TV ad attacks 'Safe Speeding'

[clint640]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10397438

"Nearly half of all speed-related crashes happen at or around the speed limit."

Riiiight - so if travelling at the speed limit you're not safe, how they are going to make the roads safer with extra speed enforcement?

I would have thought that trying to get people to drive to the conditions instead of the numbers on a sign would be a better way of reducing speed related accidents that happen at speeds around the limit?

Cheers
Clint

[James Deuce]

You're preaching to the converted mate.

If we taught people to drive/ride instead of how to follow the rules, things would be greatly improved.

[Squeak the Rat]

Saw one of the adverts last night. They are also trying to brainwash the public into believing that dishing out tickets for 110kph are in the interest of safety, and that speeding tickets are given out on pieces of road where there is a significant crash history.

The faster you go the bigger the risk.

[mdooher]

The cop says that a lot of accidents are happening at near 110km/h or words to that effect. ...uh duh ...that's cos most people drive at these speeds

If most drove at 70km/h then those speeds would be over represented in the accident figures

"lies, damn lies, and statistics"- Mark Twain

[ManDownUnder]

The cop says that a lot of accidents are happening at near 110km/h or words to that effect. ...uh duh ...that's cos most people drive at these speeds

If most drove at 70km/h then those speeds would be over represented in the accident figures


so.... to take that the OTHER way (no - not THAT way Dover - put your pants back on... I meant the OTHER OTHER way)...

If everyone drove and crashed at 150... my 130 would be safe?

[Maha]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10397438

"Nearly half of all speed-related crashes happen at or around the speed limit."



That being the case?.....then i know alot of people that will never die on the road....:yes:

[Lou Girardin]

If most accidents happen around the speed limit, then the cause is patently NOT speeding.
Besides, the cops don't know that the accidents are happening around 110 km/h. They're guessing.

This is how they're going to get our respect back.:yes:

[mdooher]

so.... to take that the OTHER way (no - not THAT way Dover - put your pants back on... I meant the OTHER OTHER way)...

If everyone drove and crashed at 150... my 130 would be safe?

isn't 130 always safe

just think... if everyone drove at 70 for 2 months when just as many people died on the roads they would have to rethink their speed kills campain...

When I once wore blue and drove with disco lights we said all sorts of accidents involved alchohol even if it was found in the car or in the passengers blood. THAT'S how stats are really done.:gob:

[yungatart]

And the guy gets done for speeding because that is 'oh so dangerous' but his rubbernecking at the accident scene isn't????

[XP@]

And the guy gets done for speeding because that is 'oh so dangerous' but his rubbernecking at the accident scene isn't????

Look at every ad they put out... it is rare the driver is paying attention. Yet it is speed that gets the blame.

oooohhhh it is annoying! I am going to crawl back in to my hole.

[yungatart]

Look at every ad they put out... it is rare the driver is paying attention. Yet it is speed that gets the blame.

oooohhhh it is annoying! I am going to crawl back in to my hole.

That is exactly why we need people to front up to those Safe As meetings like this one here...http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=727377&postcount=24

[Swoop]

just think... if everyone drove at 70 for 2 months when just as many people died on the roads they would have to rethink their speed kills campain...

Nope. If we all did that the average percentile of speed would be reduced and we would be lumbered with a lower speed limit... still heavily enforced to keep Heilen Klerk's coffers overflowing.

[Squeak the Rat]

Just one thing, what do you think speed ticketing limits should be around 50km/hr zones?

The speed at which the driving is likely to be unsafe.

Why ticket some one driving safely at 60kph, yet let off people driving dangerously at 15kph (eg Lou's colleague)?

[Flyingpony]

If most drove at 70km/h then those speeds would be over represented in the accident figures
I had a cop car one 3am morning on Desert Rd follow me for a good 20 minutes while I was crawling along at a continuous 50km/hr. And why was a I going so slow,,, well,,, had to kill the time before I arrived at the Wellington Ferry terminal :innocent:

Don't really think it's the speed that's the problem, it's people over taking others on stretches of roads that are too short. Then again, I did see three boy racer car pile end for end in the same corner,,, :killingme ,,, it was a 55km/hr corner on Lewis pass which must be take at the speed at all times. You'd think they'd have seen all the 'Truck use low gear' signs and took this warning into consideration.

