Biker down: Murrays Bay, Auckland - what the heck happened??? (17 August) [Archive]

WildBoarMouse

17th August 2006, 08:19

Does anyone know what happened? Why did he get back on and ride off only to hit a parked car???

NZ Police CommCens Alert 23:00 16-08-2006 North Shore Waitekere Rodney
Location of incident: Sunrise Rd, Murrays Bay
Incident Type: Fatal crash

A 36 year old North Shore man has died after the motorcyle he was riding collided with the rear of a parked unattended car. He died at the scene as a result of injuries sustained in the crash.Prior to the collision the rider had fallen off the motorcycle on East Coast Rd near Rangitoto College. He was assisted back on his motorcycle and rode down the hill and into Sunrise Rd where he collided with the car.The Serious Crash Unit is investigating the incident.

WickedOne

17th August 2006, 08:54

Sounds a bit suspect.....

KATWYN

17th August 2006, 08:55

He was assisted back on his motorcycle and rode down the hill and into Sunrise Rd where he collided with the car..

Oh thats terrible. Perhaps he had some sort of head injury? or just dazed.
from the first crash

Rest in peace rider whoever you are, this is very sad

frogfeaturesFZR

17th August 2006, 09:02

RIP unknown rider, who the hell let him ride off if he was dazed/shocked anyway ?

Drunken Monkey

17th August 2006, 09:04

What a turkey...

Zukin

17th August 2006, 09:10

What a turkey...

That person you just called a Turkey is someones son, brother, best friend....
Regardless of what happended show a little respect please :bye:

Anyway why do people always speculate?
It is a sad loss to his friends and family

Scott

outlawtorn

17th August 2006, 09:10

tragic. condolences to his family and friends

Dooly

17th August 2006, 09:14

Thats just so much bad luck.
As said above, must of been dazed etc etc.

Drunken Monkey

17th August 2006, 09:19

That person you just called a Turkey is someones son, brother, best friend....
Regardless of what happended show a little respect please :bye:

Anyway why do people always speculate?
It is a sad loss to his friends and family

Scott

Didn't see you post that dribble in the Darwin awards thread. What, just because it's closer to home it suddenly becomes insenstive? Pfffft.

Patrick

17th August 2006, 10:48

Pissed, perhaps?

WickedOne

17th August 2006, 10:53

Pissed, perhaps?

That was my first thought... probably best to avoid speculation at this stage though, you wouldn't want to offend anyone.....

Patrick

17th August 2006, 10:56

That was my first thought... probably best to avoid speculation at this stage though, you wouldn't want to offend anyone.....

On here???? You're joking, right??????? Tis the norm, I thought...

ManDownUnder

17th August 2006, 11:05

Didn't see you post that dribble in the Darwin awards thread. What, just because it's closer to home it suddenly becomes insenstive? Pfffft.

Becomes insensitive - no. IS insensitive - yes. How could it not be insensitive - on second thoughts, no, don't answer that - it's not the time or place for a debate on it.

RIP to whoever it was... condolences to the family.,

TLDV8

17th August 2006, 11:16

At the end of the day,somebody will get a knock on the door they never wanted......

Godspeed fallen Rider.

Blackbird

17th August 2006, 11:56

At the end of the day,somebody will get a knock on the door they never wanted......

Godspeed fallen Rider.

Amen to that. Even if human failings were involved, it is still a tragedy.

As for the knock on the door, my best friend and workmate was killed in a motor accident a few years back. The police contacted me through our workplace and asked me to go and break the news to his family with them in attendance. Three children in their teens and a lovely wife and I had to tell them. You never want to do that more than once in your lifetime and I still sometimes cry about it in the small hours even though it was nearly 20 years ago. It changed the whole way I look at life. Yep, the knock on the door is very personal for me.

Ghost Lemur

17th August 2006, 13:56

What are the chances that rather than dying from hitting a parked car it's actually a case of him hitting the parked car due to him dying.

Ie the fatal injuries we sustained during the initial crash, and he was able to carry on purely on shock and adrenaline.

