Cmon guys, Get Biker Wise!

[Kwaka-Kid]

Hey guys, this is just a general thread to bring some attention to the recent ride with 2 acc's in it both involving 250 riders without much experience:weep: (from what ive heard) http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=3236&page=3&pp=40&highlight=small

I hate to be the bitching nana' or whatever but its the way i think and the way i seem to ride too!

To get into it i personally think more could have been done at the recent "SMALL BIKES" ride organised for sunday just gone. I reckon had i of been in that ride and up amoungst the front runners i couldnt bring myself to think that i wasnt partially responsible for the off's of the riders. When there is a ride esp. when its organised as a small/slow ride or what have you and involving a number of newer riders i think some of us more experienced (yeah yeah i know, hardly me!) could go along and pace ourselves amoungest the group of newer riders and possibly just ahead to show them some lines etc without blasting into the distance leaving them to feel like they really need to gas it to keep up and pressure them into riding outside there capabilities. This doesnt mean they are not responsible for their own actions. However i think that anyone who doesnt agree with the statement before the last just cant remember their more youthful years!
Been there, Done that, not so long ago and so now all i wanted to contribute was this thread to express and opinion and see if there was much other support and/or some following through of the ideas in one of the next rides!:spudwhat:

Shade and i went for our own true-slow ride up to kaukoppakoppa(sp. bad!) via old north/peak roads instead and i had a ball of a time sitting behind him the whole way:whocares: a) working on some of my techniques/apexing and also from observing his riding, feeling like i had something positive to contribute on the discussion of riding/his/mine afterwards (hes only been riding 6 odd months).

Yeah maybe im just harping on now! but just saying i could still have a really enjoyable time at a pace that could hardly earn me a ticket nor a repair bill!:beer:

Hope this doesnt rustle too many feathers of the big chooks (meant in a totally non insulting way!) but possibly helps make the next ride safer! - This all just started after i thought shit, if it were ME on that ride only a year or so ago, and i had of come off not only would my old man have kicked my arse (regarless if it was broken from the acc!) but i wouldnt have been alowed to show up to any KB events for the rest of my parentally guided life! (damn, 18 now and it still seems that way, how much longer mummy?!) :bye:

[Kwaka-Kid]

ohh and just as an extra id like to say i went for a quick paced ride with TS on sunday too, and FECKING HELL!!! Lookout my minor reputation, HERE COMES THE TRUE UP AND COMMING TRACK-CHAMP!. TS if you can ride half as quick as you did then shit me im sure youll do well on the track! just stay safe dude and make sure you feel comfortable with the speeds you run into corners, id hate to see you never make it to the track due to altercations with cateyes/rocks/cars/trees/anything else that comes across your path with that pace! (on a bloody 150!! carving up).

[Firefight]

I'll put my hand up with you Logan, and say I agree,

Firefight. :calm:

[Motoracer]

Excellent! You'r spot on KK! I was thinking of saying something along these lines after all the bins but I didn't get around to it.

[Andrew]

See mate what did I tell ya. You're reputation is getting even better. A lot of younger KB'ers look up to you their role model so you're doing well. :niceone:

[cheetor]

I can definitly Say that this is a good idea
as a 250 rider, on a new bike, and inexperianced I found it VERY hard to keep up, and freaked out on at least three corners (went WAYYYY to deep under braking) evrn thoygh teh group I was with was going 'slow'
I ended up totaly lost on my first ride, and ended up riding alone on 30km of winding dirt road

So come on guys, We were all Beginners once :D lets have some support :D

[Motoracer]

ohh and just as an extra id like to say i went for a quick paced ride with TS on sunday too, and FECKING HELL!!! Lookout my minor reputation, HERE COMES THE TRUE UP AND COMMING TRACK-CHAMP!. TS if you can ride half as quick as you did then shit me im sure youll do well on the track! just stay safe dude and make sure you feel comfortable with the speeds you run into corners, id hate to see you never make it to the track due to altercations with cateyes/rocks/cars/trees/anything else that comes across your path with that pace! (on a bloody 150!! carving up).

