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RantyDave
21st August 2006, 14:51
I've had the S4 for half a dozen tankfuls now, have started getting over the whole "w00t! my first 600!" thing and feel like putting some words down. In this time I've commuted lots, blatted a fair bit, and neither toured, track-day'ed nor raced. I will be though. Despite my best efforts, comments will need to be tempered in the light of the whole first 600 thing too.

So, the bike. Better in the flesh than in photographs. Wider than currently fashionable it's very much of the previous generation of inline fours - the tank is getting towards being spherical. The frame is three (I think) aluminium castings welded, beautifully, near the triple clamp and with a thick powder coated finish. Likewise much of the front end is cast and falls a bit short of the artistry found on something like a Tuono, but is certainly solid. Chrome is kept, thankfully, to a bare minimum. Gaps between (say) tank and frame, or tank and seat are a bit bigger than I might have hoped for but since almost all bikes seem to have this it's no doubt for a good reason. Other than this the build quality is just spectacular. Beautiful. Excellent machine porn for those of us that are into such things.

Suspension appears to be by Kayaba and is adjustable for preload, compression and rebound both front and rear. The tyres sit on standard three 'prong' cast rims and are a ... something up front and 180 section on the rear. The 180 is maybe a bit fatter than it really needs, but looks cool. The stock exhaust is huge, heavy and stainless but sounds the biz.

Sitting on the bike it was instantly much more comfortable than I was expecting. The seat is at the curvier/squishier end of the scale. Foot pegs fell to hand (well, to foot) naturally which is good since they don't appear to be adjustable. The brake pedal seems a bit narrower than I would have thought sensible. The width of the bike is absolutely not a problem - you don't notice it at all. On my bike the bars (clip on) have been extended by a few inches and to my considerable surprise the bike can be ridden with little or no weight on the wrists. It may be of sportsbike heritage but while it's by no means 'sit up and beg' it's quite a relaxed position and certainly not of the 'nose down, arse in air' school of motorcycle ergonomics. After a couple of hours I do get a bit achey round the hips and lower back, however.

Instrumentation is nothing to write home about, except the LCD speedo is much more legible than I had expected it to be. The tacho has the engine temperature permanently displayed - which is a bit ominous. Mine came with an aftermarket faceplate, which I have since replaced with the stock one. This process is a major pain in the arse and means that either the tach wasn't calibrated properly when I first got the bike, or isn't now. Either which way, what I'm saying is to take RPM figures with a pinch of salt (but not as much as you'd need for the new R6).

So, the engine. You get three engines with a speed four. The first goes from tickover to about 3.5k and is amazingly good for burbling around town. You can take off from the lights on tickover revs only, change up through the cogs on bugger all throttle and be gently trundling through town in top gear at about 60k all without leaving this bottom end. It's quiet and restrained. It's a blessing.

The second engine goes up to about 8k and is markedly noisier and much more responsive to the throttle although it could definitely use some more torque. If you want to overtake quickly below about 6k you're going to need to change down a cog or two, although if you can't be arsed you'll still have no problem ... it'll just take a few seconds longer.

The second engine blends nicely into the third starting at about 7k. The first you know about it is a new wailing engine note starts to overlay the more civilised "brrrm" of the inline four. The next thing you know is a feeling of the handlebars being pulled away from you and, if you're not ready, your head tipping back. The bike remains pleasantly upright and composed, the wail becomes deafening then starts being drowned out by the wind noise round your helmet. The world blurs and becomes like the end sequence of 2001. There's a tremendous feeling of being launched forwards through reality through your hands, feet and arse. Ladies and gentlemen, we are fucking off. Given my current audience I'm sure I don't need to explain what an addictive experience this is.

Of course, within an alarmingly low amount of time one is going to need to slow down again. The front is slowed by standard twin disk, four pot arrangement - none of this fancy radial mount or anything. Feel is a lot more spongy than I was hoping for, but velocity drops off really quickly so I'm not complaining. Be very gentle with that handle. The rear appears to work just fine.

Triumph gear boxes appear to come in for quite a lot of grief from journos but mine (perhaps because of it's 15k old status) is as smooth as you like. First is really just for pulling away from the lights although you can wheelie off the throttle using it. Yes, I found this out the surprising way. I do keep hitting the top of the box though, mostly caused by wanting to burble along quietly rather than wake the 7k monster. It's not a real problem and I'm rapidly getting over it. No false neutrals, and no problem getting into the real neutral either. Oh, and the gear whine adds a really awesome aural aspect to hard acceleration below about 100k - loud enough that it had be stopping and checking the oil on my first trip out.

