt to because most people dont even know what they actually saw, id take em to court regardless of what the witness said if he broke the rules, sounds like the cop dosnt want anymore paper work to go with stacks hes probly already got.

[muzz]

Two vehicle's collide someone is in the wrong.
Police need to investigate the scene and determine what happened.
Not take the easy way out, do your fucken job and stop giving tickets to fill your quoter.

[WINJA]

I write heaps of accidents off like this. Judges wont convict if there are independant witnesses saying different to the supposed victim.
WELL YOUR A FUCKEN IDIOT THEN AND A PART OF THE PROBLEM , ITS YOUR JOB TO MAKE SURE THESE CUNT DRIVERS ARE BOUGHT TO JUSTICE OR AT LEAST MAKE IT TO COURT TO ANSWER FOR WHAT THEY DID , SPOSE ITS THE SAME WITH BURGS AS WELL HEY NO POINT CHARGING THIEVES CAUSE THEYLL PROLLY GET OFF IN COURT.
WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD IS WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD END OF FUCKEN STORY KILL THE FUCKEN DRIVER THATLL LEARN HIM , AND WHAT ABOUT THAT STUPID OLD WHORE WHO JUST PUT HET CAR THRU A CAFE WINDOW , WHY WASNT SHE HAND CUFFED AND THROWN IN THE SLAMMER ,FUCKEN BITCH SIAD SHE TOUCHED THE ACCELERATOR INSTEAD STUPID OLD FUCK , GOD I HATE INCOMPETENT PEOPLE WHO DRIVE LET THE FUCKERS TAKE THE BUS

[scumdog]

WELL YOUR A FUCKEN IDIOT THEN AND A PART OF THE PROBLEM , ITS YOUR JOB TO MAKE SURE THESE CUNT DRIVERS ARE BOUGHT TO JUSTICE OR AT LEAST MAKE IT TO COURT TO ANSWER FOR WHAT THEY DID , SPOSE ITS THE SAME WITH BURGS AS WELL HEY NO POINT CHARGING THIEVES CAUSE THEYLL PROLLY GET OFF IN COURT.
WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD IS WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD END OF FUCKEN STORY KILL THE FUCKEN DRIVER THATLL LEARN HIM , AND WHAT ABOUT THAT STUPID OLD WHORE WHO JUST PUT HET CAR THRU A CAFE WINDOW , WHY WASNT SHE HAND CUFFED AND THROWN IN THE SLAMMER ,FUCKEN BITCH SIAD SHE TOUCHED THE ACCELERATOR INSTEAD STUPID OLD FUCK , GOD I HATE INCOMPETENT PEOPLE WHO DRIVE LET THE FUCKERS TAKE THE BUS

With the time it takes to fully investigate a crash like this where it is not cut and dried there is a good liklihood some other crime gets less time spent on it - more cops are needed even more deperately than you realise.

Often such incidents are resolved by a "Failed to Keep Left" ticket, $150, end of story.

And as for 'incompetent people' - so you KNOW you're never going to end up old and 'incompetent huh? Kharam buddy, Kharma.

[roogazza]

Lose the witnesses ! or find good ones !
But it's too late for that now ! The thinking and decisions have to be made on the spot.
Most recruits are very average drivers, even after training , so how the hell are they able to understand the riding of a motorcycle unless they just happen to be a rider ?

Tough call for the rider on this occasion . G.

[Jantar]

A little bit of simple maths will show who was in the wrong.

At 50 kmh the bike is travelling at 14 m/s.
Allow 0.75 seconds for reaction time, and maximum decelleration of 0.5 G on a wet surface.

The bike will require 32 meters to stop from when the rider first saw the threat and take slightly over 3 seconds including reaction time. However witnesses have said that there was room for the bike to pass, so obviously the whole thing happened in a much shorter space of time.

If the lane is a standard 4 meters wide, with a one meter wide median, the car would need to stop with 2 meters of lane available for the bike to get through. Allowing that the car had only commenced to make the turn and then the driver saw the bike and attempted to stop. Also we'll give the driver the same reaction time as the rider during which time the car is still moving.

In order for the car to stop in time to give the rider room the total distance travelled by the car is 7.6 meters (in an arc). During this distance the car accelerates, then stops. This gives the car a maximum speed of 18 kmh, an accelleration time of 2 second (includes reaction time) and a braking time of one second, a total of 3 seconds.

Suprise, suprise. If the car was able to stop in time to give the rider room to pass then the rider would also have had room to stop. Obviously the car did not stop in time to give the rider room to pass.

The cop should also have been able to measure the distance from the impact to the edge of the lane to confirm this.

[The Pastor]

A little bit of simple maths will show who was in the wrong.
*cut out the rest of the logic to save space*



And this is excatly how you would win at court. Pure damn logic. Get the witness on the damn stand. Pick a hole in the witness's statements. If the witness gets anything wrong (try the color of the bike....) his evidence is then void.

This would be an easy win in court provided you had a good lawyer.

The cost might be initially high, but you can then get somone else to be liable for the accident and therefore get an insurance payout for the repairs or replacement of the bike.

[inlinefour]

Thanks for the red rep inlinefour :gob:

Your welcome.


. It sucks, but its the way it is.


So whats the point of having a law or so called Police...

I'm really starting to think that the Police are being run like a business trying to make a profit by raping the public of New Zealand. Well if the local cuntsables are not going to prosecute in this instance, then what fucking right do orificers in the Poolice have to expect the general public to obey the law??? Two faced cunts are too lazy to uphold the law and prosecute, just because its too hard??? FFS!!! And dynapiggy wonders why he got a red rep... :finger:

[SARGE]

Cool, I could use a part time job.


they make you take a Urine Test Ben


study hard..

