Overhyped?

[Lou Girardin]

Bike magazine has just done a comparison test of the new ZZ-R1400, ZX12R and ZX10R.
Some figures; Top Speed/ 1/4 mile/ 40-120mph roll on.
ZZ-R1400 175.7 mph 10.64 @ 140 mph 13.94 secs
ZX12R 173.5 mph 10.80 @ 137 mph 13.93 secs
ZX10R 174.4 mph 10.98 @ 139 mph 12.3 secs

OK, the ZZ-R is a big heavy beast, but these figures are not that mind boggling. Especially the peaky ZX10 thumping it by more than 1 1/2 secs in the roll on.
And the 14 is a hungry beast too, 10 mpg at full throttle.
The testers were dissappointed at the flat low end of the ZZ-R, they much preferred the grunt of the 12R. It seems Quacka has reverted to their old trick of designing a real jump in the power band to make the bike feel quicker than it is. Something I remember in my old GPz750. It makes for a lot of fun, but you wouldn't want to hit the power band mid-corner unexpectedly.
I didn't think the 'real world' figures would match the hype somehow.
I'd love to see a 'Busa put against the 14. I doubt that the Bus would be shown up much, if at all.
Let the debate begin.

[Titanium]

There was some direct comparisons back in April ..... links to MCN write ups.

Check out, some good information in there.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=29919

Cheers


Peter

[onearmedbandit]

Info lifted from another forum, sorry but I don't know the posters source.


This from an independant test on standard ZZR1400 vs GSX1300

Top gear roll on 100-200m

GSX 2.153 sec@184.68 ZZR 2.174 sec@182.35

Top gear roll on 200-400m

GSX 3.417 sec@229.82 ZZR 3.470 sec@224.83kph

300m standing start

Busa 9.027sec ZZR 9.031sec

Hot lap Suzuka

BUSA 1'09.065 ZZR 1'10.920

Same rider, etc.

[BeakerRAT]

And hopefully Suzuki will up the ante with something like this ???? Busa 1400

[onearmedbandit]

I would love to see what Suzuki have instore for the replacement to the 'Busa. Lets face it, when Suzuki step up to the plate they are always swinging something pretty serious.

[WINJA]

Ok Thats The Straight Line Stuff Taken Care Of , Now For The Real Stuff 'the Corners' . I Think The Zx14 Is A Pointless Ball And Cock Licking Exercise Give Me The 10 Any Day

[sAsLEX]

I would love to see what Suzuki have instore for the replacement to the 'Busa. Lets face it, when Suzuki step up to the plate they are always swinging something pretty serious.

Problem is, is there any need for anything faster than a Busa?

Some EU countries were getting antsy a while back about the terminal velocity of the current crop of superbikes, surely continuing to make hyper bikes like these is only helping their cause of an eventual ban, I mean how often does one use the full potential of the Busa and remain with a life or license on the road.

[onearmedbandit]

Problem is, is there any need for anything faster than a Busa? Always.

Some EU countries were getting antsy a while back about the terminal velocity of the current crop of superbikes, surely continuing to make hyper bikes like these is only helping their cause of an eventual ban... Valid point, but fears like this come up from time to time, nothing has come of it, yet.


...I mean how often does one use the full potential of the Busa and remain with a life or license on the road. Doesn't matter mate, it's knowing you've got it

That's how I see it anyway!

[davereid]

The EU has come down so hard on bikers that its spawned an entire culture of superbikers with no number plates who torment the police.

Type "Ghostrider" "Hayabusa Turbo" or "Sweden Tank Cam" in the search field at youtube.

[sAsLEX]

Valid point, but fears like this come up from time to time, nothing has come of it, yet.


ummm someone posted the other day about how the Jap's started turning out nicer and faster 250's because of the 250 limit imposed in the UK back in the day, RD250's etc lots of nice fast two strokes so learners could get on something decent, so overnight the Govt went 125cc 18hp max (something like that) and overnight there where all these bikes that where excess to requirements , and those that were legally riding a 250 where now illegal.

But the post above has a valid point as well, but the fact is the Jap makers aren't going to continue to produce a bike they cant legally sell in the markets

[onearmedbandit]

For a learners level bike, I can understand the British Govt.'s decision.

[Lou Girardin]

Info lifted from another forum, sorry but I don't know the posters source.

This doesn't look good for the worlds fastest bike.
How old is the 'Busa again?

[Edbear]

This doesn't look good for the worlds fastest bike.
How old is the 'Busa again?


Yeah, my sentiments, too. I mean in a comparo between the two bikes in the US, they were very close in all performance areas and the Busa actually was better in some respects.

What would Suzuki have to do to put the Busa back on top? Stuff all, really!

The argument is truly academic as the performance of all modern superbikes - this includes the ZX10, Gixxer Thou, etc. is so far beyond what can actually be utilised that it is purely rider ability that decides the fastest, anywhere, straight line or series of corners! I contend that my bike ridden by a competent rider would be a match around the Coro loop for example! Well, maybe, but you get my drift?