Condolences to the family. Irrespective of cause, the effect is the same. Someone has lost a loved one and today will never again be a good day for them.

If there is a lesson we can learn it may be, NEVER just jump back on the bike thinking we're ok to continue. Take a 5 minute breather, let the addrenaline and shock pass. Then proceed to make sure that our bikes and ourselves are fit to continue. Better to be late getting where we want to go than not get there at all.

Buster

17th August 2006, 14:22

R.I.P to the rider involved.

Be careful out there folks.

Karma

17th August 2006, 15:17

Not a good scenario. Might not have been the rider though, perhaps the inital bin damaged his brakes or something so he wasn't able to stop?

As mentioned previously, if you bin, make sure your bike and yourself are able to ride safely before moving off again.

mynameis

17th August 2006, 17:07

Amen to that. Even if human failings were involved, it is still a tragedy.

As for the knock on the door, my best friend and workmate was killed in a motor accident a few years back. The police contacted me through our workplace and asked me to go and break the news to his family with them in attendance. Three children in their teens and a lovely wife and I had to tell them. You never want to do that more than once in your lifetime and I still sometimes cry about it in the small hours even though it was nearly 20 years ago. It changed the whole way I look at life. Yep, the knock on the door is very personal for me.

Sad but true. That's reality and life. Those who have suffered loss of close friends or family will know and understand. Sympathy to their family. Guess time is the only healing factor though this is just the begining.

Could be various reasons again a man in his 30's drunk and riding. Chances are low, he could have been shaken from the first incident. I've been through that and many here would have also, not the best feeling. Sooner than later we will find out the reason.

But that again doesn't change anything. Loss has occured what others (we) can do is just learn from people mistakes.

Bless.

sbwells

17th August 2006, 17:22

oldrider

17th August 2006, 17:40

What a turkey...

When I read this post I thought he was referring to the person helping him onto his bike without checking for concussion or damage to the bike! :shit:

R.I.P. Biker whoever you were, you were one of us. :bye: John.

yungatart

17th August 2006, 17:46

RIp , young man
None of us know what happened here, but someone lost their life.... so somewhere a family wil be grieving. My thoughts and prayers are with them.

Qkchk

17th August 2006, 17:47

Ie the fatal injuries we sustained during the initial crash, and he was able to carry on purely on shock and adrenaline.

As mentioned previously, if you bin, make sure your bike and yourself are able to ride safely before moving off again.

I have seen that myself. When Qkkid came off his bike his wrist ended up looking like a s-bend but he was damn sure he was goin to get back on his bike and ride! 1 hour later the pain kicked in. Ever seen a man writhing in pain that he cant even walk? Not nice.

So yes this could of resulted from initial crash.

RIP Fallen Biker, (it always affect you even tho you dont/will never know them.) hope they have 2-wheels in heaven for ya.

jtzzr

17th August 2006, 17:49

SPman

17th August 2006, 17:56

I have seen that myself. When Qkkid came off his bike his wrist ended up looking like a s-bend but he was damn sure he was goin to get back on his bike and ride! 1 hour later the pain kicked in. Ever seen a man writhing in pain that he cant even walk? Not nice.

So yes this could of resulted from initial crash.

RIP Fallen Biker, (it always affect you even tho you dont/will never know them.) hope they have 2-wheels in heaven for ya.
Happened to me when I binned - I was hobbling around ok for a couple of hours - until I got back to Firefights - then had to have a wee lie down for a while...and was on crutches for 2 weeks!
Hopefully, we can find out something constructive from this poor guys tragedy....

MikeyG

17th August 2006, 19:30

Happened to me when I binned - I was hobbling around ok for a couple of hours - until I got back to Firefights - then had to have a wee lie down for a while...and was on crutches for 2 weeks!
Hopefully, we can find out something constructive from this poor guys tragedy....

Mee too. Walking around for about 4 hours with a broken neck (not a biking accident).

My condolences and best wishes to the family and friends.

Scorpygirl

17th August 2006, 19:37

RIP to the rider. Condolences to family and friends. Not nice to hear whatever the circumstances especially for some of us this week. Ride free!!