Yea man, TS has got lots of natural talent! I have never seen someone learn that much in that time frame.

I was really looking forward to seeing him in Taupo but it didn't work out for him. Hopefully we'll be seeing him on the track soon though.

[Antallica]

Yeah slow down I say. Had many unenjoyable rides due to leaders wanting to speed up things.

[FROSTY]

I couldnt agree more here guys. You got it bang on KK :niceone: :niceone:
I thought of a lot more to add but I'd sound like a sanctomoneus pratt -given that another KB member and I gave antallica and his mate a view of big bike tailights on out pre spanner night ride on more than one occasion.
maybee its a wake up call for all of us
Ohh and logan--again dude--bang on

[Antallica]

Ahh it's all good Frosty, I think RIB forgot about the agreed 100km/h cruising speed. I was looking at 130-140km/h most of the way. My mate sure loves the hardcore speeding/cornering but I'm a bit sheepish at times.

[Quasievil]

Hey guys, this is just a general thread to bring some attention to the recent ride with 2 acc's in it both involving 250 riders without much experience:weep: (from what ive heard) http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=3236&page=3&pp=40&highlight=small

I hate to be the bitching nana' or whatever but its the way i think and the way i seem to ride too!

To get into it i personally think more could have been done at the recent "SMALL BIKES" ride organised for sunday just gone. I reckon had i of been in that ride and up amoungst the front runners i couldnt bring myself to think that i wasnt partially responsible for the off's of the riders. When there is a ride esp. when its organised as a small/slow ride or what have you and involving a number of newer riders i think some of us more experienced (yeah yeah i know, hardly me!) could go along and pace ourselves amoungest the group of newer riders and possibly just ahead to show them some lines etc without blasting into the distance leaving them to feel like they really need to gas it to keep up and pressure them into riding outside there capabilities. This doesnt mean they are not responsible for their own actions. However i think that anyone who doesnt agree with the statement before the last just cant remember their more youthful years!
Been there, Done that, not so long ago and so now all i wanted to contribute was this thread to express and opinion and see if there was much other support and/or some following through of the ideas in one of the next rides!:spudwhat:

Shade and i went for our own true-slow ride up to kaukoppakoppa(sp. bad!) via old north/peak roads instead and i had a ball of a time sitting behind him the whole way:whocares: a) working on some of my techniques/apexing and also from observing his riding, feeling like i had something positive to contribute on the discussion of riding/his/mine afterwards (hes only been riding 6 odd months).

Yeah maybe im just harping on now! but just saying i could still have a really enjoyable time at a pace that could hardly earn me a ticket nor a repair bill!:beer:

Hope this doesnt rustle too many feathers of the big chooks (meant in a totally non insulting way!) but possibly helps make the next ride safer! - This all just started after i thought shit, if it were ME on that ride only a year or so ago, and i had of come off not only would my old man have kicked my arse (regarless if it was broken from the acc!) but i wouldnt have been alowed to show up to any KB events for the rest of my parentally guided life! (damn, 18 now and it still seems that way, how much longer mummy?!) :bye:

Well said, good on you for saying this. I will be the first to say that my riding needs some work, BUT without naming names I was concerned a bit as to how some of the riders were behaving, ie Passing , lines taking,following to close etc, I decided fairly quickly to hang in the back cause I had bikes all over my arse trying to race as fasyt as possible. The day was likely of a bit of carnage and it ended up being the case unfortunetly.
Alot of it relates to not knowing where to go, the route etc, and the fear of getting lost or left behind. So therefore three speed groups need three people to know the route, or provide good maps (not hard to do this).
Or each intersection the front guy waits until the count of bikes has passed then proceeds, then the next front guy waits etc etc etc, from this everyone gets a crack at setting the pace and the speed average is reduced.
Fuck Im rambling now ,anyway good stuff KK

