What a wonderful double standard [Archive]

StoneChucker

24th August 2006, 21:38

HOLY FUCK, NOW I'M ANGRY :angry:

I just watched some self righteous "female" activist on tv, gleaming over how she took a men's only barber shop to court to force them to cut women's hair, no doubt at the attractive men's rate. That owner, who opened the shop as a mens only barber shop, is now forced under the human rights act (according to the courts) to accept "women". Even though it is completely irrelevant, it's quite obvious "she" doesn't class "herself" as a "woman":zzzz:

So what you say, who gives a shit? Or maybe you think that's fair and just? There WAS a time when I might have thought along those lines, or more likely not given a flying fuck either way. What then, do you think of this:

Contours - "Where "woman" find strength":laugh:
A "woman"'s only club, where the owners started it up for "women" clientele only. How is that different? How the fucking hell is that different? Ok, so IF it were fair, all those super fat fugly "women" need a place to work out where all those icky men don't look at them exercising. Or maybe it's also that all those team switchers want a more condensed viewing environment? Then there's the group of "women" who think they are the fucking shiznit, and would be humiliating themselves by being anywhere where normal, common people are... Do you want to know where all the woman who want to exercise go? To normal bloody gyms. There's tens of thousands of woman who use normal gyms without ever being abducted by nasty dirty men. Do you want to know why? Because woman who are there to exercise, don't fuck around by standing around chatting over how men are barstards and how nice their little "exclusive" club is.

But oh heavenly fuck, smite any man who dare's think he can run a business how he see's fit. Not that I give a shit where the fuck I exercise (at Les Mills), or have my hair cut (at a unisex hair salon), I just find the blatantly obvious double standard rather pathetic.

Is it that only "women" are self conscious? Are "women" the only gender who have the right to choose whether they associate with society or in their discriminatory, double-standards clubs? Do men never want to go somewhere where they (and the business owner) choose to keep exclusive for men? Do fat, fugly men working out feel any different to fat, fugly women? Do men who bat for the other side not have the right to be somewhere they have a condensed viewing environment (NOT that that's the case or even relevant, but it ties back into my first couple of paragraphs).

Ok, so if "women" have the right to run exclusive clubs, then so do men. If "women" don't want to be around the opposite sex and have the right to enforce that, then so do men. Why stop there? If "women's" rights are to enforce that prejudice, then is it different if white people feel honestly uncomfortable in an environment condensed with black people? (white and black distinctions used as a general reference, any & every color/race/creed is implied). So then getting a White's only, Male only club going won't cause offence? What is the difference? What is REALLY the difference? (Don't just think or reply some general statements like "because that's just wrong").

One day (when I'm bored with life, i.e. someday soon) I might go join Contours, and take offence to being turned away, after having my human rights transgressed.

MattRSK

24th August 2006, 21:44

You cant win man. Im 19 and I already know this. They are woman. Hope we don't hear them roar.

sAsLEX

24th August 2006, 21:46

Same thing happens with the blacks and every other minority in the world mate just take note and move on

WarlockNZ

24th August 2006, 21:48

One day (when I'm bored with life, i.e. someday soon) I might go join Contours, and take offence to being turned away, after having my human rights transgressed.

hee hee ... i'm in!! ... lets just stop the talk and do it ... lol

Indiana_Jones

24th August 2006, 21:50

I hate femist bitches.

Double standards.

-Indy

StoneChucker

24th August 2006, 21:51

Same thing happens with the blacks and every other minority in the world mate just take note and move on

QUICK - Read my edit, I edited my post while the first few replies were being written... I added a race reference

twinkle

24th August 2006, 21:51

so how much is contours to join?

That lady sounds pretty fucked up.

MattRSK

24th August 2006, 21:53

I have femist bitches.

Double standards.

-Indy

Haha Indy, talking with your mouthful again.

TonyB

24th August 2006, 21:53

Same thing happens with the blacks and every other minority in the world mate just take note and move on

Aren't there more women than men in NZ?

Swoop

24th August 2006, 22:13

If this carries on, they'll want the right to vote soon...:gob: :dodge:

By the look of her she only wanted a #2 cut anyway.
$10-, "thank you, come again!".

