Who put up da Pink and Blue signifyers ?

[Goddess of Goof]

And what if you are neither ?
Or both?
Or between operations?
Or not pink or blue but
GREEN like my friend Kermit Kawasaki ?
And what does it mean?
Pink and blue make PURPLE?

:eek:

[MikeL]

Something seems not quite right... The thingy with the arrow should be blue, surely? And I should have one, and not the other kind. At least, that's what I've always believed. Now I'm getting confused again. Is there nothing we can be sure of any more?:(

[SpankMe]

oops, I was lead astray by <a href="http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/genderfonts.html">this site</a>. If anyone wants something other than M/F, I'd be more than happy to add the appropriate symbol. ;)

[bluninja]

Led astray? LOL Can I have a fat circle with a BIG arrow please:D

TTFN

[Goddess of Goof]

Good Call, BluNinja ....

Jollies. quite cheered me up.... !

But, joking aside, I'd like to raise a serious question, if
this thread can bear such a thing....

Why show the biology symbols for male/female?
I cannot find much value in having them there.

The whole beauty of a website like this is to air IDEAS
and knowledge, exchange views, humour, etc.
Dosen't matter whether the idea originates out of male or
female, it's what is said that is the point.

The world is such a relentlessly gendered place that
a site like this is one place where you can be free from
stereotyping - for a little while. I hoped this biker's site
would not be 'typical' like the rest of society.

It's kinda disappointing that, yet again, what you are is more important than what you think.

Hhmmm - now I'm all depressed. But I would prefer the
bio symbols to be removed.

Anyone agree ? Disagree ?

[Kwaka-Kid]

meh

spose i agree :)

[What?]

Originally posted by bluninja
Can I have a fat circle with a BIG arrow please


Your'e not a closet HD rider, are you????????:p

I agree with bestfun - it doesn't matter what sex you are (or aren't); this is all about ideas and experiences. BTW Bestfun, the best cure for depression is a good ride...

[bluninja]

What? I think a closet (or Te Papa Museum) is the best place to keep a HD.&nbsp;:D

As for stereotyping; girls and boys ARE different, they look different, they think different, they talk different. An idea&nbsp;will stand on it's own merits regardless of the gender of the proposer. Bestfun, do you believe that people will ignore your posts, or treat them differently&nbsp;just because you have a female symbol alongside your name? If you do, that doesn't feel to me like you think much of the people that post on here.

Before you jump up and down on me too hard; I do know that your gender will influence the way people&nbsp;respond&nbsp;to you initially....and if people don't believe me go into a chat room with a name that&nbsp;marks you as the opposite gender and see how people respond....it's quite fun!&nbsp;Provided these symbols are treated as a bit of fun, I don't see a problem with them. Perhaps KK and Cuban are sponsoring them to find girlies with bikes.

BTW&nbsp; how come people wanted pics of Mitch in a bikini, when they'd not seen her, but nobody asked me (sniff):rolleyes:

&nbsp;

TTFN

[SPman]

Simon, can we have a picture of you in a bikini....pretty please..:p

Better still ..... draped over a Harley:eek:

[Kwaka-Kid]

SPman you are really starting to worry me.. with these changing avatars... the female sign thingy, and now wanting pics of Si in a&nbsp; bikini?&nbsp; Ill admit i wouldnt mind seeing a bikini... but filled by somthing other then Si unfrotunatly (sorry Si, better luck next time)

[Goddess of Goof]

Referring to BluNinja's post containing the question:

do you believe that people will ignore your posts, or treat them differently just because you have a female symbol alongside your name?

In short, yes.

How come? I hear you ask...

Because it is something I notice frequently.

I'll give you some examples from this very own site if you
need convincing, via a PM.

Hey, I have a sense of humour, and all the rough edges knocked
off years ago, and it's OK. I'm cool. Girls just wanna have fun.

