UK threat level raised to critical

[jimbo600]

In the news http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/default.asp?id=64770

Now I'm getting a bit sick of these fuckin' mukmuks fucking things up for everyone. If they have a beef with troops in their country take it out on them (and hopefully get gunned up in the process). Don't be a cowardlypack of fuckers and blow up planes.

[Swoop]

The french have also raised theirs, to "Capitulate"...

[madboy]

That's the problem though, the ragheads can't afford the firepower necessary to go one on one with the big boys, so instead they blow up the big boys wife and little kids.

[degrom]

That's the problem though, the ragheads can't afford the firepower necessary to go one on one with the big boys, so instead they blow up the big boys wife and little kids.

Very true!!!

If you want revenge but don't have guns or an army,what will you do?

I bet you won't figth by the rules!!!

[SuperDave]

Yeah and all those causing trouble with Israel now are nothing like these characters...yeah right.

[degrom]

In the news http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/default.asp?id=64770

Now I'm getting a bit sick of these fuckin' mukmuks fucking things up for everyone. If they have a beef with troops in their country take it out on them (and hopefully get gunned up in the process). Don't be a cowardlypack of fuckers and blow up planes.

I think the stronger countries has been taking advantage of their on weight.
It's time for the smaller countries to show their power...

And what is the best way for a small country to show it?!?

By making the stronger counties tremble in their boots.. Even if it destroys the small country to...

All is fair in love and war... You always get what is coming to you!!!

Good luck USA,UK,AUZ!!!

[degrom]

I think the stronger countries has been taking advantage of their on weight.
It's time for the smaller countries to show their power...

And what is the best way for a small country to show it?!?

By making the stronger counties tremble in their boots.. Even if it destroys the small country to...

All is fair in love and war... You always get what is coming to you!!!

Good luck USA,UK,AUZ!!!

Hard words, but I must agree... Things are happening and it's only going to get worse before it gets better!!!

[degrom]

The french have also raised theirs, to "Capitulate"...

Is that what they call it? LOL

Better save than sorry!!!

[Swoop]

Better save than sorry!!!
They had better go to their bank then.

[Lou Girardin]

What a co-incidence. Blair's facing an election soon and his approval ratings are in the toilet.
Hmmmm, what should he do?

[Squeak the Rat]

I don't blame all Muslims for what's happening.

But apply insurance company logic: 100% of all terrorists trying to blow up planes in the last 10 years have been muslims.

Therefore muslims shopuld pay more for their flights to cover the extra security, plus also go through the "Muslim" line at the airport.

It works for young drivers and male drivers so why not? As soon as a christian or an atheist scandanavian tries to blow up a plane then we can reconsider.


PS - commonwealth bank made $5billion profit.

[Krayy]

What I find damn stupid is that according to the new regime, you can't even take a book with you or crayons and a colouring book for the kids. Now the fact that certain airlines (yes, I'm looking at you Air NZ) only show 1 frickin movie per long haul and the rest of the "entertainment" is 5 year old episodes of Frasier, how will they stop people from going stir crazy. All airlines better upgrade to personal video and Nintendo in cattle class before I'd fly the thing that far.

Next stop will be padlocked seat belts and you'll need to buzz a stewie to let you loose to go to the toilet.

[McJim]

What I don't understand is all the hypocrisy.

The Yanks say "God is on our side"
The Israelis say "Jehovah" is on our side
The Islamic Terrorists say "Allah is on our side"

er.....scuse me but the Bible, The Koran and the Torah all say "Thou shalt not kill" (coz they're all the same book!)

Are we to believe none of these fuggers can actually read?

Why don't they
a) Opt for atheism so they're not hypocrits.
b) Read their rule books and stopp killing each other.

If God/Allah/Jehovah actually exists then surely these dudes will be getting themselves damned to the deepest pit for killing in the name of a deity that says "Don't kill"

You don't get many muslims going around committing adultry in the name of Allah do you?

[Swoop]

What a co-incidence. Blair's facing an election soon and his approval ratings are in the toilet.
Hmmmm, what should he do?
So you are suspecting that this is a set-up Lou? "Rent-a-Terrorist" must be doing a roaring trade whenever the politicians phone up and book them just because some election is on the horizon...

Tui moment.

[Swoop]

The Yanks say "God is on our side"
The Israelis say "Jehovah" is on our side
The Islamic Terrorists say "Allah is on our side"

Why don't they
a) Opt for atheism so they're not hypocrits.
It's all a case of who has the best imaginary friend.

[Squeak the Rat]

What I find damn stupid is that according to the new regime, you can't even take a book with you or crayons and a colouring book for the kids. Now the fact that certain airlines (yes, I'm looking at you Air NZ) only show 1 frickin movie per long haul and the rest of the "entertainment" is 5 year old episodes of Frasier, how will they stop people from going stir crazy. All airlines better upgrade to personal video and Nintendo in cattle class before I'd fly the thing that far.

Next stop will be padlocked seat belts and you'll need to buzz a stewie to let you loose to go to the toilet.
I'd be right pissed if my inflight movie thing malfunctioned [as per last flight with singapore] and I didn't have a book.

[The_Dover]

nuke the fuckin middle east. get the oil.

problem solved.

no more uppity camel jockeys and cheaper petrol.

Dover for president?

[Squeak the Rat]

You don't get many muslims going around committing adultry in the name of Allah do you?
Do muslim women yell "Oooh Allaaah, Allaaah, Alllah!" when you tickle them just right? :innocent:

[Swoop]

What I find damn stupid is that according to the new regime, you can't even take a book with you or crayons
Unfortunately crayons would be a perfect disguise for C4 plastique explosive.

[jonbuoy]

nuke the fuckin middle east. get the oil.

problem solved.

no more uppity camel jockeys and cheaper petrol.

Dover for president?

You just got my vote.