MattRSK

24th August 2006, 22:14

If this carries on, they'll want the right to vote soon...:gob: :dodge:

I hope that day never comes. Imagine when they get into parliment. :shit:

judecatmad

24th August 2006, 22:15

Yeah, I saw her on the news tonight too - I can see for her that going to a barber's shop isn't too great an ordeal cos it's not as though she needs an up-do or anything :rofl:

Next that poor barber will be getting sued for having been forced to do some woman's hair and making a total hash of it cos they're not trained to do women's hairdressing....*sigh* what is this world coming to when people feel the need to have the absolute right to go everywhere????

Swoop

24th August 2006, 22:16

I hope that day never comes. Imagine when they get into parliment. :shit:

Never happen.

and certainly a woman will never be prime minister of NZ.:shit:

crashe

24th August 2006, 22:17

sAsLEX

24th August 2006, 22:18

QUICK - Read my edit, I edited my post while the first few replies were being written... I added a race reference

you sneakyy.........

Fat Tony

24th August 2006, 22:27

--

ROFLMFAO...

Ms Piggy

24th August 2006, 22:41

I hate femist bitches.

Double standards.

-Indy

But you don't hate me ;)

Indiana_Jones

24th August 2006, 22:45

But you don't hate me ;)

No I don't, but you have some common sense, dear. :sunny:

-Indy

jazbug5

24th August 2006, 22:47

Ms Piggy

24th August 2006, 22:59

But Cath- you're not a bitch. Or a 'femist'. whatever that is.

I think that poor, feeble Indy meant to say that he doesn't like feminist bitches, but possibly does like non feminist bitches, and feminists who are not bitches.

Am I right?

Thanks Jaz - miles away and yet u still manage to put my feminazi mind at ease. Thanks be to the Goddess for you - I shall sacrifice a young virgin in your honour....now where is he!! :devil2:

StoneChucker

24th August 2006, 23:26

Righto, let me get into this wee debate with you lads...

A few years ago I had to have my hair shaved off due a having a number of large cysts cut out of my head... rather than the dr trying to cut around hair and cut them out and then put in the stitches and then later try to find the stitches in my crop of hair, when it was time to remove all the stitches. As in the past he had trouble when I have had the stitches removed before. It made life easier for the dr as well...

I went into a BARBER shop yep a barber's and asked to have all my head of hair shaved off to a number 1 all over...

Did I have a problem.... nope the old guy asked "Are you sure" I said "Yep shave it off" he got the clippers out and it cost me $10.... had my beanie to wear until I got to my bike and put my helmet on.

So I have no idea what the woman was going on about... as barbers will cut/shave womens hair off...

And my hair grew back....

That is how a woman carries herself, and deals with life. It would be lovely if this were the norm...

yet u still manage to put my feminazi mind at ease
?:mellow: I don't understand why these "woman" (NOT you Cath, I'm speaking in line with my first post) have to validate themselves by constantly trying to assert themselves in every way, shape and form! They're not happy with the double standard they've enforced, they have to make certain their point is driven home by these sort of stunts, done only to point out their "superiority" and make sure these double standards are kept that way.

Please don't start the whole woman not being equal to men arguement (again, not you cath :)). It's like the old Apartheid in SA or the treaty farce here... Completely reversing the situation because of transgressions of generations past, does not necessarily fix the matter or make it ok for the present generation. Fuck, there is no matter, I don't see any discriminations at the moment? All my managers at work are women, the prime minister is a women (allegedly), etc...

Besides, this is not about the equality of men to woman (or vice versa), I will not comment on that topic again in this thread. Read my first post again.

limbimtimwim

25th August 2006, 00:26

In the manner she was speaking, I think she did it on purpose. I think she went in there, knowing that she might have been refused service (Maybe she had heard she would be), and then went off to kick up a stink. Assert herself, thinking she was doing it for the benefit of womankind, as you said.

So, in short, what am trying to say is; it was staged.

Did you know that Rosa Parks, getting on that bus, sitting in the 'wrong' place was staged? A 'set move' to start a chain of events that was, at least in part, planned? It wasn't some random act of defiance.

I imagine this woman feels a little like Rosa now, and I actually think she was correct. The letter and spirit of the law is on her side.

She will be one of very few woman who will feel comfortable going there, let her wear her badge of pride.

Unlike Rosa's stand, going to the barber is a minor battle in a war whose outcome is already decided, at least in New Zealand.

She's no renegade, no earth shaker, she is an attention seeker. And we are giving it to her right now, history is made by those who write it. If we ignore her, she won't even rank a footnote.