Drum

17th August 2006, 20:34

R.I.P Brother

gijoe1313

17th August 2006, 22:46

Tragic. Condolences to his family and friends, I hope our Biker Brother finds his piece of heaven somewhere - and gets to ride his two wheels up there. :bye: R.I.P

babyB

17th August 2006, 23:05

RIP fellow biker
condolences to the concerned

Dear Lord,
A word, if I may
I suppose one could say
This constitutes
An attempt to pray
Neither selfishness nor greed
Rather, a heartfelt need
For Asphalt Angels
To intercede

candor

17th August 2006, 23:10

The person who put him back on the bike won't be feeling good.

fishb8nz

18th August 2006, 03:36

http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/default.asp?id=64981
Whatever the reasons, it'a a sad and premature loss. RIP

Pex Adams

18th August 2006, 08:04

It was another tragic night last night

RIP Bro.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3767944a11,00.html

RantyDave

18th August 2006, 08:15

Poor guy. It looks like lesson for the day is: when falling off, spend ten minutes or so getting your shit back together before riding off.

RIP, mate.

Dave

Lou Girardin

18th August 2006, 08:21

That sucks, anyone know him?

Damn i hope he wasn't drunk :(

Why?
If he was drunk, it'll explain his actions. And I'll care less.

frogfeaturesFZR

18th August 2006, 08:49

He was still a biker Lou .......RIP

marty

18th August 2006, 09:07

Mr Nuttall said alcohol was suspected but police were waiting for blood tests to find out Mr Smith's blood-alcohol level.

hmmmm.

bobsmith

18th August 2006, 09:11

Damn, browns bay is just too close to home... Glad it's not a name that rings a bell to me.... RIP

[edit] - blood alchol levels shoud only take a couple of hours from specimen collection to result... wonder what the result was...

Zed

18th August 2006, 09:26

Always sad to hear. Interesting that the article mentions he fell off twice, first 250m up the same road and was helped back onto his bike by 2 bystanders, then he rode down the road and hit the car! :shit:

Zukin

18th August 2006, 09:35

I assume it is the same as this one? (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=34060)
If its another one, then what the heck is going on up there? :shit:

Ixion

18th August 2006, 09:41

Without passing any comment on the particular tragic circumstances (RIP brother) , it is worth mentioning that sometimes after a biff on the head you may think you feel fine, but will keep falling over (if on foot) or off (if on bike). Or collide with things.

Bashed the back of my head on a rock while riding a beach once years ago. Helmet went all squishy, but I felt fine. Except that in the few hundred easy yards getting off the beach I fell off 3 or 4 times, damn near fell off /ran off the road twice in the mile or so getting home, and then fell over and dropped the bike parking it when I did get there. And then fell over walking down the hallway. But I thought I felt fine! Just coordination and balance shot to hell.

So if you DO have an off (which God forbid) , don't just jump back on and steam off, if you've banged your bonce at all.

Proud2BANZER

18th August 2006, 09:42

What a turkey...

Nice thing to say about another biker

Luke

Bend-it

18th August 2006, 10:25

I have seen that myself. When Qkkid came off his bike his wrist ended up looking like a s-bend but he was damn sure he was goin to get back on his bike and ride! 1 hour later the pain kicked in. Ever seen a man writhing in pain that he cant even walk? Not nice.

Happened to me when I binned - I was hobbling around ok for a couple of hours - until I got back to Firefights - then had to have a wee lie down for a while...and was on crutches for 2 weeks!
Hopefully, we can find out something constructive from this poor guys tragedy....

Mee too. Walking around for about 4 hours with a broken neck (not a biking accident).