[inlinefour]

The mental health system is a bit of a disaster at the moment, dont see me blaming the DAO's, mental health nurses and doctor's. I know its the goverment who closed down the institutions.

I guess your an expert in that field also dyna? :whocares:

[The Pastor]

Er as i said before we prosecute when we know we have a case. In this case the witnesses conflicted with what the rider says. I dont really know how much more straight forward it can be.....:Pokey:


Thats why lou's mate should take them to court....

[spudchucka]

I think the cop is irresponsible.
Tell your mate to write to the area commander detailing the circumstances and request an explanation from the cop as to why that decision was made when it was a clear cut case of failing to give way.

[spudchucka]

Apparently any friggin retard with an attitude problem will do these days...
I didn't know they had started poaching staff from mental health services.

[spudchucka]

I would have charged the driver with careless at a minimum.
Vehicle turning right failed to give way - $150 ION.

[spudchucka]

Um do you have to call the witness?
It seems the cops don't bother to call witnesses when it suites their case.
In this case, (if the car driver was charged) the witnesses that are backing the car driver would defence witnesses, therefore the police wouldn't be calling them, the defence would.

[Virago]

Your welcome.



So whats the point of having a law or so called Police...

I'm really starting to think that the Police are being run like a business trying to make a profit by raping the public of New Zealand. Well if the local cuntsables are not going to prosecute in this instance, then what fucking right do orificers in the Poolice have to expect the general public to obey the law??? Two faced cunts are too lazy to uphold the law and prosecute, just because its too hard??? FFS!!! And dynapiggy wonders why he got a red rep... :finger:
Why do you feel the need to spray venomous personal abuse at a fellow KBer? You're out of line mate - grow up.

[spudchucka]

LThe thinking and decisions have to be made on the spot.
No it doesn't. You attend the scene and gather evidence, make notes, scene diagrams etc, get witness details. You don't have to make a decision on the spot, you can review the evidence from the scene and interview witnesses to determine coroborating or conflicting elements. If need be you can take advice from a cop trained in traffic crashes, the old Ernies do have some uses.

[spudchucka]

If the witness gets anything wrong (try the color of the bike....) his evidence is then void.
Anything wrong? Does this mean that a colour blind person is void from ever giving evidence because they might not be able to determine the colour of the vehicle involved. The colour of the vehicle means stuff all, especially at night under those orange lights, paint colours never appear as they actually are. Picking holes in a witnesses evidence doesn't void their evidence unless they are proven to have told a great big bunch of lies, cross examination simply raises levels of doubt. The judge or jury will decide on the witnesses credibility but it doesn't mean that their evidence is chucked because they got one fact wrong.

[spudchucka]

I guess your an expert in that field also dyna? :whocares:
Just like you're an expert on police matters?

[inlinefour]

Just like you're an expert on police matters?

But a spade is a spade and I know that within the MHS if something goes amiss it is investigated and all necessary steps are taken to try to avoid a repeat. Maybe you guys could follow our lead and help yourselfs gain the respect back from the NZ public?

[inlinefour]

Why do you feel the need to spray venomous personal abuse at a fellow KBer? You're out of line mate - grow up.

More to do with the organisation. I consider myself told off and apologise to Dyna.

[spudchucka]

But a spade is a spade and I know that within the MHS if something goes amiss it is investigated and all necessary steps are taken to try to avoid a repeat. Maybe you guys could follow our lead and help yourselfs gain the respect back from the NZ public?
Aren't you supposed to put "PT" at the end of these sort of posts?

[inlinefour]

We do take the steps needed to avoid a repeat though.

Admitting to the problem is half of it, doing something is the other half. I was dumb founded when I read that the Police are making some sort of pubic forum for everyone to have their say. However I then read further and it was made to sound that all they really wanted to know was what to name the Police in future?

[inlinefour]

Aren't you supposed to put "PT" at the end of these sort of posts?

Because its actually something that has been happening for along time. There are alot of external forces in NZ that are making sure the MHS are doing it too...

[spudchucka]

Admitting to the problem is half of it, doing something is the other half. I was dumb founded when I read that the Police are making some sort of pubic forum for everyone to have their say. However I then read further and it was made to sound that all they really wanted to know was what to name the Police in future?
They are reviewing the Police Act, its going to be re-wrtten and they are asking for public submissions. Its called democracy and apparently thats our system of government, they ask you what you want and then they go ahead and do whatever they feel like despite what the public asked for. Look out for the day that they re-hash the mental health act!

[inlinefour]

They are reviewing the Police Act, its going to be re-wrtten and they are asking for public submissions. Its called democracy and apparently thats our system of government, they ask you what you want and then they go ahead and do whatever they feel like despite what the public asked for. Look out for the day that they re-hash the mental health act!

They are allways reviewing the MHA and looking for ways to improve it. You might be surprised by just how much this is done.

[spudchucka]

Because its actually something that has been happening for along time. There are alot of external forces in NZ that are making sure the MHS are doing it too...
Like Dyna said, you have no idea how much of this already goes on with the police.

[spudchucka]

They are allways reviewing the MHA and looking for ways to improve it. You might be surprised by just how much this is done.
Doesn't make any difference to me when I lock up a nutter, the DAO and MHS still muck us around the same as they always have.

[inlinefour]

Like Dyna said, you have no idea how much of this already goes on with the police.

But how much of it goes public? When it occurs in the MHS is it allways published in a public forum in a attemt to create some form of transpariency and make the public aware of whats actually going on. Then they create legislation to put the changes into law for all health professionals to follow.

[inlinefour]

Doesn't make any difference to me when I lock up a nutter, the DAO and MHS still muck us around the same as they always have.

Stigmatism at its finest, it works both ways does it not? I don't know how its done in your neck of the woods but I'd like to think we get aong well with the local Police as they are always there, when we REALLY need them and thats not that often.