[jonbuoy]

I think the stronger countries has been taking advantage of their on weight.
It's time for the smaller countries to show their power...

And what is the best way for a small country to show it?!?

By making the stronger counties tremble in their boots.. Even if it destroys the small country to...

All is fair in love and war... You always get what is coming to you!!!

Good luck USA,UK,AUZ!!!

Thanks - but were not exactly trembling in our boots you little cock fag.

[Finn]

What I don't understand is all the hypocrisy.

The Yanks say "God is on our side"
The Israelis say "Jehovah" is on our side
The Islamic Terrorists say "Allah is on our side"

er.....scuse me but the Bible, The Koran and the Torah all say "Thou shalt not kill" (coz they're all the same book!)

The Bible also says Thou shall not stick thy willy into thy little boys bottom but it hasn't stopped the masses.

Big McJim, it's easy. Religion = hypocrisy. Religion was born from power and money. Nothing has changed. The "god" was made up as a decoy.

And by the title of this thread, I thought the UK had run outta beer.

[mattp]

By making the stronger counties tremble in their boots.. Even if it destroys the small country to...
All is fair in love and war... You always get what is coming to you!!!
Good luck USA,UK,AUZ!!!

This does make me (living in London) laugh :nya: You must lack a lot of knowledge of whats going on around the world as in London we get on with things and don't give a flying F00K what some mad wankers think! :nya:

[Krayy]

I'd be right pissed if my inflight movie thing malfunctioned [as per last flight with singapore] and I didn't have a book.
Here's a good one. A few months ago, we went to Raro for a family holiday (highly recommmended as a destination too). We got to the airport for a 7am flight, boarded and then the fog came down. We were on the tarmac at the gate for 3 hours and during that time we:

a) had no air con as the engines weren't turning
b) did convince the stewies to open the front door only for ventilation but they would not open the rear
c) convinced the stewies to run a movie 90 minutes in (there was only that music video they show with the bubbling brook up till then) which finished before we took off
d) were served a bread roll with jam and water only as they couldnt open the bar or serve hot drinks until they were airborne

The kicker is that after we got ariborne for the 5 hour flight, they had alrewady shown the 1 movie the were allowed to, so they showed a few comedy shows and that was pretty much it.

Dumbasses didn't have a second movie?? What's with that?

[Finn]

Dover for president?

You even look the part...

[The_Dover]

And by the title of this thread, I thought the UK had run outta beer.

Their supplies have been abundant for the last 4.5 years.

Funny that.

[Hitcher]

That's the problem though, the ragheads can't afford the firepower necessary to go one on one with the big boys, so instead they blow up the big boys wife and little kids.
I think you're missing the point. This isn't about the good old-fashioned days of countries going toe-to-toe over territory or points of principle. Those geo-political conflicts are soooo last millenium. This is largely about a bunch of folk from wherever rallying around a cause. What is that "cause"? That too is hard to tell, because we look at our world from the comfort of a (comparatively) affluent, western middle-class perspective and wonder why, because we "have it all" other people on this planet don't aspire to our lifestyles and beliefs. But I suspect that there is a significant bunch of folk out there who are a bit pissed off with western countries and businesses meddling in their affairs, telling them what to think and what to "want". They just want us to fuck off and leave them alone but struggle to make themselves heard through the channels we traditionally listen to, so they are looking for innovative ways to get our attention. I have a measure of sympathy for them and their views.

This is why invading Afganistan and Iraq, or bombing the bejeezus out of Lebanon is futile. It may be what western voters in large "democracies" want but it isn't going to solve the "problem".

[jimbo600]

I think you're missing the point. This isn't about the good old-fashioned days of countries going toe-to-toe over territory or points of principle. Those geo-political conflicts are soooo last millenium. This is largely about a bunch of folk from wherever rallying around a cause. What is that "cause"? That too is hard to tell, because we look at our world from the comfort of a (comparatively) affluent, western middle-class perspective and wonder why, because we "have it all" other people on this planet don't aspire to our lifestyles and beliefs. But I suspect that there is a significant bunch of folk out there who are a bit pissed off with western countries and businesses meddling in their affairs, telling them what to think and what to "want". They just want us to fuck off and leave them alone but struggle to make themselves heard through the channels we traditionally listen to, so they are looking for innovative ways to get our attention. I have a measure of sympathy for them and their views.

This is why invading Afganistan and Iraq, or bombing the bejeezus out of Lebanon is futile. It may be what western voters in large "democracies" want but it isn't going to solve the "problem".

True they don't like Westerners meddling, however their bigger goal is to make the world an extemist form of Islam. This is why they bomb their own for using ice, as they deem ice to be unislamic for example. Even if we had nothing to do with the Middle East and Westerner had never set foot in the place, the current situation would still arise. They hate us, simple and believe that a perverted form of Allah has told them to fuck the place.

[jimbo600]

This does make me (living in London) laugh :nya: You must lack a lot of knowledge of whats going on around the world as in London we get on with things and don't give a flying F00K what some mad wankers think! :nya:

Thats cos you Laaahndaners have already dealt with 30 years of this shit with the IRA and PIRA.

[Lou Girardin]

So you are suspecting that this is a set-up Lou? "Rent-a-Terrorist" must be doing a roaring trade whenever the politicians phone up and book them just because some election is on the horizon...

Tui moment.

Not a set up. But a little exaggeration and media manipulation works wonders.
Remember the 'terrorist they shot in the tube?
Remember how the truth came out?

[Swoop]

Not a set up. But a little exaggeration and media manipulation works wonders.
Remember the 'terrorist they shot in the tube?
Remember how the truth came out?
20/20 hindsight is a nice thing. After an investigation all sorts of information comes out. At the time, the info that the police had, they used. Losing comms inside the tube station meant they were on their own - and chasing down a runner.
IF that person had of been a bomber with an explosive belt and prepared to detonate it, a quick and expeditious method would be needed, which they used.