[scumdog]

If most accidents happen around the speed limit, then the cause is patently NOT speeding.
Besides, the cops don't know that the accidents are happening around 110 km/h. They're guessing.

This is how they're going to get our respect back.:yes:

You would be surprised at the number of drivers who crash and when their speed at the time is mentioned it's that famous mantra: "Oh, about 100 - 105ks, maybe a little over - wouldn't be anymore than 110 that's for sure"

Like the standard issue drink-driver consumtion: "I can't be pissed, I've only had three stubbies/cans/bottles"

Yeah right, like I'm going to reply:"Sorry sir, must be a faulty machine, of course you're not drunk, have a good evening" pffft!

[Squeak the Rat]

Then again, I did see three boy racer car pile end for end in the same corner,,, :killingme ,,, it was a 55km/hr corner in Lewis pass which must be take at the speed at all times.
The issue there is NOT speed. It is dumbarse little shits pumped up on testosterone in souped up fast cars who got their licence because the tester was too scared of losing his job to fail them and are now out racing each other without the skills of being able to judge a flippin corner properly, one that was sign posted inconsistently with the other 30 before it so that they a) misunderstood the intentions of the yellow signs, and b) had lost all faith in the yellow signs being in any way meaningful.

[Lou Girardin]

You would be surprised at the number of drivers who crash and when their speed at the time is mentioned it's that famous mantra: "Oh, about 100 - 105ks, maybe a little over - wouldn't be anymore than 110 that's for sure"
pffft!

That's for sure. But them underestimating or you guys overestimating doesn't alter the truth.
Most accidents are not caused by exceeding the speed limit.

[scumdog]

Then again, I did see three boy racer car pile end for end in the same corner,,, :killingme ,,, it was a 55km/hr corner on Lewis pass which must be take at the speed at all times. You'd think they'd have seen all the 'Truck use low gear' signs and took this warning into consideration.

:gob: I thought all boy-racer cars were built to handle/steer/stop waaay better than the average car - and that drivers of b/r cars are razor sharp in reflex, lightning-like in decision making and expert all round drivers!!

[The Pastor]

You're preaching to the converted mate.

If we taught people to drive/ride instead of how to follow the rules, things would be greatly improved.


NO! you are wrong on so many levels. If we teach people to drive and take corners properly they will take them faster and since speed = accidents we will kill more people if we adop such a reckless attitude.


The cop says that a lot of accidents are happening at near 110km/h or words to that effect. ...uh duh ...that's cos most people drive at these speeds

If most drove at 70km/h then those speeds would be over represented in the accident figures

"lies, damn lies, and statistics"- Mark Twain

This is excatly why we MUST reduce the speedlimit. The chance of dieing is much lower becuase speed kills. If you speed, you will die.


If most accidents happen around the speed limit, then the cause is patently NOT speeding.
Besides, the cops don't know that the accidents are happening around 110 km/h. They're guessing.

This is how they're going to get our respect back.:yes:

This is reinforcing the idea that the speedlimit must be lowerd becuase accidents happen at speed!


And the guy gets done for speeding because that is 'oh so dangerous' but his rubbernecking at the accident scene isn't????

Of cource not! Use your head! Speed kills, Distractions are only a few % of total accidents! The faster you go, the quicker you get to your destination. or the bigger the mess - im always getting that one mixed up.


Your attitudes NEED to change in regards to speed. Speed is a very dangerours drug that is HIGHLY addictive. Becuase the public said 100km/hr is the limit anything over is deadly. Watch Tv and learn somthing.

[scumdog]

That's for sure. But them underestimating or you guys overestimating doesn't alter the truth.
Most accidents are not caused by exceeding the speed limit.

True, the cause is mostly their driving - which is like their speed estimation skill - decidedly inadequate.

If better training (at more expense) was introduced it would make those that passed the test better drivers (for a while at least) but those that didn't have the dosh would do as they do now - drive without a licence.

Quote: "I've never crashed so why do I need a licence anyway?"

[James Deuce]

NO! you are wrong on so many levels. If we teach people to drive and take corners properly they will take them faster and since speed = accidents we will kill more people if we adop such a reckless attitude.



:rofl::niceone:

Bling awarded

[Lou Girardin]

True, the cause is mostly their driving - which is like their speed estimation skill - decidedly inadequate.