[spudchucka]

But how much of it goes public?
http://www.police.govt.nz/news/
http://www.police.govt.nz/news/tenone/20060623-286/
http://www.nzpa.org.nz/ (scroll down, click on "Read the latest police news")

Just as an example, have a read.

[inlinefour]

http://www.police.govt.nz/news/
http://www.police.govt.nz/news/tenone/20060623-286/
http://www.nzpa.org.nz/ (scroll down, click on "Read the latest police news")

Just as an example, have a read.

Thanks for that, I will.

[spudchucka]

Stigmatism at its finest, it works both ways does it not? I don't know how its done in your neck of the woods but I'd like to think we get aong well with the local Police as they are always there, when we REALLY need them and thats not that often.
Thats the case down my way too, when MHS services need the police we are there, no questions asked. However, when we have a "client" that needs their help its a case of we have to baby sit the person for four hours while the DAO stuff around only to turn up eventually and send the person back out on the street to fend for themselves.

[inlinefour]

Thats the case down my way too, when MHS services need the police we are there, no questions asked. However, when we have a "client" that needs their help its a case of we have to baby sit the person for four hours while the DAO stuff around only to turn up eventually and send the person back out on the street to fend for themselves.

I'm getting the impression that you think that anyone with a mental health diagnosis should be dumped in a psychiatric ward. Is that not saying that those with past convitions should be charged again for the same offence?
If there are grounds to keep them in hospital, you'll find they are indeed admitted, however if there are not then its quite fair that they be returned into society. Just like someone who has been taken in for questioning, if they are found innocent, then they should also be released back into society don't you think?

[Lou Girardin]

If your not happy with that go tell Helen to give them more funding instead of winging on here. I'm sure she will listen to you...

No, we've tried that. It's time you cops grow some balls, not let your bosses say you have enough cops.

[Lou Girardin]

Er as i said before we prosecute when we know we have a case. In this case the witnesses conflicted with what the rider says. I dont really know how much more straight forward it can be.....:Pokey:



Read Jantars post for Christ's sake. Witnesses mean diddly when you have physical evidence.
This was one lazy bloody cop, and it sounds like there's too many of them around.
And spud, I have advised him to take it further, but not many people are as bolshie as me. That's why you guys get away with this shit.
I would still have charged him with careless,
A/ So that it gets to court.
B/ So that he can't say he did stop and give way.

[scumdog]

Your welcome.



So whats the point of having a law or so called Police...

I'm really starting to think that the Police are being run like a business trying to make a profit by raping the public of New Zealand. Well if the local cuntsables are not going to prosecute in this instance, then what fucking right do orificers in the Poolice have to expect the general public to obey the law??? Two faced cunts are too lazy to uphold the law and prosecute, just because its too hard??? FFS!!! And dynapiggy wonders why he got a red rep... :finger:

Hmm, this man seems to know it all, not bad for a 34 year old!
IL4 for Commisioner!

[scumdog]

Read Jantars post for Christ's sake. Witnesses mean diddly when you have physical evidence.
This was one lazy bloody cop, and it sounds like there's too many of them around.
And spud, I have advised him to take it further, but not many people are as bolshie as me. That's why you guys get away with this shit.
I would still have charged him with careless,
A/ So that it gets to court.
B/ So that he can't say he did stop and give way.

Would that we had 'too many of them' - lazy or not.

But driver should have at least got (as previously mentioned) a Fails to Keep Left ticket, easy to prove and puts the guilt in his lap for any insurance claim.

[spudchucka]

I'm getting the impression that you think that anyone with a mental health diagnosis should be dumped in a psychiatric ward. Is that not saying that those with past convitions should be charged again for the same offence?
If there are grounds to keep them in hospital, you'll find they are indeed admitted, however if there are not then its quite fair that they be returned into society. Just like someone who has been taken in for questioning, if they are found innocent, then they should also be released back into society don't you think?
No. What I'm saying is that when the MHS people need our help we are there when called upon, its always a priority one job so we don't have the option of simply turning up when we feel like it. But when we call for their help its usually a long wait nursemaiding someone that really has no place being in a police cell only to find that the people you called for help with that person aren't any help at all.

Its not for me to say whether a person needs to be hospitalised, (although I know crazy when I see it), but the amount of crazy people that get turned back out onto the streets is staggering.

[spudchucka]

And spud, I have advised him to take it further, but not many people are as bolshie as me.
Good, can you please keep on his back so that he does take it further and let us know what happens with it.

[inlinefour]

Hmm, this man seems to know it all, not bad for a 34 year old!
IL4 for Commisioner!

No thanks and I doubt that I know it all either.

[Virago]

More to do with the organisation. I consider myself told off and apologise to Dyna.
Good man - although I still don't understand why you are directing your anger towards the front line officers, suggesting that they "grow some balls", and change the system from within.

The parallels with your own line of work are quite notable, with the problems of the public perception of the mental health system being well known.

The public health system as a whole, works within an ever thinly-stretched financial budget, and the patients are simply "re-prioritised" to suit the budget available. The surgical waiting lists get long and longer - the solution - reprioritise and remove people from the list - problem solved!

The mental health system is no different, with the number of psychiatric beds adjusted to suit a budget, and the patients "re-classified" to suit the facilities available.

The result - many mentally ill people, without the necessary life skills to care for themselves, simply dumped in the community, with little or no support.

And who ends up dealing with these people, when their social inadequacies become a problem? - The Police.

But hey - that's not your fault. You don't set the financial goals, and adjust your services to suit. You simply get on with your job, which is to provide the best level of care that you can.

I have a great deal of respect for those who work with the mentally ill, while having concern about the faceless bureauocracy that decides on the level of service provided.