Nicksta

25th August 2006, 01:21

I'm in full agreement.... why cant there be male barbers?? a man's style of haircut is generally different to a woman's.... she forgets there are a lot of women only things.. like Contours... where men aren't allowed... but there are "clubs" where women havent been allowed untill recently in auckland too....
i say, if you want a $10 cut.. go to just cuts or the like.... and quit stomping your feet woman.

Pathos

25th August 2006, 01:56

The barber was an idiot, he should have taken the opportunity to lop her hair off.

ogr1

25th August 2006, 06:13

I think your confusing those women with lesbo's, if that's the case?
Who really gives a fug? Let em get on with it, cause they ain't tarnishing the streets.

What?

25th August 2006, 06:22

...and certainly a woman will never be prime minister of NZ.:shit:

Um, Jim Bolger????

kro

25th August 2006, 06:38

The dark cloud of "civil rights" brings out the PC umbrellas everytime.

We have a couple of women only gyms in Nelson, and I don't begrudge women for wanting to have a fitness ,where they don't think they are being perved or leered at, so in return I expect my barbershop to remain a "guys haven". Is that too much to ask?. Actually, to hell with it, next time the Mens public loos are full, I'm using the ladies.

Big Dave

25th August 2006, 06:43

If a man behaves like a gentleman at all times feminism becomes moot.

WINJA

25th August 2006, 07:35

Im With You On This , I Always Use The Ladies Toilets

Clockwork

25th August 2006, 08:11

The barber would have found it cheaper and easier to give her a really bad haircut and a full refund!! :gob:

KATWYN

25th August 2006, 08:25

Contours - "Where "woman" find strength":laugh:
A.

It would be interesting to see a man join Contours gym tho ...the dumbells only go up to a maximum of about 15 kilos apparently. So I have been told.

re the barber shop saga - I think its a double standard.

A mens only place, where woman dare to tread....try Mustangs

WRT

25th August 2006, 08:28

If a man behaves like a gentleman at all times feminism becomes moot.

I dont agree, but I do like your sentiment.

Part of being a gentleman is making a woman feel like a lady. Feminists dont want to be ladies. They dont want a man to open the door, pull out their chair, or protect them from "evil" - percieved or real. This is just one aspect of being a gentleman I know, but it is an important part, and one which an increasing number of hairy armpitted man haters dont want.

Their loss, I say.

I'm happy to have feminists as friends, although traditionally we have never seen eye to eye enough to become close friends. I would never see fit to dating a feminist. I much prefer a lady to a woman.

Lou Girardin

25th August 2006, 08:29

So who's going to join contours?
I do find it funny that so many women complain that there's no good available men, yet so many men look to other ethnic groups for wives.
Could there be a link?
Could it be that many NZ men are tired of hard eyed harpies who's first question is "what do you do"? As in, "how much do you earn?"
I've heard guys complain about this time and again.
And to answer the inevitable question, my wife is a NZ'er, earns more than me and while very succesful in her field, is anything but a harpie.

sAsLEX

25th August 2006, 08:33

Aren't there more women than men in NZ?

Do I talk about woman in my quote? I think I refer to "blacks" and other minorities, playing on the fact Stone is a SA ....

KATWYN

25th August 2006, 08:38

yet so many men look to other ethnic groups for wives.
Could there be a link?
Could it be that many NZ men are tired of hard eyed harpies who's first question is "what do you do"? As in, "how much do you earn?"
.

Instead these ethnic groups you are talking about may be more subtle at finding out the answer to that question than these up front Kiwi gals?? I mean I gather these groups are after financial security after all, and looking to be treated better by kiwi men than their own ethnicity - this would motivate someone to be clever

If I was dating I wouldn't be interested in how much my potential suiter
earns- pathetic. But I would be interested in "what they do" only out of
pure interest.

Drunken Monkey

25th August 2006, 09:35

...If I was dating I wouldn't be interested in how much my potential suiter
earns- pathetic. ....

Why not? A potential partner who earns more would be able to provide a safer home and better education for your potential children. Hey, it's in our biology to pick for survival traits, and lots of money is a modern survival trait.

The_Dover

25th August 2006, 10:53

lots of money is a modern survival trait.

that's why Finn is my bitch.

ManDownUnder

25th August 2006, 10:59

that's why Finn is my bitch.