Handling is ... fine. My cornering is abysmal, truth be told, and I'm looking forward to some expert advice and a track to try it on - I'm sure that will fix it. The bike is very sensitive to front tyre pressure. Less than 30 and you're going to have problems, weight starts to show up on the handlebars, you need a lot of work to tip in. Generally it's shite. Around 36-37 it feels a bit too tippy for my liking and gives the impression that front end traction is down and that the tyre is not deforming to the road at all. Keep it between the two and you're fine. I run pilot powers, which I think actually are *A* stock tyre - the manual certainly mentions them by name. Mid corner stability is fine (but the first thing to go with a lack of tyre pressure). You appear to be able to get away with braking a bit too late into a corner without it popping upright. Which I've been glad of once or twice. I also lost the rear being hamfisted in the wet and the suspension took energy out of the resulting wobble very well indeed. Sure as shit wasn't me that saved it. Exits are absolutely glorious - fast, controlled, stable, noisy, grippy and probably the best part of riding the bike.

In a straight line the suspension does an excellent job of soaking up bumps and dips. The coast road from Wainui is covered with lots of sudden and mostly invisible drops and there was never any danger of the rubber leaving the road. I have it set 'as delivered' and it's perhaps a drop too soft.

The 'fairing' does make a difference although it's clearly nothing like travelling in a nice gentle bubble of air. Good results have been reported from a laminar lip or similar aftermarket widget. The fairing is also removable and when you do it becomes apparent that the instrumentation is attached to another nicely made aluminium casting, is mounted on rubber washers, and is weatherproof including a boot that goes over the connector. In other words, it's reasonably clear that Triumph realised a lot of people would be wanting to take it off.

The lights are OK. Nothing special. Perhaps a bulb upgrade is called for.

No problems with reliability, although I did make a tit of myself trying to start it in gear - the engine will turn over but not fire. Fuel consumption is, I think, abysmal. About 200k off a tank (at $22 a pop).

Niggles? The big one is that the transition from engine one to engine two at 3.5k is quite marked. A big deal if you go round a roundabout in first while gently accelerating. It's also possible to get caught in a sort of faster-slower-faster almost 'learner on the clutch' type thing while commuting. The fix is to either go faster, slower, change gears in either direction or maybe slip the clutch. In other words it's not a big problem but it is a pain in the arse and one that makes itself apparent daily while commuting.

Ergonomics round the headlight controls are also a bit dodgy. It seems a long way to the dip switch, fiddly with gloves on, and possible to hit the off switch instead. Clearly fun since you were almost certainly dipping the lights because there's a car coming towards you. Again, practice will probably fix this.

But they are only niggles. Realistically there's only one thing you actually need to know about a Triumph Speed Four: I love it. I grin when I start it up. I make my non biking mates sit on it, start it and give it a few revs - and it makes them grin insanely, especially beautiful when they're trying to be really nonchalant about the whole thing. I enjoy riding to work. I really enjoy coming home again. I love going for a blat at the weekend. It's also the first time I've experienced "pride of ownership" really at all. It's a much nicer bike and in general a much nicer mechanical anything than I ever thought I'd own. It kicks a lot of arse. Get one :)

Dave

Devil
21st August 2006, 15:33
Glad to hear you're enjoying it. I found the hand controls on mine just perfect. Because you've got different bars on there, maybe they're not in the right place?

Like you I move off from a standing start with 1000rpm or 1500rpm, doesn't need much at all to get going. The lurchiness around 3000rpm is a known problem and can be fixed by fiddling with the clutch. Have a search around on speedfour.org, i think there might be an article there on sorting it out (wont play with it myself because i'm still under warranty). Should sort out your niggle!

Front brakes: Get someone to help you with bleeding them and check the pads. I love the brakes on this bike, really loved the feeling of your eyes wanting to pop out when giving them a good squeeze at the end of the new pit straight at Taupo.

I've mentioned before about getting your suspension set up properly, makes a huge difference. It takes a while to get used to the handling after coming from a 250, it's very nimble, very flickable and you need to learn to ride smoothly.

OEM tyres were Bridgestone BT010's and Michelin Pilot Road's.

That little fairing is just big enough to hide behind at 200km/h + ;)

As for the noise, I love it. Was the best sounding 4cyl I tried, and thats with the stock pipe. Dont think i'll be changing my zorst!

btw: I also get pretty crap fuel consumption round town, but have had up to 300km off 15L on the open road.

Indiana_Jones
21st August 2006, 16:33
Sounds sexy as =)

Nice review too.