[RiderInBlack]

Ahh it's all good Frosty, I think RIB forgot about the agreed 100km/h cruising speed. I was looking at 130-140km/h most of the way. My mate sure loves the hardcore speeding/cornering but I'm a bit sheepish at times.:Oops: Was there a 100KPH agreed Speed:rolleyes: Then Frosty with BabyBiker telling him to go faster joined us:crazy:
Yes it is always harder following. The front bike does not need to go much faster than the following bikes to leave them behind. Special as they get first oppertunity to pass and the following bikes are often left with the choice making a riskyer pass or waiting for a good spot and have to do catch-up. A better rider will also open a gap up due to better cornering without speeding. Beleave it or not Ant, this still happens to me on rides and I have needed to play catch-up. During the pre-spanner ride I was always looking in my mirrior to make sure the you and your mate were still there. Stopped more than once to wait for you, and more than one occasion I nearly truned back for you. I never expected you to ride at a pace you didn't feel comfitable at.
There was just too much power difference between the 1000 and the 150.

[FROSTY]

OK GUYS lets name a name :gob:
Yep the KB member most responsible for all the speeding and dangerous antics is--wait for it
Baby Bikie==
Yep that disreputable little sod should be banned from all further KB rides :angry2:
Leaning round and shouting in my ear to "go faster' was just a bit too much
But seriously now guys- perhaps if we do have a predetermined destination clearly noted then we can all ride at our own pace.
I

[RiderInBlack]

OK GUYS lets name a name :gob:
Yep the KB member most responsible for all the speeding and dangerous antics is--wait for it
Baby Bikie==
Yep that disreputable little sod should be banned from all further KB rides :angry2:Yer but it's cool seeing him behind you trying to put his knee down:eek5: :not: he needs some need pads:msn-wink:

PS: Ant's got some fabric gloves now. Girlfriend is working on him to get some decent ones (like leather or kevlar).

[vifferman]

This isn't that hard, guys. There's LOTS of stuff on the interweb about riding in groups - how to organise it, how to make it safe, how to make sure people don't get left behind, etc.
Someone yesterday suggested dividing the group into subgroups of equal abilities or preferred riding speed - a good idea, and one that most organised groups follow.
Check this link:
The Pace (http://www.micapeak.com/info/thepace.html)
Or this one:
How to Ride a Motorcycle with a Group (http://www.ehow.com/how_8359_ride-motorcycle-with.html)
Or this:
Group Riding (http://www.motorcycle-training.f2s.com/groupride.html)

[Skyryder]

Been reading these with some interest. Seems there are a few valid points here. I've been riding off and on for a long time (I still see myself as a begginer. I do not ride fast anymore) and while the 'rides' are rides they are also social occasions. But here's a tip for you newer guys. It is better to get lost (no pun intended) than to get dead.

Skyryder

[FROSTY]

Yer but it's cool seeing him behind you trying to put his knee down:eek5: :not: he needs some need pads:msn-wink:

PS: Ant's got some fabric gloves now. Girlfriend is working on him to get some decent ones (like leather or kevlar).
Ive got a pair of gloves for him at my place Good quality gloves -leather
$20 I forgot all about em -better send him an e mail
Um yea --anybody got a set of kne sliders small enough for a 5 year old?? -HRumph

[Antallica]

Ive got a pair of gloves for him at my place Good quality gloves -leather
$20 I forgot all about em -better send him an e mail
Um yea --anybody got a set of kne sliders small enough for a 5 year old?? -HRumph
Got pics kind sir?