I strongly feel, (unusual for me I know:innocent: ), that bikes should not be artificially restricted as these are. Even if you never use the full performance, it should be available, otherwise what's the point?:bye:

[slowpoke]

Ok Thats The Straight Line Stuff Taken Care Of , Now For The Real Stuff 'the Corners' . I Think The Zx14 Is A Pointless Ball And Cock Licking Exercise Give Me The 10 Any Day

That's all well and good but fortunately not everyone lives in NZ where 'round every corner there is another corner. Try touring 1000km's a day in Oz, Europe or the US with luggage and you'll see the relevance of these bikes.

As for the roll on figures if you geared a 10 for the same top speed as a 14 then the thing wouldn't feel so perky. Conversely, imagine the 14 geared the same as the 10....now we're talkin!

This is a funny thread really....maybe it should be titled "Lets compare magazine articles".

[gijoe1313]

As I'm a complete noob, I've perused a couple of bike mags - which titles have riders here found that were the most useful/informative?

[Lou Girardin]

As for the roll on figures if you geared a 10 for the same top speed as a 14 then the thing wouldn't feel so perky. Conversely, imagine the 14 geared the same as the 10....now we're talkin!



Well the 14 has 25 - 30% more torque to pull different gearing. If you geared it down, you'd be filling the thing every 100 k's. The fact is that, as bikes off the showroom floor, the 14 is not much quicker, if at all. Once you start changing spec, it's a whole different ball game.

[DEATH_INC.]

Try the same roll on from 150 mph.....

[Madmax]

ZX10rs just feel better (in a sort of unfrendly way)
dont like the 06 model though i think the 04 sans
dampner is f**kin fun
:innocent:

[dawnrazor]

Aren't all these bikes restricted by the big 4 to 300K top speed despite the engines potential, and the real characteristics of these engines are libereated by the art of the fettle.

[The_Dover]

As I'm a complete noob, I've perused a couple of bike mags - which titles have riders here found that were the most useful/informative?

Superbike.

Bike is ok too.

[pritch]

I read BIKE or TWO. Both are English and thus heavily favour sports bikes.

If you allow for the bias they can be very informative. I think both have former top roadracers on their testing teams (Niall McKenzie and Jamie Whitam).

If you buy one BIKE keep it for the comments re every model sold in Britain toward the back of the mag.

Point against: neither mag is cheap...

[sAsLEX]

i think the 04 sans
dampner is f**kin fun
:innocent:

I think they refer to what you enjoy as masochism

[**R1**]

Info lifted from another forum, sorry but I don't know the posters source.how often do you get the exact same time around a track? and u got that info from a suzuki forum didnt you?:blip:

[Lou Girardin]

Try the same roll on from 150 mph.....

That'd be interesting.

[Cajun]

taken from latest superbike mag, of zx14 vs busa, vs k1200s

enjoy

[sAsLEX]

taken from latest superbike mag, of zx14 vs busa, vs k1200s

enjoy

interesting the 1/4s are exactly the same

[sAsLEX]

New one test ride a bit boring to be honest
<a href="http://videos.streetfire.net/video/da8dcf89-108d-4cbb-8ee5-9818005d873f.htm" target="_blank"><img src="http://thumbs.vidiac.com/da8dcf89-108d-4cbb-8ee5-9818005d873f.jpg" width="115" height="86"></a><br><a href="http://videos.streetfire.net/video/da8dcf89-108d-4cbb-8ee5-9818005d873f.htm" target="_blank">Click to see Video</a>

Some old school drags on the old 14
<a href="http://videos.streetfire.net/video/e8e959e1-be0f-45a4-9c8c-5f7c38df79bf.htm" target="_blank"><img src="http://thumbs.vidiac.com/e8e959e1-be0f-45a4-9c8c-5f7c38df79bf.jpg" width="115" height="86"></a><br><a href="http://videos.streetfire.net/video/e8e959e1-be0f-45a4-9c8c-5f7c38df79bf.htm" target="_blank">Click to see Video</a>

[Lou Girardin]

It looks like the 14 only comes into it's own at high speed.
There's only a few tenths difference where we normally ride.
The next 'Busa will kill it. (If they keep the low down grunt)

[sAsLEX]

It looks like the 14 only comes into it's own at high speed.

Which is suprising considering the aero's of the Busa which are some of the best in the business.

[Cajun]

yeah the write up in latest esp of superbike of the above test as given the winner of the 14, of them, they said it was a hard choice, it wasn't like the 14 stomped the other two,

I am acutally very dispointed in reading that the 14 takes longer to stop at same speeds compared to the busa, i mean busa as 6 pot capliers, with the 14 with radial mounted mc, as well as calapers as well as some wavy discs

[sAsLEX]

wavy discs

Are just for wank value!

[Devil]

I am acutally very dispointed in reading that the 14 takes longer to stop at same speeds compared to the busa, i mean busa as 6 pot capliers, with the 14 with radial mounted mc, as well as calapers as well as some wavy discs

What my brain is having trouble with is that it took the 14 longer to stop time-wise, but did it in a shorter distance...
It's distance that matters isn't it?

[Biff]

For a learners level bike, I can understand the British Govt.'s decision.

Learners (pre CBT) are restircted to 125cc in the UK me ole China.

Spank away at the new Kwakas while you can, and the pending arrival of the new Busa - then Honda will bring out a replacement for the Bird/VFR and the rest of the rice burners will be playing catch up yet again.