I also have respect for front-line police officers - so should you.

[lb99]

heres a question for scumdog et al.....,last night I saw the cage that I just sold pulled up by the red and blues, so I waited until said cop had left and went over to the driver to give him shit about how I owned the car for 4 years and never got pulled once, anyway it turns out that he got done for rego, and seatbelt(which he swears he was wearing) law breaker, fair enough, but the reason the officer gave him for pulling him in the first place was that he hesitated too long at the last roundabout.
WTF? is there a time limit?, theres nothing about that in the road code, he probably was taking it easy cos there was a cop up his date, if he had just hammered it into the next convenient gap (like I woulda done) then he probably would have got done for unneccisary acceleration, why didn't the officer just state the truth like, I pulled you over because your car looks dodgy(which it does) or I pulled you over to check you out, why use overcaution as an excuse to pull someone?
I'm sorta ok with the quota thing, after all if they pull you and everythings legit then what can they ticket you for?, also what happens if an officer pulls 200 cars in a week and every single one is un ticketable, then what happens to the cop? is he/she penalised because road users are finally obeying the road rules?, thats not fair, the next step will be "I stopped you because your tail light is broken"
"no its not"
crunch "yes it is, heres your ticket"

[race me!!!!]

this is just hear say but aparently your only allowed to around a round about 7 times legally??? is it true spudchucka????

[spudchucka]

heres a question for scumdog et al.....,last night I saw the cage that I just sold pulled up by the red and blues, so I waited until said cop had left and went over to the driver to give him shit about how I owned the car for 4 years and never got pulled once, anyway it turns out that he got done for rego, and seatbelt(which he swears he was wearing) law breaker, fair enough, but the reason the officer gave him for pulling him in the first place was that he hesitated too long at the last roundabout.
WTF? is there a time limit?, theres nothing about that in the road code, he probably was taking it easy cos there was a cop up his date, if he had just hammered it into the next convenient gap (like I woulda done) then he probably would have got done for unneccisary acceleration, why didn't the officer just state the truth like, I pulled you over because your car looks dodgy(which it does) or I pulled you over to check you out, why use overcaution as an excuse to pull someone?
I'm sorta ok with the quota thing, after all if they pull you and everythings legit then what can they ticket you for?, also what happens if an officer pulls 200 cars in a week and every single one is un ticketable, then what happens to the cop? is he/she penalised because road users are finally obeying the road rules?, thats not fair, the next step will be "I stopped you because your tail light is broken"
"no its not"
crunch "yes it is, heres your ticket"
In reality the cop doesn't need a reason to pull any vehicvle over, (as in the vehicle has been in volved in an offence). The cop shouldn't make up reasons, he should just say I pulled you over to check your licence, vehicle reg, WOF, etc.

Personally I'd like to see the day come that cops aren't writing tickets because of drivers obeying the rules. I don't have a high ticket count, never have, but I put through a lot of arrests on other matters and I always have a fairly heavy case load. So when the boss hauls me in over poor traffic performance I just ask him to look at my general case load, my arrests, my time sheets and give him my very large pile of notebooks to have a browse through. I explain that I target traffic when I have my own case load under control and deal with any traffic offences that I witness while patrolling. So far I've never had any problems with this approach and haven't yet had to smash out anyones tail lights.

[spudchucka]

this is just hear say but aparently your only allowed to around a round about 7 times legally??? is it true spudchucka????
How the hell would I know?:gob:

[Squeak the Rat]

How the hell would I know?:gob:
Well you'd better bloody not stop me when I'm surfing the local roundabout then! :)

[lb99]

I explain that I target traffic when I have my own case load under control and deal with any traffic offences that I witness while patrolling. So far I've never had any problems with this approach and haven't yet had to smash out anyones tail lights.

are you a detective or something, it sounds like you can just choose your jobs:nya:

[scumdog]

this is just hear say but aparently your only allowed to around a round about 7 times legally??? is it true spudchucka????

Where the hell do you guys hear of shit like THAT? Sheesh!

And there's no excuse needed to pull somebody over - it's 'anywhere-anytime'

BTW Often an indication that all is not well with a car/driver IS hesitating too long before pulling out of a side-street etc when they know a cop can see them -i.e. sitting there when anybody else would have pulled out long ago.

Not a hard and fast rule but it is often the case.

[spudchucka]

are you a detective or something, it sounds like you can just choose your jobs:nya:
No, but I know how to prioritise the important stuff.

[The_Dover]

No, but I know how to prioritise the important stuff.

you go catch those speeders spud!!!

burglars, rapist and violent offenders are sooooo 2005.

[Pex Adams]

It pretty obvious that there are a few issues that must of you "Anti-Pigs" think need to be prioritised. What I can't understand is all this throwing handbags, and bitch slapping just like a Shortland St Episode.

How about asking Spud to hook you up for a night out on the beat... Trust me, what you think happens, and what happens in reality are hugely different.
Unless most of you are mentally retarded, I suggest you actually start supporting the police, and ask good guys like Spud how you can "HELP" rather than wasting his time with dumbass comments and telling everyone "what the problems are!" Are you part of the problem, or are you going to help find a solution???

Yeah, one cop made a decision. Whether it was right or wrong, he made the call! and he has to live with it. He also has to deal with the consequences from it. Bringing down the whole police organsation because of someone making a call... It's almost laughable you clowns. Atleast he's putting his nuts on the line day in, day out. To make sure my family get home safe and sound every night. What are you doing for me to make sure that happens???

Right now, your trying to make sure that that doesn't happen! Enough said.

[Jantar]

Yeah, one cop made a decision. Whether it was right or wrong, he made the call! and he has to live with it.
I would agree with almost everything you said, except for the part I've quoted. Unfortunately its the rider who has to live with it. The cop can simply get on with his job and probably will never give this incident another thouight.

