Intro to User Infractions

[SpankMe]

User Infractions allow mods to issure yellow/red cards to users.

Each infraction type has an expiration time. When the infraction expires, the associated points are removed from the user's point total.

Infraction types can be given as warnings. A warning does not add any infraction points to the user's point total.

When a certain number of points is reached the user will loose site permissions.

Infraction Types:
<table width="500"><tr><td>Title</td><td>Points</td><td>Expires</td></tr><tr><td>Posted in incorrect forum</td><td>2</td><td>1 Months</td></tr><tr><td>Taking thread off topic</td><td>2</td><td>1 Months</td></tr><tr><td>Image/Avatar not censored</td><td>4</td><td>2 Months</td></tr><tr><td>Excessive Inappropriate Language</td><td>6</td><td>3 Months</td></tr><tr><td>Abusive To Other Member(s)</td><td>8</td><td>3 Months</td></tr><tr><td>Being abusive to Moderator</td><td>10</td><td>4 Months</td></tr></table>

There are four levels of restriction

First level (20 points) users lose:
Use Reputation

Second level (30 points) users lose: Uploading (Attachments/Profile Pictures/Avatars/Signature Image)
Vote on Polls
Set Self to Invisible Mode
Use Custom Title

Third level (60 points) users lose (along with above): Private Messages
Post calendar events
Use Signatures
View Member Info
Arcade access

Four level (100 points) users lose (along with above): Downloading Attachments
View calendar events
Edit Own Profile
All posts moderated

When you receive an infraction it will be listed in your User CP above your rep and you will also receive a PM.

This setup will be fined tuned over time. If things change, I will update this post.

[chanceyy]

to behave oneself ... good on ya spank ...

some ppl are really gonna suffer :killingme :rofl: :killingme :rofl:

[ZeroIndex]

that seems like a really good idea :) WELL DONE!!

[sels1]

Its a shame that, due to the actions of a few, you have to go to this trouble.
I guess as the site grew it was enevitable. Thanks to Spank and the Moderators who keep this site tidy.

[Sniper]

Thats awesome Spank. But as far as these go, are they discussed between mods before handed out of is it at a mods discretion?

If we feel we have been given them unfairly could we challenge the decision and include another mod? I only ask cause there are certain instances of mods disliking users because of personal veiws (I should know) and an unfair dishing out of points could cause friction.

Apart from that, great feature and Im sure it will come in handy.

[Ixion]

Um, one point , there needs to be some way to prevent double jeopardy. ie if someone posts int the wrong forum they should only get one infraction, not an infraction from half a dozen moderators. So moderators will need some sort of clearing house to ensure against such double ups.

[Sniper]

Um, one point , there needs to be some way to prevent double jeopardy. ie if someone posts int the wrong forum they should only get one infraction, not an infraction from half a dozen moderators. So moderators will need some sort of clearing house to ensure against such double ups.

A suppose a notification system could be done up. Almost like the quote notification except when someone is given an infraction, all the mods get a PM?

[Finn]

Well this will make KB really boring won't it. I think I'll go join that white suppremist forum that Quasi or one of the other simpletons mentioned because apparently I'm racist cause I said bad things about our early settlers. At least I can speak my mind there and I'm sure some of them are bikers so we'll have that in common.

Later puppets

[Quasievil]

This is a great Idea spankme, you would have noticed the same on my site also. A excellent way to kull out the filth which precides on KB.

[Quasievil]

Well this will make KB really boring won't it. I think I'll go join that white suppremist forum that Quasi or one of the other simpletons mentioned because apparently I'm racist cause I said bad things about our early settlers. At least I can speak my mind there and I'm sure some of them are bikers so we'll have that in common.

Later puppets


Yay, there goes one already!!!

[James Deuce]

The short version is you don't have to give evidence against yourself.

In NZ you do. The 5th Amendment refers to the 5th (heehee) amendment to the US Constitution.

Nice idea SPank. Might stop the number of personal attacks popping up lately.

[SpankMe]

Infractions can't be given to the same post twice.

Infractions can also be given via user profile.

If you disagree with an Infraction, follow the chain of command. Talk to another mod of that forum, then a Senior mod if no joy, then me.

Mods have the option of only giving a warning (which I have already given one today) which give no points.

[Warr]

I'm all for Moderators doing there thing and being Dictitorial!!
But I've seen new threads where Mod has slapped the hand of whoever started it saying "Wrong Forum" and I cant honestly see any problem with where its being posted.
Now is this because the Mod has already moved it to the "Correct" spot ??
But from where I'm sitting it appears to be a bit pedantic

[SpankMe]

The process was, red rep then move to correct forum.

[wysper]

I like it. Good work spank. Unfortunately it means more work :( But good on ya!

[sAsLEX]

ONe thing I find annoying is people move threads that were in the right forum.


ie move selling stuff from online trading to rave on.

And I tried starting a thread the other day and it got ammended to another persons thread instead of creating a new one, what up with that? Some heavy handed moderating for no reason.

[TerminalAddict]

and now you'll get punished for start that thread in the wrong forum in the eyes of that heavy handed mod ..

nice way to encourage website interaction

I think I'll just not start a thread ever again

[Sniper]

Makes sense though TerminalAddict. Forums would be a mess if you discussed different topics in one spot. Besides, its a bikers forum

[Joni]

ONe thing I find annoying is people move threads that were in the right forum.On line trading is for bikes and bike related stuff, its moved to RR if its not. Like scuba gear and the likes :yes:

[sAsLEX]

On line trading is for bikes and bike related stuff, its moved to RR if its not. Like scuba gear and the likes :yes:

Ummm why?? it does not say Online Bike store it says trading!


Online Trading
For Sale / Wanted to buy

plus its " <img src=http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/images/title-text.gif>
not a "site only for the discussion/trading of things only biking"

Yip not mention of bikes only, and it makes no logical sense to move for sale wanted things to RR, if your dont like people selling other things in the trading section maybe make a new forum/sub forum for not bike trading


silly illogical mods

[SpankMe]

But it's in the General Bike Stuff category. I guess I'll have to make it more obvious for the simple folk.

[Squeak the Rat]

From a user perspective it is quite daunting working out where to put something sometimes (much like kinky sex).

But anarchy wouldn't work either so we just have to have a bit of empathy for the mods. I'm sure most if not all do not enjoy having to move our posts all the time, but hey.....

:Punk: (sh'es a mod, she's a mod, yeah yeah yeah)

[sAsLEX]

But it's in the General Bike Stuff category. I guess I'll have to make it more obvious for the simple folk.

Umm like have a not bike online trading section!

[judecatmad]

Think it's a great idea :D Those who can't moderate their own behaviour should rightly get a kick up the backside (oops, that's not a punishable comment is it?!! LOL)

Seriously though, it's great to be trying to keep it clean, but don't sanitise it TOO much. A bit of diversity and controversy is good for keeping us all open-minded.

[onearmedbandit]

ONe thing I find annoying is people move threads that were in the right forum.


ie move selling stuff from online trading to rave on.



That'd be me then, I've acted on these reported posts accordingly. If it's in GBR-online trading and it's not GBR related it gets moved. Seems pretty simple to me.

[sAsLEX]

That'd be me then, I've acted on these reported posts accordingly. If it's in GBR-online trading and it's not GBR related it gets moved. Seems pretty simple to me.

Ok I see I like a few before me have missed the higher level GBR that encompases the majority of the forums here. Now since there is no other avenue to Online trade those items that are not motorcycle related could we

Open the current forum to all trading
Append a sub forum to the cuurent trading one for non bike stuff
create a new trading forum in RR
Other ideas?


Nice to see that the information for use on the current trading thing has been upgraded!

[oldrider]

I feel privileged to be on this forum but I sense "rules" like they make in schools are sort of appearing here! (Clark government style)
That doesn't seem to be what I thought Spankme stood for when I joined up, censorship was the antithesis of this forum, is socialism winning the day here too? :shit: John.

[Ixion]

Well, ,gotta admit that I have the same niggling doubts. So it ain't socialism!

[SwanTiger]

I think this is a brilliant idea, for me personally, it is going to challenge me to be more abusive towards other members and break any other rules.

These infraction points give me something to work towards and also act as a performance gauge.