[Devil]

Um yea --anybody got a set of kne sliders small enough for a 5 year old?? -HRumph
Anything thats 2 weeks old from Dunkin Donuts should be tough enough ;)

[Ms Piggy]

Being a new rider myself I know that the 1st time I went out with a mixed group I initially tired to "keep up", this is a really stoopid idea (well for me it was) b/c it meant I was riding beyond my own abilities & taking silly risks. I realised very soon into the ride I was doing this and calmed down & started riding at my own pace - that meant I was waaaaay behind the rest of the group but, one of the faster riders waited for me to make sure I wasn't getting lost.

The next group ride I went on I had a more expereinced rider who was willing to stay with me & it felt good. Also on my 2nd group ride we had a bit of a chat before we left so that everyone kinda knew everyone & their riding abilities and what was happening.

My opinion is that on any group ride (more so with real new riders) someone needs to take responsibility, I reckon there needs to be a leader & a follower, it sux I know but at the end of that day if you organise a group ride things run a lot smoother if there is a little bit of responsibility taken - ummmm, especially if it's supposed to be a slow ride for beginners.

Anyway that's my 2 cents woth.

[merv]

Even on a group ride it is best if you effectively team up with one or two others that you are happy with and then ride together always keeping each other in view. 2, 3 or 4 together are all easy combinations as long as you are all happy with each others company.

[FROSTY]

Got pics kind sir?
Have a look at a sorta oldish thread--of gloves and stuff--I have a pic in there

[Cajun]

Personally when riding in groups, i never stay to close to the person infront of me, also i do not like someone to close behind me, if they are to close for my comfort, i will slow down and to the left to make them pass. Thats just my personal perfence, i have also just about hit someone coming out of a corner, dude on an cbr 900rr followed by his wife rg150 followed by me, 40km/h corner we took it at 80km/h cbr went around fine, rg went around, foot pegs hit ground, and off she go, and i just about about ran her over, just missed her, and just about down a big 3 foot drop bank, before i stoped i just stoped in time. okay, following someone to close might not stop this happening, but might give little more time to slow down or miss them.

Other reason i do like riding closey to people, is that i don't know how they ride, i don't know how they react to road conditions, etc etc, the only reason i brake this is when i ride with the wife, cause we always ride together, we know how each other react and each other riding style very very well(i helped teach her to ride).

And if i am riding people leaving for me dead on a ride, i don't try and keep up i rather come in last than not come in all, i can't afford to pay to fix my bike/get another one. I guess, it really depends on age i guess, the younger person might try and keep up were an older one might know better.

I'm starting to sound old how,
:doh:

[Kwaka-Kid]

cheers for the support guys! i was initially a little concerned the response was not going to flow this way!

Anyway i think it was frosty up there with a point, which was along the lines of having a predetirmend point that EVERYBODY knows about, and how to get to without ever feeling like they could get lost! (trust me, big thing!) And often even if they say "yeah yeah i just stay on this road and end up at that gas station after the last right" or whatever, it doesnt mean they often feel really comfortable being left on their own. We have had posts of guys saying "as long as we all arrive at the end destination and blah blah about the ride regardless of who was with who and who was at the back, its all good!" which is just fine by me! so long as the newer ones really do understand this etc :) - again harping on.

So about the responsibility thing? i think not.. In america after an event like this there is a high chance the "organiser" of the ride, or even those out front "leading" the newer riders could be charged! NZ is heading more and more the way of the US unfortunatly - yeah it sounds OTT etc but hey - thats america and soon to be us!

So without being an organiser or anything like that, I was considering taking my little 400 out for a ride on the 26th or 27th with shade, just a genuine slow ride yet again up through old north road and peaks road, to improve skills and enjoy the corners! if some newer bikers wanted to head round to my place before hand and talk for a bit then work on their bikes then happen to follow us out i sure wouldnt mind following some new riders through the roads and giving them some pointers using the knowledge from the limited experience ive had on the racetrack etc.