[The_Dover]

Right now, your trying to make sure that that doesn't happen! Enough said.

I think you'll find when you get there that you've been burgled and some P fuelled refugee has raped your dog and eaten your cat.

[Finn]

How about asking Spud to hook you up for a night out on the beat... Trust me, what you think happens, and what happens in reality are hugely different.

Cool, with Spud being an old school cop I'll be able to help and put the boot in too.

You sound like a politician Pex. I don't trust you one bit. Nice campaign though.

[Squeak the Rat]

It pretty obvious that there are a few issues that must of you "Anti-Pigs" think need to be prioritised. What I can't understand is all this throwing handbags, and bitch slapping just like a Shortland St Episode.
..........
..........
rather than wasting his time with dumbass comments and telling everyone "what the problems are!"
Well, we consider ourselves hand-bagged and bitchslapped.

[Lou Girardin]

There's no shortage of resources at the mo'.
Some Tauranga Filthy Few guys showed up at the shop, within minutes there were 10 Police cars here.
Good to know that if we actually need them some time, they'll turn out.
But I won't hold my breath.

[The Pastor]

Were they causeing trouble?

[Lou Girardin]

Were they causeing trouble?

No. Just a bit of retail therapy. What I wasn't impressed about was customers being questioned in the shop, including a guy that wasn't involved. He just had tats.

[The_Dover]

Were they causeing trouble?

Yeah but Lou gave them the smackdown.

[The Pastor]

So why were the cops there if they wernt causing trouble?

[Pex Adams]

Cool, with Spud being an old school cop I'll be able to help and put the boot in too.

You sound like a politician Pex. I don't trust you one bit. Nice campaign though.

Thanks Finn, I guess:spudwhat:

[spudchucka]

So why were the cops there if they wernt causing trouble?
Because the Filty Few are low life criminal scum, (as are other gangs) no matter where they are what they are doing.

[The Pastor]

Because the Filty Few are low life criminal scum, (as are other gangs) no matter where they are what they are doing.

My dad isn't THAT bad....

[The_Dover]

Because the Filty Few are low life criminal scum, (as are other gangs) no matter where they are what they are doing.

I thought he was referring to Kiwifruit, Saul et al.

[Indoo]

So why were the cops there if they wernt causing trouble?

Its a sad day indeed and a terrible attack on our civil liberties when cops start taking an interest in and even dare interfere with organised criminal groups.

Dunno why they can't just leave gangs alone, its not like they do anything wrong or anything?

[Finn]

Because the Filty Few are low life criminal scum, (as are other gangs) no matter where they are what they are doing.

What, even on Mothers Day?

[marty]

My dad isn't THAT bad....

fuck you're a tryhard poseur.

[Lou Girardin]

Yeah but Lou gave them the smackdown.

Yeah, they were quaking in fear. The Few were even more scared.

[spudchucka]

What, even on Mothers Day?
Yes, those losers too.

[Virago]

My dad isn't THAT bad....
Okay - so you have met him then?

[scumdog]

No. Just a bit of retail therapy. What I wasn't impressed about was customers being questioned in the shop, including a guy that wasn't involved. He just had tats.

Hopefully you dashed over and told them the guy with tats was o.k?

Or did you just stand there steaming inwardly and cursing the cops for not knowing?

[Lou Girardin]

Hopefully you dashed over and told them the guy with tats was o.k?

Or did you just stand there steaming inwardly and cursing the cops for not knowing?

I couldn't at first, I was watching the ones hanging around the stock. By the time they moved the cop had finished.

[Ixion]

Because the Filty Few are low life criminal scum, (as are other gangs) no matter where they are what they are doing.

Especially that Ulysses gang. Real trouble makers, them. Seen some of them hanging around AMPs too. Watch out for them Mr Giradin, if y'see any of them , call the cops, fast. Those big GoldWings and Harleys they ride, they could have a whole clan lab in the saddlebags. Each!

[spudchucka]

Especially that Ulysses gang. Real trouble makers, them. Seen some of them hanging around AMPs too. Watch out for them Mr Giradin, if y'see any of them , call the cops, fast. Those big GoldWings and Harleys they ride, they could have a whole clan lab in the saddlebags. Each!
You a member? Got ya patch or are ya still prospecting?

[Ixion]

Nah, they wouldn't let me in I reckon. Too old, and too disgraceful.

[inlinefour]

Good man - although I still don't understand why you are directing your anger towards the front line officers, suggesting that they "grow some balls", and change the system from within.

The parallels with your own line of work are quite notable, with the problems of the public perception of the mental health system being well known.

The public health system as a whole, works within an ever thinly-stretched financial budget, and the patients are simply "re-prioritised" to suit the budget available. The surgical waiting lists get long and longer - the solution - reprioritise and remove people from the list - problem solved!

The mental health system is no different, with the number of psychiatric beds adjusted to suit a budget, and the patients "re-classified" to suit the facilities available.

The result - many mentally ill people, without the necessary life skills to care for themselves, simply dumped in the community, with little or no support.

And who ends up dealing with these people, when their social inadequacies become a problem? - The Police.

But hey - that's not your fault. You don't set the financial goals, and adjust your services to suit. You simply get on with your job, which is to provide the best level of care that you can.

I have a great deal of respect for those who work with the mentally ill, while having concern about the faceless bureauocracy that decides on the level of service provided.

I also have respect for front-line police officers - so should you.

Although I might not know it all about the N.Z. Police you show us that you know less about the MHS...
Thats OK, carry on.:whocares:

[Patrick]

Two vehicle's collide someone is in the wrong.
Police need to investigate the scene and determine what happened.
Not take the easy way out, do your fucken job and stop giving tickets to fill your quoter.