They also provided a wealth of joke material for the English sages to use...
Brazilian anyone?

[Squeak the Rat]

Thats cos you Laaahndaners have already dealt with 30 years of this shit with the IRA and PIRA.
funded by millions of americans.... :innocent:

[Postie]

I think the stronger countries has been taking advantage of their on weight.
It's time for the smaller countries to show their power...

And what is the best way for a small country to show it?!?

By making the stronger counties tremble in their boots.. Even if it destroys the small country to...

All is fair in love and war... You always get what is coming to you!!!

Good luck USA,UK,AUZ!!!

what do you describe or perceive a strong county to be? military power, financial wealth, cultural wealth???? and what has size got to do with it? England's land mass is similar in size to NZ.

and as for all being fair in love and war is bullshit, that’s just what your girlfriend told you when she slept with your dad.
I don't see innocent people who have no influence or interest in the middle east conflict dying in a terroist attack as somthing that they deserve, just because the fuckers are too damn cowardly to fight men and women face to face. The last time a terrorist tried to fight face to face was on flight AA93, and they got their arses kicked and their attack foiled.

People like you who are uniformed, unintelligent and blindly lead into believing this shit is for the great good, are just as bad as the murdering bastards themselves.
Wait till this shit starts to affect you, wait till one day someone in your family is killed or badly injured from one of these attacks and then come back with your thoughts and let us know how you feel, untill then, you have no place here.

[Squeak the Rat]

Wait till this shit starts to affect you, wait till one day someone in your family is killed or badly injured from one of these attacks and then come back with your thoughts and let us know how you feel, untill then, you have no place here.
What if his family was among the innocents killed in Iraq or Lebanon?


It is very interesting to spend some time in a middle eastern country and observe how different their culture is, and how much they are affected and upset by other nations foreign policies.

Even relatively simple things build up like truck drivers in Jordan being forced out of work due to embargos on Iraq.

You say "their" methods are inexcusable. They say "our" methods are inexcusable. A classic deadlock that will continue until one or both "sides" show some understanding........ Get used to it.....

[terbang]

I bet you won't figth by the rules!!!
War has rules..?

[Grahameeboy]

What I don't understand is all the hypocrisy.

The Yanks say "God is on our side"
The Israelis say "Jehovah" is on our side
The Islamic Terrorists say "Allah is on our side"

er.....scuse me but the Bible, The Koran and the Torah all say "Thou shalt not kill" (coz they're all the same book!)

If God/Allah/Jehovah actually exists then surely these dudes will be getting themselves damned to the deepest pit for killing in the name of a deity that says "Don't kill"



Bottom line is that these guys are not authentic in their believes or think they can repent later but when time comes they will need to answer...that is what being a Christian is about......okay we were all born sinners, we still sin at times but what is happening 'in the name of God' is beyond normal human sin.

[The_Dover]

How the fuck can you be born a sinner?

Fucking religious bullshit.

[Squeak the Rat]

How the fuck can you be born a sinner?
When you're born you penetrate your mother :sick: That's a sin. Unless it's a daughter with a strapon. And it's captured on DVD.

[Lou Girardin]

Wait till this shit starts to affect you, wait till one day someone in your family is killed or badly injured from one of these attacks and then come back with your thoughts and let us know how you feel, untill then, you have no place here.


Maybe that's what's caused the current situation. Maybe it was the 500,000 million children dead as a result of the embargoes placed on Iraq from 1991 till 2003.
If my child was one of them, I'd do whatever I could to make those responsible pay.

[Lou Girardin]

Bottom line is that these guys are not authentic in their believes or think they can repent later but when time comes they will need to answer...that is what being a Christian is about......okay we were all born sinners, we still sin at times but what is happening 'in the name of God' is beyond normal human sin.

How the hell do you know what they believe. They could have stronger faith than you.
Judge not, lest ye be judged.

[Postie]

What if his family was among the innocents killed in Iraq or Lebanon?



Lebanon has fuck all to do with the UK, and if it did, the lastest planned attacks could have nothing to do with Lebanon as it would have been planned months and months ago before Israel and Lebanon flared up.
And if his family were killed in Iraq, chances are that they were killed by Iraq's anyway, not people trying to get on an plane.

Most of the arrested were so called British Citizens of Pakistani origin. So what do they think they will achieve other then worsen the racial attacks from white Britons on Pakistani's and their homes in the UK and probably the US, Australia and NZ. After all is said and done, whats the point?

If all they want if for the British and American troops to leave, then I think they should leave. Then send every foreign middle eastern back to their home land and deny them access to the UK and any other Western country.
You stay in your yard, we'll stay in ours. Oh but wait, most of them want to leave their home land to get a better life in the US and Europe, once they get it, all they want to do is destroy it.

[Postie]

Maybe that's what's caused the current situation. Maybe it was the 500,000 million children dead as a result of the embargoes placed on Iraq from 1991 till 2003.
If my child was one of them, I'd do whatever I could to make those responsible pay.

so those responsible are the ones getting on a flight to go on holiday or to a wedding or trying to get home????

or are they the ones working in an office when a 747 fly's into it, or are they the firemen and police men who went into a burning, collapsing building??

[chickenfunkstar]

What I find damn stupid is that according to the new regime, you can't even take a book with you or crayons and a colouring book for the kids. Now the fact that certain airlines (yes, I'm looking at you Air NZ) only show 1 frickin movie per long haul and the rest of the "entertainment" is 5 year old episodes of Frasier, how will they stop people from going stir crazy. All airlines better upgrade to personal video and Nintendo in cattle class before I'd fly the thing that far.

Next stop will be padlocked seat belts and you'll need to buzz a stewie to let you loose to go to the toilet.

Not sure if you're talking generally or in specfic, but i've recently been to the UK and the airline which I flew with (Emirates) had personal video screens for everyone. I think there was around 500 channels, it really makes the flight seem much shorter.