Yeah me too, I fell off a 14 storey building and died, but got up and walked around for 2 years before realising it. Now I'm in denial...:Punk:

Condolences to friends and family. :bye:

Jeaves

18th August 2006, 12:24

R.I.P pal :(

andrea

18th August 2006, 22:08

RIP fellow biker, it sux when something like this happens, poor guy. take care everyone and ride safe

awesker

19th August 2006, 09:40

Nicksta

19th August 2006, 11:38

sorry to hear dude... thoughts are with the family....

judecatmad

19th August 2006, 11:41

Talked to a friend, and his uncle worked with the guy and it turned out he was comin back from a night at the brownsie, he was drunk when he came off but said he was fine to the people who helped him up... left behind his family and kids.. pretty sad =/

be safe guys.

It's a sad thing to happen to anyone and my thoughts go out to all those who knew and loved him, but the saddest thing is he didn't have enough respect for himself or his family to get a taxi home.

quickbuck

19th August 2006, 11:54

I assume it is the same as this one? (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=34060)
If its another one, then what the heck is going on up there? :shit:

Yes, it is the same one. Your link goes back to the start of this thread.

Anyway, RIP to the Downed biker.

Drunken Monkey

20th August 2006, 14:21

Nice thing to say about another biker

Luke (et al)

Just because we have an activity in-common, it doesn't make us kindred bum-buddies. You're about as "fellow biker" to me as the next random idiot, I don't owe you or anyone else anything just because I also happen to ride a motorcycle.

I have 2 problems with this thread:

1. I don't see anyone giving 2 shits about people in other walks of life that pass away. I also don't see why 'sensitivity' is defined by geography. I've never seen a 'RIP' post for any of the KIA's in Bob's posts from the U.K., why is that?

2. I have absolutely no problem with people posting something from a personal experience, i.e. a friend, family member or colleague, but give these bloody comms reports about 'biker down' a freaking rest. I certainly wouldn't want any of my friends to find out an accident I may have been in 3rd hand from some twat I don't who posted it all over the website. Posting a copy of a fatal accident comms report serves no purpose what-so-ever. It's a report for the emergency services, keep it on their network and off this board.

Get some perspective.

Mr. Peanut

20th August 2006, 14:28

Mee too. Walking around for about 4 hours with a broken neck (not a biking accident).

My condolences and best wishes to the family and friends.

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Bussaman

20th August 2006, 17:29

[QUOTE=WildBoarMouse;721277]Does anyone know what happened? Why did he get back on and ride off only to hit a parked car???

He was as pissed as a chook, and had ridden from muriwai. ( god only knows how he made it that far ). He then wiped out turning from East Coast Road onto Sunrise ave (dry road??), and then was travelling at a whopping speed along Sunrise before he hit a parked car.

Oakie

20th August 2006, 20:33

Just because we have an activity in-common, it doesn't make us kindred bum-buddies. You're about as "fellow biker" to me as the next random idiot, I don't owe you or anyone else anything just because I also happen to ride a motorcycle.

I have 2 problems with this thread:

1. I don't see anyone giving 2 shits about people in other walks of life that pass away. I also don't see why 'sensitivity' is defined by geography. I've never seen a 'RIP' post for any of the KIA's in Bob's posts from the U.K., why is that?

2. I have absolutely no problem with people posting something from a personal experience, i.e. a friend, family member or colleague, but give these bloody comms reports about 'biker down' a freaking rest. I certainly wouldn't want any of my friends to find out an accident I may have been in 3rd hand from some twat I don't who posted it all over the website. Posting a copy of a fatal accident comms report serves no purpose what-so-ever. It's a report for the emergency services, keep it on their network and off this board.

Get some perspective.

No, having an activity in common doesn't make you 'kindred bum buddies' (thank God,) but it does make you 'fellow whatevers'. 'Fellow' just means associated by an activity. Doesn't mean you have to like the person or even sympathise with them. I mean, Richie McCaw and Loti Tuquiri (sp?) are fellow rugby players.

We don't give two shits about people in other walks of life who pass away? There have been a couple of threads about the Maori Queen this week (unless she rode the Tamaki brothers Harleys) in addition to recents posts on youth suicide, friends with cancer, Lebanon and even animals god-dammit. It is a motorcycle forum so most deaths we discuss will be bike related and that's entirely fair ... but we do journey into non bike deaths.