Also, being part Maori I must help to over-represent the Maori community in any statistics through my savage animal tendencies.

:nya:

[The_Dover]

Hey Spank, is there anywhere we can view our current score? or does it just show up somewhere when you get some points?

[SpankMe]

Read first post.

[Skyryder]

First it was getting binned, now it's loosing priveledges. Shit this is a bikers site not kindergarden. Whatever is said on here is nothing but words. No ones getting whacked. You just can not take some of the drivel that goes on here seriously. Sure some of the stuff can take a bit of getting used to if it directed at you. But as I've posted somewhere here FLAME RULE #10 no one cares. If the going gets too hot there is the option of using the ignore button. That way you don't get see what is posted and if you stop posting the other party has nothing to feed off. If the PM message is abused just send a PM back if it continues or happens again toss them off. Sorry guys I'm thinking like Old Rider here, just getting too many rules and I'm a socialist. That's gota tell someone something. Take another think on this one Spank.


Skyryder

[Waylander]

I like it. Good work spank. Unfortunately it means more work :( But good on ya!

Jumped ship just intime then. No way would I be able to remember all these let alone enforce them.


Good idea SPank but does seem to be getting a bit heavy handed. Better than straight to sinbin though.

[Lou Girardin]

Yay, there goes one already!!!

Yeah, let's have a site where only approved opinions are allowed. We can talk about bikes and only bikes ad infinitum. God forbid that anyone is entertaining and/or not afraid to say what he thinks.
Oh that's right, you've started that site already.

[Lou Girardin]

I've got to agree with skyrider. One of those complaining about the twins thread was feeding the fire instead of just letting it go. Then there were the others that had little if anything to contribute to the thread, but jumped in like a pack of wolves when they smelt Finns blood. A really enlightening exhibition.
Most of us are adults and should be able to shrug off some of the more outrageous posts.
Rather than more rules, why don't people use their mental ignore buttons.

[Scouse]

I've got to agree with skyrider. One of those complaining about the twins thread was feeding the fire instead of just letting it go. Then there were the others that had little if anything to contribute to the thread, but jumped in like a pack of wolves when they smelt Finns blood. A really enlightening exhibition.
Most of us are adults and should be able to shrug off some of the more outrageous posts.
Rather than more rules, why don't people use their mental ignore buttons.I agree entirely Lou Quassi was a bit over the top in stiring and moderating at the same time. If anyone realy thinks this yellow and red card system is a good idea go take a look at Quassi's site and see how quiet and boring it is I had a look a minute ago and there were only 5 users online in my opinion part of the Charm of KB is the repartie and cut and thrust of personalities and if you get grumpy with someone on the site its always water of a Ducks back by the time you come together to go on one of the orgaised rides

[Brian d marge]

22/7 that an infraction ,

3/4 x 2 Thats a double infraction

:yes:

Stephen

[Bend-it]

Fine... Just got my 1st infraction today... I guess it's useful for mods, as long as they use it sensibly... As the forum gets bigger, there is more of a need for abit of order, just don't get carried away and kill the fun in here as well yeah?

[Quasievil]

A little side note, the thread is concerning user infractions, posts should be related to this subject, have a loverly evening from Mr happy Mod:innocent:

[SPORK]

Finally. My gosh, all you people complaining, think about it. You'd need to of posted 15 threads in the wrong forum in a month to even get to the first stage. So honestly, grow the fuck up, Spankme can run this ship however he likes.

[Goblin]

Well it appears to me that you only need one complaint to get an infraction. :first: It would also seem that this infraction system could be fairly easily abused by over-zealous moderators who have personal grudges against certian members, or even members who are prone to whinging to moderators every time their little feelings get hurt :crybaby:
It reminds me of school detention! :whocares:

[Quasievil]

Well it appears to me that you only need one complaint to get an infraction. :first: It would also seem that this infraction system could be fairly easily abused by over-zealous moderators who have personal grudges against certian members, or even members who are prone to whinging to moderators every time their little feelings get hurt :crybaby:
It reminds me of school detention! :whocares:

Yeah thats about right Goblin, if it can be backed up with OTT abuse, however its interesting a slight remark from a mod will be banged out of proportion. No Grudges from any Mod, but its generally the same members who are causing the issues.
It also isnt the same members making the complaints, alot of them just believe in a standard that KB should be run at (like the Mods) and are happy to promote those standards, However alot of members (yourself included) feel its okay for certain members to basically say what they like
Examples of a recent infraction comment
1/ THEN ZED FINISHES SPANKS BLOWJOB AND FUCKS OFF

That got an infraction as that is OTT.

But in saying all that, a few members are trying to turn this situation into a anti mod campaign, which is fine, but you should stop and realise that we are carrying out unpaid work to help keep this site running and perform more tasks than giving out infractions, ie moving posts , mentor stuff.
So before complaining about mods about nothing, look at what we all do and think of showing some appreciation, or put your own hand up and offer to help in some way

Thats about it

[Joni]

Yeah Goblin its more like a playground actually - just remember you are playing in someone elses playground - now just like in real life you bully other playmates eventually you will be rapped on the knuckles... you run around swearing like a sailor... also not gonna work - its not how the person who owns this playground wants things...

Come on guys - this infraction system has been set up to help the Admins and Mods to run the site a little better, this is only as bad as you make it... why must people now call mods all kinds of things when they are just doing a job - people seem to think when a mod does something its personal - get over it guys, its not personal we are just doing a job - which is help run a site we love.

[Sniper]

Mods in all honesty, you will get people winging about infractions. Its the same reason they get upset when they get a speeding ticket and the same reason NZ is the way it is, people dont want to take responsibility for their actions.

I bet that if they recieve green over a comment they wont get upset, but the moment they get an infraction or red rep they start whining. Think of it as a policeman giving someone a speeding ticket. By law its wrong to speed, but they dont see why they should be the one to get the ticket ect.

Mods, my 0.02c is if someone crys about getting an infraction then tough. They know where to go if they think it unwarrented so I would ignore those that stir. You guys have a hard enough job as it is without having to explain why you give people infractions.

S

[Goblin]

Yeah thats about right Goblin, if it can be backed up with OTT abuse, however its interesting a slight remark from a mod will be banged out of proportion. No Grudges from any Mod, but its generally the same members who are causing the issues.
It also isnt the same members making the complaints, alot of them just believe in a standard that KB should be run at (like the Mods) and are happy to promote those standards, However alot of members (yourself included) feel its okay for certain members to basically say what they like
Examples of a recent infraction comment
1/ THEN ZED FINISHES SPANKS BLOWJOB AND FUCKS OFF

That got an infraction as that is OTT.

But in saying all that, a few members are trying to turn this situation into a anti mod campaign, which is fine, but you should stop and realise that we are carrying out unpaid work to help keep this site running and perform more tasks than giving out infractions, ie moving posts , mentor stuff.
So before complaining about mods about nothing, look at what we all do and think of showing some appreciation, or put your own hand up and offer to help in some way

Thats about it
I really dont understand what you're trying to say on your first sentence. Your remark about how you feel that Crazy Steve should be shot before he can get his screwdriver out is, quite frankly, a personal attack on a member. Steve gave a broard, generalised statement about police in general....not directed at any particular member of this site, but got an infraction for it. Whereas you make a personal attack on him and it's OK...?

Now I'm not trying to make this an anti-mod issue. I reckon we should be able to say what we want, but not outright abuse other members. I am not complaining about nothing. I complained about your direct attack on Crazy Steve but you did not infraction yourself so there is a double standard. You yourself said just because you are a mod, it doesn't mean you cant give some of these people a bit of their own. So you are buying into their wind-ups and infractioning them for their responses. That looks to me like an abuse of power! Also looks like it's the same mods who are causing the issues by reveling in these wind-up posts. Now Im am in no way anti-mod and I think they do alot of thankless work but there are a couple of mods on here that get into heated arguements then dish out infractions because they can.

Btw. There was really no need to give that example.

Joni....Please save your patronizing for the kiddies.

[Lou Girardin]

Mods in all honesty, you will get people winging about infractions. Its the same reason they get upset when they get a speeding ticket and the same reason NZ is the way it is, people dont want to take responsibility for their actions.