[Street Gerbil]

What I don't understand is all the hypocrisy.

The Yanks say "God is on our side"
The Israelis say "Jehovah" is on our side
The Islamic Terrorists say "Allah is on our side"

er.....scuse me but the Bible, The Koran and the Torah all say "Thou shalt not kill" (coz they're all the same book!)

I am really sorry to say that BMJ, but I am afraid that your post shows certain lack of knowledge. I am posting from the office so I cannot go into the details, but TANA"CH, New Testament, and Quran are about as different as it gets. All three books are available online in English (I'll lookup the links and post them later) so you can compare and judge for yourself.

A more accurate version would be:
The Yanks say "In God we trust, others shall pay in cash."
The Israelis say "G-d is our Lord, please leave us alone"
The Islamic Terrorists say "Allah is great, convert or die"

[Grahameeboy]

How the fuck can you be born a sinner?

Fucking religious bullshit.

Read the Bible..................I know it sounds ??.

[The_Dover]

How about this?

We deport anyone of middle eastern origin or from a muslim country back to their homeland.

Once there they can get all pissy at their brethren who fucked the west of thus denying those who choose to respect the west and to live there the chance.

If westerners are not allowed a choice in whether they are involved in the conflict or not, directly or indirectly, then don't give their people the option to live in the west.

I'm no racist but if they got a bit of a hard time from their own for being denied the freedom of choice then maybe they would wind their necks in a bit?

As postie said, my house your house. Stay the fuck out.

Then we can reclaim some of the ever increasing ghettos in the heart of many British cities.

Oh, and Mt Albert.

[Finn]

How the fuck can you be born a sinner?

Fucking religious bullshit.

Yeah, it took me until the age of 3 before I became a sinner. I played with my willy.

[Grahameeboy]

Yeah, it took me until the age of 3 before I became a sinner. I played with my willy.

Now I could answer that...................

[jazbug5]

What if his family was among the innocents killed in Iraq or Lebanon..?


Squeak the Rat

Lebanon has fuck all to do with the UK...

Funnily enough, one of my closest friends, who I refer to as my brother, went there from America in June. I can't get hold of him.
I think he may have stayed to try and help out (like he did after what happened at the World Trade Centre). He is Scottish, originally, if that makes any sort of difference. Can't find out what happened to him at the moment.

The world is not as small these days, you know.

[The_Dover]

Read the Bible..................I know it sounds ??.

Stick your bible up your arse. I have read it and it is mostly dross. I'd rather read Mills and Boon.

I have nothing against religion or those who choose to follow it but I detest those that try and spread the word and force their shit on others. Stopping people in the street to try and convert them, knocking on peoples doors and intruding into their lives. We all know where the fucking church is and if we were interested we'd be there on sunday.

Especially this sin shit. I was not born a sinner and I do not feel the need to live by others ideals.

Most religious zealots are fucking hypocrites who claim to have seen the light but it's just a bullshit conscience kicking in for all the shit they have done to others.

[Finn]

Now I could answer that...................

Well at least I wasn't playing with other boys willies. That's a one way ticket to hell as I understand it.

[chickenfunkstar]

I don't blame all Muslims for what's happening.

But apply insurance company logic: 100% of all terrorists trying to blow up planes in the last 10 years have been muslims.

Therefore muslims shopuld pay more for their flights to cover the extra security, plus also go through the "Muslim" line at the airport.

It works for young drivers and male drivers so why not? As soon as a christian or an atheist scandanavian tries to blow up a plane then we can reconsider.


PS - commonwealth bank made $5billion profit.


Sort of like how most child molesters are men so now men aren't allowed to sit next to unaccompanied children on planes?

[Squeak the Rat]

Sort of, but how many children have ever been molested on aeroplanes?

That one is based on paranoia. Muslim fundamentalists really do try to blow up planes.

[Swoop]

It's a bit two-faced, terrorists trying to blow up aircraft.
How are terrorists going to get to other countries to attack them in future - walk?



Swim?

:doobey:

[Lou Girardin]

so those responsible are the ones getting on a flight to go on holiday or to a wedding or trying to get home????

or are they the ones working in an office when a 747 fly's into it, or are they the firemen and police men who went into a burning, collapsing building??

Were the German civilians burnt to death in the firestorms in Cologne in 1943 responsible for the war?
Hatred is all consuming. If you can't reach those who ordered the deaths in the middle east, Bush, Blair etc, then you attack their people.

[Postie]

Were the German civilians burnt to death in the firestorms in Cologne in 1943 responsible for the war?
Hatred is all consuming. If you can't reach those who ordered the deaths in the middle east, Bush, Blair etc, then you attack their people.

Yeah I know that, but you said if your child was killed, you would want revenge on whoever was responsible. which brings me back to my point, how are the people who are travelling responsible? Remember that the plane will have English, Austrlian, American, Chinese, Japanese, New Zealanders, German, Brazilian, Spanish, French and hundreds more nationalites on board when they die. Now which one is responisble? Your logic is crap, they don't care who they kill or why.

the world wars were fights for countrys to keep their land and independence, terrorism is for oil and religion, I hardly think you can relate the two.

[Swoop]

Were the German civilians burnt to death in the firestorms in Cologne in 1943 responsible for the war?
Hatred is all consuming. If you can't reach those who ordered the deaths in the middle east, Bush, Blair etc, then you attack their people.
The firestorms from the bombing of Cologne, Dresden, Hamburg, etc were to target the war machine based in those cities. A large population base was present as well, to feed the industries with man and woman power to aid the Axis war effort. If precision laser-guided bombs were available back then, undoubtably they would have been used, but instead they had "area bombing". More like a shotgun approach, just larger.
You gotta break some eggs to make an omlette.

This approach is far different from two nations declaring war on each other, and terrorists actively targeting the innocent to make their statement.

[The_Dover]

You are all missing the point.