See sig :D

-Indy

skelstar
21st August 2006, 17:51
Great review Dave. Youre not a tech-writer are you?

beyond
21st August 2006, 18:06
Good review mate.

Always good to get someone elses, in depth viewpoint of their ride. :)

RantyDave
21st August 2006, 19:12
I found the hand controls on mine just perfect. Because you've got different bars on there, maybe they're not in the right place?
I think the handgrips themselves have been changed and this has increased the distance from the inside of the grip to the button. I have massively long fingers so it's not the end of the world. I'll stick a picture up at some point and you can tell me if they're stock or not...

IThe lurchiness around 3000rpm is a known problem and can be fixed by fiddling with the clutch. Have a search around on speedfour.org, i think there might be an article there on sorting it out (wont play with it myself because i'm still under warranty).
I've found some people talking about a "bullet" being replaced by a "plate". I'm not convinced this is my problem, however, because I have no low speed grief off the clutch at all. There's also talk about different ECU mappings with someone on speedfour.org (or triumphrat.net) talking about a thing called a "tuneboy". Their site shows a before and after dyno run on a TT600 engine that shows it with a just VAST torque hole at 4000 RPM. I reckon this could be my problem. Anyone got a tuneboy?

Front brakes: Get someone to help you with bleeding them and check the pads.
Will do. No problem with them stopping, they just feel a bit weird. I had to put a bit more on than I really wanted on Saturday and found there was lots and lots in reserve - although the back started feeling a bit twitchy. The ol' addictive zooming thing bites again.

I've mentioned before about getting your suspension set up properly, makes a huge difference.
I was trying to get used to it running stock first, but we might be getting towards the point where setting it up properly is a good idea.

That little fairing is just big enough to hide behind at 200km/h + ;)
... puts hands in pockets, whistles.

As for the noise, I love it. Was the best sounding 4cyl I tried, and thats with the stock pipe. Dont think i'll be changing my zorst!
Amen to that. Mine came with a blueflame exhaust as well as the stock one - no great difference, but I like the purple end (fnarr fnarr) and it's a lot lighter.

Dave

NUTBAR
21st August 2006, 19:18
does anyone know where i can get mounting brackets for radar, gps, etc for my handel bars. have seen soom on a yamaha fjr, the chap said he got them from a guy in auckland who sells them.
anybody got any ideas?:innocent:

RantyDave
21st August 2006, 19:19
Youre not a tech-writer are you?
No, but I am currently "between jobs" (technically on holiday, as of today) so you never know - if I'm bad I might end up as one :)

Dave

Mr. Peanut
21st August 2006, 19:23
I wonder whats going to happen to the speed four now? That 675 engine seems like a waste used on just one bike

Speed 675 anyone? :love:

Edbear
21st August 2006, 19:57
I wonder whats going to happen to the speed four now? That 675 engine seems like a waste used on just one bike

Speed 675 anyone? :love:



Yeah, bring it on! I'm sure Triumph haven't gone to the trouble of developing such a motor without having plans for it!

RantyDave
21st August 2006, 20:04
I wonder whats going to happen to the speed four now?
I don't think it's being made any more, there's certainly no mention of it on Triumph NZ's site.

Speed 675 anyone?
Yeah, quite. A 1050 triple was just too manly for me. I bet the speed 675, when it happens, will be a peach of a bike. All I need is for Triumph to make it, someone to buy it, decide they don't like it any more (or something else becomes more fashionable) and then sell it to be for 4k off the sticker price.

I could be waiting a while, eh? Still ... no hurry, it's not like I don't have something to play with in the meanwhile :)

Dave

trumpy
21st August 2006, 20:19
Great information and eloquently put. After a LONG absence from road bikes I tried several, from the pathetic to the downright terrifying, before I made a choice. To be honest my S4, through some odd circumstances, found me rather than the reverse. Can't say I've regretted the choice one bit.
The S4 is not really a beginners bike so it has taken me a few K's to start to feel comfortable again.....another 50,000 odd k's and I should be there!
The changes I have made are as follows:

I fitted an LSL flat bar kit and motocross bars for a more comfortable riding position. While these give you very light and responsive steering which I initially enjoyed immensely, I have found that like most sport bikes, the S4 responds better to having your weight forward over the tank when the going gets twisty so in reality you end up with the same body position as you would if you had clip ons, except now with your elbows round your ears. I will probably change back to the clip ons this weekend.

Found a Micron S4 carbon muffler in pristine condition in tardme and fitted it three weeks ago. I really like the sound it makes and the standard fuel mapping seems to work just fine. A keeper.