As long as discretion is used and there's consistency there should be no problem.
Just like tickets should be really.

[Quasievil]

As long as discretion is used and there's consistency there should be no problem.
Just like tickets should be really.

I think you will find discretion is used as well as alot of Mods talking to each other every day about behaviour and advise on how to handle it.

[Joni]

If anyone has a major problem you have 3 choices:
1) Send a pm to a senior moderator
2) Post it in the "got a problem" thread
3) Or dont let the door hit you on the arse on the way out

Please lets not let this get any uglier than it is now. This is all very unnecessary - please dont contribute to the problem.

[Quasievil]

Good to see you sticking to your principles Finn..:rockon:

With all due respect Joni, your right the place has become a circus lately, but I think it could be due to some of the moderators being Clowns.

You think? I reckon you should explain in a bit more detail, I dont agree with you.
I think the site has de generated over time to a circus of baiters and antagonists.

For me Im not clean, Ive been involved in a few riots, but apologized for it to all concerned.

but I am genuinly interested in your views

[gav]

OK. so I've managed to get an infraction for posting in the wrong forum. I posted this thread in General Bike Stuff http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=34903 about possible new Ducati 1200. OK, so why is this thread titled Triumph Thruxton Cafe Racer http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=34881 still in GBS, it was there before my post and it seems to remain there? Wheres the consistency??

[Quasievil]

OK. so I've managed to get an infraction for posting in the wrong forum. I posted this thread in General Bike Stuff http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=34903 about possible new Ducati 1200. OK, so why is this thread titled Triumph Thruxton Cafe Racer http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=34881 still in GBS, it was there before my post and it seems to remain there? Wheres the consistency??

We cant see everything at once, you do the moderating maybe and spend hours a day going through all the posts, get over it

[gav]

OK, I'll save ya some time, might want to ping these threads while youre at it.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=35073 should be in Sports/Road Bikes
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=34956 should be in Hogs & Cruisers
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=34951 should be in Bike Mechanics thread, under General Maintenance
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=34713
Should be in Sports/Road bikes.
Hey, its alright, I understand you guys (and girls) are busy!

[SpankMe]

Thanks. Sorted. Best to use the report post function thou.

[inlinefour]

First it was getting binned, now it's loosing priveledges. Shit this is a bikers site not kindergarden.

I just got pinged "Taking thread off topic":

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=762606&postcount=35

however I was merely replying to a earlier post in the thread. Its a good idea in theory, however I wonder if its been taken too far. I also wonder if someone is getting a kick out of it? At the end of the day its Spank's site, but if this is the way that its going, what does that make kiwibikers? Whats next, are we going to ban humor all together, wonder who is going to decide what is funny? :spanking:

[White trash]

Yeah, I think I deserve a kick in the arse over my part in that thread too. I carried it on after OAB told us to cut it out.

So, where's me medicine?

Edit: Just while we're on this infracting subject, a couple of years ago, there was no such system. People sorted their own shit out and sometimes became good mates, eg. me and Mikey http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=140249#post140249

With a moderator jumping in everytime someone gets personal nowdays, there's no hope of people sorting it out, they get SORTED and end up holding a grudge longer.

Just a thought, and I don't give a fuck either way.

[onearmedbandit]

I got tired of handing them out last night and went to bed, wait your turn Jimmy!

[Maha]

And i thought i was nice boy..........:crybaby:
2 points awarded i think, is that how it works....oh dear. how sad, never mind.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=762933#post762933

[outlawtorn]

I don't see what the big deal is about infractions, guys it's just a website, not real life, take it easy and chill........(I'm only realy saying this because I am still knackered and trying to recover from the Black Label Society gig on Saturday) :Playnice:

[inlinefour]

Has anyone thought about the damage that this infraction business is doing? Just now I've had a mod admit in the chatroom that thy enjoy handing out infractions out because it pisses people off. If this is whats happening and I suspect that it probably is and that certian individuals probably get targeted due to past wrong doings, don't the whole infraction system come into disrepute? Sounds like it might be getting abused and being used for some pretty petty stuff. I've allready recieved something that I 100% disagree with and yet is boils down to what another individual (in this case a mod) thinks of a post and not what the original poster was intending. Also there definitely is alot of course posts make by Quasi, yet he is happily handing out infractions to others for equal or even less. Spank, did you seriously think about how the infraction system was going to impact on the site, or are you just sitting back with a beer pissing yourself with laughter? With all this bullshit thats going on, I simply cannot see how the infraction system has improved kiwibiker what so ever.

[Ixion]

The more I see of this infraction system, the more I believe it is a mistake.

It has changed the whole nature of moderation.

I have watched, and bitten my tongue for quite some time. I think it is time I spoke.

I view moderation as a service function. The role of the moderator (IMHO) should be to help, guide, faciliate. The oiler and greaser and remover of obstacles. Only occasionally having (reluctant) recourse to sanctions when someone is stuffing things up for others.

The infraction system has turned moderators into policemen, and has (again, IMHO) led to an unfortunate power struggle bewteen some moderators and some members.

I do not think it is contributing to the overall good of the site .

I also have a perception (and this is only a personal thing, I speak entirely as a member, not a moderator ) that some people have a very fixed idea of what Kiwibiker should be and are intent on using the infraction system to turn the site into their ideal. That ideal , unfortunately, is not one which I would share, and one that I think a lot of other members would not subscribe to .

Nor am I by any means convinced that the infraction system is necessary or even serves any useful purpose. It is argued that there are "too many wankers" on the site and there is "too much crap being talked". I am probably not the best person to comment on this, because almost certainly I am one of the wankers mentioned. But I think the discontent about "too much crap" is only valid in the context of the ambition , mentioned above, of some people to turn the site into one very much more narrowly focused and exclusive.

It is said that some members are disruptive. I do not think that I would be letting any cats out of bags if I name names. Messrs WINJA, Crazy Steve, Mikey, The Dover, hXc, Inlinefour, and others are I am sure well aware that they are regarded with disfavour.

I have to say for the record that I have never personally been the subject of anything from those members (or , indeed, with one exception, any member) to which I could reasonably object.

I have been red repped by some of them., But in fairness, only after I teased them. So I asked for it.

And I have found them, and all members , responsive to remonstrance and reasonable request.

I do not see that the infraction system is serving any useful purpose. And it is causing a great deal of damage to the site.

[Joni]

OK guys, I have just spent more than half an hour cleaning this thread up... I do have better things to do with my saturday afternoons :cool:

This thread is supposed to be an informative thread regarding the infraction system, all constructive conversation is welcomed - however the bitching and complaining has been moved to PD.

Please keep this thread on topic...

There is no problem talking about beer, titties and the rest... but not in a thread in site stuff where it supposed to inform users new and old about a significant change on KB. No-one will be prepared to go over 6 pages of crap to find one valuable post, which means this thread becomes useless.

Keep your off topic conversation to a thread that not as important as this one on KB.

Once again, if you have a problem with the way an infraction has been handled:
1) Send a pm to a senior moderator
2) Post it in the "got a problem" thread

The bitching achieves nothing...

OK, Im off to enjoy this lovely Canterbury day :wari:

[WINJA]

OK guys, I have just spent more that half an hour cleaning this thread up... I do have better things to do with my saturday afternoons :cool:

This thread is supposed to be an informative thread regarding the infraction system, all constructive conversation is welcomed - however the bitching and complaining has been moved to PD.

Please keep this thread on topic...

There is no problem talking about beer, titties and the rest... but not in a thread in site stuff where it supposed to inform users new and old about a significant change on KB. No-one will be prepared to go over 6 pages of crap to find one valuable post, which means this thread becomes useless.

Keep your off topic conversation to a thread that not as important as this one on KB.

Once again, if you have a problem with the way an infraction has been handled:
1) Send a pm to a senior moderator
2) Post it in the "got a problem" thread

The bitching achieves nothing...

OK, Im off to enjoy this lovely Canterbury day :wari:

TEHEHE THE LADY SAID TITTIES

[Skyryder]

I feel privileged to be on this forum but I sense "rules" like they make in schools are sort of appearing here! (Clark government style)
That doesn't seem to be what I thought Spankme stood for when I joined up, censorship was the antithesis of this forum, is socialism winning the day here too? :shit: John.