You two timing bastard! No more midnight treats for you

ManDownUnder

25th August 2006, 11:04

If that barber didn't want her in his shop he could have simply done a shit job... she would have come back to complain... he'd tell her to go somewhere else and pay for her haricut somewhere else... (using the money he was paid for the first one).

$0.00 sum game, and she's outta there!

Yeah there are still a lot of double standards... and they're being chpped away one by one. Turn the double standard on it's head... if she can do it so can we all.. as you rightly pointed out. Ring contours and confirm WHY they don't allow male members (pun not intended... albeit a goody!)

Male assault Female vs Common Assualt per the discussions of a while ago. No such statute of Female Assult Male

Men's only Gym would be cool.

What about the Pakeha All Blacks?

What bastions of gender, race or religous segragetion remain? What about laws?

But... and it's a big butt... do we really want to get rid of them?

The_Dover

25th August 2006, 11:10

Men's only Gym would be cool.

Fuck that!

ManDownUnder

25th August 2006, 11:14

Fuck that!

Yeah good point - I take it back.

How about a gym only for BMI between 18 and 25? Or body fat less than 15% and weight between 50 and 90 kgs?

Age from 18 to 25?

jazbug5

25th August 2006, 11:16

... and one which an increasing number of hairy armpitted man haters dont want.

Do tell: where are these increasing numbers of 'hairy armpitted man haters' of which you speak? The eighties are long past, and 'feminism' has virtually become a caricature and an insult. I sometimes wonder about the paranoid delusions often held by people who think the occasional vociferous nutter speaks for all women who may or may not espouse 'feminism' - whatever it means to them...

I do find it funny that so many women complain that there's no good available men, yet so many men look to other ethnic groups for wives.

HA! You don't think those girls (if by this you are alluding to mail order bride types) are marrying for economic reasons half the time? Maybe they *are* better at giving ageing middle aged guys what they want.
As for the hard faced 'how much do you earn' crap- I don't see that as being a 'feminist' trait at all. Surely that's more of a 'gold digger' thing? I thought the whole point was that a woman should be able to support herself, not leech off some poor guy. Unfortunately, I think this is a dynamic that won't go away as long as guys prefer fake boobs and sweet lies, and as long as the media perpetuates it by promoting this as a valid 'career option'.

*sigh* Aaaaanyway. Go ahead and take everything I just said the wrong way, because I just know you will. Need I add that I think the 'Barber Shop Woman' needs to get a life and look for something that actually matters to get het up about? Probably, so I just did.

inlinefour

25th August 2006, 11:25

With most things there is a right way and a wrong way. However with women its just their way.

End of lesson. :whocares:

The_Dover

25th August 2006, 11:34

Beemer

25th August 2006, 11:46

There was a similar instance in Wellington when I worked on a local paper there - a hairdresser offered $10 haircuts for men but women's ones were $16. Someone complained and she tried explaining it took very little time to do a man's cut but a woman's cut required more faffing around and blow waving, etc but the stupid HRC wouldn't budge.

I went to Contours once but found there was no incentive to exercise! It was full of huge fat housewives who could hardly lumber from one machine to the other. I only lasted a month or so before going back to a unisex gym where I could perve at the men and be inspired to work harder because it was full of hunky men to impress!

I don't have a problem with equal rights and so on, but I don't like preferential treatment for certain groups, whether they are male, female, or of a particular race, etc. Respect is something you have to earn - it's similar to giving up your seat on a train or bus - if I were male I wouldn't automatically give it up for a female, but as a female I would offer it to an older person irregardless of their gender.

Why don't we celebrate the differences rather than moan that we are being discriminated against because someone won't give us an army haircut? Why doesn't she buy a razor and do it herself?

The_Dover

25th August 2006, 11:53

Why don't we celebrate the differences rather than moan that we are being discriminated against because someone won't give us an army haircut? Why doesn't she buy a razor and do it herself?

i'm beginning to suspect you are a post op transexual.

all of these logical and practical comments from one woman

or does you husband use your login?

Lou Girardin

25th August 2006, 12:02

As for the hard faced 'how much do you earn' crap- I don't see that as being a 'feminist' trait at all.

Didn't say it was.

Beemer

25th August 2006, 12:21

i'm beginning to suspect you are a post op transexual.

all of these logical and practical comments from one woman

or does you husband use your login?

Sorry to disappoint you on all counts - the only op I've had is the bilateral arthroscopy that's left me with an inability to chew steak properly and my husband is currently at work, earning money to buy me wine!

