Wire Barriers

[SPman]

Norway has become the second country in the EU to outlaw "cheese cutter" wire barriers!

[jimbo600]

Yep, and the other countries that have not banned them have fitted plastic tubes to the cables.

But hey LTNZ is happy to forgo a couple of bikers in the name of road safety.

[Drum]

No way I'm getting into this one again!

[WarlockNZ]

No way I'm getting into this one again!

again !!! ... mjust have missed that post ... come on spill !!!

[thehollowmen]

Er.
Norway isn't in the EU IIRC. They'd have an economic collapse if they joined, but that's another matter.

I should ask MsM, she's over there at the moment.

[Drum]

again !!! ... mjust have missed that post ... come on spill !!!

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=29772

[James Deuce]

They don't drive/ride fast enough in Norway to do anything except get a a bit of rope burn if you fell off and hit them.

Max speed? 80km/hr. Jail time? 120 km/hr.

[snuffles]

They don't drive/ride fast enough in Norway to do anything except get a a bit of rope burn if you fell off and hit them.

Max speed? 80km/hr. Jail time? 120 km/hr.




Thats a good idea Jim2, youd fit right in:yes:

[thehollowmen]

They don't drive/ride fast enough in Norway to do anything except get a a bit of rope burn if you fell off and hit them.

Max speed? 80km/hr. Jail time? 120 km/hr.




That is incorrect. When I was last there they had one hundred zone about a kilometer long.
They now have a few 100 km/h zones, they're doing a lot of work to bring the roading up to Eu spec.

[James Deuce]

That is incorrect. When I was last there they had one hundred zone about a kilometer long.
They now have a few 100 km/h zones, they're doing a lot of work to bring the roading up to Eu spec.

When was the last time you were there?

My sister-in-law is home in Bergen now and they have just had huge ructions about the speed limit being 80km/hr DESPITE roading improvements.

They are looking at dropping the open road speed limit to 70 km/hr at the moment. Probably won't happen though.

[The Pastor]

They don't drive/ride fast enough in Norway to do anything except get a a bit of rope burn if you fell off and hit them.

Max speed? 80km/hr. Jail time? 120 km/hr.




Oh good, norway is the future of nz!

[imdying]

How many bikers in NZ have been killed by them??

[scracha]

Who's actually hit the cheesewire then? I'm just happy there's some roads with some sort of barrier to stop the ar$eholes coming onto my side of the road.

There are worse things than the cheesewire. You'd be better campaigning against the THOUSANDS of them bloody telegraph piles next to pretty much every major road in the country. Hit one of them in a car (never mind a bike) and you'd wish there was cheesewire around them.

[jimbo600]

How many bikers in NZ have been killed by them??

None, because we're all such good riders.

The point is LTNZ wank on about road safety etc yet still use methods that are banned in other countries.

No we haven't lost a biker on the cheese wires yet, but lets not have this happen to prove a point.

Yes they stop cars crossing the center line however a simple fix of putting plastic tubes on the wire would cater for motorcycle safety too, but noooooo that would cost too much, thereby illustrating the fact that LTNZ are full of shitolah

[Mr. Peanut]

Safety barriers are a form of roadside hazard. When considering whether to install a safety barrier, it is important to remember that the barrier will present some danger to the occupants of errant vehicles, and especially to unprotected road users such as motorcyclists. A barrier should only be installed if collision with it will present less of an injury risk to vehicle users and occupants than would result from collision with the roadside hazard that is to be shielded by the barrier.

It is important to consider specifically the danger posed to motorcyclists by both the hazard and the intended safety barrier. As essentially unprotected road users, motorcyclists are particularly vulnerable to unforgiving roadside environments; any obstacle in the path of an errant motorcyclist has the potential to cause severe injury. If it is decided that a safety barrier is necessary at a site, attention should be paid to the design of the barrier to ensure that it poses as little risk as possible to colliding motorcyclists.

http://www.transport.tas.gov.au/road/road_hazard%20_management/index.html

[jimbo600]

Safety barriers are a form of roadside hazard. When considering whether to install a safety barrier, it is important to remember that the barrier will present some danger to the occupants of errant vehicles, and especially to unprotected road users such as motorcyclists. A barrier should only be installed if collision with it will present less of an injury risk to vehicle users and occupants than would result from collision with the roadside hazard that is to be shielded by the barrier.