If better training (at more expense) was introduced it would make those that passed the test better drivers (for a while at least) but those that didn't have the dosh would do as they do now - drive without a licence.

Quote: "I've never crashed so why do I need a licence anyway?"

Then target the unlicenced drivers.
It's all so easy when you think about it. Bit of a shame that King, Duynhoven and the rest don't. Think about it that is.

[Squeak the Rat]

Yep simple. If you've never had a licence then it's assumed you don't have the skills to drive because you haven't passed the test. Therefore you get done for dangerous driving and fined a shedloads of money or do some jail time.

Then make it harder to sit the test.

It's a bit harder than pointing a radar or laser though.... :jerry:

[The Pastor]

:rofl::niceone:

Bling awarded

Thats what the cop told me at the whangrei MOT meeting.

[James Deuce]

Yep. I've seen that line of reasoning presented on Telly by "Top Cops" before.

What a bunch of maroons.

[Coyote]

And the guy gets done for speeding because that is 'oh so dangerous' but his rubbernecking at the accident scene isn't????
I almost flew into a car on the Takas that was rubber necking behind a corner. Jamezo who was following me ended up knocking me. Only gave the rear fairing a few scratches fortunately


Bit off topic: Just before someone says all cops are just out there catching speeders, 3 years ago 2 cops came over at 3am to ask us to turn our porchlight off cause it was disturbing our neighbours

[Riff Raff]

Haven't seen the ad yet - which is funny really cos I'm in it.

[Hitcher]

LTNZ has a budget and an agency that thinks "social marketing" will cure the world's ills. An agency that discounts heavily the effects of enforcement as a behaviour modifier. Heresy.

[Finn]

500 - 600 dead kiwi's a year ain't that bad considering our roads, k's travelled and the low IQ of the average NZder. If this Government focused as much attention on the real issues, we'd all be better off.

I laugh at all these ads, especially this one. That bitch that's whinning as the guy drives past is priceless.

Edit: Was the you Riff Raff?

[SwanTiger]

I laugh at all these ads, especially this one. That bitch that's whinning as the guy drives past is priceless.

That's one annoying bitch alright.

[cowboyz]

Couple of issues as I see it. To start with the 100km/hr limit. How did they come up with that? Why not make bikes 120k/hr as they are more manoverable on the road? Because the speed limit has to be uniform to be safe and easy to police you say? What about trucks having a lower speed limit than cars? Or cars towing a trailer? No reason I can see why there can't be different speed limits for different vechicles.

Secondly. Whenever the discussion comes up about speeding or crashes then boyracers are soon to be mentioned. But are these the real problem? Sure some boyracers crash but mostly they are more interested in wrecking their tyres and making noise and showing off to the next 12 year old dressed like a whore on the street aren't they? There are 1000 reasons why people crash. 998 of those can be brought down to not paying attention. 1 is mechnical failure and the other is pure dumb luck. It is amazing how often the latter is blamed for what is obviously should be grouped in the first.

[SuperDave]

If we taught people to drive/ride instead of how to follow the rules, things would be greatly improved.
[/LEFT]

Amen to that. Our licensing system could do with much improvement, and actually teaching people 'how' to drive/ride would be an excellent start. But this costs money, who wants to spend money and reduce road deaths/injuries when you can make money instead.

[SwanTiger]

I don't really mind all the rules and speed limits. It makes breaking them so much more satisfying.

[Riff Raff]

I laugh at all these ads, especially this one. That bitch that's whinning as the guy drives past is priceless.

Edit: Was the you Riff Raff?
Geez thanks mate!
Nah I'm one of the ambos in the background - apparently if you look really hard you might see me for about .ooooooooo1 of a second, and then I'm told there's the usual butt shot they always manage to get of me whenever I'm on tv.

[Lou Girardin]

Couple of issues as I see it. To start with the 100km/hr limit. How did they come up with that? Why not make bikes 120k/hr as they are more manoverable on the road?

That's debateable anyway. But almost any KB'er group ride is a powerful argument against a higher limit for bikes.
There's almost a continual thread about how "I binned it on the weekend".
We don't do ourselves any favours.

[cowboyz]

I hear what your saying but a higher or lower speed limit is not going to save these guys anyway. your sig says it all.