THEY WERE GERMAN. WHO CARES?

[jazbug5]

Your logic is crap, they don't care who they kill or why.


Frankly, everyone's logic is crap. If biology (The Selfish Gene) doesn't get us, then pragmatism (Oil & money) does. Logic is the last call on the way to hell, and the ferry only stops for about 30 seconds.

They. Us. Jaysus wept.

*putting down the bottle of gin*

[Postie]

Frankly, everyone's logic is crap. If biology (The Selfish Gene) doesn't get us, then pragmatism (Oil & money) does. Logic is the last call on the way to hell, and the ferry only stops for about 30 seconds.

They. Us. Jaysus wept.

*putting down the bottle of gin*

put down the gin and back away from the keyboard.

[oldrider]

A more accurate version would be:
The Yanks say "In God we trust, others shall pay in cash."
The Israelis say "G-d is our Lord, please leave us alone"
The Islamic Terrorists say "Allah is great, convert or die"
They all believe in one god! the same god! The same excuse! It was not my fault! God made me do it! I did it in God's name!
God is just something/someone/a fictitious power to blame for being too stupid to think and act for themselves in their "own" name.

The United States of America's Government support Israel because Zionist Jews in America control world finance and it is their support that keeps them in or out of power.
They created Israel and will continue to supply the money and arms to defend it by their control over the power and politics of the USA and it's gullible allies.
It will really come down to the survival of the fittest between the United States and Islam, the innocents just get in the way and are of no consequence.
The die was cast before the United States was ever even thought of, the forces of evil just move their headquarters to the most convenient location.
Israel is a State built on a myth but it's demise will be a reality for the whole world to suffer and we will suffer.

[The_Dover]

They all believe in one god! the same god! The same excuse! It was not my fault! God made me do it! I did it in God's name!
God is just something/someone/a fictitious power to blame for being too stupid to think and act for themselves in their "own" name.

The United States of America's Government support Israel because Zionist Jews in America control world finance and it is their support that keeps them in or out of power.
They created Israel and will continue to supply the money and arms to defend it by their control over the power and politics of the USA and it's gullible allies.
It will really come down to the survival of the fittest between the United States and Islam, the innocents just get in the way and are of no consequence.
The die was cast before the United States was ever even thought of, the forces of evil just move their headquarters to the most convenient location.
Israel is a State built on a myth but it's demise will be a reality for the whole world to suffer and we will suffer.

You should lay of the gin too John.:nya:

[jonbuoy]

Maybe that's what's caused the current situation. Maybe it was the 500,000 million children dead as a result of the embargoes placed on Iraq from 1991 till 2003.
If my child was one of them, I'd do whatever I could to make those responsible pay.

500 Million???

[The_Dover]

500 Million???

Yeah those fuckers are worse than catholics and make rabbits look like the chinese families under the one child rule.

[mstriumph]

What a co-incidence. Blair's facing an election soon and his approval ratings are in the toilet.
Hmmmm, what should he do?

you think he's the mastermind behind the would-be-plane-blower-uppers??

[mstriumph]

nuke the fuckin middle east. get the oil.

problem solved.

no more uppity camel jockeys and cheaper petrol.

Dover for president?

how can u become more of a legend than u already are? :rockon:

[mstriumph]

How the fuck can you be born a sinner?

Fucking religious bullshit.

MARVELLOUS!!

*:eek5: - am AGREEING with him again ........ time to up the medication methinks.*

[Hitcher]

Please make a Moderator's life easy by taking the religious ravings to the thread of the same name and get this thread back on track. Thank you.

[Lou Girardin]

500 Million???

Well done, you spotted the deliberate mistake. Your prize is the satisfaction of winning.

It was 500,000.

[Finn]

Please make a Moderator's life easy by taking the religious ravings to the thread of the same name and get this thread back on track. Thank you.

So you don't think that the terrorists in London are linked to religion?

[scumdog]

Yeah those fuckers are worse than catholics and make rabbits look like the chinese families under the one child rule.

The constant posting of comments of this calibre by this person remind me of an annoying blow-fly hanging around a BBQ - and contributes as much too...


Of course it's a free world, say what you want. :innocent:

[The_Dover]

The constant posting of comments of this calibre by this person remind me of an annoying blow-fly hanging around a BBQ - and contributes as much too...


Of course it's a free world, say what you want. :innocent:

Fuck, you're a whiney little bitch today cumdog.

Didn't you make your quota this month? Won't they give you another donut?

Maybe you should spend less time reading shite on here and go catch some crims? Oh no, you scuttled off to some backwater to sit on your arse and piss about on the internet.

Maybe we should stop calling you a pig, cos you don't appear to do much police work.

[jimbo600]

now now lads, lets save our hatred energy for the impending mukmuk invasion.

Anger is a gift.

[scumdog]

Fuck, you're a whiney little bitch today cumdog.

Didn't you make your quota this month? Won't they give you another donut?

Maybe you should spend less time reading shite on here and go catch some crims? Oh no, you scuttled off to some backwater to sit on your arse and piss about on the internet.

Maybe we should stop calling you a pig, cos you don't appear to do much police work.

Woooweee! 3mins and 27 seconds, not bad at all, nice tanty.:nya:

[The_Dover]

Woooweee! 3mins and 27 seconds, not bad at all, nice tanty.:nya:

You call THAT a tanty?

I just have an aversion to pretentious hypocrites.

[SPman]

Losing comms inside the tube station meant they were on their own - and chasing down a runner.

But - the guy wasn't running and was oblivious of the police presence.

Like the 2 "terrorists" they arrested a month ago - broke into their flat and shot one - 'cept they fucked up again and they weren't - just happened to be students who were muslim - oops.
The average prison term for all the "terrorists, busted, arrested, etc, since 9/11, in blazes of media publicity, is just under ONE year!.
Real bad, eh? Most of the charges ended up as really minor crap.
It could well be a real plot they've busted, but I wouldn't trust the fucking authorities as far as Dover could shag them!