Maybe we could do this a little more often? i often have shade, (YourMostWantedbefore his bike was totalled) and PutMan over here to work on their bikes (even just to teach basic oil change/chain maintenence, its hard when your flatting like these guys!) then out for a smooth ride in the sun through some of the still-unknowen-to-me westauckland roads! - i dont mind letting the loop get a little bigger so long as it doesnt get outta hand! -got too many bloody bikes in the garages as it is :S - just gimmie an MSN or something.
cheers guys - im glad there is support for improving our rides.

[Quasievil]

This isn't that hard, guys. There's LOTS of stuff on the interweb about riding in groups - how to organise it, how to make it safe, how to make sure people don't get left behind, etc.
Someone yesterday suggested dividing the group into subgroups of equal abilities or preferred riding speed - a good idea, and one that most organised groups follow.
Check this link:
The Pace (http://www.micapeak.com/info/thepace.html)
Or this one:
How to Ride a Motorcycle with a Group (http://www.ehow.com/how_8359_ride-motorcycle-with.html)
Or this:
Group Riding (http://www.motorcycle-training.f2s.com/groupride.html)

Great Stuff Firestormer, this bit from your links look the best to me. ive Cut and Pasted (hope ya dont mind)
Quote...
This is popular with groups going on long rides and allows overtaking within the group without upsetting the group. Understanding the system is important, as every rider needs to do their part to avoid anyone getting lost. One leader is responsible for navigating the route, at every junction, the rider immediately behind, marks the junction. All other riders pass the marker except the back marker who signals that he/she is the last in the group. The marker than re-joins the group 2nd from the back. This approach involves all the group and as the marker gets rotated front to back. It also allows riders to overtake other riders without confusing the group. The method works providing that everyone makes clear, safe markings and doesn't forget they are in the No.2 position, when it is their turn to mark. It can be difficult to find the best place to mark, particularly right hand turns etc. Often the safest place to stop is by the road sign itself and point in the direction. This means everyone has plenty of time to prepare for the turn. It is also vital that markers do not leave their post until they are sure the back marker has come through. In the event of a brake down the back marker mast stop and assist, the lead rider will then eventually run out of markers and stop. This method can fail if another biker (not in the group) stops next to a junction and leaves before the back marker comes through (thus falsely directing some of the group off.
Motorway exits and the hard shoulder are dangerous places to stop (and illegal unless in an emergency). If your ride includes sections of Motorways, you will need to regroup before and after the ride. It is also useful to keep the motorway speed down as well as encouraging everyone to stay together.
... end quote

Ive been on a few rides where this works brilliantly. I think KB rides should adopt it
:msn-wink:

[vifferman]

Like I said, there's lots of stuff on the Interweb, and those 3 links I posted were just some I quickly trawled on Google while writing my message.
We shouldn't be having rides where nearly every ride someone craps out. It might make for some interesting reading, but sooner or later there's likely to be a serious injury or worse still, a fatality and even having an accident with a minor injury is unacceptable, in my opinion.

[MadDuck]

Well I have read all the comments with interest. KK has made a valid point.

BUT on Sunday there was always someone at the back of the pack all the way - ME!!!!!

I am never keen on having a rider behind me in a group if I think they are faster than me and I will hold them up and on Sunday that was just about everyone so I putted along at the rear. The first bin happened in a suburban street where the limit is 50kms dammit NOT on the open road.

The second appeared to be just one of those (as everyone says) "oh fuck" moments.

SpankMe was at every turning in the road to wait for the tailender - ME!!!! I am not sure much else could be done to improve the way the day was run.

Valid point KK but wouldnt have made a diff on this ride I IMHO anyways.
MD

[Posh Tourer :P]

Like I said, there's lots of stuff on the Interweb, and those 3 links I posted were just some I quickly trawled on Google while writing my message.
We shouldn't be having rides where nearly every ride someone craps out. It might make for some interesting reading, but sooner or later there's likely to be a serious injury or worse still, a fatality and even having an accident with a minor injury is unacceptable, in my opinion.