Comms Reports. Their use and interest is that they're generally pretty factual with no exageration or supposition. They may not have heaps of information but at least what is there is fairly reliable. And your friends probably won't identify you from the reports. There are generally only vague vehicle description ...no names or rego numbers.

There's my perspective.

race me!!!!

20th August 2006, 20:50

how many bike fatalitys have there been this year????
rip i guess!!!!!!!! but hey if you drink and ride you may as well be fucking around with a loaded gun!!!!
.................................................. ...............................

Street Gerbil

20th August 2006, 21:01

Biker Angel

By Paula M Wiles

Biker Angel please be my guide
As I climb on my bike to ride.
Let your halo guide the way,
And keep me safe from harm today.
Let your wings provide the wind and air,
And send it coursing through my hair.
Show to me a sunny place
And let it shine upon my face.
Keep the clouds and rain at bay
And keep me dry throughout the day.
Watch the brothers and sisters who ride with me,
Keep them safe and close to thee.
Keep my wheels upon the ground
So I’ll return home safe and sound.
But should disaster be my fate,
Guide me through to Heaven’s gate.
If I must join my fallen brethren,
Show me the way to Biker Heaven.

race me!!!!

20th August 2006, 21:16

Drunken Monkey

21st August 2006, 00:48

...He was as pissed as a chook, and had ridden from muriwai.....then wiped out turning from East Coast Road onto Sunrise ave (dry road??), and then was travelling at a whopping speed along Sunrise before he hit a parked car.

Definately a bloody turkey then...

Lou Girardin

21st August 2006, 08:10

I'm with drunken monkey here. Who gives a stuff if someone kills themselves in that fashion. I couldn't care if he was a biker, cager or psyclist. He broke all the rules and is dead. Tough!
I also am puzzled by all the expressions of deep regret because some stranger dies. 400 die each year on the roads, it'll keep you bloody busy weeping over all of them.

SDU

21st August 2006, 13:43

To some off us they are not all strangers.
Yes he may have been drinking & was wrong to drink/ride but he has paid the ultimate price & his family & friends are paying the price for his mistake also. RIP

Lou Girardin

21st August 2006, 13:50

Maybe not. When a KB'er dies I feel for him because of our link as members. When some stranger rides his bike into a ditch in central Otago, what's that to me?
Personally, I'd be more than happy to never see another thread about dead bikers. Unless it's one of us.

Ixion

21st August 2006, 13:56

biker sum: bikeri nil a me alienum puto

(Sorry Mr Hitcher)

Lou Girardin

21st August 2006, 14:04

biker sum: bikeri nil a me alienum puto

(Sorry Mr Hitcher)

Translation?

ManDownUnder

21st August 2006, 14:08

Ixion

21st August 2006, 14:49

Translation?

For thee? 'Tis nearly thy native tongue

A mangled epigram of Terentius (apologie sto his shade)

"I am a biker, and thus think nothing that affects any biker irrelevant to me."

Lou Girardin

21st August 2006, 15:18

For thee? 'Tis nearly thy native tongue

A mangled epigram of Terentius (apologie sto his shade)

"I am a biker, and thus think nothing that affects any biker irrelevant to me."

Io capisco. Grazie amici.

judecatmad

21st August 2006, 15:25

Just because we have an activity in-common, it doesn't make us kindred bum-buddies. You're about as "fellow biker" to me as the next random idiot, I don't owe you or anyone else anything just because I also happen to ride a motorcycle.

I have 2 problems with this thread:

1. I don't see anyone giving 2 shits about people in other walks of life that pass away. I also don't see why 'sensitivity' is defined by geography. I've never seen a 'RIP' post for any of the KIA's in Bob's posts from the U.K., why is that?

2. I have absolutely no problem with people posting something from a personal experience, i.e. a friend, family member or colleague, but give these bloody comms reports about 'biker down' a freaking rest. I certainly wouldn't want any of my friends to find out an accident I may have been in 3rd hand from some twat I don't who posted it all over the website. Posting a copy of a fatal accident comms report serves no purpose what-so-ever. It's a report for the emergency services, keep it on their network and off this board.