Even us socialists couldn't come up with this infraction thing. When I first started posting it was winner take all.

Now it's like the bloody UN. Any sighn of of a shoot out and the 'possee' saddle up with their gatling guns. Fuck 'em. Nuke 'em I say.

Skyryder

[inlinefour]

When enough individuals complain about the same thing most organisations take notice and try to do something about it. Here at KBer they just push it into pointless dribble? So do we push our heads in the sand and pretend there is no problem or does it actualy get sorted? :buggerd:

[onearmedbandit]

Got any suggestions then il4, seeing as you seem to be full of criticism over how things are currently run. A lot of things said here by certain members (including yourself) would have resulted in a full ban in many other forums.

[inlinefour]

Got any suggestions then il4, seeing as you seem to be full of criticism over how things are currently run. A lot of things said here by certain members (including yourself) would have resulted in a full ban in many other forums.

bin the infraction system and realise that political correctness is rubbish, or ban us/me. If your wanting a sterile website avoid of fun and humor, whats the point? Sometimes making a big issue itself creates the problem. So I'll stop, hopefully this will set an example that some others...

[WINJA]

When enough individuals complain about the same thing most organisations take notice and try to do something about it. Here at KBer they just push it into pointless dribble? So do we push our heads in the sand and pretend there is no problem or does it actualy get sorted? :buggerd:

ITS NOT AN ORGANISATION THO ITS JUST SOME NERDY GUYS HI TECH ANT FARM AND WE'RE THE ANTS

[onearmedbandit]

bin the infraction system and realise that political correctness is rubbish, or ban us/me. If your wanting a sterile website avoid of fun and humor, whats the point? Sometimes making a big issue itself creates the problem. So I'll stop, hopefully this will set an example that some others...

Despite how long this is being thrashed out, I'll respond to that by saying in no way is humour or fun being targeted with the infraction system, in fact I find it hard to believe that you choose that as your argument. The system is there because of the increasing numbers of personal attacks taking place, to the point where people have been abused over the phone. Unfortunately the by-product of this is that those who get infracted will be the first ones to point out any inbalance in the system, be damned commonsense. So what happens in the interest of being 'fair' and 'balanced' all posts now have to be monitored, which means we (the mod's) become overnight arseholes all because we are the ones charged with making this site appropiate for everyone.

The answer is simple guys, lay off the personal attacks. The shit is old and tired and it goes nowhere. By all means have fun, take the piss, use all the humour you want, but abusing people on the forum because you don't like their bike or political opinion, etc serves no benefit to the site whatsoever.

[padre]

Please don't force them to ban you all. Its like watching lemmings at clifftop. A trainwreck. If the attentionseekers don't know when to stop then we'll all be the poorer by your eventual self destruction. Don't you people know you have groupies - young bikers who follow your every move. Ahh dang, rebels without a cause. Bait - bite - bait - bite. Its like the middle East round here.
What would Helen do or say - bring in the mediators no doubt. Counselling?
Dover - where are you,have you reformed? That was not a deliberate invite to misbehave either. Over and out.

[Quasievil]

Despite how long this is being thrashed out, I'll respond to that by saying in no way is humour or fun being targeted with the infraction system, in fact I find it hard to believe that you choose that as your argument. The system is there because of the increasing numbers of personal attacks taking place, to the point where people have been abused over the phone. Unfortunately the by-product of this is that those who get infracted will be the first ones to point out any inbalance in the system, be damned commonsense. So what happens in the interest of being 'fair' and 'balanced' all posts now have to be monitored, which means we (the mod's) become overnight arseholes all because we are the ones charged with making this site appropiate for everyone.

The answer is simple guys, lay off the personal attacks. The shit is old and tired and it goes nowhere. By all means have fun, take the piss, use all the humour you want, but abusing people on the forum because you don't like their bike or political opinion, etc serves no benefit to the site whatsoever.

Well said.

The suggestion that Mods even remotely enjoy infractions is pathetic given as a consequence of an infraction we get the absolute complete going over by members.
I welcome any body who has an issue to write an explanation of a better way of moderstaing this site and then send it by PM to a senior Mod or Spankme, you all forget this is NOT a site owned by the members it is a site owned by Spankme, and he has layed down the rules, not the Mods, the rules are not OTT but they are there to make the site run smoothly, read the rules for the site usage, understand them, incorporate them in your postings and there wont be any issues.

[Finn]

Well said.

The suggestion that Mods even remotely enjoy infractions is pathetic

Not all mods, just you Quasi. :whistle:

[SixPackBack]

Spanks rules...take it up with Spank...blah,blah, blah
Spank sez remove your tongue from his @#se and look after your own site.

[inlinefour]

Spanks rules...take it up with Spank...blah,blah, blah
Spank sez remove your tongue from his @#se and look after your own site.


thats the end of that problem then? :whistle:

[Skyryder]

I'm hopeless at maths. Never could understand 'infractions.' :bye:

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Got any suggestions then il4, seeing as you seem to be full of criticism over how things are currently run. A lot of things said here by certain members (including yourself) would have resulted in a full ban in many other forums.

That's exactly the point OAB. This is what use to make this forum so good. I'ts the piss takes, the humour, and yes at times it got over the top. But it was self regulatory. If any one got out of hand there were plenty of members who would come to their aid. But for Christ's sakes guys. It's only words. It's not as if a bunch of fives were coming through the monitor.

It's got to the point of being ridiculus. Threadstake off into their own and just when it starts toget exciting some mod comes up with keep it on topic. So what in the course of conversation a thread on seats goes of onto tits, sunglasses or whatever. It'a all info. Maybe some here want this site to be like other biker sites................if so then you do KBikers a disservice. It use to be uniqie. It is no longer because of it's rules and regulations............just like the others.


Skyryder

Skyryder

[onearmedbandit]

Read post #69 Skyryder. And other larger bike forums I frequent take the piss and have plenty of humour, but none of this childish personal attack bullshit that we have here.

[Kickaha]

But it was self regulatory.

It hasn't ever been self regulating, I doubt you have any idea what amount of time and effort some of the mods put into this site and defusing some of the disputes between members

And in return sometimes they have to put up with abusive phone calls and threats of violence just because someone doesn't think the rules should apply to them and they would rather spout off about "PC bullshit and censorship blah blah blah" as an excuse for their piss poor behaviour

Most other forums I belong to would have seen a permanent ban for several of the main troublemakers here, Spankme is quite lenient in what he allows

[Finn]

Read post #69 Skyryder. And other larger bike forums I frequent take the piss and have plenty of humour, but none of this childish personal attack bullshit that we have here.

But none of those sites are in NZ. We're dufferunt mate. We're kuwi's und we call a spade a fucken cunt.

[inlinefour]

Read post #69 Skyryder. And other larger bike forums I frequent take the piss and have plenty of humour, but none of this childish personal attack bullshit that we have here.

Some people here at times preform like trained seals believing that everything is just a personal attack when if they had some form of sense of humor, they'd be handing it back and having a laugh. Like Finn said, this is NZ, not the rest of the world, however there are plenty in NZ who seem to think that NZ should follow the rest of the worlds lead? I agree that personal attacks are not acceptable, however too many times I have been talking about a post or an opinion and some moron has taken it as some sort of personal attack, blown it out of preportion and spat the dummy. Yes, we are aware of my past, but thats not what I'm talking about. I'm a tad concerned also that if your labelled as a shit stirrer, your immediately judged for it for the rest of time and everything you post is viewed with that in mind. I think everyone just needs to harden up, if you run the place like a kindy, don't be surprised if its treated like one... :Pokey:

edit: this is not a personal attack on anyone's character, posts or opinion and to be treated as such. Fark should I have this disclaimer on my sig there days???

[onearmedbandit]

Speaking for myself I don't give two hoots about whoevers history on the site. I think without exception everyone contributes to this site in a positive manner at some stage, you for example have been very supportive of helping other members out who are in need. But when posts are counterproductive to the site they will be dealt with.