Never have been fan of radical feminists - except the burning of bras part - man, they are uncomfortable things!

Besides, I just love men - anything wrong with that? (But now I'm married I just admire other men from a distance!)

WRT

25th August 2006, 12:23

the occasional vociferous nutter speaks for all women

LOL I think they are one and the same with the hairy armpitted man haters I was talking about. That comment of mine was a windup, sorry if I didnt ladle enough sarcasm on it though.

Meanwhile, its always the outspoken few that ruin it for the rest, regardless what topic you choose to discuss.

StoneChucker

25th August 2006, 13:57

Ok, I'm serious now. I have read a few replies from people who suggested that they might be interested...

Please PM me if you are seriously interested in joining Contours. I don't see why the hell not, there is no difference. We can finalise details via PM.

Deano

25th August 2006, 14:01

Middle class white males...the new minority.

Karma

25th August 2006, 14:15

Yeah good point - I take it back.

How about a gym only for BMI between 18 and 25? Or body fat less than 15% and weight between 50 and 90 kgs?

Age from 18 to 25?

That's me out on 3 counts then.

Thanks bitch.

Only got me on two counts :D

Les Mills is good enough for me, plenty of chicks around to get the old heart pumping... havn't worked up to the Aerobics class yet, but that's gotta be as close as you get to heaven... surely everyone remembers Call On Me ;)

Big Dave

25th August 2006, 14:16

I dont agree, but I do like your sentiment.

Part of being a gentleman is making a woman feel like a lady. Feminists dont want to be ladies. They dont want a man to open the door, pull out their chair, or protect them from "evil" - percieved or real. This is just one aspect of being a gentleman I know, but it is an important part, and one which an increasing number of hairy armpitted man haters dont want.

Their loss, I say.

I'm happy to have feminists as friends, although traditionally we have never seen eye to eye enough to become close friends. I would never see fit to dating a feminist. I much prefer a lady to a woman.

I'm a large and strong alpha male.
I open doors for people, pop jar lids, carry the heaviest pack, go first when it's sus - nobody has ever complained.
Still maintain you treat people with decency and respect and even yer rabbid man hater will admit we have uses.
Easier said than done.
With you on the lady front - (as long as there is a dirty girl down deep.)

WRT

25th August 2006, 14:29

I'm a large and strong alpha male.
I open doors for people, pop jar lids, carry the heaviest pack, go first when it's sus - nobody has ever complained.
Still maintain you treat people with decency and respect and even yer rabbid man hater will admit we have uses.
Easier said than done.

I'm a small weak beta male with delusions of being an alpha plus (pt).

I do all the above and while I dont normally get complaints, I do get surly "I can do it"'s on a semi regular basis (different generation perhaps? Who knows), while the person removing the jar lid spends the next half hour huffing and puffing over the task at hand. Note this isnt talking about any one person in particular, just women (and sometimes men, but that's not what we are discussing here I dont think) acquaintences in general. I agree that you should treat people with decency and respect - unless its not returned. And even those that dont repay in kind will still get fair treatment, but will loose my respect and any special favours.

WRT

25th August 2006, 14:34

With you on the lady front - (as long as there is a dirty girl down deep.)

LOL - like your edit. You got it in one. :niceone:

placidfemme

25th August 2006, 14:49

In a nut shell... Nz is too PC. Had I been the judge in the case or whatever I would have laughed at her... for $10 she could have gone to the warehouse and brough a damn razor and done the job herself... like some other people mentioned... sounds like she was just stirring

If you guys are gonna join the womens gym lol let us know how it goes... :)

sAsLEX

25th August 2006, 14:53

The Pastor

25th August 2006, 15:42

This is why I ride motorbikes, To get away from bullshit. It doesnt bother me, I get my haircut where ever and couldnt care less about where anyone else gets their haircut. No amount of feminists will ever stop me riding my bike. Apart from if they join the police. And drive very fast to catch up to me.

Big Dave

25th August 2006, 16:44

If you guys are gonna join the womens gym lol let us know how it goes... :)

Sitting down to pee and wearing moisturiser inside a week.

jazbug5

25th August 2006, 17:44

Didn't say it was.

Ok, sorry if that wasn't what you meant- but given the context you can see how that meaning would be inferred...

sunhuntin

25th August 2006, 18:13

It would be interesting to see a man join Contours gym tho ...the dumbells only go up to a maximum of about 15 kilos apparently. So I have been told.

re the barber shop saga - I think its a double standard.