Well put. I've said this before, and it puts me off going on KB rides. However, I'm considering organising a SLOW ride sometime soon, given the support this topic has received this time and also the last time it blew up (18th april)

[Posh Tourer :P]

Well I have read all the comments with interest. KK has made a valid point.

BUT on Sunday there was always someone at the back of the pack all the way - ME!!!!!

I am never keen on having a rider behind me in a group if I think they are faster than me and I will hold them up and on Sunday that was just about everyone so I putted along at the rear. The first bin happened in a suburban street where the limit is 50kms dammit NOT on the open road.

The second appeared to be just one of those (as everyone says) "oh fuck" moments.

SpankMe was at every turning in the road to wait for the tailender - ME!!!! I am not sure much else could be done to improve the way the day was run.

Valid point KK but wouldnt have made a diff on this ride I IMHO anyways.
MD

Yes it would have. You are taking firestormers links and I agree with you that those principles seem to have been well followed.
KK also made other points such as the fast guys dragging the slower guys along, slower guys being out of their depth because the faster guys were setting too fast a pace. If there are differing abilities, there ought to be a pace setter in each ability group or at least for the less experienced riders. These rides that are organised with inexperienced riders in mind or coming along are obviously different to anyone who wants to organise a blat with mates through the site, such as FF and MR do often. It is important to distinguish, in my opinion, between rides for different functions. Large rides essentially ought to be run as separate rides for different abilities, not as one big ride. You can all meet up at the same point and have a yarn at the end, in any case, thats what big rides are about anyway isnt it? If it wasnt, why not ride on your own?

[Two Smoker]

Well put KK, all of its right, except the me being fast bit, odnt know where you were going with that one........

Yep im keen to go on a slow ride with PT, my licnece wont last too long otherwise :crazy:

I reakon the first bin MIGHT have been avoided, if we had slowed a little, but we werent going quick as it was....... it was a tricky left hander that if you took at 60kmh you had too be quick onto the brakes to stop for the roundabout.....

But the second bin was one of those aaahhhh fuck moments.... bit of a bugger because ive had some of them but with better consequences luckily......

Id be keen to show some slower riders some lines (although i dont know much being slow myself) as i do this with Milky too increase his pace.... Mad Duck if you keen ill do it with you :niceone:

[Big Dog]

Well, haven't read the whole thread as everyone seems to be saying pretty much the same thing.

Older riders who don't expect to set the road on fire = safer 250 rides.

What you really need (as I recall from my younger days) is one out front leading the way (who is not a road shredder) so there is some warning of gravel etc. One in the middle so those who can't see the front have a line to follow. And a tail end Charlie who can pick up any stragglers, broken downers etc.

Having an experienced rider at the back helps younger riders keep their testosterone in their pants as they can't possibly be comming last.


1. needs to have good lines but a handle on reality.
2. needs to have good lines but a handle on reality and not mind being in the middle of a lot of inexperienced riders.
3. needs to not mind being last, and should know some first aid, and some basic mechanics.

[Motoracer]

TS, ya fast cu*t! Ease down with the modesty will ya!!

[Two Smoker]

TS, ya fast cu*t! Ease down with the modesty will ya!!
Your the bloody fast guy :eek5: :wacko:

[Big Dog]

I kinda like tail end charley myself, but I don't have a first aid kit.

[Quasievil]

I kinda like tail end charley myself, but I don't have a first aid kit.

I always have a comprehensive first aid kit on rides, ex boy scout now a complete nana lol, I think there should be one on group rides. :doctor:

[Quasievil]

Your the bloody fast guy :eek5: :wacko:


Im with MR I didnt see you all day TS, apart from when ya past me :bye:

[Motoracer]

Your the bloody fast guy :eek5: :wacko:

I think an engine which is four times the size of yours and is tuned for racing, with an extra 3 cylinders might just have something to do with it as well.