Umm... when a crash is investigated, someone "usually" is at fault and they get a ticket... ummm... that IS doing the job... WTF???

[Patrick]

Admitting to the problem is half of it, doing something is the other half. I was dumb founded when I read that the Police are making some sort of pubic forum for everyone to have their say. However I then read further and it was made to sound that all they really wanted to know was what to name the Police in future?

That was "one" question...to get the ball rolling... starting off with the easy ones..

[Patrick]

I would still have charged him with careless,
A/ So that it gets to court.
B/ So that he can't say he did stop and give way.

Its actually careless causing injury... definite loss of licence time...

[Patrick]

Yeah, one cop made a decision. Whether it was right or wrong, he made the call! and he has to live with it. He also has to deal with the consequences from it.

Jantar is right... it is a bad call and the biker suffers and lives with it, if he wants to.... Just need to moan to this cops sepervisor for the decision to be reviewed...

[Lou Girardin]

Its actually careless causing injury... definite loss of licence time...

In my day it wouldn't have been. Is simple observation in hospital enough for careless - injury?

[scumdog]

In my day it wouldn't have been. Is simple observation in hospital enough for careless - injury?
Gotta be an injury that's not 'trifling' - but the bosses are pretty clear they want ALL injury crashes reported as that - regardless of outcome prosecution-wise.

[Patrick]

In my day it wouldn't have been. Is simple observation in hospital enough for careless - injury?

Times have changed... anything that causes an injury, more than mere bumps or minor discomfort (in this case "severe bruising" and a trip to the hospital is sufficient...) will result in careless injury.

[Lou Girardin]

Times have changed... anything that causes an injury, more than mere bumps or minor discomfort (in this case "severe bruising" and a trip to the hospital is sufficient...) will result in careless injury.

So our chummy wants to take no action on a careless-injury. I wonder what his boss will think of that.

[scumdog]

So our chummy wants to take no action on a careless-injury. I wonder what his boss will think of that.

Why 'wonder'
Find out and tell us.:yes:

[Lou Girardin]

Why 'wonder'
Find out and tell us.:yes:

That's the frustrating part, I can't do anything. It has to come from the victim.

[Lou Girardin]

Oh woe is me. I got grey repped by proud2banzer.:weep: All 8 posts and 6 days membership of him.:killingme :killingme Life is just not worth living.
I'm dreading when he's been on here long enough to give out reds.

BTW Sonny, read the context of a thread first. Context means what it's about.

[Lou Girardin]

I feel much better now. Got a greenie from the boys in blue.

[Skyryder]

Oh woe is me. I got grey repped by proud2banzer.:weep: All 8 posts and 6 days membership of him.:killingme :killingme Life is just not worth living.
I'm dreading when he's been on here long enough to give out reds.


Had a couple of them myself a while back. Couldn't figure what they were. Now I know. Learner KBer's:scooter: . They should be limited to single sentances and one post a night. :yeah:


Skyryder

[Jamezo]

At the moment all I have to say is "I FUCKIN' HEAR YA!"

I'm in the process of getting shafted because I was sideswiped by a car.

I tells ya, finding the objective truth of an incident does not come in to modern traffic policing, rather a desperate search to try and prosecute someone for something. And heaven help you if you are a motorcyclist, and/or a young person.

RAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWRRRRRRR!

[Squeak the Rat]

Well it was from someone who made the introductory comment about having lurked for a while and worked out who the cop-hater are on the site.

Maybe I sometimes see humour here others don't but I thought the thread title was very funny given the ever present threads about the copas. And I'm sure it was meant with some humour.

But I guess it was like a red flag to a bull. A less tolerant person would have red repped back :rofl: A note to newbies, you can't see who repped you, but that doesn't mean its a vice versa situation (i wish I knew that back then).

[Lou Girardin]

Proud2banzer thinks I have just red repped him. Something I have never done. I prefer to tell people in public what I think of them.
So here's my reply to him;
"It wasn't me sunshine. I've never red repped anyone in all my years on this site.
In your verdant keenness to defend people who don't need defending, you are wholly ignorant of my relationship with some Police members of this site. Do you really think that Scumdog Spud etc and I hate each other?
It is a shame that some new members to this site don't take the advice old hands give to newcomers in an organisation. "You have two ears, one mouth. Use your mouth half as much".

[The_Dover]

Not to be too much of pedant Lou.

But wouldn't his eyes perform better on KB than his ears?

[Lou Girardin]

Not to be too much of pedant Lou.

But wouldn't his eyes perform better on KB than his ears?

Yeah I Know. But two eyes and ten fingers hasn't got the same ring to it. Even if he only uses 5.
BTW He's grey repped me again. It's like being savaged by a Bichon Frise.

[Squeak the Rat]

I hope he isn't a detective otherwise we're screwed. :rofl:

Proud2banzer - you might be the big man when you are in uniform and asserting your authority but your just another member of the community here. Chill out mate, don't take it too seriously.

[spudchucka]

Do you really think that Scumdog Spud etc and I hate each other?

I even invited you over for a cup of tea once but you haven't taken me up on it yet, does that mean you don't luff me?

[Lou Girardin]

Now spud, I know you're hurt. But my Mum warned me about men offering cups of tea.
Have you met my friend Finn yet? He's not so fussy.

[spudchucka]

Now spud, I know you're hurt. But my Mum warned me about men offering cups of tea.
Have you met my friend Finn yet? He's not so fussy.

Finn is welcome to come over any time, if I know he's coming over I'll make sure to leave the dogs bowl out for him, (can't guarantee its contents though).

[Lou Girardin]

We'll have to stop now Spud. Our new friend 'proudtomakeassumptions' may start to think he's wrong. It'll kill his self-esteem.
Shall I hurl a few insults at you now or do you want to go first?