Get some perspective.

1. If your friends are hearing about your accident through a shared interests website first (when previously it's been reported on a newspaper's website) then I pity you cos you don't seem to have very good friends.
2. Any (normal) group of people with a shared interest will generally always share more than just that interest. You might not become best buddies, but there's a connection there.
3. If you're not interested in looking out for fellow bikers and sharing in their good times, bad times, ideas and questions, then why bother registering for, logging on to, and posting on a biking website? It's a lot of effort for a group of people who are:
about as "fellow biker" to me as the next random idiot

Get over yourself.

James Deuce

21st August 2006, 15:27

2 issues as I see it...

1) Drink driving... bloody idiot. No question of that
2) Despite the stupidity of what hapened, there is a need for moderation in commentary of the death of anyone. Love 'em, hate 'em or not even knowing them... someone cared... and they cared a lot.

Don't ruin it for them

Don't belittle yourself by trying. If you don't care about an individual/stranger, I'd ask for some moderation in comments in respect of those that died, those that ARE directly affected, and those that care.

What harm does it do?

The drunk driving issue is a big and very real one - take it up in another thread if appropriate - surely?

Hmmm. I see where you are coming from, but having been killed and resussed 8 times in an ambulance on the way to hospital thanks to a drunk, and my brother-in-law run over on the footpath at 17 and having his liver lacerated by a drunk I have no tolerance for drink driving. Despite comments in another thread, I REALLY have no tolerance.

The parked car could just have easily have been a mother pushing a push chair with baby in it and toddler standing on the back.

Drunk Driving is almost as selfish as suicide. I can't see that this individual warrants a single wasted tear.

Ixion you have a point, but this type of accident just affirms the non-motorcycling public's attitude to those stupid bikers. It's certainly not irrelevant, but it was pointless, stupid, and affects perception of the rest of us by a tiny but possibly not insignificant increment given the amount of institutional distaste for the noble art and science of motorcycling.

Drunken Monkey

21st August 2006, 15:38

1. Pointless jibberjabber

Yeah, like "whatever"....

2. Any (normal) group of people with a shared interest will generally always share more than just that interest. You might not become best buddies, but there's a connection there.

And your point is? Just because there is some sort of statistical or qualitative connection, it doesn't mean I need to treat this anonymous idiot any differently to a non-motorcycle riding idiot.

3. More 'I don't actually read posts' dribble...

Are you illiterate? Didn't you bloody well read my qualifier? I don't have a problem with with genuine, personal experiences to be shared with others. Like Lou said, you'd be bloody busy here all day shedding tears for all the people you never met who died in MVA's, let alone any other way of kicking the proverbial bucket.

Get over yourself.

Bite my ass you noob. Try reading posts properly before you (feebly) attempt to lay in to them and feed your superiority complex.

Lou Girardin

21st August 2006, 15:45

1.
3. If you're not interested in looking out for fellow bikers and sharing in their good times, bad times, ideas and questions, then why bother registering for, logging on to, and posting on a biking website? It's a lot of effort for a group of people who are:

The difference is that most of these RIP threads are about totally unknown people. Most aren't KB'ers (thank god).
It still strikes me as very strange. Perhaps people have so little personal contact with death these days that it's become fashionable to express grief at every occurance.

Ixion

21st August 2006, 15:51

Io capisco. Grazie amici.

Knew y'would. You're welcome

The Pastor

21st August 2006, 15:51

Sorry, ive actually just read this thread,

What a man, Instead of bitching about falling and getting to a hostpiable he picks up his bike and jumps back on (with assistance) and rides on! Ok maybe it wasnt the smartest choise(I think he may of had a concussion mixed with some adrenerlin that influenced his decion making skills), but he really did ride till he died. A true biker.

RIP fellow biker, RIP

Drunken Monkey

21st August 2006, 15:56

Is that the best you've got? I'm disappointed.

The_Dover

21st August 2006, 15:58

The difference is that most of these RIP threads are about totally unknown people. Most aren't KB'ers (thank god).
It still strikes me as very strange. Perhaps people have so little personal contact with death these days that it's become fashionable to express grief at every occurance.