I know that I am fairly fast even though there are plenty of faster riders out there than me. You my friend better be fooling around and not seriously doubting your ability and talent, cause your good.

[RiderInBlack]

TS your not slow! On the track I need my 1000 to your 150 just so I can pass you on the back straight, only to have you retake me exiting the hairpin and before passing the pit line:not: :not: You'd bet me all the way around the track with a TwoStroke 250:bye:

[FROSTY]

TS needs a gn125 for road riding--just to keep his licence--save the go fast for the track :devil2:

[Big Dog]

TS needs a gn125 for road riding--just to keep his licence--save the go fast for the track :devil2:
Magua is selling one. :niceone:

[Two Smoker]

TS needs a gn125 for road riding--just to keep his licence--save the go fast for the track :devil2:
LOL, i rode Milky's CB125T and had a fun time on that, although i didnt like the mega vibration and dodgy handing :crazy:

[MadDuck]

Id be keen to show some slower riders some lines (although i dont know much being slow myself) as i do this with Milky too increase his pace.... Mad Duck if you keen ill do it with you

Thanks for the offer TS id be more than keen. My concern is that I dont have velcro sticky on knee pads like you :not: I always get nervy when faster guys behind cos waiting for the "whoosh" as they zoom past. I am ok on the sweepers but the tight corners I often misjudge...mind elsewhere half the time! Its a girl thing :whistle:

MikeL mentioned about Pukekohe having "Track Days" where the marshalls take the slower people around and increase the pace over the day. It sounds like a brilliant way to get more confidence on the twisty bits I thought. Havent yet found the link but will let ya all know - unless MikeL reads this and posts it first.

[MikeL]

MD
Info about Track Time is at www.northacc.co.nz/track.html
Next day is in Oct I think.

[Kwaka-Kid]

http://www.northacc.co.nz/track.html
there you go, Tracktime! organised mostly(?) by Vince sharpe, just head down to Auckland motorcycle club on a thursday night and people can tell you all about it! or the one person on here thats a marshall at tracktime is Mitch - im sure she wouldnt mind a PM from anyone with Queries (she takes a female group out i THINK).

Anyways back to the ride. MadDuck im still sure things could have turned out better - what you did was sensible and well thought out, however making a ride for 250's (im assuming most 250 riders are learners, therefore not very experienced) and shooting some fast guys out front of them wasnt as sensible or well thought out!.

Sure if it happend on a big KB ride, or a typical MR/FF Ride (hehe!) which everyone knows is a fast one i would have more understanding. I really dont mean to kick up major fuss over this one example but to me it seems like a good ride was being set up by some new guys to it who thought they could go out with others their pace (hence 250ride) and the more experienced riders shot off possibly without giving much thought as to what the less experienced could be going through!. Ill admit im still there! its blimmin hard watching skilled guys go flying past and sweep through a corner so effortlessly whilst your 100m back thinking "hey thats awesome, people say ive got these good tyres and/or people tell me ive got some talent to this riding! damn i can keep up with him!" Least those were the thoughts that were going through my head on my first KB ride - right up untill the last KB ride, only now i really to try as best i can to be concious of it and be a little more realistic and just ride comfortably!.

Cant think of much more to put - and sorry im starting to think im just typing the same stuff over! Anyway im sure with what we have got down here so far the next ride is bound to be affected!(hopefully in the best way possible!)

[MadDuck]

MD
Info about Track Time is at www.northacc.co.nz/track.html
Next day is in Oct I think.


Thanks a heap MikeL. I am a definite starter...maybe I'll put a post on and we get some more KBers there.
MD

[Mongoose]

Read a far bit of this thread, yeah I know, should have read the lot, but here is my tuppence worth.
The worste place to be in a group is 3rd, the first two get past a car/truck.van/whatever and third guy is left in a quandery, to pass or to follow and wait. Third place, and behind that are the ones most likely to pick up a ticket if the front runners get out of view, you are always going for it just to keep up. Many "check points"en-route is a handy thing for group riding, no matter how experienced/inexperienced the whole group is.
That and some one out front that knows how to use a morror help too!