I simply dislike the bio symbols intensely, and would prefer them not to be there. (even the neon colours grate).
They were installed by unilateral decision without consultation. They remain inaccurate, stereotypical and, just perhaps, be wrong for someone. Who won't say anything....at all.

I reckon a little ambiguity is spicy, and it keeps
our authors on their toes. No assumptions, huh.

I could've registered as "Throttler-Bottler" on a big black
Triumph and perhaps I should've.

:D :D :D Chuckle, oh dear.

Long Live the Alter Ego

[SPman]

Other than Si :confused:

Well how about you then?

That would be a change from Spankmes girlie pix! :rolleyes:

Nah, on second thoughts lets just stay with Mitch :beer:

[SPman]

I agree with BestFun.&nbsp;

&nbsp;:D

&nbsp;

The symbols should at least have a "none" option in the user cp profile.(well all sorts of options would be nice, but that would be a start)

How about it SpankMe ? :bigthumb:

[SpankMe]

Originally posted by SPman
The symbols should at least have a "none" option in the user cp profile.(well all sorts of options would be nice, but that would be a start)

How about it SpankMe ? :bigthumb:

:done:

[SPman]

Yep, so you have.

Thank ee. :)

[Goddess of Goof]

Now Now Now, this isn't an FAQ like on the Bike Stuff thread,

BUT do any of you learned bikers know the correct symbol for

a hermaphrodyte creature ?

I haven't a clue. There might be one...it's interesting.

Is there a symbol in biology? .....

for creatures like snails which are both sexes, and certain
fish,and frogs (?) like those desert ones in Africa are able to change into either sex according to the rains and their population.
And crocodiles can become one sex or t'other according to the ground temperature when they're in the egg.

Been watching Discovery Channel, hai

Makes a change from what oil?

[SPman]

<IMG src="http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/SexSymbol017.gif">&nbsp;mercury for hermaphrodites

<IMG src="http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/SexSymbol011.gif">&nbsp; or <IMG src="http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/SexSymbol012.gif">&nbsp;&nbsp; transgender

<IMG src="http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/SexSymbol013.gif">&nbsp;std bisexual

&nbsp;etc etc.

[SpankMe]

Maybe I should add all these options :p
<table> <tbody> <tr> <td> <img src="http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/SexSymbol003.gif" width="28" height="42"> </td> <td> Mars: symbol for males. </td> <td> <img src="http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/SexSymbol002.gif" width="23" height="46"> </td> <td> Venus: symbol for females.&nbsp; </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <img src="http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/SexSymbol005.gif" width="39" height="48"> </td> <td> Gay males. </td> <td> <img src="http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/SexSymbol006.gif" width="36" height="46"> </td> <td> Lesbians.&nbsp; </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <img src="http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/SexSymbol007.gif" width="28" height="65"> </td> <td> Aware of the <a href="http://www.cygnus.uwa.edu.au/~zeddicus/miscella.html">joint cause of gays and lesbians</a>. Also (sometimes) transsexuals. Also, (sometimes) heterosexuals in general. See <a href="http://www2.potsdam.edu/clubs/LGBA/pages/other/NewSymbols.html">here</a> or <a href= "http://andrejkoymasky.com/lou/sym/sym01.html">here</a>. </td> <td> <img src="http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/SexSymbol010.gif" width="41" height="65"> </td> <td> Bisexuals. Sometimes used for people fighting for gay and lesbian rights.&nbsp; </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <img src="http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/SexSymbol011.gif" width="32" height="65"> </td> <td> Transgender. See <a href="http://www.gendertalk.com/info/tgsymbol.shtml">here</a>. </td> <td> <img src="http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/SexSymbol012.gif" width="28" height="42"> </td> <td> Another symbol for transgender: see <a href="http://www.mun.ca/the/glossary.html#lesbianism">here</a>.&nbsp; </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <img src="http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/SexSymbol013.gif" width="34" height="77"> </td> <td> Bisexuals. </td> <td> <img src="http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/SexSymbol014.gif" width="41" height="76"> </td> <td> Bisexuals, as proposed <a href="http://www.gaymart.com/shoptag/2item/i008519.html">here</a>. Closely related in some places to the symbol for <a href= "http://www.mun.ca/the/glossary.html#lesbianism">bisexual men</a>.&nbsp; </td> </tr> <tr> <td> <img src="http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/SexSymbol015.gif" width="39" height="78"> </td> <td> <a href="http://www.geocities.com/rainbowinn2/pride-gender.html">Bisexual men</a>. </td> <td> <img src="http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/SexSymbol016.gif" width="36" height="76"> </td> <td> Bisexual women.&nbsp; </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <div align="center"> <center> <table> <tr> <td> <img src="http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/SexSymbol017.gif" width="23" height="55"> </td> <td> Mercury: Hermaphrodites. See <a href="http://www.enqueue.com/ria/gender.html">here</a>. </td> </tr> </table> </center> </div>