Another point I'd like to clear up is that we are not trying to emulate other sites in the way we deal with problems. What you will find however is that a lot of the methods will be similar as they are proven to work. I belong to one of the largest motorcycle forums on the net, and it too went through exactly the same shit this site is experiencing. They dealt with it with heavy moderation. Guess what, the site became stronger. There is still plenty of piss-taking, humour and light hearted banter there, but almost no need for heavy moderation now because everyone knows what is acceptable and what isn't. The site has matured for a lack of better word.

The infraction system is here to stay. Like it or loathe it. Either deal with it or don't log on, it's that simple. I don't want to see anyone here leave because of it, but if they choose too it's their choice. The site will continue regardless.

[inlinefour]

Speaking for myself I don't give two hoots about whoevers history on the site. I think without exception everyone contributes to this site in a positive manner at some stage, you for example have been very supportive of helping other members out who are in need. But when posts are counterproductive to the site they will be dealt with.

Another point I'd like to clear up is that we are not trying to emulate other sites in the way we deal with problems. What you will find however is that a lot of the methods will be similar as they are proven to work. I belong to one of the largest motorcycle forums on the net, and it too went through exactly the same shit this site is experiencing. They dealt with it with heavy moderation. Guess what, the site became stronger. There is still plenty of piss-taking, humour and light hearted banter there, but almost no need for heavy moderation now because everyone knows what is acceptable and what isn't. The site has matured for a lack of better word.

The infraction system is here to stay. Like it or loathe it. Either deal with it or don't log on, it's that simple. I don't want to see anyone here leave because of it, but if they choose too it's their choice. The site will continue regardless.

I don't think I'd want to be a mod either with whats going on. I think I'll leave it at that and move on. Peace. :calm:

[Ixion]

One very big difference between forums of the sort you instance, and Kiwibiker is what is displayed right at the top of the screen .

"A site for all New Zealand motorcyclists".

Now, if you include "all" New Zealand motorcyclists, you are going to get a very wide cross section.

And not ALL New Zealand motorcyclists consider motorcycling to begin and end with sprotsbikes. Some actually prefer crusiers. Some even ride scooters. Some go so far as to have other interests beyond who got their knee down where, and who pulled the longest wheelie.

The forums you instance are , I'm picking , much more specific. And there is a part of KB that thinks that "all" word shouldn't be there. Or, think it should be there because whoever isn't a sprotsbike rider isn't really a motorcyclist, maybe. Inclusion is a hard thing for many people to cope with - they prefer their world to contain only people like themsleves.

The infraction system, like all rule systems, is neither good nor bad in itself. If used fairly , to set limits to behaviour that make the board a bad place for "All" New Zealand motorcyclists , then it is a good thing. (Incidentally, one of the best sites I know, has just that as its only rule -'Don't make the board a bad place')

If used as a weapon, to single out those who for one reason or other are "out of favour", or to "get rid" of those whose motorcycling doesn't fit a certain specification , then it is a bad thing.

However, at the end of the day, it is only the Internet. Life, and the site will indeed go on. Whether it is the *same* site may be another matter. And whether, if it is not, that is a good or bad thing, will obviously depend on individual viewpoints.

I too have seen this sort of thing on many forums. I have belonged (and technically still do belong: though I seldom visit, and then just for a brief look ) to at least a dozen where it has happened. The site has been "taken over" by a clique. Those who disagree are "encouraged to leave" (usually in much the terms you present). The sites go on, and doubtless much to the satisfaction of the remaining members.

The road goes on regardless of what happens on the Internet.

[onearmedbandit]

Sure one of the sites I make mention of is a sportsbike site, but it caters for all tastes with off-road and cruiser sections for example. And there will always be clashes between the different styles, but these sites (and by that I mean the members) handle it in a much less destructive manner that what we see here.

[scumdog]

[QUOTE=onearmedbandit;779144
The infraction system is here to stay. Like it or loathe it. Either deal with it or don't log on, it's that simple. I don't want to see anyone here leave because of it, but if they choose too it's their choice. The site will continue regardless.[/QUOTE]

That sums it up perfectly, good one!!:yeah: :niceone:

[Skyryder]

Read post #69 Skyryder. And other larger bike forums I frequent take the piss and have plenty of humour, but none of this childish personal attack bullshit that we have here.

So who determines what's the difference a piss take and the childish personal attack bullshit.

From where I am some of my posts could be atributed as being both.

This site has an army of moderators. And why? because there are so many rules and they keep changing all the time.

There needs only to be two responses.

1 If you don't like the poster use the IGNORE BUTTON

2 Behave yourself (Skyryder) or whoever you are or it's off to the SIN BIN.

It's all so simple.

All this deleting posts shifting posts to the 'politically correct' forum etc is unnessecary.

At the end of the day OAB is let a thread takes it 'natural' course and if a bit of bullshit, personal attacks or other kinds of 'how's your father' gets into the discussion so be it.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

It hasn't ever been self regulating, I doubt you have any idea what amount of time and effort some of the mods put into this site and defusing some of the disputes between members

And in return sometimes they have to put up with abusive phone calls and threats of violence just because someone doesn't think the rules should apply to them and they would rather spout off about "PC bullshit and censorship blah blah blah" as an excuse for their piss poor behaviour

Most other forums I belong to would have seen a permanent ban for several of the main troublemakers here, Spankme is quite lenient in what he allows

When I first started posting there was no Sin Bin. The site was self regulatory in as much as no kind of 'punishment' was meted out. I amwell aware of some of the kind of stuff that went on behind the scenes. No excuse for it, none at all.

But what makes this or should I say 'use' to make this forum so exciting is from the 'troublemakers.' Those that calls, as Finn so correctly says, as spade is a cunt. There's some realy good humour goes on with the 'troublemakers,' that makes this site so unique. And it's got fucked up because some can't handle it.

Skyryder

[scumdog]

When I first started posting there was no Sin Bin. The site was self regulatory in as much as no kind of 'punishment' was meted out. I amwell aware of some of the kind of stuff that went on behind the scenes. No excuse for it, none at all.

But what makes this or should I say 'use' to make this forum so exciting is from the 'troublemakers.' Those that calls, as Finn so correctly says, as spade is a cunt. There's some realy good humour goes on with the 'troublemakers,' that makes this site so unique. And it's got fucked up because some can't handle it.

Skyryder

I thought early on there WAS a sin=bin type arrangement? Like back in 2003-2004.

And some 'troublemakers' are just wanking prats full of their own juvenile bullshit self importance and spouting pre-pubescent 'humour', that form of 'unique' I can do without.

Still, they make the rest of us look good.

[WINJA]

I thought early on there WAS a sin=bin type arrangement? Like back in 2003-2004.

And some 'troublemakers' are just wanking prats full of their own juvenile bullshit self importance and spouting pre-pubescent 'humour', that form of 'unique' I can do without.

Still, they make the rest of us look good.

THERE WAS BLAKAMIN SENT ME THERE FOR A MONTH THE CUNT AND THEN HE FUCKED OFF HIMSELF.

HEY SCUMMY WANNA HELP ME FIX MY ROOF

[Finn]

THERE WAS BLAKAMIN SENT ME THERE FOR A MONTH THE CUNT AND THEN HE FUCKED OFF HIMSELF.

I heard he disappeared the weekend he helped you fix your roof.

[scumdog]

THERE WAS BLAKAMIN SENT ME THERE FOR A MONTH THE CUNT AND THEN HE FUCKED OFF HIMSELF.

HEY SCUMMY WANNA HELP ME FIX MY ROOF

You only need a roof if it rains so why are you wanting it fixed?
It's a nice sunny day at the moment.

[inlinefour]

HELP ME FIX MY ROOF

you supply the piss and I'll bring my hammer on the scooter weekend. Is it OK if we turn up Fri arvo/evening?

[onearmedbandit]

So who determines what's the difference a piss take and the childish personal attack bullshit. Commonsense does

From where I am some of my posts could be atributed as being both.

This site has an army of moderators. And why? because there are so many rules and they keep changing all the time. Really, this I didn't realise

There needs only to be two responses.

1 If you don't like the poster use the IGNORE BUTTON

2 Behave yourself (Skyryder) or whoever you are or it's off to the SIN BIN.

It's all so simple.

All this deleting posts shifting posts to the 'politically correct' forum etc is unnessecary.