[Ixion]

,,
BTW He's grey repped me again. It's like being savaged by a Bichon Frise.

Goodness me, I've got one now. For mentioning Trentham, apparently!

I wonder if Mr SaSlex will red rep me if I mention Greenwich.

[Lou Girardin]

Can someone immobilise chummy's rep button till he works out how to use it?
Say, about 3 years.

[Patrick]

Perhaps he is the lazy arse who wrote off the carelss causing injury...:gob:

Unsure how peoples "opinion" that he could have avoided the collision / panicked / had room to go around... whatever... is acceptable evidence for the apparent poor decision... unless they are "expert" bike riders etc...

[spudchucka]

We'll have to stop now Spud. Our new friend 'proudtomakeassumptions' may start to think he's wrong. It'll kill his self-esteem.
Shall I hurl a few insults at you now or do you want to go first?

Thanks but you might as well go for it first, I've used up my insult quota this week in another thread and I wouldn't like to be the first to get a red card.

[Unforgiven]

That doesnt seem right:shit: A laws a law, and the driver broke it!
Its things like that that make people not trust police:nono:

[Lou Girardin]

Thanks but you might as well go for it first, I've used up my insult quota this week in another thread and I wouldn't like to be the first to get a red card.

I can't think of anything either. I'll wait till I get my next ticket, it must be due in two or three years.

[spudchucka]

I can't think of anything either. I'll wait till I get my next ticket, it must be due in two or three years.

Do you want me to send you one in the post to help you get going again? I need to get my quota up too!

[98tls]

"You have two ears, one mouth. Use your mouth half as much". Chances are when your mouth is open your not learning anything....:Punk:

[Swoop]

I couldn't at first, I was watching the ones hanging around the stock.

Yeah... gotta watch them like hawks. It's amazing what can fit under a policemans hat...:shit:

:done:

[Lou Girardin]

Do you want me to send you one in the post to help you get going again? I need to get my quota up too!

OK, just write it so that I can get off.

[marty]

OK, just write it so that I can get off.

what, like:

"lou was peeping through the hole in the wall, stroking his hardness in a rythmic, up and down action, he hadn't seen something so beautiful in so long - the long legs, curved arse, ample breast.......'

[Lou Girardin]

what, like:

"lou was peeping through the hole in the wall, stroking his hardness in a rythmic, up and down action, he hadn't seen something so beautiful in so long - the long legs, curved arse, ample breast.......'

That'll do. You can leave out the obvious bits though. I'll be aware of them.
You're actually quite good at that, do you raise your voice an octave or two for the night job?

[The_Dover]

why, was lou perving at spudchucka?

[Lou Girardin]

why, was lou perving at spudchucka?

Only if he had long legs, curved arse and ample breasts. (and was a chick. spud with a cut 'n tuck is too horrible to contemplate)

[Macktheknife]

Yeah I Know. But two eyes and ten fingers hasn't got the same ring to it. Even if he only uses 5.
BTW He's grey repped me again. It's like being savaged by a Bichon Frise.

ROFLMAO lol thats brilliant Lou, bling awarded.

[Ixion]

Grey rep does nothing. It's rep from someone so new that they don't have any rep themselves.

[Finn]

Finn is welcome to come over any time, if I know he's coming over I'll make sure to leave the dogs bowl out for him, (can't guarantee its contents though).

Thanks Spud. My favourites are; bacon bones, pork chops & pig trotters. I even like the crackling so don't throw it away. Just be kind and leave a bowl of water out and I'll try hard to not crap on your door step.

[spudchucka]

Thanks Spud. My favourites are; bacon bones, pork chops & pig trotters. I even like the crackling so don't throw it away. Just be kind and leave a bowl of water out and I'll try hard to not crap on your door step.

If you do I'll rub your filthy fucken nose in it.

[Finn]

If you do I'll rub your filthy fucken nose in it.

Spud, I'm a pedigree and come from a pure bloodline of champions. I'm professionally groomed and don't have a filthy nose. Besides, training a dog is a lot like working on children with Autism. You need to use positive reinforcement. Rubbing their nose in their own excrement will not stop them shitting on your doorstep again. Having said that, mongrel dogs that have been in abusive environments are very difficult to train and sometimes it's better to put them down as they will always cause you problems.

[Lou Girardin]

I got grey repped the other day. When i asked the guy why he realised he had read my post wrong.

What does it do anyway? minus a green?

Chummy grey-repped a cop? And he calls ME a cop hater.:gob:
I don't think he knows what the rep system means.:tugger:

[spudchucka]

Spud, I'm a pedigree and come from a pure bloodline of champions. I'm professionally groomed and don't have a filthy nose. Besides, training a dog is a lot like working on children with Autism. You need to use positive reinforcement. Rubbing their nose in their own excrement will not stop them shitting on your doorstep again. Having said that, mongrel dogs that have been in abusive environments are very difficult to train and sometimes it's better to put them down as they will always cause you problems.

I wouldn't ever rub a dogs nose in it's own shit, but semi human, racist, popularity seeking ego-maniacs are another matter.

[Finn]

I wouldn't ever rub a dogs nose in it's own shit, but semi human, racist, popularity seeking ego-maniacs are another matter.

You forgot short, bald, ugly, fat and stupid Spud. You're not in form today. Did you eat some stale dougnuts or something?

[The_Dover]

FINN,

half human, half ostrich egg.

Hater of all things non white.

What a terrible excuse for a human being hybrid.....

[Finn]

FINN,

half human, half ostrich egg.

Hater of all things non white.

What a terrible excuse for a human being hybrid.....