[Skyryder]

That's debateable anyway. But almost any KB'er group ride is a powerful argument against a higher limit for bikes.
There's almost a continual thread about how "I binned it on the weekend".
We don't do ourselves any favours.

Na that's a North Islander thing Lou.

We Pig Islanders never bin. You've ridden with us. You know what we are like.

:scooter: :scooter:

Skyryder

[Moxy]

They forgot to point out the danger of parking on the roadside in a 100k area.

[scumdog]

That's debateable anyway. But almost any KB'er group ride is a powerful argument against a higher limit for bikes.
There's almost a continual thread about how "I binned it on the weekend".
We don't do ourselves any favours.

In best Blazing Saddles voice: "Citizen Lou is right"

Sure, the more serious bins often involve a bad driver and a cage of some sort BUT a shitload of bins mentioned on KB are just as Lou said.

And the last fatal was a pissed biker into the back of a parked vehicle.:yes:

[Lou Girardin]

Na that's a North Islander thing Lou.

We Pig Islanders never bin. You've ridden with us. You know what we are like.

:scooter: :scooter:

Skyryder

So I imagined the Quacka in the ditch then?

[Searchin']

My wife got a speed camera ticket for going 56km/hr the other day. What a joke.

[Rashika]

So I imagined the Quacka in the ditch then?

ha! that was no bin, that was more like a woooopseeee slooooooow slide into the gravel of oblivion, at about 3 kms an hour....guessing the flat tyre didn't help matters.
That would just about fall into one of those..."what the fk just happened" accidents. Bloody weird to see from behind I tell ya. :gob:

[Skyryder]

ha! that was no bin, that was more like a woooopseeee slooooooow slide into the gravel of oblivion, at about 3 kms an hour....guessing the flat tyre didn't help matters.
That would just about fall into one of those..."what the fk just happened" accidents. Bloody weird to see from behind I tell ya. :gob:

Good one R. The Sin Bin thing is a North Islander thing too. But I've been trying.............:innocent:

Skyryder

[MacD]

LTNZ has a budget and an agency that thinks "social marketing" will cure the world's ills. An agency that discounts heavily the effects of enforcement as a behaviour modifier. Heresy.

I was at a conference recently (not NZ) where the topic of discussion had public health implications. So a representative of the local health authority gave a presentation on how they planned to exaggerate the problem to increase the "fear factor" and then promote an unproven solution so that they could be seen to be "addressing the problem"! Without even the slightest hint of irony. She even had this nifty little matrix with numbers in it that "proved" that this was a good idea. There is no hope for humanity...

[Lou Girardin]

ha! that was no bin, that was more like a woooopseeee slooooooow slide into the gravel of oblivion, at about 3 kms an hour....guessing the flat tyre didn't help matters.
That would just about fall into one of those..."what the fk just happened" accidents. Bloody weird to see from behind I tell ya. :gob:

You Mainlanders are double hard bastards alright, if it's not flying into the shrubbery in a shower of disintegrating plastic, it doesn't count as a bin.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Rashika]

You Mainlanders are double hard bastards alright, if it's not flying into the shrubbery in a shower of disintegrating plastic, it doesn't count as a bin.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

yeah I think you need to be doing at least the speed limit and damage a whole lot more than just your pride for it to count as a bin really...dont you? :shutup: :innocent:

[Pixie]

500 - 600 dead kiwi's a year ain't that bad considering our roads, k's travelled and the low IQ of the average NZder. If this Government focused as much attention on the real issues, we'd all be better off.

I laugh at all these ads, especially this one. That bitch that's whinning as the guy drives past is priceless.

Edit: Was the you Riff Raff?

I'd revise the script:

Son:"is that the cop that stopped you dad?"

Dad:" yes son ,I think it is"

Son:"he was a right c**t, wasn't he dad?"

Dad:"yes son he was"

[scumdog]

I'd revise the script:

Son:"is that the cop that stopped you dad?"

Dad:" yes son ,I think it is"

Son:"he was a right c**t, wasn't he dad?"

Dad:"yes son he was"

And cop thinks: "heh heh heh, suckerrrrr!"

[Hitcher]

This ad irritates me on so many different levels. While channel surfing last night after Paradise went down, I caught it consecutively on six different channels. Seethe, fume...