Along with the muffler I was offered a Power Commander at a price I could not refuse. The Commander was already mapped for the identical bike with that muffler. Only got around to putting this on the bike on Sunday. Thanks to the weather I only got to have a quick ride but my immediate impression is that there is a marked improvement in top end at the expense of low end performance (your left foot gets very busy). I have one other map to try and I will load that this week end. Whether it stays on the bike or not is a moot point at this stage.

Laminar Lip speed screen. I have tried the bike over the same course several times at similar speeds both with and without the screen and I prefer to have it on. The wind blast is not that much less but in a different part of your body. Whether it is of any use would partially depend on your physical dimensions...I am short of leg, tall of body and a tad rotund.......If you are ever up this way you are more than welcome to try mine and make up your own mind about the difference.

And oh yes, crash knobs............if you dont have any get some! (F1 engineering in Hamilton) Worth every cent........(don't ask)......

Have fun, it's a great bike.

RantyDave
21st August 2006, 20:47
I was offered a Power Commander at a price I could not refuse .... Whether it stays on the bike or not is a moot point at this stage.
Well ... if it becomes boring and you'd like to free up a few bucks ... give me a yell. Would be keen to see if it can smooth out the 3k RPM problem.

And oh yes, crash knobs............if you dont have any get some!
Came with them on (http://www.camscomponents.com/). Used them on the first day, although I've since decided that if the bike slides less than it's own length then it doesn't count.

Dave

trumpy
21st August 2006, 20:59
Well ... if it becomes boring and you'd like to free up a few bucks ... give me a yell. Would be keen to see if it can smooth out the 3k RPM problem.....

The current map doesn't seem to. See what happens with the new map this weekend.

" Used them on the first day, although I've since decided that if the bike slides less than it's own length then it doesn't count...."

Thank goodness I wasn't the only one........

Devil
22nd August 2006, 09:46
I was trying to get used to it running stock first, but we might be getting towards the point where setting it up properly is a good idea.

Yeah, skip that part. You'll find once you've got the suspension right, you'll have to re-learn how to handle it anyway!

ooo Trumpy, didnt know you'd got some special bits for it! Would love to see what the difference is with the commander and the pipe! When are you up here with it next? :D (I'll be down with my bike gear for the track day Fri 8th till the sunday, in Taupo.)

trumpy
22nd August 2006, 17:34
ooo Trumpy, didnt know you'd got some special bits for it! Would love to see what the difference is with the commander and the pipe! When are you up here with it next? :D (I'll be down with my bike gear for the track day Fri 8th till the sunday, in Taupo.)

Up in Aucks every week but, unfortunately, generally not with the bike. If I am two wheeling up I will pm you before hand and you can take her for a blat.
Not had more than a few minutes on the bike with the Power Commander fitted. Hopefully the weather is better this weekend and I can try out a couple of different fuel maps.
The Micron sounds great and does free things up a little and seemed to work just fine on the standard fueling although it doesn't improve the under 3000rpm problem. I just ride in a higher gear around town.

BAD DAD
22nd August 2006, 20:51
Thanks Ranty Dave for your review on the S4 and cheers to Devil, Trumpy & co for your follow-on comments. Apart from articles that seem to have been cut n pasted out of the Triumph promo lit,I haven't seen much about either the bikes themselves or aftermarket gear.
Not being much of a technical rider it's good to read what others find when they give the S4 a bit of a push. I've got to say that even with my stiff, jerky and random style of riding, this bike is a pleasure to ride.
Cheers

trumpy
22nd August 2006, 21:44
Thanks Ranty Dave for your review on the S4 and cheers to Devil, Trumpy & co for your follow-on comments. Apart from articles that seem to have been cut n pasted out of the Triumph promo lit,I haven't seen much about either the bikes themselves or aftermarket gear.
Not being much of a technical rider it's good to read what others find when they give the S4 a bit of a push. I've got to say that even with my stiff, jerky and random style of riding, this bike is a pleasure to ride.
Cheers

I ride like a real plonker :spudbn: but this bike looks after me well:D . Happy to share any info.

Devil
23rd August 2006, 14:50
I'm getting real crap fuel mileage while commuting at the moment. Mechanic and I aren't sure what the problem is. Used to get 190-200km off 13L commuting, now thats down to 150km or so. Its got new plugs, air filter, fuel filter, chain and sprockets, dunno what the problem is. Might chuck it on the dyno and see whats its doing.

Fuel consumption appears ok when out on the open road...must be a low revs thing.