I totally agree Lou.

I was having this conversation on Friday night. Does anyone really shed a tear when they hear about the death of a random stranger? Even if they did ride the same bike, wear the same underpants and drink the same horrendously overpriced european beer?

Being a biker doesn't give me any kind of hidden connection with other bikers, just a subject to talk shit about it the pub. No more so than playing the guitar or being a fan of Boyzone.

Is the outpouring of faux pseudo grief really necessary? You don't know anything else about that person other than they died on a motorbike. They could have a number of hidden interests or dark secrets that would make them your most loathed being.

If you know them then fair enough, there is a personal connection and the grief is understandable but there are plenty of other non bike related deaths that no one seems to be too affected by.

Lou Girardin

21st August 2006, 16:02

Anyone see the paradox in grieving about a dead biker, then telling a live biker to "go fuck himself"? :laugh:
We're a close knit group alright.

Ixion

21st August 2006, 16:02

Thing is , few , if any , of us are saints.

We have, I'm sure, all done stupid stuff . And, by the grace of the Biker Gods, gotten away with it. I know I have.

In this case someone who shared our interest, who rode the roads we ride, who any of us may perhaps have waved to , who felt the same wind in has face, was jolted by the same bumps, felt the same exhileration at a corner nicely taken; a brother in short; made a stupid decision . In his case the Biker Gods frowned, and he paid a terrible price.

The nature of that decision will temper any feeling of sympathy. But cannot remove the fact that one with whom I shared a pastime, a love, a world, is no more with us.

Faults and blemishes and warts and all, he was a biker, and I'll mourn his passing.

As, indeed I'll mourn the passing of any biker anywhere in teh world. But the closer to home it is, the more poignant.

RIP brother.

Lou Girardin

21st August 2006, 16:08

Trust Ixion to get all poetic on us.:weep:

Drunken Monkey

21st August 2006, 16:09

Anyone see the paradox in grieving about a dead biker, then telling a live biker to "go fuck himself"? :laugh:
We're a close knit group alright.

Maybe we're just getting old and her "irony" was lost on us?

The_Dover

21st August 2006, 16:19

Trust Ixion to get all poetic on us.:weep:

He's stoned again.

judecatmad

21st August 2006, 16:33

If retaliating to being told to piss off and to learn to read causes offence, then I'm dreadfully sorry......

However, what part of:

It's a sad thing to happen to anyone and my thoughts go out to all those who knew and loved him, but the saddest thing is he didn't have enough respect for himself or his family to get a taxi home.

is grieving for a dead biker?

Clearly it isn't just me who needs to learn to read :doh:

ManDownUnder

21st August 2006, 17:01

I totally agree Lou.

I was having this conversation on Friday night. Does anyone really shed a tear when they hear about the death of a random stranger? Even if they did ride the same bike, wear the same underpants and drink the same horrendously overpriced european beer?

Being a biker doesn't give me any kind of hidden connection with other bikers, just a subject to talk shit about it the pub. No more so than playing the guitar or being a fan of Boyzone.

Agreed 100%... problem is it doesn't undo (or take into account) any existing relationships that people DO have with the person that died. We need to be sensitive to those.

We've all done stupid stuff, God knows I have. Some of it was high risk, and I was (quote rightly) berated for it.

I think a condolences/RIP thread is entirely appropriate for those that want to post. Who am I to say they're wrong? Go for it. Awareness of the death, and in this case the contributing cause is a good thing. Don't get me wrong - I'm not shedding a tear for him... I didn't know him.

I'm simply not ruling out the fact there are others out there that ARE shedding a tear for him.

Is the outpouring of faux pseudo grief really necessary? You don't know anything else about that person other than they died on a motorbike. They could have a number of hidden interests or dark secrets that would make them your most loathed being.

If you know them then fair enough, there is a personal connection and the grief is understandable but there are plenty of other non bike related deaths that no one seems to be too affected by.
Fair points and good call.