Many years ago, while living in Stockholm, I had a Jamaican / Swedish girlfriend. She was very black and very sexy. She used to call me Ostrich when she was being cute and White Devil when she was upset. She was so hot that she made me suffer from PE. Back in those days, Helen Clark wasn't around so I had to think of Margaret Thatcher. It afforded me an extra 5 minutes.

[spudchucka]

You forgot short, bald, ugly, fat and stupid.......
Sounds like WINJA, he's not your twin is he?

[Ixion]

Oh, oh , oh. Mr WINJA, he called you bald! :gob: . You're not gonna stand for THAT are you ?

:corn: :corn:

[The_Dover]

Many years ago, while living in Stockholm, I had a Jamaican / Swedish girlfriend. She was very black and very sexy.

was she your housemaid?

[Patrick]

Oh, oh , oh. Mr WINJA, he called you bald! :gob: . You're not gonna stand for THAT are you ?

:corn: :corn:

you called him "Mr" - Tisk tisk tisk...

[spudchucka]

Oh, oh , oh. Mr WINJA, he called you bald! :gob: . You're not gonna stand for THAT are you ?

:corn: :corn:

It was the "stupid", "ugly" & "fat" bit that made me think of my dear friend WINJA but I didn't call him that, I just asked Finn if they were siblings because they sound like they festered in the same shallow gene pool.

[Ixion]

It was the "stupid", "ugly" & "fat" bit that made me think of my dear friend WINJA but I didn't call him that, I just asked Finn if they were siblings because they sound like they festered in the same shallow gene pool.

Oh well, that's different. I can't see Mr WINJA objecting to "stupid", "ugly" & "fat". :devil2: "Bald" would be a whole other story .

Ticket sales, line to the left guys. I expect to make a pile out of this

:corn: :corn: get your :corn: here.

[Finn]

Moderators are not supposed to stir up wars, but I like the way you think.

[Finn]

was she your housemaid?

Yip, and my nurse, school girl, school boy :o , nun, police woman and she even did the slave thing. I remember after the slave episode, I asked her to marry me. She laughed.

[WINJA]

Sounds like WINJA, he's not your twin is he?

FUCK UP PIG , IM THE MOST HANDSOMEST MAN ON THE PLANET

[Proud2BANZER]

Goodness me, I've got one now. For mentioning Trentham, apparently!

I wonder if Mr SaSlex will red rep me if I mention Greenwich.



it was not a red rep was it ? In fact why don,t you cut and paste what I put up, hardly bad was it ?, Only asked what you were on about !

Luke

[Proud2BANZER]

I got grey repped the other day. When i asked the guy why he realised he had read my post wrong.

What does it do anyway? minus a green?



again you guys chose to say what you like, was not red rep,



Luke

[ManDownUnder]

FUCK UP PIG , IM THE MOST HANDSOMEST MAN ON THE PLANET

And as subtle as a train smash... how can you not respect that in a guy?

[Lou Girardin]

To save misunderstandings until you've been here long enough to throw coloured rep Proud2 etc, why don't you confine your comments to the public threads?

[Lou Girardin]

Back to bashing cops, I've just read of a truckie having dangerous driving charges dismissed. He was on SH2 the 'killer highway' when his trailer unit rolled on a corner and hit an on-coming car, killing the driver.
An investigation showed that a trailer tyre had blown and that one of the spring leaves had snapped just prior to the accident. But, because he had stated he'd taken a 75km/h corner at between 76 and 80 km/h, he was charged.
So we have drivers causing injury not charged and innocent drivers being charged.
I wonder if, one day, could we get some bloody consistancy from the Police?

[Squeak the Rat]

Back to bashing cops, I've just read of a truckie having dangerous driving charges dismissed. He was on SH2 the 'killer highway' when his trailer unit rolled on a corner and hit an on-coming car, killing the driver.
An investigation showed that a trailer tyre had blown and that one of the spring leaves had snapped just prior to the accident. But, because he had stated he'd taken a 75km/h corner at between 76 and 80 km/h, he was charged.
So we have drivers causing injury not charged and innocent drivers being charged.
I wonder if, one day, could we get some bloody consistancy from the Police?
Glad he got let off..... Has your workmate taken this any further or is it a lost cause? (hope he's recovering well)

[Lou Girardin]

Glad he got let off..... Has your workmate taken this any further or is it a lost cause? (hope he's recovering well)

The insurance co is following it up, but I doubt if they'll be as diligent as he would be.
He's badly bruised and hobbling around, but otherwise OK.

[Patrick]

Yeah... better to bitch and moan instead of doing anything about it ay?

[Lou Girardin]

Yeah... better to bitch and moan instead of doing anything about it ay?

Not everyone can be bothered. Apathy is our national sport. It's probably just as well or you guys would spend your lives in court.

[Indiana_Jones]

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Fuck tha Po-lice!

-Indy

-Indy

[scumdog]

Not everyone can be bothered. Apathy is our national sport. It's probably just as well or you guys would spend your lives in court.


Who cares, the pay is the same whether we are in court or not and we wouldn't have to deal with golf-club wielding p-addicts and other assorted nasty trash of society.

[inlinefour]

Who cares, the pay is the same whether we are in court or not and we wouldn't have to deal with golf-club wielding p-addicts and other assorted nasty trash of society.

I had an incident up north with a couple of these sorts of individual. Had to talk them down until the Police arrived and took over. I deal with a fair bit of shit in my line of work, but nothing compared to what the Police get to sort out...

[spudchucka]

Apathy is our national sport.

Don't forget whinging, its the Yin to Apathy's Yang.

[spudchucka]

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-Indy

That guy appears to have an anger problem, he probably just needs a hug.

[scumdog]

He's just upset cause his headlights are too big.

Nah, he's after the 250 riding cheese-dick that stole his helmet.