[Swoop]

This ad irritates me on so many different levels. While channel surfing last night after Paradise went down, I caught it consecutively on six different channels. Seethe, fume...
This means the police budget is being used up by the advertising campaign. Net result means no overtime for police and less police on the roads...

[scumdog]

This means the police budget is being used up by the advertising campaign. Net result means no overtime for police and less police on the roads...

Overtime? overtime? you mean we get overtime?:gob:

Nobody told me.

[WINJA]

I Just Saw On The Telly Those Last Pigs Got Off The Dangerous Driving Conviction What A Fucken Joke , Even Helen Should Have Got An Aiding And Abetting Ticket For Her Part, Fucken Pigs And Their Double Standards

[scumdog]

I Just Saw On The Telly Those Last Pigs Got Off The Dangerous Driving Conviction What A Fucken Joke , Even Helen Should Have Got An Aiding And Abetting Ticket For Her Part, Fucken Pigs And Their Double Standards


Perks of the job - some get cheap roof painting, some get free milk and some get off on dangerous driving charges, fair enough??:innocent: :bleh:

[ZeroIndex]

I wonder what percentage of 'above speed limit' crashes happen vs. at speed limit? maybe it's safer to drive/ride fast :D

[scumdog]

I wonder what percentage of 'above speed limit' crashes happen vs. at speed limit? maybe it's safer to drive/ride fast :D

No worries, go as fast as you want to, 100kph around a right-angle bend is nothing, - UNTIL YA BIN.
Then it's listed as 'speed related crash'.

[candor]

This ad irritates me on so many different levels. While channel surfing last night after Paradise went down, I caught it consecutively on six different channels. Seethe, fume...

Rachael Price - civil servant of Wellington is where the advertising buck stops. She talks to the boffins who tell her what the priorities are. Then she schemes up what to do with her big advertising budget. It is not all nicked from Police wages. Much of it is nicked from community Trusts that are supposed to fund projects by non governmental little people like us.

Because of Rachael Price being excessively greedy for more dollars to make the crappest road safety ads in the world a lot more peopl than the viewers lose. If you have a personalised no - plate (? is that a bike thing at all) then you actually paid for Rachaels latest eye candy. Speed ads really get my wick too - feel like training a bazooka at the box, so its lucky I hardly watch it. Which is in no small measure due to Price's antics.

Dad - Isn't that the cop...

[scumdog]

To all youz wot moan about roads - it wouldn't matter how good NZ roads were, you would still fall off them!!

Even an auotobahn would be too agricultural for a lot of KBers.

[Lou Girardin]

No worries, go as fast as you want to, 100kph around a right-angle bend is nothing, - UNTIL YA BIN.
Then it's listed as 'speed related crash'.

Even if some arsehole has laid a trail of diesel around it?
You can tell us, you're told to make them all "speed was a factor" unless you'll get caught out, right?

[Lou Girardin]

I Just Saw On The Telly Those Last Pigs Got Off The Dangerous Driving Conviction What A Fucken Joke , Even Helen Should Have Got An Aiding And Abetting Ticket For Her Part, Fucken Pigs And Their Double Standards

I don't have a problem with them getting off. I do have a problem with the lying, snaggle-toothed slag who made it clear she wanted them to speed.

[scumdog]

Even if some arsehole has laid a trail of diesel around it?
You can tell us, you're told to make them all "speed was a factor" unless you'll get caught out, right?

Never got told that at all and speed can be a factor without it being the principal reason.

[WINJA]

I don't have a problem with them getting off. I do have a problem with the lying, snaggle-toothed slag who made it clear she wanted them to speed.

THEY CHOOSE TO SPEED JUST LIKE ALL OTHER DRIVERS THAT ARE GIVEN A TICKET, WHAT HAPPENED TO DRIVER RESPONSIBLITY, IF THEY ARE SO STUPID THEY DIDNT KNOW THEY WERE JUST SPEEDING TO A RUGBY MATCH THAY ARE TO STUPID TO BE PIGS , WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A FEW K'S OVER THE LIMIT EITHER IT WAS FAST ENOUGH FOR 20 OR SO CIVILIANS TO BE ALARMED, THOSE LIGHTS AND THOSE SPEEDS ARE RESERVED FOR GENUINE EMERGENCYS ON PUBLIC ROADS

[Lou Girardin]

Never got told that at all and speed can be a factor without it being the principal reason.