At the end of the day OAB is let a thread takes it 'natural' course and if a bit of bullshit, personal attacks or other kinds of 'how's your father' gets into the discussion so be it. That's not how Spankme see's it, and it's his house

Skyryder

Like it or loathe it, it's here to stay until Spankme says otherwise. Don't like it, set up your own site. Oh that's right, it's already been done, but with more rules.

[WINJA]

you supply the piss and I'll bring my hammer on the scooter weekend. Is it OK if we turn up Fri arvo/evening?

ITLL BE DONE BY THEN , I WANNA MAKE IT A LAZY WEEKEND ANYWAY, FRI IS FINE , YOU DONT MIND SLEEPING WITH A GSXR1000 I HOPE

[MattRSK]

Love song for the dear departed
Head stone for the broken hearted
Arms to kill
Or flowers to steal
Head trip for the mortal earthbound
One sip of the blood that I found
Lying here
Im dying here

[Quasievil]

Like it or loathe it, it's here to stay until Spankme says otherwise. Don't like it, set up your own site. Oh that's right, it's already been done, but with more rules.

Nah not really all pretty simple, dont have any issues at all, got 206 members there and all is nice and sweet, Im sure that will change, but we have some of the more (no offense guys) colourful members of KB on our site and they are fine there...so far.

The below rules are it, nothing else. I thought if we got them clear at the start everyone would know and that would make it easier and better for everyone, we dont have any Mods either.
(oh and this aint an add)

1/ No Religion related threads or Posts
2/ No Political related threads or posts
3/ No Racial remarks slurs or otherwise
4/ No Abuse of another member
5/ No Threatening Behavour
6/ No Offensive images (ie Hard Porn)
7/ No Spaming unless you have asked and had permission granted by me only
8/ No Posting in incorrect forums
9/ No Shouting ie CAPS on
10/ No Offensive member names or Avatars

[Waylander]

1/ No Religion related threads or Posts
2/ No Political related threads or posts
3/ No Racial remarks slurs or otherwise
4/ No Abuse of another member
5/ No Threatening Behavour
6/ No Offensive images (ie Hard Porn)
7/ No Spaming unless you have asked and had permission granted by me only
8/ No Posting in incorrect forums
9/ No Shouting ie CAPS on
10/ No Offensive member names or Avatars
You forgot one.
11/ no cruisers.:Pokey:

[Waylander]

It's in the title. Why would a cruiser rider join a forum called Sportbikes.

[Sniper]

It's in the title. Why would a cruiser rider join a forum called Sportbikes.

Personal choice then mate. He doesnt mention it in the rules which (as far as Im concerned) thats its not illegal for cruiser riders to join

[inlinefour]

ITLL BE DONE BY THEN , I WANNA MAKE IT A LAZY WEEKEND ANYWAY, FRI IS FINE , YOU DONT MIND SLEEPING WITH A GSXR1000 I HOPE

Can sleep in the van also if needed... :beer:

[Lou Girardin]

1/ No Religion related threads or Posts
2/ No Political related threads or posts
3/ No Racial remarks slurs or otherwise
4/ No Abuse of another member
5/ No Threatening Behavour
6/ No Offensive images (ie Hard Porn)
7/ No Spaming unless you have asked and had permission granted by me only
8/ No Posting in incorrect forums
9/ No Shouting ie CAPS on
10/ No Offensive member names or Avatars

What's left?

[Skyryder]

Nah not really all pretty simple, dont have any issues at all, got 206 members there and all is nice and sweet, Im sure that will change, but we have some of the more (no offense guys) colourful members of KB on our site and they are fine there...so far.

The below rules are it, nothing else. I thought if we got them clear at the start everyone would know and that would make it easier and better for everyone, we dont have any Mods either.
(oh and this aint an add)

1/ No Religion related threads or Posts
2/ No Political related threads or posts
3/ No Racial remarks slurs or otherwise
4/ No Abuse of another member
5/ No Threatening Behavour
6/ No Offensive images (ie Hard Porn)
7/ No Spaming unless you have asked and had permission granted by me only
8/ No Posting in incorrect forums
9/ No Shouting ie CAPS on
10/ No Offensive member names or Avatars

When it's put that way, makes KB sound positive cool.

Got any members??

[Quasievil]

What's left?

Bikes what the fuck else

[Scouse]

Nah not really all pretty simple, dont have any issues at all, got 206 members there and all is nice and sweet, Im sure that will change, but we have some of the more (no offense guys) colourful members of KB on our site and they are fine there...so far.

The below rules are it, nothing else. I thought if we got them clear at the start everyone would know and that would make it easier and better for everyone, we dont have any Mods either.
(oh and this aint an add)

1/ No Religion related threads or Posts
2/ No Political related threads or posts
3/ No Racial remarks slurs or otherwise
4/ No Abuse of another member
5/ No Threatening Behavour
6/ No Offensive images (ie Hard Porn)
7/ No Spaming unless you have asked and had permission granted by me only
8/ No Posting in incorrect forums
9/ No Shouting ie CAPS on
10/ No Offensive member names or AvatarsJust had a look there is a whole 5 members online at the sb site wow thats popular must be because of all the crap rules

[Skyryder]

I thought early on there WAS a sin=bin type arrangement? Like back in 2003-2004.

And some 'troublemakers' are just wanking prats full of their own juvenile bullshit self importance and spouting pre-pubescent 'humour', that form of 'unique' I can do without.

Still, they make the rest of us look good.

Nothing unique about my sense of humor. Pure Freezing Works, and working class...............right down there in the muck.....................that rhymes with.....................'uck.' Read into that what you will. :2thumbsup


Skyryder

[Quasievil]

Just had a look there is a whole 5 members online at the sb site wow thats popular must be because of all the crap rules

thanks for that ZXer, I think it relates to the infraction thing because we havent had any infractions given out yet....touch wood, point is that with the site usage rules clearly in place there are no issues with grey areas.
Its a fact that politices and religion has caused the most conflict on KB so we excluded those subjects for a valid reason.
We thought about it and that was the rules we thought would bring most harmony to the site.and it does.

I think however your angle like others is to discredit me as much as you can for whatever reason..........perhaps I have upset you???? need a shoulder????
Its normal in NZ that when anyone tries to do something new or different there will always be those that will go out of their way to be sinical they will usually rant and rave about how bad something is without any knowledge of what they are talking about or even knowing the person who is trying it, its one of the more negative traits amongst some Kiwi's who feel threatened by change or perhaps they fear the unknown, whatever the reason is I had always expected to see it from that particular breed of Kiwi here on KB and the last few posts reinforces that.

[Skyryder]

Its normal in NZ that when anyone tries to do something new or different there will always be those that will go out of their way to be sinical they will usually rant and rave about how bad something is without any knowledge of what they are talking about or even knowing the person who is trying it, its one of the more negative traits amongst some Kiwi's who feel threatened by change or perhaps they fear the unknown, whatever the reason is I had always expected to see it from that particular breed of Kiwi here on KB and the last few posts reinforces that.

Not in the New Zealand I live in. Those who crow about the tall poppy syndrome and how it is alive and well in kiwi land are those who are unable to answer valid criticisms. We as a nation and a people have applauded those who break the trends and the rules. It is when those in control ride roughshod over the less fortunate and take away their freedoms that some rise up and do something about it. Wait for my new thread FUCK THE RULES. It's a 'boner,' I kid you not.

Skyryder

[Quasievil]

It is when those in control ride roughshod over the less fortunate and take away their freedoms that some rise up and do something about it
Skyryder

:buggerd: :buggerd:

Fuck are you for real ??

[Skyryder]

:buggerd: :buggerd:

Fuck are you for real ??

I was the last time I looked in the mirrow. :jerry:

Skyryder

[Finn]

Wait for my new thread FUCK THE RULES. It's a 'boner,' I kid you not.

Skyryder

Well, come on, we're waiting...

[inlinefour]

Wait for my new thread FUCK THE RULES. It's a 'boner,' I kid you not.

Skyryder

Awaiting and ready, sarh!!! :jerry: :lol:

[Skyryder]

Well, come on, we're waiting...

Posted but taken off.

Skyryder:calm:

[dawnrazor]

Whilst I agree with the "wrong forum" infraction rule, it is clearly not very well maintained, if your going to have laws - then enforce them for everyone - otherwise don't bother

[onearmedbandit]

Got an example?