A mens only place, where woman dare to tread....try Mustangs

we used to have a womens only gym here in wangas...was like 3times the cost of a co-ed gym and recently shut down, likely due to lack of membership. id much rather go to a co-ed gym....i feel women are more likely to pick at the other members than men.

we have barbers in my town...and id never go in and ask for a haircut! that would be stupid. thats mens territory. heaps of other hair places in town.

Mr. Peanut

25th August 2006, 18:28

Feminism can't be generalised. There are extremes, as with anything.

* Amazon feminism
* Anarcha-Feminism
* Anti-racist feminism
* Black Feminism
* Chicana Feminism
* cultural feminism
* Difference feminism
* ecofeminism
* existentialist feminism
* feminism in Japan
* French feminism
* individualist feminism (also known as libertarian feminism)
* lesbian feminism
* liberal feminism
* male feminism or Pro-feminist men
* Marxist feminism (related to socialist feminism)]
* material feminism
* New feminism
* pop feminism
* post-colonial feminism
* postmodern feminism which includes queer theory
* psychoanalytic feminism
* radical feminism
* separatist feminism
* socialist feminism
* spiritual feminism
* standpoint feminism
* third-world feminism
* transnational feminism
* transfeminism
* womanism

And my personal favourite...

* pro-sex feminism (also known as sexually liberal feminism, sex-positive feminism, do me feminism) :love:

StoneChucker

25th August 2006, 19:39

ha ha... Good to see that humor shines through all :sunny:
By the way, any legal beagle types here? I have a question or two:dodge:

jazbug5

25th August 2006, 20:33

Feminism can't be generalised. There are extremes, as with anything.

* Amazon feminism
(etc, etc, etc)
And my personal favourite...

* pro-sex feminism (also known as sexually liberal feminism, sex-positive feminism, do me feminism) :love:

Can we pick n' mix? I'll have libertarian, eco, existential, with a side order* of pro sex then, please. :D

* ..or should that read 'on the side'..?

Ixion

25th August 2006, 21:00

Professional sex on the side. Goodness, is this appropriate for a librarian? :devil2: 'Twas bad enough the police woman moonlighting thus, now I see she's started a trend.

jazbug5

25th August 2006, 21:07

Professional sex on the side. Goodness, is this appropriate for a librarian? :devil2: 'Twas bad enough the police woman moonlighting thus, now I see she's started a trend.

Hey, a girl has to pay for her bike habit somehow....

inlinefour

25th August 2006, 21:15

Middle class white males...the new minority.

Bunch of sad cunts that quite possibly ride gixxers? :gob:

twinkle

25th August 2006, 21:44

Deano

26th August 2006, 07:38

Bunch of sad cunts that quite possibly ride gixxers? :gob:

I was actually being serious for once. The world has become so PC it seems that white middle class males are the most discriminated against these days.

Still, I'm happy. There are bigger things to be concerned about than this IMO.

candor

27th August 2006, 13:16

Her actions bring shame on us. Human rights are there to invoke over serious matters. Barber shops are traditionally male - what makes her think she can overcome hundreds of years or whatever of custom.

I walked by a barbershop in Lower Hutt and was short of time so impulsively ducked in to ask for a cut just lately. They declined because"sorry we only do mens cuts". No problem - that is and should be their choice I thought as I turned tail and walked out. I was not traumatised - did not feel my human rights were violated, after all I knew it probably might be just for men, but had thought I'd try it out and see as a quick cut woulda been convenient. Cos sometimes you must wait days to get into a salon round here.

What will this woman do if she ever encounters any real injustice - blow a fuse? Besides I thought shops were private property and you could put a trespass order on creeps. I hope the barber does that on her.

A guy telling me the other day he was refused orchard work and the reason given was that he was Iraqi. Did he go to human rights commission. No - he said "don't want to work where I'm not welcome" and got a job at dry cleaners instead. IMO this woman is a Rosa Parks without a real issue.

No support on this one - she just increases the considerable animosity toward women here in NZ that Helen Clarks existence has bought about.
Whining about nothing.

BTW - toilets are unisex in some countries.

limbimtimwim

27th August 2006, 13:26

BTW - toilets are unisex in some countries.She'd hate that!

crashe

27th August 2006, 13:49

BTW - toilets are unisex in some countries.