[Goddess of Goof]

:)

Wow - I didn't know all those existed -
so we learn something new every day, Spank Me......

My whole point has been that gender signifyers are entirely
inappropriate on a motorcyclist's website, and given the huge range required for accuracy and inclusiveness, also quite unnecessary.

Bend Over !!!!!!!

:D :D :D :D :D

[Goddess of Goof]

well, darned if I can make my stupid girlie thingy deleted.

I've tried to remove it several times, and even read and
followed the edit instructions,
but it's still there.......

So I tried to change it to a stupid boy-ie thingy instead,
following SP Man's lead.
(He changed his boy thingey to a girl thingey
and frightened everyone !!!!!) Now his is gone entirely.

But no, mine won't change ........ and
It won't go away......

AND my bike's in for servicing AND I can't ride anywhere this
weekend AND ......

:argh:

[Kwaka-Kid]

It just goes on and on doesnt it... and dont think it will ever stop :( :brick:

[SPman]

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; :p

[wkid_one]

The little signifiers are great - however, I need to keep going back to my name in order to remember which one is the one for a man and which is the one for a woman.&nbsp; Thanks incredibly for the wonderful administrator who made this that much more difficult by getting them around the wrong way to start with.......that made my job all the more difficult....

Anywho&nbsp;- does it really matter whether these are on or not - I also question the legality under the Privacy Act and Human Rights Bill as to the displaying of the sex of a member without them having the option to turn it on or off.&nbsp; (this is a piss take before anyone flames me - however it is a valid point should someone wish to take it up with the Human Rights Ombudsman)...

Can I have a little symbol in the shape of a bike instead of the male/female notations?

Conversely - can we make it simplier by having Guy/Girl for those of us who are 'symbolically' challenged?

Good we use the DNA make-up as symbols instead?

How about pictures of the members instead of their bikes?

Just my thoughts -&nbsp;shit I need a&nbsp;job!&nbsp;

[Kwaka-Kid]

yeah man... you spend way to much time writing out these posts :P if only they paid you... :D

[SPman]

Jeez KK,you spend as much time on here as anyone, and youve got 2 jobs, 4 hungry bikes to feed and a house to work on

e&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;M&nbsp;&nbsp; C

[Kwaka-Kid]

hahaha its too true :( and i only get 4 hours sleep a night because of it :P haha no, most nights i get 6hours.

anyways you wanna know what irritates me like a fly on a dogs ass... SPman and his constantly changing bikes names/signatures etc :P i enjoy reading them but what irritates me about it is that i might have missed some funny ones coz he changes them too bloody often! :P

anyways ive spent the last hourt after my 2nd job studying RVF400's on the net, and stuff what the dude @ mt eden motorcycles on his VFR NC30 reckons, my RVF NC35 will give me just as much Fun if not more :) smaller carbs, 2HP loss, but 5kg lighter... so much to consider.. and ive learnt how to derestrict it :D the speedo gets to 180 and hits a mteal sensor which shuts down hte engine.. haha how basic... or i could pay like $100NZ just to buy a black box to bypass that single little thing.. or not :P&nbsp;&nbsp; cyas all, sleep time, up @ 6am to do some concreteing on uncles section :D gotta love that concrete! :D