[SpankMe]

Whilst I agree with the "wrong forum" infraction rule, it is clearly not very well maintained, if your going to have laws - then enforce them for everyone - otherwise don't bother

Use the "report post" button.

[Joni]

Got an example?Yup - it would be me that got his knickers in a twist... still dont get why... :spudwhat:

If you need details OAB I will pm ya...

[dawnrazor]

Yup - it would be me that got his knickers in a twist... still dont get why... :spudwhat:

If you need details OAB I will pm ya...

My knickers aren't in a twist...thats the way they come out of the tumble dryer...In fact I ultimately agree with your decision, I just feel the application of the infractions is a little hit and miss and that alot of posts slip through the net...but now I know what the report post button is for *ahem* I'll use it...all is well

[Joni]

Yup - any thread you feel does not belong there - just report it and a Mod will have a look... and as I did with you make a decision if it belongs there or not.

[dawnrazor]

Yup - any thread you feel does not belong there - just report it and a Mod will have a look... and as I did with you make a decision if it belongs there or not.

Thats what I get for posting at 7.30am on a sunday morning then, no one else around to distract the mods - you where all over that like white on rice LOL

[Joni]

Nah I was just waiting to go to Ruapuna and my mind was on racing so I saw "Rossi on pole" and I thought hmmm whats this then? :innocent:

[dawnrazor]

Nah I was just waiting to go to Ruapuna and my mind was on racing so I saw "Rossi on pole" and I thought hmmm whats this then? :innocent:

Yeah and he went and...well actually I'd better not say, 'cus that would certainly get me hobbled by anyone who hasn't heard yet

[dawnrazor]

In fact I could be accussed of bring the thread off topic with that one as well LOL

[onearmedbandit]

My knickers aren't in a twist...thats the way they come out of the tumble dryer...In fact I ultimately agree with your decision, I just feel the application of the infractions is a little hit and miss and that alot of posts slip through the net...but now I know what the report post button is for *ahem* I'll use it...all is well


Yep, makes it easier if you do use the report post button. We're not perfect and will miss some.

[Squeak the Rat]

I was going to use the 'report post' button once but it gave me the following warning:
Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising messages, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. so I didn't use it.....

So, what are the infraction points for misuse of the report post system? I was going to report the above post (for no reason) to find out the hard way....but was too chicken:killingme

[dawnrazor]

Well I have just used the repost button twice...............and that was half an hour ago..............and I'm obviously wrong or else the mods are very busy or else "happy birthday threads" do belong in "sportsbike forums!!!!:dodge:

[onearmedbandit]

It's been moved. Unfortunately being a moderator here doesn't pay very well so we have to work second jobs, which means we have less time for our true calling, ie reading every thread on this site looking for infringements.

[mstriumph]

Well this will make KB really boring won't it. I think I'll go join that white suppremist forum that Quasi or one of the other simpletons mentioned ............ At least I can speak my mind there and I'm sure some of them are bikers so we'll have that in common.

Later puppets

that's even MORE boring - i looked :yes:

THERE you can't talk about anything but motorcycles - i mean, we ALL love 'em but it would make conversation a bit stilted, no?

personally, i LIKE the irreverant [and mostly irrelevant] posts and post hijacks on KB ........... it'd be a sad, sad day if we were all beige and compliant :innocent:

think again Finn - you KNOW you want to!

[Quasievil]

Well I have just used the repost button twice...............and that was half an hour ago..............and I'm obviously wrong or else the mods are very busy or else "happy birthday threads" do belong in "sportsbike forums!!!!:dodge:


Dont think there has been a happy birthday thread in the SB forums ya cheeky prick

[dawnrazor]

It's been moved. Unfortunately being a moderator here doesn't pay very well so we have to work second jobs, which means we have less time for our true calling, ie reading every thread on this site looking for infringements.

Thanks OAB, this is not something I plan to make a habit of doing...but nice to see the system works


Dont think there has been a happy birthday thread in the SB forums ya cheeky prick

So if thats the case what did OAB move? Or are you calling him a prick as well.

So just to clarify there was a thread infringemnet in the sport/roadbike forum of kiwibiker, which OAB dealt with, so where the hell does quasievel get off calling me a cheeky prick.....unless you thought I was refering to YOUR website....but that can't be right 'cus last time I looked in there, all I saw was tumbleweed.

[onearmedbandit]

I think he was taking the piss mate, don't worry.

[Quasievil]

You made your comment whilst hiding behind the comical face dodging tomatoes, one could assume you where being candid, lighten up

[Squeak the Rat]

so where the hell does quasievel get off calling me a cheeky prick

Report his post :rofl:


:jerry:

[inlinefour]

Are they left there or do they get deleted? Have one that has reciently expired (today), however its still listed there as expired. My number of points has gone down as a result but wil the expired infractions remain there? :shit:

[Joni]

Yup they still reflect - the points just become voided.

[dawnrazor]

You made your comment whilst hiding behind the comical face dodging tomatoes, one could assume you where being candid, lighten up

okay your right...hey at least you didn't call me a cheeky darkie

[The Pastor]

hey im on 21 points and now I can't use rep? Is there anything else I can't do? I thought the first level was 30 points?

[doc]

Moderators seem to be L/cpl"s in the army, first chance at power for some, like to feel in control, makes or breaks some of them. Maybe we should have an "Abuse of power" button ?

[Hitcher]

Some people just like to post random crap and slag off others without thinking first. Maybe we should have a "shut the fuck up" button.

[Waylander]

Some people just like to post random crap and slag off others without thinking first. Maybe we should have a "shut the fuck up" button.
Isn't that called the ignore button?

[Hitcher]

I was thinking something a little less genteel. Something, perhaps, more Canadian.

[The Pastor]

Why can't I use the rep? im only on 21 points not 30!

[BuFfY]

Why can't I use the rep? im only on 21 points not 30!

They don't want you to share your love with anyone?

[The Pastor]

They don't want you to share your love with anyone?

just between you can me, I think some of my posts are getting deleted.

Nice one mods, im the only one posting ON FREEKING TOPIC and somone moves my posts.

[Mom]

just between you can me, I think some of my posts are getting deleted.

Nice one mods, im the only one posting ON FREEKING TOPIC and somone moves my posts.

Just between you and me.......I would not be at all surprised to know some of your posts have been deleted.........have you ever stopped and read some of the shit that you post?........stop being a pain and get back to your studies........please :sunny:

Mind you the other option is you will gain more and more infractions and be prevented from posting altogether, you would not want that would you? Hmmm decisions, decisions

[The Pastor]

Just between you and me.......I would not be at all surprised to know some of your posts have been deleted.........have you ever stopped and read some of the shit that you post?........stop being a pain and get back to your studies........please :sunny:

Mind you the other option is you will gain more and more infractions and be prevented from posting altogether, you would not want that would you? Hmmm decisions, decisions

Yes, but im posting ontopic of,


Why can't I use the rep? It says in the first post that I should be able to use rep up until 30 points, I currently have 21 points and I can no longer use rep.

Have the rules changed or somthing?

This seems to be the only thing I have lost.

Rm

Edit, I can no longer see who gave me the rep in usercp

[Hitcher]

Hmmm. Maybe the system has a "twat" factor that automatically adjusts the rep weightings...

[Patrick]

Anyone else notice how this last page belonged to another thread...??? Suddenly moved to this one for some reason??? By error, I'm picking... unless we have been infracted..??? Te hee...

Used to be in the "Lying Pig" thread... the whole page!!!

[Chrislost]

User Infractions allow mods to issure yellow/red cards to users.