We have them here already in Auckland... to name but a few:
Western Springs Park - (a few of them near the kids playing area)
Henderson - Railside Ave (near the court House)
Te Atatu Peninsula (down by the beach)

I am sure that there is many more of them around NZ.......

jonbuoy

27th August 2006, 20:06

The barber was an idiot, he should have taken the opportunity to lop her hair off.

I'll say, he should have given her the worst haircut he possibly could.

StoneChucker

27th August 2006, 20:52

I guess I'll have to ask the question here to get my "legal beagle" response:yes:

What does one need as "proof" of being denied entry/access to a public facility based on ones gender? I want equal proof/rights as that "woman" who was turned away from the barbers shop. Do I need to take someone with me to film the rejection? Must I ask for a written refusal (not like they would...) Would a cellphone audio/video clip be necessary, or do I just need my word? (with regards to having a similar case as that "woman", if/when I join a "woman" only facility)?

PM is preferred...

MattRSK

27th August 2006, 20:59

Yeah good point - I take it back.

How about a gym only for BMI between 18 and 25? Or body fat less than 15% and weight between 50 and 90 kgs?

Age from 18 to 25?

That would be good. I am about a BMI 19.

candor

27th August 2006, 23:06

Forget Contours - aim higher, try and get into the nunnery!

KATWYN

28th August 2006, 09:29

/when I join a "woman" only facility)?

...

Hey Stonechucker

My hubby enjoyed your origional thread and agrees with all this too and wonders why men don't have the same
option. (i.e.,

I am the only woman/female/girl/lady (for those cheeky KB's!- Dover)....that works-out in the weights room at my gym. All the woman workout in the other cardio room (doing cardio) they never venture in to the weights room. Maybe only a handful of woman over the past year whenever i'm there have ever worked out in the weights area. I don't know why this is I have heard woman are afraid of heavy weights as they think they could bulk up. Anyway

I find the men in the weights room really great. They just do their own thing and sometimes if i'm struggling and don't have a spotter, a man will come over and spot me without me needing to ask. Very considerate I thought as this can also interrupt their own workout pace.

The men are actually in the gym to work out.....contrary to popular belief they are not in there to perv on us girls. Although I have never really looked too much, I see (and hear) a lot of hard work going on and have never seen "perving."

Although the men are great,sometimes I have felt like i'm encroaching on their space and have felt a bit awkward. Its like being the only woman
drinking on a 'Boys night out' with the boys ....its a boys night out! (but thats how I feel its not them) I have seen reactions from some men in my gym when i'm in the weights room that clearly they are not comfortable with me being in there when they are working out. It may be insecurities as well
which is understandable or it could be "Hey girly, weights are for boys not girls"

My hubby and I both agree that it works both ways with this man and womans gym argument.

Katie

StoneChucker

1st September 2006, 00:21

Hey Stonechucker

My hubby enjoyed your origional thread and agrees with all this too and wonders why men don't have the same
option. (i.e.,

Although the men are great,sometimes I have felt like i'm encroaching on their space and have felt a bit awkward. Its like being the only woman
drinking on a 'Boys night out' with the boys ....its a boys night out! (but thats how I feel its not them) I have seen reactions from some men in my gym when i'm in the weights room that clearly they are not comfortable with me being in there when they are working out. It may be insecurities as well
which is understandable or it could be "Hey girly, weights are for boys not girls"

My hubby and I both agree that it works both ways with this man and womans gym argument.

Katie

Hey Katie

I can see where you're coming from. Although this wont change your feelings immediately, I honestly think (from a guys point of view), if the weights guys are looking at you occasionally (for whatever reason), it is only because as you say it's an unusual thing, or at least it used to be. I go to Les Mills on Taranaki St Wgtn, and when I was in the weights room today (for physio/rehab) there were equal numbers of men to woman! And to be more specific, the woman were more experienced than the guys were... Generations of today have long forgotten the stereotypes of different groups of times past (or even better, never had them in the first place, like myself). I really think you can use any area of the gym, and feel (and be) just as qualified or as "normal" as anyone else there.

Going back to my original gripes, when I was in Les Mills yesterday, I read that their new club opening in Lower Hutt will have a suspended womans gym from the ceiling, with the latest G3 technology LCD entertainment systems and equipment. Us ogres on the ground floor just get the normal entertainment systems and standard equipment... Nice:angry:

I don't know how much more of this I can take:sick:

KATWYN

1st September 2006, 08:48

StoneChucker

1st September 2006, 13:12

Is'nt this now your opportunity to do your workouts in the
suspended gym with the latest G3 technology LCD entertainment systems and equipment instead of the ground floor...........this will be interesting :corn:

Nope, I don't want to cause a scene - I can't fit through the entrance of the suspended womans gym at the moment (:dodge: ), with the latest G3 LCD entertainment systems and equipment.