It is important to consider specifically the danger posed to motorcyclists by both the hazard and the intended safety barrier. As essentially unprotected road users, motorcyclists are particularly vulnerable to unforgiving roadside environments; any obstacle in the path of an errant motorcyclist has the potential to cause severe injury. If it is decided that a safety barrier is necessary at a site, attention should be paid to the design of the barrier to ensure that it poses as little risk as possible to colliding motorcyclists.

http://www.transport.tas.gov.au/road/road_hazard%20_management/index.html

Good stuff.

Rebuttle please Mr Knackstead............hello are you there?..............hello..........oh I get it making them safe cost money, not generate money

[gijoe1313]

Had my first squizzy at the wire cutters. I was riding down to Hamiltron way and saw them. Slightly nervous but just did the natural riding thing and didn't pay them any more mind after that.

The part I didn't like was where it ends up on both sides of the frikkin' road! Absolutely no leeway for error for a user on two wheels of freedom! Why can't they just plastic coat them (or wouldn't that make a difference?), ahh well! <_<

[Drum]

Good stuff.

Rebuttle please Mr Knackstead............hello are you there?..............hello..........oh I get it making them safe cost money, not generate money

LTNZ dont install barriers - or anything else for that matter. They are installed by Transit or local Road Controlling Authorities. If you want plastic tubes installed on cheese cutters, its Transit you should go after - not LTNZ.

[James Deuce]

Yes they stop cars crossing the center line however a simple fix of putting plastic tubes on the wire would cater for motorcycle safety too, but noooooo that would cost too much, thereby illustrating the fact that LTNZ are full of shitolah

Having hit a concrete barrier on the motorway at speed and then slid along it, without injury, I'm not sure how plastic covers will help. It's the getting tangled in the flipping cheesecutters, at speed, that worries me.

Is the cover you're talking about a cover for the entire fence and fastened at ground level, or is it a cover that slips over the wires themselves? If it's the latter, its no help. You'll still get tangled and have bits ripped off.

[Deano]

How many bikers in NZ have been killed by them??

Yeah, lets put our heads in the sand and pretend it won't happen. You don't mind being the first one ?

Read the research from overseas.


Who's actually hit the cheesewire then?

See above.


I'm just happy there's some roads with some sort of barrier to stop the ar$eholes coming onto my side of the road.


Hence the need for better drivers through education and training.

Also, if a vehicle in front of you hits the wires, it is more than likely it will be catapulted back at you, as shown on a video in here.



There are worse things than the cheesewire.

And there are better alternatives too.



You'd be better campaigning against the THOUSANDS of them bloody telegraph piles next to pretty much every major road in the country. Hit one of them in a car (never mind a bike) and you'd wish there was cheesewire around them.

How the fuck is cheescutter going to help a biker out in that situation. Oh right, you will be cut/ripped into 4 different and smaller pieces, each of which will have more chance of missing the post :doobey:

[Deano]

Having hit a concrete barrier on the motorway at speed and then slid along it, without injury, ..........

the cover you're talking about should (Deano insert) cover for the entire fence and fastened at ground level,

Ahh, the voice of reason and personal experience.....case closed.

[Coyote]

Is the cover you're talking about a cover for the entire fence and fastened at ground level
Don't think that'll ever happen. Reminds me of the British army not paying for the extra parachute in WWII cause lives weren't worth the extra 40 pounds

[Deano]

Don't think that'll ever happen. Reminds me of the British army not paying for the extra parachute in WWII cause lives weren't worth the extra 40 pounds

I guess the top brass (sitting in the comfort of their armchairs in the officer's mess, smoking cigars and supping brandy) didn't consider a soldier's/airman's life was worth much.

[jimbo600]

LTNZ dont install barriers - or anything else for that matter. They are installed by Transit or local Road Controlling Authorities. If you want plastic tubes installed on cheese cutters, its Transit you should go after - not LTNZ.

True, but LTNZ are the ones wanking on about road safety measures etc, my point is that if they were truely keen on all things safety they would indulge in condemming the wire barriers also. Transit build the roads according to some form of MOU I would imagine.