[mattp]

Well done, you spotted the deliberate mistake. Your prize is the satisfaction of winning.
It was 500,000.

This fault is put at the feet of the government that they had. If you look past the bullshit that is sold from the fookwit left you will see that Iraq had all the access to all the Med's that they needed.

Maybe look at all the killings their past government was doing to their own people and maybe ask someone from one of those families if they think its the fault of Bush and Blair for this.

Anyway, these only one em FUCKEM :nya:

[mattp]

It could well be a real plot they've busted, but I wouldn't trust the fucking authorities as far as Dover could shag them!

And you could do so much better :spudwhat: ?

I can not stand the wankers who sit in their safe office or home and write about how shit the authorities working in this area are. Why not get off your arse and take the training to work in this area? Or will you just sit there drinking and writing shit about how they fook things up that you would get correct :tugger:

[Lou Girardin]

This fault is put at the feet of the government that they had. If you look past the bullshit that is sold from the fookwit left you will see that Iraq had all the access to all the Med's that they needed.

Maybe look at all the killings their past government was doing to their own people and maybe ask someone from one of those families if they think its the fault of Bush and Blair for this.

Anyway, these only one em FUCKEM :nya:

Aren't we supposed to be BETTER than Saddam?
Maybe we should bomb the shit out of the Somalis, and the North Koreans.
And people who keep innocent people jailed without trial in concentration camps

[mstriumph]

And you could do so much better :spudwhat: ? ........... :tugger:

honey, on their showing to date my CAT could do better

............. and cost less to maintain :blah:

[mattp]

honey, on their showing to date my CAT could do better
............. and cost less to maintain :blah:

This is my point. Why are the people who think they could do better not trying to do the job and help lift the crap level that they have a cry about?

I am 100% behind people being able to say what they like but I ask that if you give it large then back it with action :yes:

[Hitcher]

And people who keep innocent people jailed without trial in concentration camps
Sounds like the residents of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue are in for a bit of a surprise...

[Hitcher]

If the "terrorists'" aim was to spook the west, then they have just proved that they don't actually need real bombs or to blow any shit up. Maybe Erwin Schrodinger has joined the forces of Evil & Darkness and swapped his cat for a bomb?

[jonbuoy]

Aren't we supposed to be BETTER than Saddam?
Maybe we should bomb the shit out of the Somalis, and the North Koreans.
And people who keep innocent people jailed without trial in concentration camps

Now youre talking.

[Deano]

But I suspect that there is a significant bunch of folk out there who are a bit pissed off with western countries and businesses meddling in their affairs, telling them what to think and what to "want".

I couldn't really give a flying fuck what they do in their own country, despite my own beliefs of what is a fair and just with regard to human rights.

But if they keep doing the terrorist shit, it will only be a matter of time before westerners start their own terrorising of mostly innocent muslims within our own countries.

Rightly or wrongly, if that is to be 'our cause' (defending "our rights and beliefs" without fear of being killed while travelling to other western countries or being terrorised in our own country) then who is to say we are wrong by doing so ?

Is 'righteousness' simply a matter of perspective ? Or have I had too many Heinies ?

[Hitcher]

I couldn't really give a flying fuck what they do in their own country, despite my own beliefs of what is a fair and just with regard to human rights.
But they have done it in their own country. The London underground bombings were done by English citizens. That's my point. The old adages of geo-political boundaries no longer hold. Something similar could happen here, although hopefully if it did the terrorists would come from Rotorua and we'd have a great excuse to bomb it off the face of the earth. But I guess that's too much to hope for...

[Str8 Jacket]

the terrorists would come from Rotorua and we'd have a great excuse to bomb it off the face of the earth.

I know your just *trying* to get at me... How the hell did you find out I was a terrorist?... Hmmm, although, "Oh hail Hells bin laden" has a great ring to it, dont you think?

Now bow down and worship.....

[Hitcher]

Now bow down and worship.....
So you come from Rotorua! And here's me thinking it was just some gastro-intestinal thing...

[Deano]

But they have done it in their own country. The London underground bombings were done by English citizens. That's my point.

English citizens by proxy ? Think you're stretching the definition there a bit.

[Street Gerbil]

They all believe in one god! the same god!
Look I really don't want to go too deep into theology here, but you guys just leave me no choice here. Have it ever occured to you that the G-d of sons of Abraham CANNOT be the same daity as that of Christians out of pure incompatibility. What is the central concept of Judaism? The answer is simple: MONOTHEISM. Ever heard about "SHMA YISROEL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shema_Yisrael)"?
Now please, explain, how the faith worshipping father, son, and the holy ghost can be monotheistic?


The same excuse! It was not my fault! God made me do it! I did it in God's name!
I must be overly stupid today. What the heck are you talking about?


The United States of America's Government support Israel because Zionist Jews in America control world finance and it is their support that keeps them in or out of power.
Hmmm... Believe me, you really don't want to use this particular stereotype. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocols_of_the_learned_elders_of_zion)...


It will really come down to the survival of the fittest between the United States and Islam, the innocents just get in the way and are of no consequence. Well, newsflash: people of Sunday come second in the Islamic checklist, right after the people of Saturday. The conflict is not between United States vs. Islam, or 300 Jewish bankers vs. Islam, or the evil hydra of world zionism vs. Islam, or zionist-occupied-government vs. Islam. The conflict is between the-rest-of-the-world vs. Islam. It is just the problem that apart from the US, the "civilized west" is willing to sacrifice their future just to see Jews suffer. They do not realize that they are willingly play into Moslem good ole "Divide and conquer" scheme. People, even as remote from Israel as Kiwis are raised on a belief that there is a Jew behind every mischief. Just look at this board: the only thread that's more popular than jew-bashing here is cop bashing. And I am not even sure about cop bashing.