But it's usually the only one publicly announced. It fits the agenda.

[Lou Girardin]

THEY CHOOSE TO SPEED JUST LIKE ALL OTHER DRIVERS THAT ARE GIVEN A TICKET, WHAT HAPPENED TO DRIVER RESPONSIBLITY,

That's all true, but a little naive. What do you reckon your career prospects are after refusing a direct order?

[Swoop]

That's all true, but a little naive. What do you reckon your career prospects are after refusing a direct order?

The direct order was probably "Don't worry about the speed, if there's a problem I'll look after it - just get me to the rugby!"
Probably closer than we appreciate, to the truth...

[scumdog]

THEY CHOOSE TO SPEED JUST LIKE ALL OTHER DRIVERS THAT ARE GIVEN A TICKET, WHAT HAPPENED TO DRIVER RESPONSIBLITY, IF THEY ARE SO STUPID THEY DIDNT KNOW THEY WERE JUST SPEEDING TO A RUGBY MATCH THAY ARE TO STUPID TO BE PIGS , WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A FEW K'S OVER THE LIMIT EITHER IT WAS FAST ENOUGH FOR 20 OR SO CIVILIANS TO BE ALARMED, THOSE LIGHTS AND THOSE SPEEDS ARE RESERVED FOR GENUINE EMERGENCYS ON PUBLIC ROADS

Groundhog day - AGAIN!!

[WINJA]

That's all true, but a little naive. What do you reckon your career prospects are after refusing a direct order?

PLENTY OF JOBS OUT THERE THEY DONT JUST HAVE TO BE PIGS , THE LAWS THE LAW JUST BECAUSE YOUVE BEEN GIVEN AN ILLEGAL ORDER IT DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW IT, ARE YOU SAYING OUR PIGS DONT HAVE THE COURAGE TO STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES EVEN WITH THE POLICE ASSOCIATION BEHIND THEM

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ive been thinking of reviewing the Broadcasting STandards authority requirements to make a complaint about that ad with the guy who gets the ticket at 115 or whatever and coming back the cop is loading that screamer into the ambo.

(Look at the sweater I got for Christmas, I am a bit disappointed, I would have preferred a screamer or a moaner). I digress.


basically focusing on truth in advertising requirements and what is a fair inference to draw.

the implied causality we are asked to accept in that ad really fuckin' pisses me off.

[scumdog]

, ARE YOU SAYING OUR PIGS DONT HAVE THE COURAGE TO STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES EVEN WITH THE POLICE ASSOCIATION BEHIND THEM

No, the pissy salary doesn't stretch to cover 'courage':moon:

[scumdog]

Ive been thinking of reviewing the Broadcasting STandards authority requirements to make a complaint about that ad with the guy who gets the ticket at 115 or whatever and coming back the cop is loading that screamer into the ambo.

(Look at the sweater I got for Christmas, I am a bit disappointed, I would have preferred a screamer or a moaner). I digress.


basically focusing on truth in advertising requirements and what is a fair inference to draw.

the implied causality we are asked to accept in that ad really fuckin' pisses me off.

Don't worry, apart from the 'screamer' nobody takes any notice of the ad anyway....

[gt_phanta]

As for respect for the police. I'll say this.

When one of our cars was broken into outside our house, we phoned the police, and they told us they don't have the manpower to investigate, and that theres way too many cars broken into for them to look into every incident.

We have since had 3 more cars broken into, 1 was a car parked on the street, 2 others were in our back yard, and when we phoned the police we were told the same thing again.

But as soon as I went 11km over the speed limit in a wide road, late at night, they don't seem to have the same problems with manpower.

The same for the guy I saw on the motorway with a generator in his Holden boot. It was securely tied down, and the boot was strapped down, but the cops had to interrupt 3 lanes of traffic in peak traffic to pull the guy over, and give him a verbal lashing that all of us could hear, now stopped in the confusion left by his manuevers trying to stop the poor innocent soul.

WHY DON'T THEY GO CATCH REAL CRIMINALS !!!!! Leave us innocent people just trying to get through our lives alone.

[TonyB]

"Nearly half of all speed-related crashes happen at or around the speed limit."