[SPman]

Awwww

Ok, I'll slow down to once a week:D

&nbsp;

VFR/RVF's are neat, Motors like swiss watches. They last OK too - mate in Wellington got over 100K on his NC21

[Hitcher]

I'd rather have the symbols than "pink for girls" and "blue for boys". Sigh.
:shifty:

[RiderInBlack]

Sorry will not be voting on this one. You should be able to choose wether you have a symbol or not. Personally if someone has a problem with you because of your sex or sexuality that is their problem. Don't make it yours by stressing about it as it only lowers you down to their level.

I value what people say on this site by what they say not by their sex. I recommend that we all do the same (that applies to all the sexs).

[Jackrat]

I never filled out that bit in the profile Because I just don't think it matters.
I read every thing on the site,the gender of the writer makes no difference.
What does get up my nose is when you fill out a form for some reason an they want to know what race you are.There seldom seems to be a place for New Zealander.I like to tell them I'm part Maori Then tell Them I'm also part Irish,And French,and English,and Fijian,And 100%kiwi.Bugger em' let em' make it up as they go,I think that's what they would prefer.
One day New Zealanders will get recognised as a race that has nothing to do with were our ancesters came from.
Anyway :shutup:me

[RiderInBlack]

I read every thing on the site,the gender of the writer makes no difference.

:2thumbsup Good on you Jackrat.

What does get up my nose is when you fill out a form for some reason an they want to know what race you are.There seldom seems to be a place for New Zealander.I like to tell them I'm part Maori Then tell Them I'm also part Irish,And French,and English,and Fijian,And 100%kiwi.Bugger em' let em' make it up as they go,I think that's what they would prefer.
One day New Zealanders will get recognised as a race that has nothing to do with were our ancesters came from.
:2thumbsup Amen to that Jackrat. I'm looking forward to that day to.
If you tell people they are racist, sexist, etc. because you think that they are treating you differently because of your race, sex or what ever, then they will treat you differently (and probably treat anyone else like you the same). If ask to be treated differently because of your race, sex, etc., you are causing racism, sexism, etc., because you are acting that way yourself.
Sorry people:o I'll get of the soapbox now :shutup:

[Skyryder]

Used to be time in this county when being male or female made no difference. Guess I'm getting old. So I know you are male or female, you know I'm male. So what. I never look at the sign when I post anyway. Bet most don't either.

Skyryder

[menace]

http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/SexSymbol006.gif


Can i have that one LOL :P

[Motoracer]

Used to be time in this county when being male or female made no difference. Guess I'm getting old. So I know you are male or female, you know I'm male. So what. I never look at the sign when I post anyway. Bet most don't either.

Skyryder

It makes conversations a bit easier as there are obvious differences between male and female.

When we talk about technical subjects ie motorcycles etc or Political or religious topics, Male and female doesn't come into it.

In KB however there are disscusions going on outside this area like the thread which had a poll for the hottest dude racer as well as the hottest chick in the other thread. Disscussions of this type are made easier with the sex indicator, wouldn't you agree?

[FzerozeroT]

:2thumbsup Amen to that Jackrat. I'm looking forward to that day to.
If you tell people they are racist, sexist, etc. because you think that they are treating you differently because of your race, sex or what ever, then they will treat you differently (and probably treat anyone else like you the same). If ask to be treated differently because of your race, sex, etc., you are causing racism, sexism, etc., because you are acting that way yourself.
Sorry people:o I'll get of the soapbox now :shutup:


Mrs works with stats and stuff for health and went ape at me when I told her that i put down NZer for ethnicity.

"do you know how many people do that and it throws out the standard deviation for our grid mapping....blah blah"

seems that it's used to give low decile areas more health funding etc.

[toads]

I always look to see the gender of whomever I'm talking too, there are too few women on this site and I want to know if I'm lucky enough to be chatting to one.