Israel is a State built on a myth...And 3000 years of documented history and uninterrupted presence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah) in the region since well before the 1st Temple. Think of it: Jerusalem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Jerusalem), the capital of Israel, is a relatively young city. It was founded mere 3000 years ago.


but it's demise will be a reality for the whole world to suffer and we will suffer.
And this is the part that you got 100% right. Right now Israel is taking all the heat. If it will fall, you guys will be next.

[The_Dover]

English citizens by proxy ? Think you're stretching the definition there a bit.

so if I get a kiwi passport am I a kiwi?

like fuck I am.

hang the treacherous fucking bastards,

the BNP look a better bet every year

[Biff]

I like in New Zealand.

[Str8 Jacket]

So you come from Rotorua! And here's me thinking it was just some gastro-intestinal thing...

Well I moved to the big city of Vegas from Ohakune and lived there for 15 yrs....

You need to realise that farts ARE funny, no really they are!

[moko]

English citizens by proxy ? Think you're stretching the definition there a bit.

Not by proxy Deano,they were born here,as I believe most,if not all,of those arrested for the alleged terrorist plot yesterday were.That`s the big problem for the government here,they`d dearly love to blame "sleepers",agents covertly slipped into the country e.t.c. but it aint so.Two things,most of those pulled as suspects and all of those involved in the train bombings were born here and led normal lives,were not trouble-makers and had never been in trouble with the law.If they`re found guilty of anything that`s one problem the Govt have to sort,why and why here,Britain on the whole has(although worryingly things are changing rapidly)pretty good race relations and no community can truly claim to be oppressed.Secondly "alleged" is a big word,hardly any of the several hundred people pulled in are ever charged,there`s either zero evidence or a major f-up that`s got them arrested in the first place.This has led to the usually tight-knit Asian community now being quite familiar with stories of doors being kicked in and people dragged out into the street by men with guns.The almost zero results this has so far achieved has led to a growing feeling amongst the community that they`re being singled out and in effect being terrorised themselves,the same as the Catholics in Northern Ireland felt and look where that led.

[Skyryder]

Look I really don't want to go too deep into theology here, but you guys just leave me no choice here. Have it ever occured to you that the G-d of sons of Abraham CANNOT be the same daity as that of Christians out of pure incompatibility. What is the central concept of Judaism? The answer is simple: MONOTHEISM. Ever heard about "SHMA YISROEL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shema_Yisrael)"?
Now please, explain, how the faith worshipping father, son, and the holy ghost can be monotheistic?

With respect to Hitcher's request, your question on Montheism can be aswered in the following way.

The God of the Book is the one common denominator of the three Judean religions. That this One God is known by three different names is of no matter. It is the God of Abraham. Some Christian sects do not acknowledge this but that is another story in which this thread as Hitcher rightly says is not suitable here. To understand the concept of the Trinity in as much as this singular Godhead is aknowldged by Chistians draw a large equalateral triangle on the floor. This singular object has three points. If you step into the middle of this triangle no matter which way you turn it will look the same. So it is with the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost. It's all very simple.

Now I'm not going to comment any futher on this in respect to Hitcher's request.

Skyryder

[jimbo600]

English citizens by proxy ? Think you're stretching the definition there a bit.

Too true, if a dog is born in a stable it doesn't make it a horse.

[Skyryder]

Look I really don't want to go too deep into theology here, but you guys just leave me no choice here. Have it ever occured to you that the G-d of sons of Abraham CANNOT be the same daity as that of Christians out of pure incompatibility. What is the central concept of Judaism? The answer is simple: MONOTHEISM. Ever heard about "SHMA YISROEL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shema_Yisrael)"?
Now please, explain, how the faith worshipping father, son, and the holy ghost can be monotheistic?

With respect to Hitcher's request, your question on Montheism can be aswered in the following way.

The God of the Book is the one common denominator of the three Judean religions. That this One God is known by three different names is of no matter. It is the God of Abraham. Some Christian sects do not acknowledge this but that is another story in which this thread as Hitcher rightly says is not suitable here. To understand the concept of the Trinity in as much as this singular Godhead is aknowldged by Chistians draw a large equalateral triangle on the floor. This singular object has three points. If you step into the middle of this triangle no matter which way you turn it will look the same. So it is with the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost. It's all very simple.
Now I'm not going to comment any futher on this in respect to Hitcher's request.

The rest of your post I agree with. Especially this.

Well, newsflash: people of Sunday come second in the Islamic checklist, right after the people of Saturday. The conflict is not between United States vs. Islam, or 300 Jewish bankers vs. Islam, or the evil hydra of world zionism vs. Islam, or zionist-occupied-government vs. Islam. The conflict is between the-rest-of-the-world vs. Islam. It is just the problem that apart from the US, the "civilized west" is willing to sacrifice their future just to see Jews suffer. They do not realize that they are willingly play into Moslem good ole "Divide and conquer" scheme. People, even as remote from Israel as Kiwis are raised on a belief that there is a Jew behind every mischief. Just look at this board: the only thread that's more popular than jew-bashing here is cop bashing. And I am not even sure about cop bashing.

Skyryder

[Finn]

Too true, if a dog is born in a stable it doesn't make it a horse.

No, it makes it a Prime Minister.

[Lou Girardin]

...And 3000 years of documented history and uninterrupted presence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah) in the region since well before the 1st Temple. Think of it: Jerusalem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Jerusalem), the capital of Israel, is a relatively young city. It was founded mere 3000 years ago.
.

Is this the same 'promised land' that Moses led them to?
Who was it again, that promised them land that wasn't theirs?
How convienient to be given land by your imaginary friend. It's even more far fetched than the Treaty of Waitangi.
This seems to be a recurring theme in Jewish history.