[MikeL]

Although I felt generally comfortable with the speeds on Sunday there were times when I felt the pressure not to be left behind as I wasn't all that familiar with the routes and was relying on staying with the group not to get lost (as eventually happened to one of the guys). I feel this is potentially a dangerous situation which needs to be given some careful thought on future rides.

[shandawg]

Just for the record, I reckon they guys on the big bikes were being pretty restrained on the ride on sunday, and definitely wouldn't blame them for my bin. At the end of the day, It's the rider's choice as to where in the pack they are.

Sure some of the big bikes had the odd blast, but that's why they have big bikes in the first place. Often SpankMe would rip up ahead, but just so someone was up at the next intersection to make sure everyone knew which way to go.

Actually, because I usually ride alone, I was really looking forward to seeing some of those big-HP bikes in action!

It's not as if (most of) us 250 guys weren't keen for a good thrash, and I was having an absolute ball up until that point (I think you all know what point). There was never any risk of getting left behind, as at every intersection there was a bit of a roll-call and off we go again.

I am definitely keen to get back on and join in on another KB ride soon, but will probably be a nana for the next couple of times while I rebuild my confidence :)

[Motoracer]

Just for the record, I reckon they guys on the big bikes were being pretty restrained on the ride on sunday, and definitely wouldn't blame them for my bin. At the end of the day, It's the rider's choice as to where in the pack they are.

Sure some of the big bikes had the odd blast, but that's why they have big bikes in the first place. Often SpankMe would rip up ahead, but just so someone was up at the next intersection to make sure everyone knew which way to go.

Actually, because I usually ride alone, I was really looking forward to seeing some of those big-HP bikes in action!

It's not as if (most of) us 250 guys weren't keen for a good thrash, and I was having an absolute ball up until that point (I think you all know what point). There was never any risk of getting left behind, as at every intersection there was a bit of a roll-call and off we go again.

I am definitely keen to get back on and join in on another KB ride soon, but will probably be a nana for the next couple of times while I rebuild my confidence :)

Good on ya man!

[NodMan]

Finally had to have a look in here...heard bout KKs thread...plenty of you guys know me already...some good some no so(Ya gotta be slow if I catch ya)....for the record Im KKs old man....been watchin and teachin him ride last 7 years...hes startin ta catch me now so I must be TOO old.....BUT hes learnt good survival skills way beyond his years...I enjoy riding with him and am happy to come out ridin tail end charlie with newer riders when the opportunity arises......Ive been on some insane rides over last 33 years but hate hospitals and morgues so I ride like an OLD fart now but at least an ALIVE OLD FART...(Till we put the blower on KKs drag bike)

RIDE THE ROAD...RACE THE TRACK....DRAG THE STRIP.....NODMAN

[Two Smoker]

GOod to see you online Nod :niceone: Your putting a blower on KK's drag bike????? :shit: :crazy:

Your both crazy as each other :crazy: hehehe

Looking forward to see the big yellow wheels on the rides too :niceone:

[Motoracer]

Finally had to have a look in here...heard bout KKs thread...plenty of you guys know me already...some good some no so(Ya gotta be slow if I catch ya)....for the record Im KKs old man....been watchin and teachin him ride last 7 years...hes startin ta catch me now so I must be TOO old.....BUT hes learnt good survival skills way beyond his years...I enjoy riding with him and am happy to come out ridin tail end charlie with newer riders when the opportunity arises......Ive been on some insane rides over last 33 years but hate hospitals and morgues so I ride like an OLD fart now but at least an ALIVE OLD FART...(Till we put the blower on KKs drag bike)

RIDE THE ROAD...RACE THE TRACK....DRAG THE STRIP.....NODMAN

Welcome to the site Mr NODMAN! :)