[toads]

well, darned if I can make my stupid girlie thingy deleted.
So I tried to change it to a stupid boy-ie thingy instead,
following SP Man's lead.
(He changed his boy thingey to a girl thingey
and frightened everyone !!!!!) Now his is gone entirely.

But no, mine won't change ........ and
It won't go away......
:argh:

:killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme
the moral of the story is leave it alone :laugh:

[toads]

I never filled out that bit in the profile Because I just don't think it matters.
I read every thing on the site,the gender of the writer makes no difference.
What does get up my nose is when you fill out a form for some reason an they want to know what race you are.There seldom seems to be a place for New Zealander.I like to tell them I'm part Maori Then tell Them I'm also part Irish,And French,and English,and Fijian,And 100%kiwi.Bugger em' let em' make it up as they go,I think that's what they would prefer.
One day New Zealanders will get recognised as a race that has nothing to do with were our ancesters came from.
Anyway :shutup:me

I couldn't agree with you more Jackrat and I'm 100% english, which means, duh, I'm a mongrel /hybrid of probably at least 5 nationalities but I was born in England, if it's good enough for the poms, it's good enough for NZers.

[Blakamin]

uummmm...I was born in Australia.... guess I'm in trouble now? :shake:

[Storm]

Cant say as I look at the gender symbols at all until I read this thread. And I have been and will continue to put New Zealander on official forms. Funny that they want us to all live together in harmony etc, but still want us to segregate ourselves on the paperwork ? :spudwhat: :whocares:

[James Deuce]

Mrs works with stats and stuff for health and went ape at me when I told her that i put down NZer for ethnicity.

"do you know how many people do that and it throws out the standard deviation for our grid mapping....blah blah"

seems that it's used to give low decile areas more health funding etc.

Must comply with Govt. mandated discriminalnation.

Asking someone if they're Caucasian is bollocks too. How mant kiwis know where the Caucasus mountain range is? At least 50% of the country has some ancestry that never even emnated from Europe, let alone Central Asia.

[Mongoose]

So far official Gov Documents show me as Maori, New Zealander, Scots, Brit and Asian And sometimes anything else I care to be on that particular day

[avgas]

I am a NZer.
The only other thing i go under is Pakeha - and i dont fully know what that is yet. I mean if i tick that i may as well fill out the rest of the form as a moron.
Im not racist or anything, but when was it ok to call everything on my form in someother toungue that is not native to the person filling it in.
As for the symbols, yeh keep im, its good to know that at least some females arent obsessed with shoes and bags.

[Hitcher]

Sex? Yes please...

[mikey]

Sex? Yes please...


HITCHER BUDDY........................... NO NO NO

the symbol thing is there for when people like you an your wife get old an people cant tell what sex you are


mmmmmmmmmkkkkkkkkkkkkk???????????

[inlinefour]

To be either male or female or "none of ya business"? :ar15:

[Slipstream]

Soooo....This thread was started on my birthday....like almost 3 years ago :eyepoke: .... :D

[Biff]

I've been neutered and therefore a-sexual and sexless.

......and moving off at a tangent slightly, what the fork is this "de-facto" crap that Kiwis use in order to describe co-habitation. I mean come on, how shit a term is that.

I actually chucked my teddie when I applied for a bank account recently when I was told by a spotty geek of a personal banker that I was either married (I'm not, but been with my partner for 9 years and have 2 kids, although I tell everyone I am, just to keep all the ladies at bay), single, widowed or freakin de-facto. Forkinchekypunkmuffer. Telling me that I was "exercising power or serving a function without being legally or officially established". I'll excercise my power on you, you phrukin bugger forktwat, I thought. I refused to answer the question and let him decide what to do. I got my account, he no doubt ticked the freakin box for me. :bash:

Rant over - sorry for the interuption and tangentness of this post (I love making up words). Carry on.

[SPman]

I thought ya got the option? To be either male or female or "none of ya business"? :ar15:

Not when this thread was started!