Although, I hear they are replacing the walls of the suspended womans area with iron bars, making a suspended cage. They are then serving alcohol at the refreshments bar, charging an extra cover charge to enter and building private rooms in the back, for 1 on 1 "personal training"... :) [pt]

Deano

1st September 2006, 13:20

BTW - toilets are unisex in some countries.

Same at the nursing block - Massey Uni, Wgtn.

Try taking a huge dump.......bbbbbrrrrrrrpppppppttttttttt splash, with a hot nursing student next door. Then come out to wash your hands at the same time. :gob:

idb

1st September 2006, 13:34

Im With You On This , I Always Use The Ladies Toilets

Not me....."Just looking, thanks".

idb

1st September 2006, 13:55

I took my mullet into a barber's years ago and was turned away because "we don't do long hair". Huh?
Thank God I don't have to worry about that ever happening again!

Big Dave

1st September 2006, 14:08

I took my mullet into a barber's years ago and was turned away because "we don't do long hair". Huh?
Thank God I don't have to worry about that ever happening again!

I always assumed that one of the primary sources of Saturday night entertainment in Arrowtown would be watching the haircuts. You think you can pick a place, huh?

idb

1st September 2006, 16:16

I always assumed that one of the primary sources of Saturday night entertainment in Arrowtown would be watching the haircuts. You think you can pick a place, huh?

Ayuh!
It's a big gatherin' place is old man Horton's barbershop.
Jus' sittin' around chewin' baccy and discussin' matters of the day waitin' for our shave an' brylcreem.

Big Dave

1st September 2006, 16:35

Ayuh!
It's a big gatherin' place is old man Horton's barbershop.
Jus' sittin' around chewin' baccy and discussin' matters of the day waitin' for our shave an' brylcreem.

Yeah - we've gone from Druckers Store to Friends for sterotypical warm and comfy places.
I'm still at Druckers too.

mikey

1st September 2006, 17:44

Going back to my original gripes, when I was in Les Mills yesterday, I read that their new club opening in Lower Hutt will have a suspended womans gym from the ceiling, with the latest G3 technology LCD entertainment systems and equipment. Us ogres on the ground floor just get the normal entertainment systems and standard equipment... Nice:angry:
I don't know how much more of this I can take:sick:

i been working in there, there are some massive steel beams holding that little "womens only" part up, dont know what there trying to say about the weight of 12-20 women........

one of my friends is a personal trainer there so ive got free entry if iever could be fuked going, an i would go an work out in the womens section, just for kicks an thrills, then put up a protest about sexism an ill sue you bla bla when they try kick me out.

but following that argument of sexism, equal rights, would i be allowed to play with the toys in the kiddies creche with the kiddies? i could sue them for being ageistic or what ever the word is

an following that argument of sexism i should be able to receive all the benefits that mari receive in nz, as not giving them to me would be RACIST!

Paul in NZ

1st September 2006, 19:27

But you don't hate me ;)

Thats 'cos you are a feminist 'Lady' of the best quality m'dear.. No one could hate a person capable of riding an RS250 around the south island, it would be like hating Bambi... Quite impossible...

StoneChucker

1st September 2006, 19:29

i been working in there, there are some massive steel beams holding that little "womens only" part up, dont know what there trying to say about the weight of 12-20 women........

one of my friends is a personal trainer there so ive got free entry if iever could be fuked going, an i would go an work out in the womens section, just for kicks an thrills, then put up a protest about sexism an ill sue you bla bla when they try kick me out.

but following that argument of sexism, equal rights, would i be allowed to play with the toys in the kiddies creche with the kiddies? i could sue them for being ageistic or what ever the word is

an following that argument of sexism i should be able to receive all the benefits that mari receive in nz, as not giving them to me would be RACIST!

What the hell is wrong with you Mikey? You're making too much sense lately :rockon:

Although, I'll draw my line at playing in the daycare area:innocent:
It's funny though, I pay the same fee's as women do, yet I will be receiving substandard services...

Hey Mikey, wanna put in a $2 Million treaty claim with me?