[Street Gerbil]

Is this the same 'promised land' that Moses led them to?[...]This seems to be a recurring theme in Jewish history.
Not only recurring, Lou, but very old, supported by tons of archeological finds, and worst of all, Lou, translated to more than 2100 languages and printed in approximately 5 billion copies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible#Distribution). Deal with it.



It's even more far fetched than the Treaty of Waitangi. As for Maori, they really were royally screwed and attitude of some folks (mostly those frequenting indymedia NZ) believing that the land of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob needs to be somehow "returned" to "indigenous" inhabitants of the land, invented in late seventies of the last century, but preferring to keep New Zealand for themselves, looks, smells, and quacks a bit like hypocrisy to me.



How convienient (sic) to be given land by your imaginary friend.
Lou, it is very convenient and safe to insult a Jew. He just winces, sighs, and moves on. In this instance, however, IMO, you ventured farther than you wanted to. You see, it is a consensus of this forum, that Jews and Moslems share the same G-d. Your Moslem friends tend to get really pissed off when someone refers to the G-d as an "imaginary friend". They may even see it as an insult to Islam. Need I say more?

[Indiana_Jones]

All is fair in love and war... You always get what is coming to you!!!

Good luck USA,UK,AUZ!!!

You're dreaming if you think they won't attack here etc

-Indy

[jimbo600]

I think the stronger countries has been taking advantage of their on weight.
It's time for the smaller countries to show their power...

And what is the best way for a small country to show it?!?

By making the stronger counties tremble in their boots.. Even if it destroys the small country to...

All is fair in love and war... You always get what is coming to you!!!

Good luck USA,UK,AUZ!!!

What are your thoughts on NZs involvement in East Timor Deg?

[SuperDave]

Who was it again, that promised them land that wasn't theirs?
How convienient to be given land by your imaginary friend. It's even more far fetched than the Treaty of Waitangi.


So you must be entirely for all of NZ to be given back to the Maori then?

[Winston001]

The conflict is between the-rest-of-the-world vs. Islam.

That's the problem in a nutshell. And it isn't even all Islam. Just some strong-willed immams with strict interpretations of the Q'uran. But they operate among tens of millions of poor people who are susceptible to persuasive teachings. It only takes a few percent to create a movement and provide zealous activists.

The moderate moslem largely ignores these people but suffers from being cast into the same mould by the West.

The clash between Western values and those of the Islamic world are deadly serious. Islam considers that we are immoral and selfish. We think they are mysogenists and narrowminded.

If history is any guide, Islam will continue to spread throughout the world and then dilute as has happened with Christianity. But millions may die in the meantime.

[Lou Girardin]

So you must be entirely for all of NZ to be given back to the Maori then?

Does it sound like it?

[Lou Girardin]

Not only recurring, Lou, but very old, supported by tons of archeological finds, and worst of all, Lou, translated to more than 2100 languages and printed in approximately 5 billion copies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible#Distribution). Deal with it.



Look, you really must use different reference sources. Information edited by sympathisers is not that credible.
Have you tried books?

[SuperDave]

Does it sound like it?

No it doesn't. But it does sound like you believe Israel was created on land stolen from the Palestinians and that it should be given back. Strange how your sense of justice differs based who is the 'victim'.

Similarly Israel is always expected to be morally correct whereas no matter how much blood its enemies have on their hands they are still considered to be acting justifiably.

[Lou Girardin]

Similarly Israel is always expected to be morally correct whereas no matter how much blood its enemies have on their hands they are still considered to be acting justifiably.

I certainly don't think Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda etc actions are justified.
I do think anyone who looks at the history can understand why they do it. Understanding the cause is the first step to solving the problem. Something that Georgy and Bliar won't countenance.

[Pixie]

Maybe that's what's caused the current situation. Maybe it was the 500,000 million children dead as a result of the embargoes placed on Iraq from 1991 till 2003.
If my child was one of them, I'd do whatever I could to make those responsible pay.

500 billion kids????
How did they have time to do anything but screw?
The UN certainly saved us from a population disaster

[Lou Girardin]

500 billion kids????
How did they have time to do anything but screw?
The UN certainly saved us from a population disaster

Yeah yeah yeah, you're bit late on this one.:wait:

[Pixie]

Too true, if a dog is born in a stable it doesn't make it a horse.

No, but it might make it the messiah

[mstriumph]

Too true, if a dog is born in a stable it doesn't make it a horse.





No, but it might make it the messiah

damn

now we ALL thought that but, out of deference to SenMod Hitcher's expressed preference for cecession of our verballing each other in RELIGIOUs debate WE CONTROLLED OURSELVES

................ all except ONE of us, that is .......... :nono:

[Lou Girardin]

No, but it might make it the messiah

Only for dyslexics.

[Street Gerbil]

Look, you really must use different reference sources. Information edited by sympathisers is not that credible.
Lou, have a look at the article on Wikipedia at slashdot.org (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/02/1747238), an organization not known as Israel's sympathiser.

Have you tried books?
What's the point? Even if I'd quote Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Main Kampf, or writings of Noam Chomsky to support my position, you'd still dismiss them as "pro-Israel spin".

[Hitcher]

If anybody so much as whispers the word "Bible", chunks of this thread will be exiled to Scotland! You have been warned before about the fate that awaits protracted religious discourse...

[mattp]

Too true, if a dog is born in a stable it doesn't make it a horse.
No, but it might make it the messiah

This is very true. Just because my Son was born in England he will still have Kiwi direction when I bring him up. There is no chance in hell that I want him to follow the likes of the council estate chav scum that London is full of at present :nono:

[mattp]

500 billion kids????
How did they have time to do anything but screw?
The UN certainly saved us from a population disaster

I think if you look around the world it is always the ones that have F/A that are having loads of kids. Even in the UK it is the amount of people living in 3 bedroom flats that have 5 kids that are the problem :tugger:

If you don't have the money DONT HAVE THE KIDS!!!:nono: