New proposed F3 rules

[GSVR]

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/news2.aspx?SectionID=29&ArticleID=7809

[HDTboy]

Everyone with a 450 multi will be unhappy about that

[kickingzebra]

So to my reading that would mean all those SVs with gsxr front ends would have to swap back to OEM part, is that correct?
Cans, but no full systems... No porting and polishing etc...
Suppose that would make it fairer on all in the class.

[Bartman10]

SV 650's would be out too

4-3 Twin cylinder four strokes shall be limited as follows.

b)Over 500cc two valve per cylinder, are restricted to 750cc and fuel as above. Over 640cc must not be water-cooled.


Or am I mistaken?

[gpercivl]

The SV's are allowed in close to std form covered under section C in the MNZ proposal..my 450 motor is just about finished...might be quick for 1 year I guess :sick:

[HDTboy]

Bartman10, look at 4-3c

[cowpoos]

bloody fair I say.....will make the bike I'm building even more compeditive tha n i thought!!!!

[roogazza]

Good stuff ! Let the man decide the winner, not the bike.

( let the cheating begin !!!!! ) ha. G.

[bistard]

Thats funny,these are pretty much the rules I was suggesting, when MNZ first mentioned SVs in F3,rather than all the rest of us with 400s chasing our arses & spending money on 450 kits(which I have refused to do)SVs should have been allowed to race for the first season in standard trim & then we could see about mods

[sugilite]

Thats funny,these are pretty much the rules I was suggesting, when MNZ first mentioned SVs in F3,rather than all the rest of us with 400s chasing our arses & spending money on 450 kits(which I have refused to do)SVs should have been allowed to race for the first season in standard trim & then we could see about mods

I agree, these new rules look to be fair, though SV's and the like should be just allowed to modify standard shocks, there isa $1500 + saving!

Oh, and thanks for ruining my power to weight ratio by festooning the ZX10R with Sawyer stickers, Bistard!!!

[motobob]

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/news2.aspx?SectionID=29&ArticleID=7809


So Garry did you put the GSX front end on? Didn't get to ask at Manfield.

Pity MNZ allow people to head in one direction and then reverse their stratergy. What was their original intention for F3?

[FROSTY]

well Guesswhos got his order in for a cagiva raptor???
lets see em complain about that one

[GSVR]

So Garry did you put the GSX front end on? Didn't get to ask at Manfield.

Pity MNZ allow people to head in one direction and then reverse their stratergy. What was their original intention for F3?

My bike has a a GSXR frontend just like the one Glen Williams has in his bike now. Can't wait to test it out this Friday at Manfeild. Glen will still kick my arse but not by as much now (less than 2 secs a lap I'll be happy).

By 2008 if Suzuki are still making SV650s I'm sure they will be a much more refined bike and a 3rd generation model.

[GSVR]

well Guesswhos got his order in for a cagiva raptor???
lets see em complain about that one

You mean theres a waiting list for these? Lifes mysterys huh. Craptor I say.

[cowpoos]

well Guesswhos got his order in for a cagiva raptor???
lets see em complain about that one

hyosung will be a better bet....cheaper and priddy much the same spec as the dodgy italian... [more grunt aswell I believe?]


You mean theres a waiting list for these? Lifes mysterys huh. Craptor I say.

ditto........

[FROSTY]

hmmm--ok youve got me--whats wrong with a raptor?
It uses SV650 engine and wiring. Brembo 4 pots and quality upside downers at the front. I think even the rear shock is quality
The hyusung is a cheap copy of the sv with a wooden feeling front end and a harsh rear==Ok I only rode one for about 4km

[cowpoos]

hmmm--ok youve got me--whats wrong with a raptor?
It uses SV650 engine and wiring. Brembo 4 pots and quality upside downers at the front. I think even the rear shock is quality
The hyusung is a cheap copy of the sv with a wooden feeling front end and a harsh rear==Ok I only rode one for about 4km
front upside downers are cheap and not fully adjustable on raptor....raptor makes less power than both sv and hyo bag....parts = $$$
brembo's....thats a fair call....

hyosungs come with full fairings....weight less....make more HP standard....cheap parts.... and you will care less throwing it at a tyre wall or motorcrossing on dirt parts of race tracks that you tell no one else to ride on [P/T] .... lol...

[Hillbilly]

Before you ever think about racing a Hyosung GT650R, here's a little something that you should know:


Missing at high RPM, well first the Hyosung bikes have all suffered
from the Sidestand switch, second from poor grounding (Need to run
extra ground wire to the triple tree and the coils) and now with fuel
starvation caused by the Vacuum shut off valve, loses vacuum at High
RPM (note: has been known to stick open flooding the crankcase with
fuel).

Some have found the tank to vapor lock, I have not been able to verify
or duplicated this one?

Maybe someday someone will issue some service notices on the cures in
English.

Ride safe
Mike on the rock
http://seaies.com/koreabikeparts/koreanparts.html

It'll be interesting to see whether Cagiva/MV Agusta get into the "spirit" of things and make aftermarket parts available for the Raptor 650. Then again, Suzuki might get onto them not to, or they won't supply the motors. The Cagiva will out handle the SV 650. Here are the specs for the Raptor 650:

[MVnut]

Didn't some guy in Chch tell ya to get a Cagiva Frosty heh heh.

[GSVR]

hmmm--ok youve got me--whats wrong with a raptor?
It uses SV650 engine and wiring. Brembo 4 pots and quality upside downers at the front. I think even the rear shock is quality
The hyusung is a cheap copy of the sv with a wooden feeling front end and a harsh rear==Ok I only rode one for about 4km

Cagiva Raptor $14990
Suzuki SV650K6 $10995
Hyosung GT650R $9995
Prices from this months motorcycle trader

Shit for a grand more than the Raptor you can buy a GSXR600K6 or to look at it another way $4000 worth of bits to make the SV better. But its probably faster than the raptor in standard trim.

[motobob]

My bike has a a GSXR frontend just like the one Glen Williams has in his bike now. Can't wait to test it out this Friday at Manfeild. Glen will still kick my arse but not by as much now (less than 2 secs a lap I'll be happy).

By 2008 if Suzuki are still making SV650s I'm sure they will be a much more refined bike and a 3rd generation model.

Yeah They will have the gixxer front end on lol

[GSVR]

Yeah They will have the gixxer front end on lol

Nah more likely to be bored out to 700cc

http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/News/2007_Suzuki.htm

Oh and twin throttle bodies on the fuel injection and twin sparkplugs.

Wouldn't laugh to loud about the USD forks.

[svs]

on the whole, I don't think the rules are too bad.

I've asked for clarification on some points, as if standard really means out the box standard, then the fuel injected SV's from 2003 on are going to have a significant advantage over the older models.

Give the 400's the handling advantage, the bus like SV's will use the grunt out the corners.

I notice that there's now a limit on single cylinder bike too (450cc). That means Barry's Spondon Over would be out, but the Minimono's would still be there.

oh - and raptors and rockets are reknown for making stuff up and photoshopping images

[GSVR]

Am I correct in thinking you can grab a 250GP bike and repower it with any motor. ie Tigcraft with Yamaha motor. And do whatever you want to make the motor produce more power?

[svs]

the minimono use a rs125 chassis and a yamaha 426 single. Although I think jason eastons was bored out - which made it unreliable.

The new rules would limit the motor to 450cc but apart from than - anything goes. I think that's a good F3 bike.

[ben444]

There are company's that make race frames especially for the 450cc motocross engines, and all you do is put your 125 (rs,tz)components on it, supsension wheels etc... Then you've got a real race engine in a real race frame.. They look the dog's bollocks.. would be the ideal F3 bike.

[svs]

although the F3 regs are for production based machines. There has always been some argument as to whether the likes of the tigcraft (http://www.tigcraft.com/) come under that scope

[FROSTY]

front upside downers are cheap and not fully adjustable on raptor....raptor makes less power than both sv and hyo bag....parts = $$$
brembo's....thats a fair call....

hyosungs come with full fairings....weight less....make more HP standard....cheap parts.... and you will care less throwing it at a tyre wall or motorcrossing on dirt parts of race tracks that you tell no one else to ride on [P/T] .... lol...
Yea well er um yasee--ahh forget it poos --youll keep
now the NEW injected rapror is putting out about 1/2 a hp more than the SV
Im sorry guys -I think knickers are getting a real twist about adjustable fronts.
I can see the chests being beaten and all the big men getting upset --but tell me what were the lap times of the 250 proddy guys on tzrs and kr1s
--compare them to current lap times--no fancy suspension there --

[johnsv650]

when is the last cut off date for people to have there say on f3 rule changes?
i saw a standard (motored) sv riden by first year rider catching nz 1 and nz 2 in nz grand prix, with riders skill, and i saw him pass highly developed sv 650 easily.
some people like to have there engineers knowledge to help them lap faster and they have alot of enjoyment and satification and know that in f1 & f2 a bike thats a year or two old isn't worth racing, but in f3 most of the bikes are about 5 years old (kawasaki's some 15 yrs old) and still competive in there class, $15k over 5 or 10 years isn't much compared with a f1 or f2 bike.....
how many people in f3 enjoy developing there bikes spreeding the costs over maybe 5-10 years...
leave a class for a single and a twin and a 4 cylinder to race each other and all to be competitive and for some older(sorry guys) to stay in the sport and enjoy themselves and help the upcoming riders get some knowledge, the younger ones be able to develope from street stock or 125's into f3 before they take on the very best in f1-f2 and get sponsors.

[Quasievil]

when is the last cut off date for people to have there say on f3 rule changes?
i saw a standard (motored) sv riden by first year rider catching nz 1 and nz 2 in nz grand prix, with riders skill, and i saw him pass highly developed sv 650 easily.
some people like to have there engineers knowledge to help them lap faster and they have alot of enjoyment and satification and know that in f1 & f2 a bike thats a year or two old isn't worth racing, but in f3 most of the bikes are about 5 years old (kawasaki's some 15 yrs old) and still competive in there class, $15k over 5 or 10 years isn't much compared with a f1 or f2 bike.....
how many people in f3 enjoy developing there bikes spreeding the costs over maybe 5-10 years...
leave a class for a single and a twin and a 4 cylinder to race each other and all to be competitive and for some older(sorry guys) to stay in the sport and enjoy themselves and help the upcoming riders get some knowledge, the younger ones be able to develope from street stock or 125's into f3 before they take on the very best in f1-f2 and get sponsors.

Im not aware of any bike thats competitive in F3 that isnt a 650?

[Hellraiser]

Question .......

Why don't they just set a BHp limit on the classes dam sight easier to police.

[GSVR]

Im not aware of any bike thats competitive in F3 that isnt a 650?

Not sure if this is a question or not. But if you truely believe this you should get out more or maybe just look at the Nationals results on MyLaps. Andy Bolwells bike has been around Manfield in 1.13.something. I'm not aware of any F3 bike going any faster.

[johnsv650]

terry fitzgerald did win the nz champs on a sv, maybe not fastest on one lap put most reliable quick bike, to win you must first finish?

[roogazza]

Well, we seemed to have reached the end of this thread, the title says new F3 rules or changes.
Time for MNZ to get off there arses and make some sort of decision or is another year about to fly by ? G.

[Shaun]

It say,s New proposed rules, and I think you will find that our commisioner is taking all idea's on board and will be talking with the F3 riders doing the nationals this summer about it all

[FROSTY]

I say BAN THE 400's and the kwakkas and the injected sv's --only allow highly modified carbed SV's to race in F3
---WELL THAT ARGUMENT HAS AS MUCH WEIGHT AS THE WHINGERS ON 400'

[Shaun]

I say BAN THE 400's and the kwakkas and the injected sv's --only allow highly modified carbed SV's to race in F3
---WELL THAT ARGUMENT HAS AS MUCH WEIGHT AS THE WHINGERS ON 400'




Nearly as much weight as you:yes: Now if you do find those balls you have been looking for:dodge: your HP gain will be wasted, dillemas dillemas

[FROSTY]

Nearly as much weight as you:yes: Now if you do find those balls you have been looking for:dodge: your HP gain will be wasted, dillemas dillemas
ITS ONLY THAT FRIGGING HAIRPIN MATE -
I just dont seem to get my braking markers right --either I run off the track or I fricken stop 20m from the corner--arggg
doesnt help not having a damper and gettting slappers coming out

[Quasievil]

Anyone want to buy a ex f3 400 race bike??? useless for F3 but a good trackday bike.

me going to go away and get some moolah for something else

[Cleve]

Anyone want to buy a ex f3 400 race bike??? useless for F3 but a good trackday bike.

me going to go away and get some moolah for something else

It is hard for some to just move with the times...

[Quasievil]

It is hard for some to just move with the times...

Yeah, its a hard one for me personally, I just cant take it anymore:crybaby:

[Shaun]

ITS ONLY THAT FRIGGING HAIRPIN MATE -
I just dont seem to get my braking markers right --either I run off the track or I fricken stop 20m from the corner--arggg
doesnt help not having a damper and gettting slappers coming out



Silly old barstuid, Reference points do not move! Not like your car yard customers anyway

[Shaun]

Yeah, its a hard one for me personally, I just cant take it anymore:crybaby:



Maaaaaaaate, hav I a deal for you:scooter:

[Shaun]

Anyone want to buy a ex f3 400 race bike??? useless for F3 but a good trackday bike.

me going to go away and get some moolah for something else


What ya want for it? I feel a trade coming on here

[Quasievil]

What ya want for it? I feel a trade coming on here

You can have it if you deal is good enough dude, otherwise $3000 would be nice for me
Was thinking F2 but doesnt really matter

[Shaun]

Look in your PM thingy