Infraction Types:
<table width="500"><tr><td>Title</td><td>Points</td><td>Expires</td></tr><tr><td>Posted in incorrect forum</td><td>2</td><td>1 Months</td></tr><tr><td>Taking thread off topic</td><td>2</td><td>1 Months</td></tr><tr><td>Image/Avatar not censored</td><td>4</td><td>2 Months</td></tr><tr><td>Excessive Inappropriate Language</td><td>6</td><td>3 Months</td></tr><tr><td>Abusive To Other Member(s)</td><td>8</td><td>3 Months</td></tr><tr><td>Being abusive to Moderator</td><td>10</td><td>4 Months</td></tr></table>

There are three levels of restriction

First level (30 points) users loose. Uploading (Attachments/Profile Pictures/Avatars/Signature Image)
Use Reputation
Vote on Polls
Set Self to Invisible Mode
Use Custom Title

Second level (60 points) users loose. (along with above) Private Messages
Post calendar events
Use Signatures
View Member Info
Arcade access

Third level (100 points) users loose. (along with above) Downloading Attachments
View calendar events
Edit Own Profile
All posts moderated

When you receive an infraction it will be listed in your User CP above your rep and you will also receive a PM.

This setup will be fined tuned over time. If things change, I will update this post.

why is it worse to be abusive to the mods then to a normal member?
isnt this favoritism?

[enigma51]

why is it worse to be abusive to the mods then to a normal member?
isnt this favoritism?

no just gay

[Virago]

why is it worse to be abusive to the mods then to a normal member?
isnt this favoritism?

The mods are basically referees.

The cardinal rule - "Don't abuse the ref".

That's the way it should be too.

[ZeroIndex]

User Infractions allow mods to issure yellow/red cards to users.

Each infraction type has an expiration time. When the infraction expires, the associated points are removed from the user's point total.

Infraction types can be given as warnings. A warning does not add any infraction points to the user's point total.

When a certain number of points is reached the user will loose site permissions.

Infraction Types:
<table width="500"><tr><td>Title</td><td>Points</td><td>Expires</td></tr><tr><td>Posted in incorrect forum</td><td>2</td><td>1 Months</td></tr><tr><td>Taking thread off topic</td><td>2</td><td>1 Months</td></tr><tr><td>Image/Avatar not censored</td><td>4</td><td>2 Months</td></tr><tr><td>Excessive Inappropriate Language</td><td>6</td><td>3 Months</td></tr><tr><td>Abusive To Other Member(s)</td><td>8</td><td>3 Months</td></tr><tr><td>Being abusive to Moderator</td><td>10</td><td>4 Months</td></tr></table>

There are three levels of restriction

First level (30 points) users loose. Uploading (Attachments/Profile Pictures/Avatars/Signature Image)
Use Reputation
Vote on Polls
Set Self to Invisible Mode
Use Custom Title

Second level (60 points) users loose. (along with above) Private Messages
Post calendar events
Use Signatures
View Member Info
Arcade access

Third level (100 points) users loose. (along with above) Downloading Attachments
View calendar events
Edit Own Profile
All posts moderated

When you receive an infraction it will be listed in your User CP above your rep and you will also receive a PM.

This setup will be fined tuned over time. If things change, I will update this post.


This is Sidewinders last post until next month, PS Hitcher, please don't pointless drivel this like all of sidewinders posts... people need to see this and decide for themselves
<img src=http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c108/ZeroIndex/Sidewindersday.jpg>

[Hitcher]

This is Sidewinders last post until next month, PS Hitcher, please don't pointless drivel this like all of sidewinders posts... people need to see this and decide for themselves


People who read the Drivel Post can see the complete and unexpurgated recent works of Sidewinder. Pointless Drivel is where they belong and where, for the sake of completeness and to the spirit of the threads they contaminated, they were put. Act like an arse, get treated like one.

[Chisanga]

People who read the Drivel Post can see the complete and unexpurgated recent works of Sidewinder. Pointless Drivel is where they belong and where, for the sake of completeness and to the spirit of the threads they contaminated, they were put. Act like an arse, get treated like one.

I agree totally.Was bloody annoying having all the new posts coming up as Sidewinders. C'mon what did he expect would happen?

[ZeroIndex]

I agree totally.Was bloody annoying having all the new posts coming up as Sidewinders. C'mon what did he expect would happen?

we were laughing... :killingme

[Steam]

I agree totally.Was bloody annoying having all the new posts coming up as Sidewinders. C'mon what did he expect would happen?


Yep, a dig is fine, a campaign of harassment is something else.

[Chisanga]

we were laughing... :killingme

You and him maybe... I was annoyed, as I am sure were others here.

[ZeroIndex]

You and him maybe... I was annoyed, as I am sure were others here.

Possibly some helpful advice: If you don't want to read a post, don't open it?

[Hitcher]

Here's some more "helpful" advice. Post crap, especially in otherwise useful threads, and it will get PDed. Attack or systematically bully a member, and you'll get infracted. Do it repeatedly and the consequences will be cumulative. Capiche?

Kiwi Biker's members deserve better than a poorly executed episode of Beavis and Butthead.

[Chisanga]

Possibly some helpful advice: If you don't want to read a post, don't open it?

Are you telepathic? Usually it is AFTER I have read a post that I decide that I didin't want to read it :)

I guess we can agree to disagree... I don't want to argue about this anymore

[Steam]

Possibly some helpful advice: If you don't want to read a post, don't open it?

Hah! That's the dumbest impossible advice I have read on here for ages. How do you tell you don't want to read a post before you open it? Nice work Zero!:clap: :weird:

[ZeroIndex]

Here's some more "helpful" advice. Post crap, especially in otherwise useful threads, and it will get PDed. Attack or systematically bully a member, and you'll get infracted. Do it repeatedly and the consequences will be cumulative. Capiche?

Kiwi Biker's members deserve better than a poorly executed episode of Beavis and Butthead.
oooh Capiche? you Italian mafia?

Are you telepathic? Usually it is AFTER I have read a post that I decide that I didin't want to read it :)

I guess we can agree to disagree... I don't want to argue about this anymore

That's like when you're doing something "not completely in the law" with a bike, and you see sirens, and then think "if only i hadn't just done that"?

[Chisanga]

That's like when you're doing something "not completely in the law" with a bike, and you see sirens, and then think "if only i hadn't just done that"?

No. Not really the same thing at all really.

[ZeroIndex]

No. Not really the same thing at all really.

So more of a drinking too much alcohol, throwing up and regretting it the next day, or you make yourself a coffee, and then decide you don't want it?

[Steam]

ZeroIndex gives me the third Red Rep he's given me (serial red repper?), so here's some in return.

[ZeroIndex]

ZeroIndex gives me the third Red Rep he's given me (serial red repper?), so here's some in return.

You must spread some more rep before giving it to Steam again... LOL!!! :killingme

[Chisanga]

So more of a drinking too much alcohol, throwing up and regretting it the next day, or you make yourself a coffee, and then decide you don't want it?

I usually know why I drink booze, or make a coffee. Half the time I have no idea why I just clicked on a thread :)

[ZeroIndex]

I usually know why I drink booze, or make a coffee. Half the time I have no idea why I just clicked on a thread :)

lol, all good dude...

[Brian d marge]

u know you can red rep me any time

I even trade green for red . Look at the Map 1/2 of it is Red ... not green ( sue bradfords green u no )

Stephen

[Waylander]

Rob, even you cannot be as stupid as that. 3 pages of new posts that are no more than threads dredge up by him with posts full of that shit? Even Cowpoos didn't go that far.

I'm with Hitcher on this one though I don't agree with alot of what the mods are doing. Act like n ass and be treated like one.

[Patrick]

And don't type in capitals, or your arse will be infracted.... 2 points that last for 1 month.... if anyone gives a rats.....

[Joni]

Patrick reason for the infraction... might pay to read through this in the site rules thread:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=883374&postcount=2

[Patrick]

Read them (and there are a few)... I WAS shouting.... making a point, nothing more... but hey... it will have healed by the month...

[avgas]

Are things really that bad?
Or are we designing Kiwibiker for the under 5?
I only come on here to swear and curse.
Think of the Stones that will not be drunk on KB!!!!!

[SPman]

Are things really that bad?
Or are we designing Kiwibiker for the under 5?

.......................:shutup::shutup::shutup::sh utup::shutup:

[Patrick]

.......................:shutup::shutup::shutup::sh utup::shutup:

wot 'e sed..... (note... no caps...)

[Toaster]

Hmmm. Maybe the system has a "twat" factor that automatically adjusts the rep weightings...

Mate, that is the funniest thing I have read in ages! I need to go change my pants.....

[Brian d marge]

OI GIMME RED ( RED )

I like that color I do ............

:yes:

Stephen