Ah statistics.... Did you know that, bread is one of the most dangerous substances known to man.
1. More than 98 percent of convicted felons are bread users.
2. Fully HALF of all children who grow up in bread-consuming households score below average on standardized tests.
3. More than 90 percent of violent crimes are committed within 24 hours of eating bread.
4. Primitive tribal societies that have no bread exhibit a low incidence of cancer, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's disease, and osteoporosis

And what about THIS disturbing fact from the mid 1990's....

When Elvis Presley died in 1977, there were an estimated 37 Elvis impersonators in the world.
By 1993, there were 48,000 Elvis impersonators, an exponential increase.
Extrapolating from this, by 2010 there will be 2.5 billion Elvis impersonators.
The population of the world will be 7.5 billion by 2010.
Every 3rd person will be an Elvis impersonator by 2010.

[Renegade]

I went from wellington to Tauranga the other weekend and five separate occasions i held my breath and hoped some poor soul wasnt coming towards us as some dropkick overtook people on blind corners or rises in the road where you couldnt see over, these people deserve to die, not the people they hit, which is usually the case.
None of these people were boy racers but middle people, mainly men, some with familys on board too, this shit causes crashes on open roadsm, they should lose their licence instantly.

The human body can handle an impact of 80kph into a solid stationary object before its internal organs tear themselves from their anchors or turn to liquid, thats why we have speed limits.

A guy on a bike going through the Mt Victoria tunnel at 140kph (estimated by serious crash unit) also a 50kph zone died as a result of hitting the rear end of a car in his lane before bouncing into the car on coming, split him in 2, we do it to ourselves people, remember that.

[Moxy]

... that ad with the guy who gets the ticket at 115 or whatever and coming back the cop is loading that screamer into the ambo.

...

he implied causality we are asked to accept in that ad really fuckin' pisses me off.

They forgot to mention the danger of parking on the side of the road in a 100k zone.

The way I see it is:
* The same cop pulled the lady over to give her a ticket for 112k or whatever
* While she was parked on the road, a truck raced by and clipped her.

It's dangerous to pull over to the side of the road in a 100k area.

There was an advert mockup of that happening.. Although I think the situation was the cop pulled over to tell her how dangerous it was to park on the side of the road *smash* the truck hits her car.

[Moxy]

When one of our cars was broken into outside our house, we phoned the police, and they told us they don't have the manpower to investigate, and that theres way too many cars broken into for them to look into every incident.

We have since had 3 more cars broken into, 1 was a car parked on the street, 2 others were in our back yard, and when we phoned the police we were told the same thing again.


There was an article I read a while ago where a guy got home to see somebody sneaking around the guest house. He wanted to avoid confrontation so he kept quiet, and the burgular didn't realise he was there. He called the cops

"There is a burgular in my guest house right now. He doesn't know that I am home yet. Can somebody please come over and arrest him"

"Sorry, we dont' have enough police on duty. We'll have somebody available in about 45 minutes"

he hung up not knowing what else to do, a few minutes he called back

"Hey, I called before about a burgular in my guest house. There are officers scheduled to come over in 45minutes or so. Tell them it's ok, and they don't need to come anymore. I shot him and my family is now safe"

apparantly about 5 squad card turned up within a few minutes, and were there in time to arrest the burgular

[RT527]

Never got told that at all and speed can be a factor without it being the principal reason.

Get it Right.....Almost Everything can be a factor in an accident.
Its just how its reported that changes things.
yeah speed makes the mess but what about the bald tyres and the cow getting out of the paddock and the sun being reflected off sumthing shiney after a recent rainfall thats brought the oil to the surface that the 70 kmph car towing a trailer has just spun out on causing the truck driver to lockup and shunt the car and trailer into the path of the car with the bald tyres who is trying to avoid a cow which is by now making entry to the vehicle via the front windscreen , and fuk me speed was a factor cause the guy with the bald tyres was going 110kmph

[RT527]

That's all true, but a little naive. What do you reckon your career prospects are after refusing a direct order?

Ask scumdog what happens to truck drivers if we drive our vehicles faster than the speed limit because our dispatcher wants us somewhere in a hurry or they ask you to do a small job down the road in a vehicle that has no Cof( I havnt done this just know others that have) Most well 99% of officers will say you should just say no you cant do it because its illegal, and when protests to the cop of but I`ll loose my job happen most will say, so what get another job.