...might have to borrow that power commander for a while!

Lou Girardin
23rd August 2006, 15:06
I'm getting real crap fuel mileage while commuting at the moment. Mechanic and I aren't sure what the problem is. Used to get 190-200km off 13L commuting, now thats down to 150km or so. Its got new plugs, air filter, fuel filter, chain and sprockets, dunno what the problem is. Might chuck it on the dyno and see whats its doing.

Fuel consumption appears ok when out on the open road...must be a low revs thing.

...might have to borrow that power commander for a while!

Is it getting up to temp normally? If it running cool, the ECU thinks it's in cold start mode and richens the mixture.

Devil
23rd August 2006, 15:12
Is it getting up to temp normally? If it running cool, the ECU thinks it's in cold start mode and richens the mixture.
It had been taking ages to get up to temp, I got them to replace the thermostat under warranty and its warming up quicker but the fuel consumption hasn't changed. I thought that could have been the problem too. Do you think the ECU could still be thinking the wrong thing even with the thermo changed?

Have sent an email to dave at amps dot co dot nz about this (earlier today) to enquire about potential problems and to see what it'd cost to get a base run on the dyno...

Lou Girardin
23rd August 2006, 15:19
Have sent an email to dave at amps dot co dot nz about this (earlier today) to enquire about potential problems and to see what it'd cost to get a base run on the dyno...

Dave should get it sorted.

Indiana_Jones
27th August 2006, 00:59
Damn, I wanna be part of the Triumph club =( lol

-Indy

BAD DAD
8th December 2006, 22:16
What ever you do, DON'T let anyone knock your speed4 over on it's side. I can't believe that I did that to my bike and now I can't believe how much money for so little damage. $129.00 just for the front brake lever and over $300 for the mounting bracket to put the footpeg on. What is worse is that the bracket has to be imported from UK (at this time of the year) so I doubt that Christmas will be a particularly riding type holiday.

trumpy
8th December 2006, 22:35
Is the foot peg bracket in a repairable state (ie. repairable but not necessarily pretty)? If so I might be able to get you at least mobile while you wait fo the new part. PM me if interested.

BAD DAD
8th December 2006, 22:41
Trumpy, it,s made of cast alloy of some sort so probably not too easy to fix but I might be able to fabricate a temp out of steel then get a couple of welds put on it if I get desparate. Appreciate the offer though and might yet accept. Cheers

trumpy
9th December 2006, 07:46
If all the pieces are still there I might still be able to weld it up for you.
I'm in Aucks thurdays and fridays, PM if you want me to have a look.

Devil
11th December 2006, 09:34
What ever you do, DON'T let anyone knock your speed4 over on it's side. I can't believe that I did that to my bike and now I can't believe how much money for so little damage. $129.00 just for the front brake lever and over $300 for the mounting bracket to put the footpeg on. What is worse is that the bracket has to be imported from UK (at this time of the year) so I doubt that Christmas will be a particularly riding type holiday.
Try it with the Triumph radiator cowlings then have a cry when the mounting bracket for that cuts a hole in the radiator (aluminium of course) *sigh*. Glad that one is well behind me!

Bad luck.

Mine's just had a good run to wgtn and back. Love having a decent seat on a sporty bike, no aches or pains at all in that area. Must have been sitting funny on the way back from Taupo yesterday though, have a sore shoulder.

5L/100km @ 110km/h with full packrack.

While I think about it, the bike is up to 28k now and still going strong. Why anyone would be scared of buying a bike with this many k's is beyond me. It's going as strong if not stronger than it was when it was brand new. Love it.

BAD DAD
11th December 2006, 17:23
how do you guys find your bikes under heavy breaking, as in probably going too fast into a bend and knowing that you aint going to make it unless you scrub off some speed real soon? Not that I ever ride so irresponsibly..fancy a tui anyone?

trumpy
11th December 2006, 19:57
I've usually chickened out long before that stage:eek5: . For me it's normally "Ah sod it, why did I brake so early?!":slap: and then I have to accelerate up to the corner:Oops:.

The odd time I have done this by mistake the bike has looked after me just fine. While I have had cheeks firmly clenched and heart momentarily stopped I have always (so far) been able to get the speed off, even braking right to the apex, and exited none the worse for wear. Devil can probably give you a better "technical" explanation.

Devil
12th December 2006, 10:34
Basically how big are your balls and what condition are your tyres in? The speed four's brakes can handle anything, best i've used. Getting your suspension right makes a big difference of course. I often brake into corners, albeit very gently once I start leaning the thing. No problems at all.